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[MarioManiac4]

Like the worst part is when I flip everyone's going to think my lynch was justified and it 100% wasn't. For the entire game I played with the sole purpose to lynch the mafia. I didn't care for buddying- SK wins when SK and 1 mafia are alive at endgame, the purpose is to ensure 2 mafia lynches. I never get nightkilled anyway so I don't need to worry about that.

Literally the only thing I did differently was that I didn't care as much as I would've as town was that I didnt care about Mulch.

We can talk this out lategame, Im happy I was correct.

Actually you were objectively incorrect. The reason you scumread me was because the 1v1 was similar to Mulch. Of course it was- that's how I argue with people as either alignment. (You even said you were reading me the same as in previous towngames.)

[MarioManiac4]

EVERY TOWNIE, LISTEN UP!
NO MATTER WHO WAS WRONG OR RIGHT PREVIOUSLY, BUT MM4 ADMITTED THAT HE WILL FLIP SK.

This means that

rb more likely than not, IS MAFIA.

Nothing is ever 100%, remember that, but rb forced his townread so far..

Read rb's comment on Mario being lynched even though he is his biggest townread, yet he was the one who hammered.
The most important thing, is that TO MAFIA, MARIO APPEARED TOWN, by the logic that he isn't in Mafias chat.
This was rb trying to get towncred for a mislynch, but sadly for him, he chose a guy who was the SK.

I might die the following night because of this, but I'm happy to take the bullet.

Or it was Rb not having bad reads

[MarioManiac4]

You want my last reads?
Hang Flavor Leaf.
Hang Paul.
Hang Unabombah.

I thought Una was town for you?

Until he tried to justify scumreading me with "MM4 v FL is similar to MM4 v Mulch"

[MarioManiac4]

like i'm fully aware that fl/paul/una is not a viable team. but they probably had the shittiest reasons for being on me.

[MarioManiac4]

Vedith you just can't fucking read me. Ever. You have NEVER scumread me correctly. Just. stop.

pedit: I don't give a fuck about "my final reads."
Are you going to listen to them
hahhahahahahahAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH


no.

This isn't town you.
This isn't town rb. rb Even said himself that he's playing differently. You are just angry here because I've pinned down 2 scum.

Nice joke. You couldn't tell town!MM4 from a dishevelled ant.

[Game Replacement]

First of all, welcome to MafiaScum. Don't take offence to that I was just joking.

So lets answer these questions.

RB I feel I can have a pretty good read on yes. He has a unique style of play as town and this is different. Even rb said so on this.
Thor, I've had enough games to know that he should be tonights kill. But given this player list, I'm not sure. Knowledge on his play? I've seen enough games/been in enough with him but not really any as of recent.

NTRP is always called scum and pushed. He's an awcward player and I've seen him pushed by scum. Even I've pushed him as scum before.

Dunker I'm not too sure on and Frog might be town here. But yeah I'll work them out later.

We'll see with Leaf and Dunker though.

And no, ask away. \o/

[UnaBombaH]

like i'm fully aware that fl/paul/una is not a viable team. but they probably had the shittiest reasons for being on me.

I honestly had the best one!

[MarioManiac4]

Actually you were objectively incorrect. The reason you scumread me was because the 1v1 was similar to Mulch. Of course it was- that's how I argue with people as either alignment. (You even said you were reading me the same as in previous towngames.)

[MarioManiac4]

Like.
You may have had at least some sort of point if you were referring to a previous game where I was scum and had a 1v1 similar to FL.
But your point is literally 100% reliant on me being scum. Like. Of course there are similarities. That's because I'm the same person. It doesn't mean shit about my alignment.

[rb]

meh

game replacement is just fucking scum rofl

you really can't read me if you think i'm scum here

[Game Replacement]

meh

game replacement is just fucking scum rofl

you really can't read me if you think i'm scum here

Then don't replace out, tomorrow you explain again why you town read Mario and I'll review you.

Even you said you are playing differently. Why should I not scum read you for it?

[Eddie Cane]

does anyone know if Mario usually fakes prs as scum? if not then I'd rather wait and lynch a partner cause he'll prove tonight. otherwise, yeah, I have no objections. he is scummy and novice rolestopper sounds like overthinking a fake

I have never fakeclaimed a power role as scum. Literally.
How the fuck is novice vigilante "overthinking a fake"

and you don't need to yell at me. i didn't lynch you.

[UnaBombaH]

Like.
You may have had at least some sort of point if you were referring to a previous game where I was scum and had a 1v1 similar to FL.
But your point is literally 100% reliant on me being scum. Like. Of course there are similarities. That's because I'm the same person. It doesn't mean shit about my alignment.

I hope you will become my MS-buddy over time, I really like you.

I was 100% sure you were not town when I claimed intent to hammer.
I know you don't like to hear it, and will think I'm full of shit for saying this, but it's the truth.
I hope we will see each other on the other side!

[rb]

meh

game replacement is just fucking scum rofl

you really can't read me if you think i'm scum here

Then don't replace out, tomorrow you explain again why you town read Mario and I'll review you.

Even you said you are playing differently. Why should I not scum read you for it?

yeah because different = scum of course

no, im definitely replacing out

im so absolutely fucking done with playing on this particular account, because this shit just happens on it for whatever reason and it's literally insufferable trying to deal with people who think they know how to read me or w/e

[MarioManiac4]

Oh. I guess you're a gunsmith or rolecop, then. Meh.

[UnaBombaH]

meh

game replacement is just fucking scum rofl

you really can't read me if you think i'm scum here

Then don't replace out, tomorrow you explain again why you town read Mario and I'll review you.

Even you said you are playing differently. Why should I not scum read you for it?

I probably can't read you rb, I have admitted as much in this game already.
I also townread Mario, and that is exactly what he wanted to happen, yet he flips scum (even if not Mafia).

So when I say I think you might be scum, it's me being very bad in reading you, but still I might be right.
Fair? Maybe not to you, if you were to be lynched, but sometimes shit like that happens in this game.

[MarioManiac4]

i was playing to the town wincon to the best of my ability; you'd be correct to townread me

[Thor665]

Got to cut out a lot of minutae as a lynch and claims rolled in, huzzah for me.

i honestly think FL could be scum defending me for towncred

I'm not defending you at all. I'm pushing my scum reads, and I said if you are scum you will become obvious scum/reverse for town.

If you're scum, that is borderline an insult. (no disrespect, though).

You still haven't managed to mumble out *why* you think he'll do this despite being asked multiple times.

@Frog; Do you believe it to be likely Thor and Eddie are a scumteam based on associative or not?

I do not believe it to be likely thor and Eddie are a scumteam based on associative.

There are a lot of ways to deconstruct that statement, however, so I am bracing for some major splitting of hairs

Here is my hair wad.

1. Holy cow that's amazing to hear considering the last time I asked you that direct question I got the opposite answer!
2. So, what changed? I think we look more like buddies since your first answer, as everything I would use to suggest we're not buddies comes from before you said it.

whatever i dont give a fucking shit

VOTE: mariomaniac4

im so sick of trying to carry fucking shit idiot towns

Sort bad play by playing badly - brilliant

this is literally the dumbest fucking lynch i have ever seen on the site

Not even in my top ten
But I'll take this one after your claim.
Kinda sad we didn't get a Dunk kill out of you. Did you shoot SD?

[MarioManiac4]

No; I was Novice, as claimed.

[UnaBombaH]

Oh. I guess you're a gunsmith or rolecop, then. Meh.

Ok, going meta now:

I had to double-check the wiki to make sure, but would a rolecop be able to say you are SK?
(I was reading the wiki a lot when I joined this game, just trying to understand what kind of roles could be present.)

Also from wiki: "Notably, Serial Killers and Doctors do not have guns."

So maybe I just read your interactions better than you would like to admit?

[Thor665]

Interesting, Novice SK?
Thanks for the info though!
I am starting to think it might be possible we just have a very derp scum team.

[Thor665]

There's no question 1-2 scum are on your wagon either, which (as usual) pares with my current reads.
Una is vibing very honest to me right now though, I'll say. He really seems to want you to admit that he had a good read, that sounds like town pride and he's new enough I don't think he'd try to fake that as scum.

[MarioManiac4]

That's not 100% lol.
Also I played pretty much exactly as town and didn't play with any ulterior motive so I guess what you saw wasn't there if you're being sincere \o/

A rolecop wouldn't be able to detect SK, but they would realise I wasn't a Vigilante and was instead Odd-Night Bulletproof (Novice?) so it'd be a pretty damn easy deduction.
SKs don't have guns, but Vigilantes do.

[UnaBombaH]

That's not 100% lol.
Also I played pretty much exactly as town and didn't play with any ulterior motive so I guess what you saw wasn't there if you're being sincere \o/

A rolecop wouldn't be able to detect SK, but they would realise I wasn't a Vigilante and was instead Odd-Night Bulletproof (Novice?) so it'd be a pretty damn easy deduction.
SKs don't have guns, but Vigilantes do.

Ah, makes sense.

It seems you won't let me have this one?

I played poorly and got lucky. OK.

[MarioManiac4]

Eh, you didn't necesserially play poorly, but I think your point was poor on this one. Or at least what you said. I probably couldn't strictly evaluate how good it was if you don't tell me, haha, but unless it was related to me not reaching out to Mulch (there was a certain point where I was like "ok, im sk, if you're going to push bullshit on dice tags i don't care to consider mulch!town") it probably didn't apply.