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Post Post #1725  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:07 am

PP seems to have had no such opportunity but it's not as clear cut as I would have liked so I guess I must go deeper, probably by ISOing the scum
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Post Post #1726  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:32 am


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Post Post #1727  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:34 am

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I could lose to any scumbutt in there
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Post Post #1728  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:35 am

VOTE: PenguinPower

tbh tho just hoping this is as far as we need to go to win.
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Post Post #1729  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:28 am

Well my computer decided to devour a longpost devoted to breaking down Korts/Drixx's interactions and how they related to the current situation so here's what I had

Korts made many posts that were giving guidance to PS (PP) that had things I'd expect to be brought up in scum chat
I feel Korts treatment of Robb in the Robb/Eddie feud is possibly pointing towards discrediting as a motive in those interactions
The situation where Robb replaced out could have gone down with Robb either working it out or just getting super pissed so it's not helpful

So yeah fuck my computer with a cactus. General gist is not much came out of it but from what did I think Robb/Math comes out a bit worse. nancy next I guess?
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Post Post #1730  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:44 am

that turned up nothing, maybe VCA will help
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Post Post #1731  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:40 am

Just realized VCA probably won't work either, blah. Issue is that Eddie and Robb's slot were crossing like the entire game, no matter who it was (except maybe GR who did next to nothing).
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Post Post #1732  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:01 am

So it is up to Gamma or Grendel to be our hero and hammer the likely scum? Who will it be?

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Post Post #1733  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:01 pm

I just realized we probably won't have PP around for most of the day and honestly I don't want to wait so I'ma just drop the hammer. If it's scum great town wins, if it's town and I live I'm going to take one last look at the game, if it's town and I die I'd advise people to not rush LyLo.
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Post Post #1734  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:00 pm

Short day, lads.


Civilization Mafia Mafia:

Votecount 4.70:

PenguinPower (3): Mathblade, Ginngie, Gamma Emerald
Mathblade (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
Grendel (0):
Ginngie (0):

Not Voting: PenguinPower, Grendel

With 7 alive it's 4 to lynch.

The day has begun and will end in DIDNT EVEN HAVE TO DO THIS OR THE REMAINING POSTS SO THEY'RE MEANINGLESS

Spoiler: Remaining Posts:
Drixx: 60
Ginngie: 35
lime in da coconut: 45
Gamma Emerald: 21
Mathblade: 0
Grendel: 43
PenguinPower: 32
Ask yourself, what would Keyser Soze do?

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Post Post #1735  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:01 pm

PenguinPower has been lynched! They were a Vanilla Townie.

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Post Post #1736  (ISO)  » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:34 pm

I am unlocking this but kindly do not post until a day start has been posted.
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Post Post #1737  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:10 pm

Ginngie has died! She was a Vanilla Townie.

Day 5 has begun!
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Post Post #1738  (ISO)  » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:17 pm

Hopefully no one has Ruhr Valley.


Civilization Mafia Mafia:

Votecount 5.70:

Mathblade (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
Grendel (0):

Not Voting: Mathblade, Grendel, Gamma Emerald

With 3 alive it's 2 to lynch.

The day has begun and will end on midnight EST on the 19th.

Spoiler: Remaining Posts:
Gamma Emerald: 70
Mathblade: 70
Grendel: 70
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Post Post #1739  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:28 am

Alright time to effort again I guess
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Post Post #1740  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:11 am

In post 1377, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Interestingly while I was in Civilization mafia, the longest Large Theme, I was also in Open 675, the longest Open. Both games sucked up a ridiculous amount of my time.


Civilization Mafia Mafia:

Votecount 3.56:

Gamma Emerald (4): Mathblade, Ginngie, nancy, lime in da coconut
nancy (1): massive
Mathblade (0):
lime in da coconut (0):
Drixx (0):
Grendel (0):
massive (0):
Ginngie (0):
PenguinPower (0):

Not Voting: Gamma Emerald, Grendel, Drixx, PenguinPower

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch.

The day has begun and will end in (expired on 2017-09-17 23:00:00).

Spoiler: Remaining Posts:
Drixx: 59
Ginngie: 54
lime in da coconut: 62
Gamma Emerald: 45
Mathblade: 23
Grendel: 60
massive: 55
PenguinPower: 70
nancy: 43


Replacements omg!
Prods did go out.



So it comes down to that sequence of posts damn it.

I'll need to review this tomorrow:

Mainly I need to review both Grendel's and Gamma's ISO's around this point.

If Gamma is the last scum then why would Grendel push nancy over Gamma?

And if Grendel is the last scum, why did Grendel immediately scumread nancy instead of Gamma there?

I need to focus on that area again because I don't see how the game didn't end with PP's lynch.

It's 1 am so I'll need to do this later.
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Post Post #1741  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:56 am

In post 1245, MathBlade wrote:Debating if Drixx or Nancy trying to pull my heartstrings too.

Bit curious how these names came up here
fyi I'm going through day 3 finding things I find curious
In post 1258, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1256, Gamma Emerald wrote:Ginngie seems to be claiming watcher in a scenario where one mislynch will win the game for mafia. Let's note that watcher and cop are both powerful investigatives. It's highly unlikely we're seeing both even with the cop having a nerf.


VOTE: GammaEmerald

One of Gamma and/or Ginngie is scum.

One person unclaimed/Ginngie and/or nancy are scum.

Will explain more no lunch break today.

So looking at the info after this the second part seems informed by Ginngie's information. What about the first part? afaict it seems based on me having inferred Ginngie was a watcher-type role, but why does it result in that dichotomy?
Also I might look to the final Titus wagon because I get the feeling the VCs are giving me another hint (the first one being to be wary of OMGUS)
In post 1279, nancy wrote:Gamma when you get back I'd really like it if you could go over your Grendel/Korts/Eddie reads for me because those are the ones I understand least from you; I have some pretty specific concerns there but I'd like it if you ran me through what each of your reads there is / how you got there before I go into more detail on that. If you think the flips have affected your read at all I'd like it if you talked about that / why too.

Yaknow this post gives me the feeling that nancy is trying to talk me out of certain reads

Think that's all the notes I have for now but I might have fucked up a bit by ISOing nancy a fuckton, will go back to d2 lynch wagon and look for clues
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Post Post #1742  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:59 am

In post 1236, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Not quoting anything specifically because I'd rather not dredge up memories, but the Titus/Mathblade conflict was so obviously town that it was shocking that people scumread it. How far did they really think that the Titus siblings would go to towntell over something like that?


Civilization Mafia Mafia:

Votecount 2.50:

Titus (6): Gamma Emerald, nancy, Ginngie, Tchill13, Mathblade, humaneatingmonkey
humaneatingmonkey (3): Dark Horse, Grendel, Drixx
Tchill13 (2): massive, Game Replacement
Mathblade (0):
Game Replacement (0):
nancy (0):
Drixx (0):
Grendel (0):
massive (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
Ginngie (0):
Dark Horse (0):

Not Voting: Titus

With 12 alive it's 7 to lynch.

The deadline has once again been reset to just below 48 hours.
The day has begun and will end in (expired on 2017-09-01 23:00:00).


Spoiler: Remaining Posts:
Drixx: 50
Ginngie: 43
humaneatingmonkey: 35
Game Replacement: 61
Gamma Emerald: 9
Mathblade: 2
Grendel: 54
massive: 58
Dark Horse: 50
Titus: 71
nancy: 63
Tchill13: 35


No one went over! Yay!
Also, holy crap making votecounts takes so long with all the added baggage for the vote restriction thing.

So my theory is that like in Civ, the mafia were pushing Titus to keep monkey alive as a possible vig. That means if I'm right Math should be the last one. However Drixx is off so I'm going to look at context of votes here to finalize whether this theory is accurate.
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Post Post #1743  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:34 pm

Yesterday I would have said that Math is scum. Not too positive anymore.

I was thinking about coming into today but Lime was a weird kill for scum!Math to make. Gingie kill before lylo is given in most instances because she was top town read. Coming in from Math's pov that leave Me/Gamma/Lime. With Gamma and I having stronger scum reads on Math then Lime, and having a good rapport between us I'd think that killing one of us would take priority over Lime. Like not breaking up two mutual town reads is suicide going into lylo, and Math is experienced enough to know this.

Gamma!scum would mean though that Gamma has been seriously out playing me up to this point. I don't want to sound snobbish but I consider myself pretty good at reading Gamma these days. I guess I need to discard meta while I review Gamma. Is it even possible to review a slot you have outside experience with without being bias?

This is going to be a challenging lylo.
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Post Post #1744  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:50 pm

In post 1386, massive wrote:
In post 1382, Grendel wrote:I have another question, do you believe that nancy isn't really a pr?

I believe that nancy isn't a TOWN PR.


In post 1387, Gamma Emerald wrote:After getting current from last time I'm feeling a bit uneasy with massive rn. He doesn't seem to be looking at things through a normal scope, specifically the Ginngie gambit. It feels like he's spinning things or completely misinterpreting the point of the gambit.
Also real talk I'm kinda not to engaged rn but I'm going to try and keep active.
Also 3 days and I'm the lead wagon O_O I'll put a vote down later hopefully but I'm just going to state that people should take an honest look at that and think "why would a player be so unopposed near deadline?"


In post 1397, MathBlade wrote:So Gamma and Massive like I said yippie.

At work. The CC can wait.

I highly doubt the role madness anyway just saying.


In post 1404, MathBlade wrote:...wow

Massive obvScum says "I am a PR"

After nancy likely being honest to Ginngie's gambit/post/...whatever word you want to use.

People were circling around Massive so Massive was likely to go down.

He is clearly is scum.

Like why would you want nancy to claim when she is prob Town?

And there is nothing that says how many PRs are allowed in a game?


I could see Gamma!Scum missing Massive softing that he is a power role due to Gamma's low investment in the game at that point in time. I also am not crazy about Gamma comment on his status as the only true wagon D3 by 1387. At this point in my mafia career I see that more from scum on their last leg then town.

I think Math scum would have noticed that Massive was softing before the actual claim (regardless what they said in thread p), and probably would have adjusted their play so as to not throw shade at the soon to be night killed pr. However I do think that Math would have continued to push Gamma in the manner that they did. Once it was clear that Massive was counter claiming nancy Math would realize that bussing nancy wouldn't net any town cerd and sticking to Gamma would be in their best interest.

After reviewing the interactions after vote count I don't feel much closer to a strong decision. I guess that Gamma's is a more realistic scum reaction. I wish I had another game or two with Math before now so I would better now how to read their reactions these these sorts of things as scum.
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Post Post #1745  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:57 pm

In post 1638, MathBlade wrote:Mainly it is a divided pair.

Either you and Grendel or Drixx and PP.

Mainly you if Town I can't figure out why you wouldn't be hammered if Town.

And if you are scum because of that then the only partner that makes sense is Grendel.

However PP is not following his Town meta and it feels like he is being forced to decide between bussing or me.

I don't see worlds with Ginngie or Lime scum.


Uggh wait, maybe if Math thought that Lime was as OBtown town as Gingie then they would shoot Lime even if Me/Gamma are actually better kills?

In post 1636, MathBlade wrote:IF you mean leave a lasting impression yes.

Drixx and PP final answer or Gamma + Grendel.

Those are the only two teams.

And if I am wrong well played scum.


Plus Math would always want to shoot outside of the mutually exclusive relationships. So that's just Lime/Gingie.
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Post Post #1746  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:29 pm

In post 1628, PenguinPower wrote:Ha! I missed that. Lime is trying to meta read me too. That's hilarious.

Math/Lime is not a thing most likely.

VOTE: Mathblade

Hate the above post. L-1 and things.


Okay, I thought I remembered this last night but didn't have time to check until now. to this Math blade was at L-1 for a couple irl days on D4. Wagon composition was: (Gingie, Gamma, Pengiun), but it wasn't recorded in ether vote count because the votes moved before vote count 4.64.

The pressure quickly went from there to Drixx/Pengiun. With Drixx ultimately getting lynched. If Gamma was scum he couldn't have hammered Math because he was already on the wagon. Which in turn would explain why if town Math wasn't hammered at that point. We don't know if Drixx was avlibabe to hammer Math, but his last post was directly after vote count 4.63, and there is nothing to show that he was around when Math was Wagoned to L-1.

Nothing on these pages expressly points towards Math being scum in retrospect. I generally would expect a player like Math to handle things better then jumping from Gamma to Penguin then awkwardly onto Drixx. Considering that the bus doesn't get Math town cred I don't see why Math bothers here.
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Post Post #1747  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:36 pm

I once played a game with scum Math and imeadatley after bragging about they strong bussing they decided to be resolutely anti-bus in thier pt for the rest of the game. Math made some remarks on their bussing this game, idk if that would impact things at all.

@Math

If my assumptions about how you bus are wrong or have notiable exceptions please explan and link some games.

If I had more time I'd try to a little meta diving on my own but... you know... time.

I guess if Gamma has some good examples of games he played with scum!Math now would be a good time to bring those up too.
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Post Post #1748  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:51 pm

One last thing before I run for the day.

@Math

In post 1381, MathBlade wrote:He's scummy as fuck trying to buddy me felt weird and never recovered.

Reactions to PR claims are not Town Gamma.

He feels wrong

#caseBeforeDriving


Where was Gamma buddying you?

I don't recall that happening.
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Post Post #1749  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:29 pm

In post 1196, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm current, and DAMN that's a lot of people from Civ.
In post 1188, Game Replacement wrote:VOTE: Chilly

Why do you think this is a good vote? Do you know what he claimed?
@Math I'm looking forward to working with you. However, I think that monkey post is dumb but not scum.

In post 1200, Gamma Emerald wrote:@Math monkey claimed PR.

In post 1203, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1202, MathBlade wrote:
In post 666, humaneatingmonkey wrote:How much time do you have? Go read the thread again because I'm a town PR role.


So? Role madness normals and scum can have PRs.

If every person claimed PR would you lynch yourself as the only unclaimed player?

I am not claiming PR and not claiming not PR. Your second defense of Monkey is noted.

@Tchill I would add Gamma to the mix. We should be lynching one of Titus and Monkey and don't want to telegraph to scum who you're shooting.

:igmeou:
Why don't you just let him vig from HIS reads for now. Leashing isn't a "do this always" thing.

In post 1206, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also, the way monkey claimed PR is fairly natural so I think it's real.
Plus, you seem to be implying you scumread me. Why is that? If not, why suggest me?

In post 1265, Gamma Emerald wrote:Honestly I'm kinda shaken up now. Ginngie might actually be my top scumread for now. Still townread you and GR, but I'm feeling doubtful on Math.


The start of the game for example Grendel.
Also in regards to the Titus lynch.
Mdespite having me as a top scumread Gamma finds a way to agree with me.

When I replace into a game there is usually an invisible groan I hear in my head and I look super close at people who agree with me: Gamma only started suspecting me when I suspected Gamma.

Now look at the wagon on me compared to Drixx. I am experienced scum. And as such I would not have voted Drixx at all there I would have let things linger until Drixx and I could stage a fight until no one would have believed we were together. The fact I was so early on the wagon RC forgot my vote first time around and I had to tell him should explain it.


I have to get back to work but I will respond to rest of questions later tonight but I am thinking trust my gut that Gamma is the scum right now. I want to do end to end analysis of all VCA late tonight.
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