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[Thor665]

What happened to your firm belief Taco is scum? How has his play today changed your mind on that because that seems to have been where your head was yesterday and at the beginning of today.

His play today has been utterly atrocious, as I'm sure you're aware.
I, like I presume you, have cleared him more on the revelation that Mulch was scum and his interactions with that slot.

Whereas now you see a win being assured with a me lynch followed by a Tor lynch. If I am mislynched today (I am town btw) why would you assume Tor was here tomorrow TO lynch? smh…. Apparently you are not in the Tor is the guaranteed NK camp that Tor is spouting.

No, I am not in that camp.

1. If Tor’s less likely scum…why is he your forecast lynch for tomorrow if/when I am mislynched?

2. We agree…I speak the truth.

3. So mildly townreading = 2nd most suspect player in the game FYPOV?

1. Because I find him more likely scum than the other slots.
3. Yes, I don't get why that is confusing - if I townread all the slots except yours, then my second highest scumread will also be a townread.

[Sergtacos]

homecoming was lit af

[Sergtacos]

I'll catch up tonight.

[havingfitz]

I, like I presume you, have cleared him more on the revelation that Mulch was scum and his interactions with that slot.

Doesn't seem Mulch's alignment mattered eaely this day when you made these comments:

I pretty much just want to vote Tacos.

Why aren't you guys trying to dig for information?

What information do you think I should be digging for?
Literally the only thing stopping me from voting you right now is that I'd like to see fitz offer up some thoughts.
That's all I've got.

[Thor665]

I, like I presume you, have cleared him more on the revelation that Mulch was scum and his interactions with that slot.

Doesn't seem Mulch's alignment mattered eaely this day when you made these comments:

I pretty much just want to vote Tacos.

Why aren't you guys trying to dig for information?

What information do you think I should be digging for?
Literally the only thing stopping me from voting you right now is that I'd like to see fitz offer up some thoughts.
That's all I've got.

Okay.
Is your complaint that I changed my mind, or that I didn't change my mind on a given timeline?

[havingfitz]

Pointing out what I see as an inconsistency in what you are saying in vase my game ends today and you're still here tomorrow. Which since Tor is guaranteed to be the nk (/ssrcasm) seems highly likely.

[havingfitz]

Fcuk!

In CASE!
/SARCASM

[Toranaga]

I never said I was guaranteed NK or anything fwiw

chip butty was saying that while voting me, I was just mocking his 'logic'

[Toranaga]

in my last -version- of who the last scum player is, I really do think it's havingfitz. this is the case against him. making it short, comprehensive and to the point.

1) misère was a scummy slot

misère made 5 posts on d1. most of them are well crafted, logic heavy, mostly NAI posts. Superficially, there are two major traits in misère's posting that when combined, are scum indicative: her

low postcount

and her

logic-heavy walls of text

. Misère was the only slot in d1 that did not interact with anyone. She appeared, made her reads and left. While low participation isn't always a scum tell, the fact that all of her posts were hard crafted on top of it is. for a slot as UTR as misère was, I see this as

fake work

. Trying to appear towny by pretending to solve the game when her actual interest in doing so was quite low.

Looking into her posting, there is suspicious alignment-indicative behaviour. For brevity purpose, I'll go over the strongest one.

the mariaR vote:

Belated prodge.

I'll be busy this weekend but I'll try to find time to continue catching up.

Actually, I like the Maria wagon (though I wouldn't mind a Serg wagon either).

VOTE: MariaR

MariaR had 4 votes on her at the time. it takes 7 to lynch on d1. Misère comes in the thread having made only 3 posts in the entire gameday and not posting for 2 days, leaves a vote on her and leaves.

The

timing

is scummy: the scum motivation is clear as the vote helps getting town lynched; the slot wasn't here for 2 entire days before that vote and didn't show up anymore, neither did misère show any signs of trying to determine alignments.

The

phrasing

is scummy. "Actually, I like the Maria wagon" reads insincere. "Actually" isn't referring to anything new, contradictory or unexpected from misère, so it doesn't belong in the phrase. "I wouldn't mind a Serg wagon either" is a very self aware comment as she was pushing tacos hard and is now voting someone that isn't tacos.

next post I'm briefly analysing fitz' play this game, and then I'll finish with spew from scum.

[Aristophanes]

When was the last VC???

The answer is "Too long ago, Ari!"

So, I'm on it

[Aristophanes]

VC 5.6

---

Lynching

Toranaga

(2): Chip Butty, havingfitz

-- L-1

havingfitz

(2): Thor665, Toranaga

-- L-1

Thor665

(1): Sergtacos

Not Voting

(0): Nobody

once told me the Mod was gonna troll me...

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch

The day 5 deadline is in

: (expired on 2017-10-25 22:00:00)

Mod Notes

: Keep it fun!

[Sergtacos]

Ok uh two of my lock town are L-1.

[Sergtacos]

fuck it, i'll flip a coin.

Tor= Heads
Fitz= Tails

[Toranaga]

2) havingfitz is scummy

Superficially, there's nothing too bad about fitz. he is interacting and doing work. The biggest problems I have are his interactions with mulch on f9, playing it safe throughout the game and how his reads (did not) develop at f5. you guys are reading his f5 posts so I won't bother with it, and 'playing it safe' is easy to draw by reading what and who he is pushing. so the important stuff:

the f9 mulch interactions

Part of it I'd leave to the scum spew, but this is important: The most bollock mulch push this entire game was scum reading fitz for not unvoting porkens, other than a push mulch made on d1 against misère. I believe the weakness of the push is more indicative of scum hard distancing than scum pushing for a mislynch.

The push: Porkens says that fitz replaced d1 and wanted to live through the night. This did not happen. Fitz calls it a "lie and a fabrication" and votes Porkens. Porkens retracts in the next post, saying "hm, I misread", and unvotes Fitz. Fitz posts once more and in comes Mulch:

Why are you still voting Porkens over the lie if they retracted it and said they made a mistake? Do you think they would be more likely to make this mistake as scum because they have an opportunistic mindset, or what's the deal?

feels like a bad reason to push someone when they made one post after voting porkens lol

the argument goes on in that page.

I don't love their other interactions either, and seem really fake from both sides. Like when mulch goes "Man I would be salty if the misere slot is town." and fitz replies "Hello salty." or when fitz, in his third post no less, responds to HEM scumreading him with "Did you attend the Mulch school of scumhunting?".

More importantly: Fitz is hard scumreading Mulch from the very beginning of f9, going as far as saying "More votes for crap case scum fruit vendor please" early-ish into it. at some point in f9 unvotes Mulch, and the reasoning is odd:

Point is...I have my doubts on the Toranga slot but I feel that will sort itself out tonight. I believe Mulch is a Fruit Vendor so the only thing is his alignment. As much as I hate to say it...I don't scum having two PRs against a gunsmith/cop/and tracker and have one of those PR's be a fruit vendor.

UNVOTE: pfffffffft

where did fitz take that scum would have 2 PRs? skitter was goon.
why wouldn't scum have 2 PRs and one be a fruit vendor?
why does he 'hate to say it'?

the whole thing here is odd and feels disingenuous.

[Toranaga]

fuck it, i'll flip a coin.

Tor= Heads
Fitz= Tails

LOL fucking tacos

lynch fitz at f3 if it flips heads actually

[Sergtacos]

fuck it, i'll flip a coin.

Tor= Heads
Fitz= Tails

The result is.....

Spoiler:

[Toranaga]

ok so briefly onto scum spew:

mulch pushing misère for 'pocketing' him feels more like something scum would say about scum for distancing instead of an actual push, especially since the last relevant thing about misère posting was her agreeing with mulch points.

skitter never had any reason as scum to townread the misère slot if misère was town. that was an easy lynch for scum and she choose not to take it.

ok hammer away

[Toranaga]

read my shit and vote someone already tacos

my asshole is ready

[Sergtacos]

Still catching up

[Toranaga]

OH ONE IMPORTANT DETAIL I FORGOT

at f9 mulch was trying to wagon and lynch fitz, right.

he was saying something very funny at that point. I didn't understand how to read into it but I think I know now:

Mulch was voting fitz and fitz was at L-2. he was asking someone to vote fitz, then he'd unvote, then someone would vote and mulch would hammer. I think mulch was going for a fake hammer the same way he did at F-7, to try and get fitz 'spewed' town. I see no other reason why mulch was talking about unvoting and then hammering fitz at F9.
^ consider this for your f3.

[Toranaga]

Right now it's L-2---- Mulch, Tor, Pork.


If we get another vote to L-1---Mulch, Tor, Pork, X--- I will unvote, and then when we get to another L-1 vote I will immediately hammer.

^

[Toranaga]

tacos if you're voting me do it quick cause I have important stuff to say that I can only say after I'm dead

[Sergtacos]

tacos if you're voting me do it quick cause I have important stuff to say that I can only say after I'm dead

like what?

[Toranaga]

I need to die first

[Toranaga]

don't get curious LOL

can't even say it if fitz gets lynched and flips town