eh I actually have no problems with this postIn post 115, Misère wrote:I don't know if I dislike this more for the scumread or for the bizarre appeal to my ego. This is not a hard read to get if you actually look at humaneatingmonkey's posts. Overall I don't scumread you though, it's just this one post that bothers me.In post 98, Toranaga wrote:this is a great read on monkey and I agree with it. this is such a good post I wonder if you got there from a perspective of actually knowing he is town.In post 95, Misère wrote:I think humaneatingmonkey is town for taking an unpopular (because wrong, but still) stance w.r.t. WhyMafia's claim, and refusing to soften it under pressure. If he were scum hiding behind policy I would expect him to just say "oh, good point" and back down when everyone disagrees with him.
Incidentally, can you link to where it is you normally play?
Havohas just fluffed his way through so far. His first post is chatter, his second post is chatter, his third post is IIoA, and his fourth post is parroting the town consensus on WhyMafia. I don't like this slot.
MariaRis pretty bad too; her ISO consists mostly of excuses for not having reads and expressing surprise that anyone else does. I am pretty sure she has played on this site before, so there is nothing to be surprised about and this comes off disingenuous. There is something especially troublesome about 107:Maria could not really have meant this in 103 since she didn't know where Toranaga had played previously or what sort of format it was.In post 107, MariaR wrote:Pedit: I didn't mean worrying as in "wow you're scummy" I meant it in townreading people so easy isn't good at least in my mind because everyone has time to type out posts and plan and where your from that isn't really a thing. I know you just talked about your reads but more detail would be nice.
skitter30's replace-in has unfortunately robbed us of the chance to look at Robbnva's progression on WhyMafia. If Robb himself had reversed his position when the town consensus formed, that would be suspicious. Instead he transformed into a different person who has the opposite opinion on WhyMafia, and it's impossible to do anything with that. Frustrating.
As forWhyMafiahimself, I am comfortable with giving him the benefit of the doubt. I am not comfortable with saying that claiming makes him town. I would like to see him actually offer some analysis of other slots instead of just talking about himself, now that it's obvious he's in no immediate danger of being lynched.
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That's weak if you can't describe it in one sentence you're wasting everyone's time.In post 539, Sergtacos wrote:Read his ISO and my case on him?
I had Robb on my lean town list until Skitter replaced in, yeah skitter looked scummy but I still need more posts from him to analyze. Skitter is on my lean scum list while Mulch and Chip is on my strong scum list.
Why did Robb lean town to you exactly?
I addressed your odd tunnel of believing this - why aren't you addressing me on my thoughts?In post 561, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Tornaga, if you read what he paraphrased the utility of his role, it doesn't make sense with the miller claim. The miller returns as a mafia, while the loyal cop only tells who doesn't belong to the alignment. The miller belongs to this alignment anyway, so normal cop would have been more than okay. I don't think the setup would have been approved otherwise but I'm in no authority to say that. Just that it's not logical.
Your thoughts aren't particularly logical, yet you keep acting like they are so why not at least counter my thoughts instead of ignoring them?
The Skitter case is the post Mulch pointed out paired with the wagon on Havo being filled with and on slots I otherwise townread more. Seriously, you think 0 scum voted in that one? *especially* if Havo is town but even if he's scum? Nah.In post 586, Chip Butty wrote:Okay, have read through the new stuff.
@Thor: you are pushing a skitter lynch quite hard. Could you please summarise the case against him, as you see it?
That Chip otherwise looks townish even if he's pushing bad logic, also he doubled down on the bad logic while you sat back and let other people push the agenda while keeping your hands clean.In post 591, skitter30 wrote:@Thor/Mulch:
What's the difference between 154 and this:
In post 278, Chip Butty wrote:See, the thing for me isn't just the lack of reads, it's that you don't seem to be interested at all in asking people questions about their posts or scumhunting in general. Your focus seems to be entirely on the votes on you and how unfair it all is, and that seems scummy to me. After 250+ votes, are you really saying you've seen nothing worth following up on?
Your Skitter read is out of nowhere and I strongly disagree. After watching your weak case on Misere I am almost scared to ask but...what was in Skitter's posts that looked town to you?In post 600, Toranaga wrote:pro town move my ASS!
ehhh I kinda like skitter too lol
can we just lynch misere please
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@ChipIn post 626, Thor665 wrote:The Skitter case is the post Mulch pointed out paired with the wagon on Havo being filled with and on slots I otherwise townread more. Seriously, you think 0 scum voted in that one? *especially* if Havo is town but even if he's scum? Nah.- Chip Butty
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Yeah, it seems a bit thin. I don't think #154 was all that bad, since i was thinking the same thing. As for the Hava bw thing i think I'll delay judgement and see if he makes it through the night. Besides, i liked my interaction with Skitter recently, even when she was voting me. It kind of felt honest. Not buying, at this point in time.In post 630, Thor665 wrote:
@ChipIn post 626, Thor665 wrote:The Skitter case is the post Mulch pointed out paired with the wagon on Havo being filled with and on slots I otherwise townread more. Seriously, you think 0 scum voted in that one? *especially* if Havo is town but even if he's scum? Nah.- Sergtacos
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Out of everything to catch up with by only having 2 posts, you decided to post this? Scum alert. Welcome to my strong scum list. (I'm still catching up, just woke up) then I'll vote.In post 617, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Will wait for a votecount before voting the largest wagon.
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Your next post after "why no lynch after 25 pages"
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In post 54, Robbnva wrote:Pm'd the mod. Game is over. Game mod didn't update the gameIn post 34, Robbnva wrote:1. Meta is garbage
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Rob doesn't want to base meta for his reads because they can throw people off. However the last sentence gave me a feeling that he might try and see some points of a strong argument that involves meta, however Mulch's argument with meta was weak to Rob because he said that mulch only seen whymafia one game, however Mulch said there's more? thats not the point anyway, he doesn't want to rely on meta, and if its meta, it better be a damn good connection.In post 635, Sergtacos wrote:
Thor, to answer why I think Rob is lean town, this is one good post. It indicates that Rob was investigating into Mulch's game to see some meta, even though Rob believes that meta is garbage it still can be at use. I have been in a few games on this site and I think I have seen one or two games where someone posted their old games and someone would comment on that and investigate on it, and turned out town. I don't think the scums would investigate because it would be a waste of time? Just based on what I have seen, towns investigate old games.In post 54, Robbnva wrote:Pm'd the mod. Game is over. Game mod didn't update the game
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Thor, to answer why I think Rob is lean town, this is one good post. It indicates that Rob was investigating into Mulch's game to see some meta, even though Rob believes that meta is garbage it still can be at use. I have been in a few games on this site and I think I have seen one or two games where someone posted their old games and someone would comment on that and investigate on it, and turned out town. I don't think the scums would investigate because it would be a waste of time? Just based on what I have seen, towns investigate old games.In post 636, Sergtacos wrote:In post 635, Sergtacos wrote:
In post 54, Robbnva wrote:
Pm'd the mod. Game is over. Game mod didn't update the game
Thor, to answer why I think Rob is lean town, this is one good post. It indicates that Rob was investigating into Mulch's game to see some meta, even though Rob believes that meta is garbage it still can be at use. I have been in a few games on this site and I think I have seen one or two games where someone posted their old games and someone would comment on that and investigate on it, and turned out town. I don't think the scums would investigate because it would be a waste of time? Just based on what I have seen, towns investigate old games.
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What's so thin about it?In post 631, Chip Butty wrote:
Yeah, it seems a bit thin. I don't think #154 was all that bad, since i was thinking the same thing. As for the Hava bw thing i think I'll delay judgement and see if he makes it through the night. Besides, i liked my interaction with Skitter recently, even when she was voting me. It kind of felt honest. Not buying, at this point in time.In post 630, Thor665 wrote:
@ChipIn post 626, Thor665 wrote:The Skitter case is the post Mulch pointed out paired with the wagon on Havo being filled with and on slots I otherwise townread more. Seriously, you think 0 scum voted in that one? *especially* if Havo is town but even if he's scum? Nah.
There was a wagon up to L-1.
With the current claims we have it's pretty safe to assume Havo is town, and even if you think he's scum he was probably bussed.
So who is the most likely scum on that wagon in your opinion and why?
You and I look at that post and see opposite things.In post 636, Sergtacos wrote:Thor, to answer why I think Rob is lean town, this is one good post. It indicates that Rob was investigating into Mulch's game to see some meta, even though Rob believes that meta is garbage it still can be at use. I have been in a few games on this site and I think I have seen one or two games where someone posted their old games and someone would comment on that and investigate on it, and turned out town. I don't think the scums would investigate because it would be a waste of time? Just based on what I have seen, towns investigate old games.
Yeah, we can tell he clicked on the link - but by him claiming the game was still active (which means he didn't actually do anything than glance at the title and *certainly* didn't look at the last few pages, it shows he didn't read it at all.
Which means he wasn't actually doing investigation - he was just looking for an excuse to attack Mulch's stance.
So why does that town ping you?
It scum pings to me.
He calls Mulch's meta case garbage (without understanding it or doing any research).In post 636, Sergtacos wrote:Rob doesn't want to base meta for his reads because they can throw people off. However the last sentence gave me a feeling that he might try and see some points of a strong argument that involves meta, however Mulch's argument with meta was weak to Rob because he said that mulch only seen whymafia one game, however Mulch said there's more? thats not the point anyway, he doesn't want to rely on meta, and if its meta, it better be a damn good connection.
He then even tries to weaken it further by claiming that 'meh, only one game' somehow weakens an already weak read further (without actually doing much analysis of Mulch's general experience with WhyMafia.
In other words, he's taking a lot of effort to attack someone town reading someone else.
That's more likely to come from scum than town in my opinion, and even if you generally disagree it's hardly an impressive town tell and is assuredly not showing any open mindedness from Robb's part (who was even claiming Millers are so rare Why *must* be scum because...rare!).- MariaR
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UNVOTE: Havo
I read ahead just enough to see that Havo finally hard-claimed. In the absence of a second cop claim I have to at least provisionally accept him as town.
@MODSpeaking entirely hypothetically, if a Loyal Cop were to target a Town Miller, what sort of result would they get? (Specifically, would it be identical to the result for targeting a Mafia Goon?)
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In post 641, Misère wrote:@MOD Speaking entirely hypothetically, if a Loyal Cop were to target a Town Miller, what sort of result would they get? (Specifically, would it be identical to the result for targeting a Mafia Goon?)Hypothetically a loyal cop's action will only work if he targets town players. A town miller yields a guilty result even for the loyal cop. Loyal cops get no results on mafia, serial killers, ascetics (either faction), and when they are roleblocked by any means.♫ Where words fail, music speaks ♫- WhyMafia
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@humaneatingmonkeyIn post 626, Thor665 wrote:
I addressed your odd tunnel of believing this - why aren't you addressing me on my thoughts?In post 561, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Tornaga, if you read what he paraphrased the utility of his role, it doesn't make sense with the miller claim. The miller returns as a mafia, while the loyal cop only tells who doesn't belong to the alignment. The miller belongs to this alignment anyway, so normal cop would have been more than okay. I don't think the setup would have been approved otherwise but I'm in no authority to say that. Just that it's not logical.
Your thoughts aren't particularly logical, yet you keep acting like they are so why not at least counter my thoughts instead of ignoring them?
I'm pretty sure people talking to each other and discussing thoughts is half the game.
Not really.
He isn't overawing me with town vibes, but he's assuredly not in my top three scum thoughts either.
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