Still need more posts from him though. Not enough to analyze with him, which is why I don't have a read on him.In post 608, Chip Butty wrote:Fykus: on the low-volume side but not lurking. Meh-ish. Lean town.
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Come again, how come Tor is scum? Did i miss something?In post 613, skitter30 wrote:@Chip:
I don't love the scumreads on Havo, cuz I think he's frustrated!town.
I think that pre-flips are dangerous, so I dunno that's a great reason for Serg to be there, especially since your other reason is cuz he was annoying you lol. I'm townleaning Serg, but I agree with you on Tor. I don't feel like I have enough info to see if Thor/Tor fit together yet.
Also, I think the miller-loyal cop interaction is hilarious.
I think I want this more.
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So apparently i need to ISO read everyone.In post 616, Chip Butty wrote:@Tora: you've voted misere twice without reasons and included him in a possible ST. what's with the hardon?- Sergtacos
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Looks like I'm looking for a reason? Hm apparently you didn't really read the posts carefully. I gave my reasons why Mulch could be scum. I made a strong case against him yet you disagree, why because I'm looking for a reason? The reason is in the posts, he tried to get Havo to hardclaim, which typically town doesn't do that because they don't want their god damn power role support players be killed. How is this hard to understand? I swear you people are dumb for wanting to get a hard claim in D1, fucking D1. A COP. We're gonna lose a fucking cop N1. How do you guys feel about that? Think about it, jesus christ.In post 641, Misère wrote:UNVOTE: Havo
I read ahead just enough to see that Havo finally hard-claimed. In the absence of a second cop claim I have to at least provisionally accept him as town.
@MODSpeaking entirely hypothetically, if a Loyal Cop were to target a Town Miller, what sort of result would they get? (Specifically, would it be identical to the result for targeting a Mafia Goon?)
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wtf is this shit?
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That, my good sir, is a vote.
Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.- Chip Butty
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If you don't start delivering on these promises you keep making, I'm gonna start calling you 'Gonna'...In post 705, Toranaga wrote:you guys should stop calling me 'tor' when there's someone called 'thor' playing
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I'll do a page by page (page = 100 posts) recap and then find scum and lynch it maybe. I do understand the disappointment you guys have in me and the scumreads and the votes. but I have been pretty townie, you just have to understand I come from such a different community from this there might be some actual culture clash going on... like buddying accusations etc.
now let's start with this from whymafia right after he claims:
I find the phrasing here very townie with adding the 'YOLO' and all. I think scum would be a little stiff doing this kind of complicated FPS play.
Mulch immediately reacts with a hard town lean, which is understandable with their meta together...
I like 14 from Mulch. From the perspective of me being town, I'm not sure scum would ask town that as often as town asking someone they don't know the allignment. 19 from humaneatingmonkey is not how I'd expect scum to react to a miller claim + a town read on that miller claim, in any scenario where one, both or none of either Mulch or WM are scum. 20 is equally townie, especially his 'predictions'. This is a guy already thinking way too much and way too hard about the game.
21 from BBB is how I'd expect scum to react to someone pushing the WM miller claim if the miller claim is true. Because scum has TMI on WM and would know he is a villager hardclaiming. pushing that as scum can be very awkward, but pushing the people pushing the claim is easier.
Lots of NAI stuff from robbvna, humaneatingmonkey still hard thinking and very very townie. on 34robbvna is starting to actually look a little stiff, after asking why the miller claim is being townread and doing some mechanical posting. Wants to provide me with examples of miller claims done by scum, doesn't follow up with giving any. really wants to lynch WM harder than humaneatingmonkey, who seems to have a much more nuanced perspective in the whole thing. I'm starting to find this stuff a little uncharacteristic of town. let's see how that slot develops.
alright so 50 posts in I have WM and monkey very villagery, Mulch kinda villagery and robbvna maybe a little scummy. I'll stop commenting on monkey's posts because they're all very villagery.
post 55 from Mulch is actually a little >rand scum, like the type of post scum will make that he thinks will make him look villagery because throwing suspicion is effective, but comes off sounding a little too much to me. I will say people always think I'm pocketing every game I play because of how much I appreciate posting etc, but it's just me loving mafia and it's really NAI
62 and 63 are very townie of WM and how I'd expect a town miller to react to pressure here. It's not his fault he is miller, so he won't spend much time defending himself. instead, he is already reading into the pressure he is getting, already suspicious of robbvna's posting, and pointing out good stuff about robbvna posting that seems off already.
good to see my p1 reads were similar when reacting in real time, although now I'm a lot more suspicious of robbvna.
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I'm starting to think I might be doing this re-read from a conf bias standpoint because now I think havo's posting is actually townie. starting with this, even:
it's actually pretty bad that I was scumreading this post before. this is a good, townie post, and once you are reading the game from the first post up to this, I can definitely see how Havo went on to find out more about what the miller is and can't really decide on a position because he has no experience with miller. I also like his thoughts on it on resolving on lylo being terrible, but thinking scum wouldn't do this d1. I'm way more comfortable with this post on re-read. I was reading too hard on havo staying on the fence, but this is clearly all very logical from his standpoint as town.In post 72, Havo wrote:I have zero experience with a Miller best I can remember. The site I used to play at never used them that I recall.
So Wiki says they are a negative role and usually used to counter or lessen the power of the town cop. And the correct play is to claim early although it's debatable.
And I think a good argument has been made by both sides or at least I can see both sides.
I would hate to have to resolve the slot in LyLo tho. But my gut says scum wouldn't do this on D1.
As the Wiki says the claim usually gets lynched or night killed anyway. Or maybe that was one of you guys that said it.
76 and 77 from robbvna isn't good. I think he is standing too firm on his position wrt the miller claim, and a 2010 account should not have this perspective at all as to what should be done with a miller claim. openlynching any miller claim is terrible as a 'policy' and robbvna isn't even trying to read into the claim to determine WM's allignment. it feels like robbvna is hiding himself under 'policy' to push for what I feel is a mislynch.
Fykus' enters at 80 and votes monkey. I don't really mind the votes on monkey because a lot of time it's hard to parse out logic you disagree with, with scummy posting. But the way he brought up meta on WM "also just to note ive seen wm shoot his wad early when he had a d1 claimable role before so im inclined to think hes town here too." <- that's a little scummy actually. WM claiming anything early as town before isn't relevant meta to determine whether he'd openclaim miller as miller or play it differently, or what his range is as scum. This reads like a forced metaread being thrown there to help Fykus' posting look townie and nuanced, and not coming from a legitimately townie scumhunting mindset.
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I've got a thing going on so I'll just end the p1 posting with this:
I thought Maria's "80 posts already?...Oh boy" followed by "People have reads already? What the fuck. o_o I got nothing from these blur of 5 pages." is a little scummy. a blur of 5 pages is more likely to be an actual reaction from scum, and I know this from randing scum and going 'man wtf can I even post wrt this game' before I start really working hard to parse shit out and make some sense on how I'm supposed to act. I also don't like how she first complained on the length, then commented on the sub, and only then got impressed with people having reads 'already' 5 hours later. It doesn't read like a very real progression to me.
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@Thor:
I want to know why you're characterizing my push on Havo as 'pushing the agenda while keeping my hands clean', since no, you didn't explain that in that post. I literally voted him to L-1. How is that 'keeping my hands clean?'In post 663, Thor665 wrote:Since I literally brought that up in the post you're quoting, and did so specifically as regards the push on Havo - let's go with the wild and crazy notion that I think you did it in the push on Havo.
Why are we playing empty twenty questions?
Am I being that confusing and unclear all of a sudden?
In addition to you, Maria (164 and 181), Fykus (173), and Mulch (593) took issue with the L-1 as well, and that's literally what I'm being wagoned for.In post 671, Thor665 wrote:I didn't notice anyone besides me taking issue with the L-1, but maybe I missed all the attention he got.
I'm also going to point out that you're pushing me while simultaneously pushing Mulch for possibly having a perspective slip by indicating that my slot is town. These two pushes don't exactly make much sense together.
@Serg:
In post 701, Sergtacos wrote:Come again, how come Tor is scum? Did i miss something?In post 610, skitter30 wrote:@Tor: Why do you want to lynch misere so badly? He has like two posts, and you were townreading him at the time he made them.I wanna go to sleep now; I'll look at Tor's posts tomorrow.
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quote="In post 375, Havo"]Mulch is too good of a player[/quote]
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I just spit into my cider holy fuck
You mean the random wagon that got no counter wagon was town and a cop at all that? Shocked.In post 376, Havo wrote:This explains Mulch continuing to push me.
Outing the town Cop is worth it for scum on Day 1.
Congrats Scum.
you know Mulch's Defense in post 385 I would sr from any other player but he's got the ego to match so NAIWhy?
This is awful and I don't think you really believe thisIn post 398, humaneatingmonkey wrote:No. You're not playing this game where people can see you as town. That's your real problem.
Is this dead yet? No? Shame. Although on second glance I wonder if mafia would just outright have the balls to keep going for a cop claimIn post 414, Fykus wrote:I think havos lying. The claim is convenient, his overreaction to the whole ordeal seems really disingenuious.
None of this matters though so ill hold off on my vote until tomorrow
Ok noIn post 421, humaneatingmonkey wrote:VOTE: Havo
Outing yourself as a Loyal Town Cop (not just a Cop, with full prefix and modifiers), but refusing to tell us what's the specifics for your role? Ah.
If you want people out of this wagon, you should begin to explain why a Loyal Town Cop is a perfect fit with a Miller. If you even make the slightest sense, I'll reconsider.
VOTE: humanmonkeyI bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Monkeys Tone on page 18 does not get any better he has no cares that he could be lynching a cop get votes on that.
Having people explain Havo scum would be great cause I'm loving there tone all game
Or orrrr just a thought. Explain why it's bad instead of repeating it for the 3rd. Fucking. Time.In post 451, humaneatingmonkey wrote:You really haven't done all you can do. For starters, explain your role and why Loyal Town Cop mixes well with Miller lmao.
Ok reading page 19 I'm getting extremely big pings for Mulch scum here the last game I played with him he tunnled stupidly obv town but I gave him BOTD because he seemed to have a big ego and didn't really care but he
was scum and I feel like he's doing the same thing to havo here rn
I want a Mulch or Monkey lynch atm.
I do disagree with 464 Town do a lot of anti town shit sometimes they think it's just them doing the right thing or they just do it without knowing
Oh no
Monkey can you use quotes please it's neater for makes it less confusing or all of us
First of all why are you set up speccing? Second of all scum don't have fake claims so havo magically made up this cop claim out of no where and isn't getting cc'd I doubt scum havo does that with mitter Also why is scum outside the Havo wagon how many scum do you think were on the wagon?In post 494, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Serg, read into Havo's claim and think real hard. Does it make sense? Inherently—as in setup speculation. Tell me what you think about that. Next, is he consistent with what he sees as scummy and his behavior? Tell me what you think about that, too. Next, do you think it makes more sense that Mulch is scum vs any other players in this thread? If Mulch is the lesser option, then why are you not picking that person? Tell me what you think about that, too. Me? I suggest you follow my strategy on how to sort Havo. Find someone else to look at. I don't think Mulch is logically scummy if he's pushing for CopHavo's lynch this openly. If you believe Havo's claim, the job is done for scum. They flipped a PR role. The scum you're looking for is likely outside of Havo's wagon.I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Can we stop the set up spec? Srsly the only one's who have any idea on set up spec are other pr's and scum and it's srsly not gonna get us anywhere
*blinks* I'm prob bias at this point but everything that comes out of your mouth feels forced. Have you ever seen someone vote someone on there own wagon to unvote cause that's a new one for meIn post 528, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Mulch, are you just voting Sergtacos to get him off your wagon? Or do you think he's scum?
Thor seems to be saying a lot but meaning very little as per usaul
Thank you so much for thisIn post 558, Sergtacos wrote:In post 556, Toranaga wrote:misère;blue;skitter
and the rest is villagers headbutting each other
you're welcomeOut of everyone in this playerlist...lol oh boy
Why do you care? I'm your second biggest sr no?
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Oh shit deleted my last catch up post let me go back
The fuck is this? "Let me ask for a VC with my 3 posts and I'm sad there is no lynch with my 3 posts???? What theIn post 617, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Will wait for a votecount before voting the largest wagon.
25 pages in and no lynch yet. The shame.
The correct reaction.In post 619, Chip Butty wrote:
VOTE: BlueBloodToffeeIn post 617, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Will wait for a votecount before voting the largest wagon.
25 pages in and no lynch yet. The shame.
All in all I don't think Chip/BBT are scum together but I'd be taken back if there wasn't 1 scum in those 2 I don't even tr a lot of people it's more of a "you're not as scummy as _____" The people I do tr are tor havo and WM but I feel good on how this is going.I bet Maria is scum this game~FirebringerNa Maria isn't towny enough to be scum this game~Charloux
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Why is it so important for you to desperately manage to suggest that I'm wrong on my reads?In post 694, Mulch wrote:Perspective slips and flipless VCA yup that's brilliant
If you're scum scared of me being accurate about you and maybe one additional buddy I totally get it.
But what's the point of being a whiny girl-childe about my reads if you're town?
Get some more votes on there and I will join you, but at the moment I'm on a rather large wagon and Skitter is riding quiet.In post 695, Mulch wrote:Let's do Maria. I don't want Skitter today- Thor665
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Did you try to get Havo lynched? y/n - I answer this as 'yes'In post 715, skitter30 wrote:I want to know why you're characterizing my push on Havo as 'pushing the agenda while keeping my hands clean', since no, you didn't explain that in that post. I literally voted him to L-1. How is that 'keeping my hands clean?'
Did you actually engage Havo/people and really explain your reasoning for why he is scum? y/n - I answer this as no, all you did was a weak case repeat of someone else and a vote.
That's what I'm talking about.
Do you understand what I'm saying now?
In post 671, Thor665 wrote:I didn't notice anyone besides me taking issue with the L-1, but maybe I missed all the attention he got.Maria voted Chip.
Fykus voted you - but spent his time attacking Maria (which curls my toes a bit)
Mulch I can see claiming as a reaction, but he got distracted again in about ten more posts.
If I was calling the two of you a scumteam, I would agree.In post 715, skitter30 wrote:I'm also going to point out that you're pushing me while simultaneously pushing Mulch for possibly having a perspective slip by indicating that my slot is town. These two pushes don't exactly make much sense together.
Thank you for pointing out that I'm being objective, not tunneling, and considering all possibilities to find scum?- Sergtacos
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