Mini Normal 1950 [Engame: Mafia Victory!]

[Chip Butty]

Well, at least you established yourself as conftown, so there's that.

[Morality]

I hard claim vanilla cop. There's no point getting you guys to cover me.

Mm...-.-

I’ll respond to the other stuff in the afternoon.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'd also like to head necro's reasoning for his UC read but ATM he's my only townread for his refusal to share it.

He hadn’t posted since stating it. How did you have him refusing to share it here?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

meh...could just be me. i really like to see reasoning. it makes me feel safer than just voting or reading based on feeling. you know.....

ima be honest. here is what im feeling

town
me (duh.)
Necro
CheekyTeeky
Zulph
Morality
Wave Mode

mafia
Rhah
??????'
????? (possibly. idk. might be 3)
???????? (probably not 4 lol)

Are you taking the piss, or are you a Sergtacos alt?

He's either going to be silly Town or silly scum, either way he'll be a nightmare to read.

The '

possibly 3 scum, probably not 4 lol

' thing felt a bit contrived, though.

I sense wanting to advocate for a policy lynch here. What was the scum motivation behind those series of posts?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

UCV if you're town I'm going to be mad. You're so obviously scum that it makes me think you aren't...but then you are, right?

Huh? Could you walk me through this? What’s been the motivation for his behavior?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: UC Voyager

Easy game.

VOTE: Rhah

Wagons are fun!!!

Naked votes raise red flags.

VOTE: necro

Why? They’re NAI.

UCV keeps digging a scum hole for himself (which I'll break down shortly) and this only makes it easier for scum to hide (as rhah 's weak scum read on me proved)

How does Rhah's weak scum read on you involve itself with UCV?

I was making a case for Una as town for suggesting PL on UCV. I said UCV being overtly scummy helped distract town from scum hunting properly...

e.g.

I had planned on calling you mafia, but it was immediately overshadowed by UC being scummier, I think.

Then Rhah gets all uppity "omg CT is discrediting me bring it on I'll smash you" so like he's either usually hyperdefensive and irrational as town or he's scum; pushing shade on whoever hoping something sticks.

I think it’s just as distracting to keep talking about his play unless you have actual alignment inductive reasons to scum read him.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Spoiler:

Oh yeah. Found it interesting how Chaos opens up with just talking about peeks.

Well that's not true at all. I voted them and suggested a claiming strategy unrelated to Cheeky.

VOTE: Rhah

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Not a fan of Luca right now either; going to keep that close to the vest for now.

Oh yeah. Found it interesting how Chaos opens up with just talking about peeks.

Well that's not true at all. I voted them and suggested a claiming strategy unrelated to Cheeky.

VOTE: Rhah

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Not a fan of Luca right now either; going to keep that close to the vest for now.

I would like for you to tell me to tell me what is not true. Your first post is a naked vote and then you proceed to... talk about peeks. In what way is my observation dishonest? Also, this being the second thing you decide to post in the game thread strikes me a certain way. It's not a good feeling. Nevermind that you actually accompany your post with a vote on me.

I misread peeks as a shorthand for Cheeky.

UNVOTE: Rhah

Alright, now that I can actually read what you're saying, let's try this dialogue again. Why would you find it interesting that I only talked about setup strategy with my first post given that the only other things posted were greetings and random votes?

I don't like Chaos' opening so far. He enters just by suggesting the strategy regarding the vanilla cop (which to me seems as though it'd be as much benefit to scum as Town) and then disappears, not posting anything until called out on it by Rhah in 56.

His voting of Rhah, even if Rhah was actually talking about Cheeky instead of 'peeks', is weak/strange. He doesn't try to clear matters up with Rhah or try to understand why he saw his post in that light. It just feels like a defensive vote.

In all three posts he hasn't given a single read or idea, other than his setup 'strategy'. It seems a contrived opening the way he plants the seed of that idea and then disappears.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Chaos

I’m not too familiar with the strategy but I don’t think scum open with it. Just has the potential to draw in a lot of negative or unwarranted attention because not many of the current or newer players are familiar with it and most of those players aren’t going to be eager to try it without a really good reason too.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I think Luca is town here. Not only does he provide detailed reasoning for what he says, but i can follow his logic pretty much everywhere, and that is difficult to maintain as scum as the game drags on. Early days yet, but a good feeling about this slot.

Maybe for you.

I’m not liking the basis of his push on Chaos.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Damn Morality I think you're town because you wouldn't push me this hard knowing my flip. Otherwise suicide. Yeah I'm a fan of OMGUS so lynch me.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: UCV

This pings me a bit and voting UCV again doesn’t do it any favors.

For some reason, I expect town to just double down here but that might me being too used to site meta.

You're like TwoInAMillion

Nah

There’s a bit of lightheartedness to him that Two doesn’t have.

Sorry I don't have any evidence, I've never played mafia before.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

What's 'beetlejuicing'?

It's when people (usually scum) show up whenever they're talked about (usually negatively).

I'm still going to make a case for why people should be on Morality's wagon. I'm just hungover so be patient.

So basically you’re waiting until you can figure out and get the timing right on the case to get people to sheep. Got it. Solid, but you should have just waited and then did it, rather than state that poor trajectory considering you stated a town read and then a scum read within a few posts without even me posting.

For those of you that it matters to, I am Boonskiies. I play on this account to change up my style a bit, and pretend I’m Light.

If you want to check the amount of times I’ve been pushed from being inactive and then posting a good amount on my intro, be my guest. I usually hit scum, and one of the three on me is lock scum. Like I said before, it’s probably not Rhah.

Acidphoenix’s read of me, I’m not sure what exactly it is, and Cheeky’s salty as fuck scum. Cheeky attacked my reasonings for things when I said “Assuming” and I didnt even really pursue it. Most of the way I speak is by design because I try to be a character on this account. The fact that Cheeky felt so defensive after a statement I made from “assuming”, which meant that was just a possible scenario that happened. Cheeky took it to heart and thought I’d start pushing her.

If you want to make this into a 1v1, be my guest. You’ll end up self destructing anyways.

VOTE: Cheeky

Una mentioned something about you earlier? Has he played with you on this account or do you two know each other outside of mafia? I ask because he did gave meta on you prior to you stating your main.

Oh and hi Boon!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I’m a reaction test player to the max. I sometimes claim like 5 different times in my town game.

Boon, the self-meta is just becoming cringe and hard to read now. It’s obvious that none of them is going to strongly consider it or even try to verify.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Morality is scum. Doubt = zero.

You just said you don't think he'd be pushing as hard as he is on you if he's scum?...

When someone says something like doubt is zero on d1, i don't feel inclined to take subsequent reads too seriously. Not AI, but you really need to not overstate your case if you are town.

I think trying to hammer home cases on this site is needed. Especially when Day 1s average anywhere from 60 to a 100 pages. If you don’t want her overstating, what would you rather have her do? Do you believe she’s tunneling?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Doesn't game solve, sits around pretending he's scumhunting by just complaining other people are bad. Doesn't provide content because waiting for other people to provide it (yeah that makes sense) and also has been acting for like an entire week now as if my playstyle for the first 2 days was just hurting the game so much.

Everyone's gotten over it basically or moved on at least, but Chip is clinging to it in a way that's just so fake. Like I'll lynch another scumread today but Chip just needs to be lynched.

Effort and lack of game solving isn’t AI.

I like the latter point but I think you’re exaggerating it a bit if I’m recalling correctly.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Oink.

Porkens!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm trying to make the point that Necro is probably scum with Cheeky and Rhah.

Why do you always do this? You often think the most intense pushes and arguments between two players are scum theater. You did it in Kidney Mafia and you’re doing it here. How you reached this conclusion beyond me if you have read. It’s also Day 1, without a scum flip you can’t look for distancing.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

oh.....well then.....

VOTE: Porkens


i like the honesty, but you just made me revote you because you knew how to react....

Don’t like this.

CT, do you think UnaH and UCV are scumbuddies because they both tried the fakehammer manouevre? Yes, peeps, I can spell manouevre.

I don't know how to read UCV he always looks derp scum to me. Two people pulling off the same manoeuvre is a bit of a stretch to call AI, especially when one of them is UCV...

I’m not a fan of UCV’s latest vote and it might make me reevaluate him when I finish catching up but what is your experience with derp scum? I find scum who are incapable of being constantly in control of the game state and creating mislynch opportunities as well ensuring mislynches are more derp scum to me. His play overall doesn’t read like that to me. It reads like carefree newb town.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Necro has only one other game on MS. He was town in this game. I've read through it and find his play here is much different. I saw one trollish comment he made in early RVS but the rest of his game is really good, insightful and gamesolving. I even saw a colourful wall post of reads! With reasons!!

Granted it is not a strong meta argument as our sample size is 1 game, however the contrast is so jarring that I can only assume the necro we're playing with here is scum.

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned Necro's transition this game? As I recall, he spent half of D1 trolling everyone, playing what Morality termed "to scummy to be scum that he's obv town;" But in a bizzare 180 on his previous behaviour, he starts trying to work with me to game solve. I'm not entirely sure if the timing is significant (or alludes to potential buddies), but his behaviour seemed to change after my Morality push fell to pieces. In hindsight I see it as opportunism to pocket me for one of two potential purposes:

First, if I was lynched, he would get town cred for reading me correctly/or defending me
Second, it was an attempt to divert me away from a scum buddy and manipulate my vote to further his scum agenda.

I did address the first issue with him in D1 to which he responded with ignorance of any potential benefits existing. The second issue I played along with to gather more info because I couldn't get anything more than null from reading him. Notice how he kept pushing Acid as a scum read but in the final VC, he's got Acid voting Chip (who he was also pushing as scum) and now Acid is magically dead with what looks like a smoking gun in Chip's hands.

My lynchpool for D2 is {Necro, Morality, UnaH}

If necro is not an appealing lynch to town today I'd like to know where everybody elses reads are atm.

I will say from what I know of necro, he would play like this as town just as much he would in whatever game you’re talking about.

I just can’t see him as scum here. There’s no aim or direction to his play other than being unapologetically blunt and trollish. Both in combination with each other just doesn’t strike me as a recipe to endgame as scum or to even make it to the next day.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah I can't really be bothered playing like I did that game. This site's deadlines are way too long, this game would literally be finished on most sites already.

It was a mistake signing up to another game here.

This site isn't though, lol.

You aren’t ever leaving though

[Rhah]

VOTE: Chip Butty

I'm done trying lol

[CheekyTeeky]

LUV, necro come vote Chip.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

What’s the case on Chip again?

[wavemode]

Skim skim skim

[wavemode]

I'm going to start worrying that every new account I see is Boon in disguise...

[wavemode]

That said, this is general meta for him

Vanders probably also town with that defense

[Chip Butty]

I think Luca is town here. Not only does he provide detailed reasoning for what he says, but i can follow his logic pretty much everywhere, and that is difficult to maintain as scum as the game drags on. Early days yet, but a good feeling about this slot.

Maybe for you.

I’m not liking the basis of his push on Chaos.

Yeah i retract my read on Luca, thanks to another game that has now finished wherein he turned out to be scum and played a very similar game to here. In fact, i thought he was more convincing in that other game. I need to reread his stuff.