Mini Normal 1954: Iambic Tetramafia: Endgame

[jjh927]

Votecount 1.04

Both groups are mobs in their own way-
One kills by night, one kills by day.

skitter30	L-2	Jingle, Awoo, Not Known 15, EspeciallyTheLies, TwoInAMillion
TwoInAMillion	L-4	taiho, Wickedestjr, Dunkerdoodles
EspeciallyTheLies	L-6	UC Voyager
UC Voyager	L-6	Flubbernugget
Fykus	L-6	skitter30
Not Voting	---	Fykus, ironstove

The deadline is (expired on 2017-10-31 23:50:00) from now.

[Dunkerdoodles]

I love how ESL (especially the lies) has so far tried to be the town leader or something. He has been drawing attention to everyone, but it almost as if he is trying to avoid bringing attention to himself! He has very ineffective scum hunting tactics, and it makes me think he is scum!

no

[Flubbernugget]

I've missed the reasoning behind skitter being scum

[skitter30]

Slept for a bit, turns out I have a fever which explains a remarkable amount about the last 36 hours.

I know I'm not explaining myself well, but I'm doing the best I can atm. Like, if you wanna talk about something cuz you didn't like or understand what I'm saying, ask so that I can try to explain or clarify or whatever.

This is where I'm at:

(ordering within tiers doesn't mean anything, it's just the order of how I remembered people)

townlean: jingle, Dunker, Awoo
null: Fykus, Flubber,
scumlean: ETL, Two, Nic, Taiho

Jingle - idk how to explain this right now. Best vote on my wagon.

Dunker - feels very chill, free-flowing, very carefree

Awoo - Good vote on me. closer to nulltown than townlean

Fykus - yeah his one post wasn't AI, so I don't have a read here

Flubber - I don't really remember him saying anything significant

Two - might be scum but I don't like the reasoning people are giving. The meta-tone scumread is bad and I explained why in depth cuz that's just how he posts. 84 was too defensive. The vote on me is bad, but that's just how he rolls so I dunno if it's AI

Nic - bad catchup was bad. Dislikes all of my posts, but quotes on one of them to explain whyTwo is bad? That . . . makes a ton of sense. Like it looks like he was just agreeing with posts without actually looking at who wrote what and isn't really looking at if they make sense together. Little analysis, lots of agreeing/disagreeing with things that have already been hashed over, doesn't add anything new about why things are bad. Vote on me was bad, maybe even the worst tbh.

Taiho - don't really have an opinion besides for the fact that the vote on Two was kinda opportunistic. More nullscum than scumlean

ETL - I dunno, might be scum. Push on Two is bad, but I wanna see what she has to say about what I wrote earlier about Two. Vote on me was bad. I absolutely hated this:

hiya jingle! so glad you're here. i don't like your angling at me. stop it. ask me real questions if you're actually trying to get a read

instead of just trying to make it seem like you have reasons to scimread me

.

Too defensive and too much shadethrowing for Jingle's question of 'Are you scum?' and comment of 'needs to start towntelling'. I don't know where she's getting the bolded from cuz I don't see where Jingle implied that at all.

UC and IS - shitposters that I didn't get anything useful out of
(p-edit note: UC's ETL vote is kinda weird but I think I like it? Like it's so off base and out of touch with the thread that it comes from clueless town?)

Wicked - conflicted - I really liked questioning of Jingle's townread, but some of their other posts feel kinda off and forced. I dunno where to put him atm.

I don't think ETL and Two are scum together

[TwoInAMillion]

Oh nice, only one page of ETL accumulated while I slept? This game isn't going to be as hard to read as I thought. I liked ETL's 106, it feels honest.

I think someone asked why I was voting taiho? One of the people I've got my eye on. I don't like his opening string and I want to see where he goes now that we're game on. I cannot speak for 2mil or his vote.

Apparently I should've voted for you to be townread by you too lol

Don't like this particularly, it got my attention.

DD's string this game has been naked early reads. I don't know how easy it is to fake something like that, but ultimately I TR it since he looks like he's having fun.

91 town.

[a post by 2iam]

is all sorts of ick. Why do you want to form a double wagon on someone who still hasn't posted? Why is this a good thing (you're a fan of it?) and what info would you get out of it? And why on Fykus in particular, out of everyone who only had one vote on them at the time?

Also, I'm feeling like votes on Two are kinda opportunistic/easy? Like, he's blatantly new, and awkward and bad does not necessarily mean scum. I kinda feel like he's an easy place for scum to go at that point (ie I'm talking about Taiho's vote on Two). I vaguely feel the same way about UC.

Fence sitting detected. VOTE: skitter30 Like what, he's all sorts of ick, but it's too easy to vote for him? Usually when I (hear this/have done it in the past myself as scum), it's scum worrying about whether or not their target is too "lynchbait-ey" to vote for. Sometimes they make it real obvious and slip the word lynchbait into their post. Since I just read two conflicting statements, what do you think of TIM?

[ironstove]

OHHH MY GODDDD

Why do these people even sign up to this site? I honestly don't understand it at all. They don't wanna play so why do they waste everyone's time and steal a player slot from someone who would actually contribute to the enjoyment of the game...

VOTE: ironstove
kill it with fire. i'm not dealing with this bullshit.

I detect some fake outrage in a sad attempt to virtue signal some town telling

[ironstove]

That's simpleton LAMIST mafia behavior 101

[ironstove]

Lock town:
Ironstove
UC Voyager
Dunkerdoodles

REST:
TBD

[Dunkerdoodles]

stop townreading me it makes me less engaged
everyone that townreads me is locktown though

[skitter30]

@Two:

Cool. Bad vote became worse vote:

1. You didn't seem have a problem with it at the time my post when I wrote it.

2. The wagon on me is kinda bad to begin with, and naked voting me for the L-2 vote is awful

3. It's like a belated OMGUS via sheeping. You didn't explain (and still haven't explained) the original post you made when I asked you about it, but are later sheeping someone else's reasoning for not liking my explanation for why I didn't like that post. Your explanation for voting me is quoting Awoo, who said that he thought I was fence-sitting on you, even though I said I was trying to probe your thought process and you never bothered to respond to the points I raised there. The fact that you added in [post by 2iam] makes it seem like you literally have a problem with my post because I was questioning one of yours. I'm also like the only person who gave a legitimate reason (ie not meta-tone based) for why you're sketchy here, and you're voting me.

[Dunkerdoodles]

skitter locktown too
locktown bloc: me, skitter, ironstove, flubber, etl, jingle

subject to change

[TwoInAMillion]

First of all, I'm not "blatantly new". I'm not playing any sort of newbie card. I have a very good record for the games that I have played.

And second, saying that my posting is "all sorts of ick" and then criticizing my wagoners for being opportunistic is pretty much the definition of fence sitting.

[Dunkerdoodles]

two in a million
you too could be lock town by not sheeping every wagon
tyvm

[TwoInAMillion]

two in a million
you too could be lock town by not sheeping every wagon
tyvm

I see you as town too.

[Dunkerdoodles]

nice try but no

[Dunkerdoodles]

if there was a scummy award for most unnoticeable person it'd probably be me

[skitter30]

First of all, I'm not "blatantly new". I'm not playing any sort of newbie card. I have a very good record for the games that I have played.

And second, saying that my posting is "all sorts of ick" and then criticizing my wagoners for being opportunistic is pretty much the definition of fence sitting.

I never said you were playing any sort of newbie card, so I dunno why you feel the need to defend yourself against that accusation. I said you were new and that it might be hard to distinguish between bad and scummy play from you.

You actually are playing the newbie card though.

That's what you're basically trying to do is to cast doubt on my ability to vote/argue/find scum based on my ms age, thus hoping people will take your side in the future.

You're using your join date as a reason for why people shouldn't scumread you.

And no, for, like the fourth time, I'm not fence-sitting. I didn't say I scumread you at that point. I said I thought the post was bad. I didn't say it was voteworthy, or that it made me scumread you. I asked you to explain what you were thinking so that I could try to assess it and figure out if it was scummy or not. I think that it's very easy for scum to push 'bad' as 'scummy', and that hopping on your wagon without actually trying to sort you or analyze what you were thinking is opportunistic.

I'm *still* waiting for you to explain it though.

[Dunkerdoodles]

let the intense 1v1 commence

[Awoo]

Why does post 204 exist?

[Dunkerdoodles]

its his "reason" for voting skitter

[skitter30]

it's awoo's reason for voting skitter

[TwoInAMillion]

Seems like fence sitting to me. Why not just say if I am scum or town?

[Dunkerdoodles]

[Dunkerdoodles]

you do realise we're 9 pages in yes?

[skitter30]

Cuz at the time I wrote that, the closest thing I had to a read on you, as I said earlier, was 84, which I found to be overly defensive. I could see caught scum saying that if they felt like they were caught for the wrong reasons.

Everything else you posted was similar to your town game or NAI or bad and the cumulative read was very slight scumlean, but close to null, so I wanted you to explain a post that I found interesting (I note that you still haven't) to try to develop a read on you.

This convo, especially your explanation for my vote, is strengthening the scumlean.