Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:30 am
Why do you favor his lynch post claim, flubbs?
IF 2iam is scum, my expected partners include you/awoo, so I find the whole "I was waiting for you" thing curious. I mean, why...? What exactly are you waiting for? Why do you need my approval to vote? Why would you wait so long to push ... anyone? The thing I am concerned about here is if TIAM is indeed scum, and you are his partner, you will try to hammer for cred, knowing already what he is. Doubly so if he flips goon and nothing more interesting.In post 160, Jingle wrote:Awoo is town. Tai and Wicked too. I'm withholding judgement on Flubs.
Glad we can agree on 2000000 though.
And the other thing here is if TIAM is scum, I don't believe skitter is. There's an argument for skitter. I'll admit that you have made good points here. I played a bit of devil's advocate in my head with this yesterday, but it's sound and makes sense. BUT TIAM IS SO MUCH SCUMMIER?! And in my mind, if that's the case, then all of these issues were more than likely presented by a town player (skitter), which makes me wonder - are any of these points worthwhile in the first place? I'm not criticizing your analysis or scum-hunting abilities, just the reality of it, if that makes sense.In post 173, Jingle wrote:She actively avoids interacting with the information in the thread when she comes in, including an L-3 wagon, a softclaim and two naked votes to naked vote an unrelated person who hasn't posted yet, and immediately after suspicion is brought up about her doubles back to ask a bunch of questions about the things she just ignored while focusing in on the ramifications of the read on her, not what it says about any of the other players.
I'd be happy if they disappeared. ironstove is a bad player, period. it's shameful. i don't expect everyone to be a scumhunting god, but i do expect players to uphold their responsibility to the game and respect for the other people who came to actually play. and the worst part is they make their slot completely unreadable. fine, if they're scum, but completely unforgivable if they are town.In post 186, Jingle wrote:brief meta dive suggests that UC and IS are both high risk for shitposting, but will likely increase in usefulness and content as the thread gains content, so I'm content to push things that are likely to be scum until it's proven that I need to ridicule them for not playing the game.
Really didn't get that vibe from skitter's post.In post 190, Jingle wrote:Why would you want to hunt for who the masons were, especially if I was unwilling to share that information right out?
This was the post that made me want to vote skitter, the bolded especially. it felt too... excuse-make-y. i kept rereading your post with the reasons why you wanted to vote skitter, and trying to see how you might be right and how you might be wrong. this post fit for me, so i voted.In post 192, skitter30 wrote:I wasn't hunting for them. That's what I first saw when I read the first page.I was aware that I was a tad sleep-deprived at the time, and that I wasn't thinking clearly, and that I probably wasn't looking at that properly. The more I thought about it, the more unlikey I thought it was, specifically because the odds of just the two of them posting right after each other within minutes of you posting that was kinda slim.
Since I was pretty sure I made it up, I wanted to know why you were reading Flubber/Dunker differently.
That's why my first line of 27 was an observation instead of a question. I wanted to leave it open-ended. If I wasn't making things up, you could ignore it. If I was seeing things that weren't there, I wanted an answer for why it seemed like you were treating Dunker/Flubber differently for the same post, and that was an invitation for you to talk about it more.
In post 196, UC Voyager wrote:I love how ESL (especially the lies) has so far tried to be the town leader or something. He has been drawing attention to everyone, but it almost as if he is trying to avoid bringing attention to himself! He has very ineffective scum hunting tactics, and it makes me think he is scum!
Why didn't you just ask me about this post? You say you prefer people to ask you questions about things they don't understand, yet do not follow your own advice.In post 203, skitter30 wrote: ETL - I dunno, might be scum. Push on Two is bad, but I wanna see what she has to say about what I wrote earlier about Two. Vote on me was bad. I absolutely hated this:
Too defensive and too much shadethrowing for Jingle's question of 'Are you scum?' and comment of 'needs to start towntelling'. I don't know where she's getting the bolded from cuz I don't see where Jingle implied that at all.In post 64, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:hiya jingle! so glad you're here. i don't like your angling at me. stop it. ask me real questions if you're actually trying to get a readinstead of just trying to make it seem like you have reasons to scimread me.
In post 205, ironstove wrote:In post 177, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:OHHH MY GODDDD
Why do these people even sign up to this site? I honestly don't understand it at all. They don't wanna play so why do they waste everyone's time and steal a player slot from someone who would actually contribute to the enjoyment of the game...I detect some fake outrage in a sad attempt to virtue signal some town tellingIn post 178, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:VOTE: ironstove
kill it with fire. i'm not dealing with this bullshit.
In post 206, ironstove wrote:That's simpleton LAMIST mafia behavior 101
soooooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad......
agreed mostly, except maybe for jingle. i'm not so sure about him.In post 210, Dunkerdoodles wrote:skitter locktown too
locktown bloc: me, skitter, ironstove, flubber, etl, jingle
subject to change
uhhh... not really.. they are not exclusive to each other. you can think someone is scummy and still recognize that the manner in which votes collected on your preferred wagon were executed in an opportunistic manner or with opportunistic reasons. i agree there's some cogdis on skitter's part but its not fence sitting.In post 211, TwoInAMillion wrote:saying that my posting is "all sorts of ick" and then criticizing my wagoners for being opportunistic is pretty much the definition of fence sitting.
this. "endgaming" is not an accomplishment, it's an embarrassment.In post 236, Dunkerdoodles wrote:or maybe you're so bad scum doesn't want to kill you so you can destroy town
In post 242, Dunkerdoodles wrote:if you aren't nightkilled generally it means either your reads are really bad that game and you're pushing town or you aren't contributing as much as others.
he's not getting it, and it's funny, cuz he just keeps reinforcing dunker's point...In post 243, TwoInAMillion wrote:Clearly that wasn't the case considering in the wins I was not nightkilled in and still on I was contributing to most of the scum wagons.
*SIGH*In post 251, Jingle wrote:1. I'd like to hardclaim before the end of day so that I can explain what I believe my role to mean before I get shot. And let's be clear here, I'm pretty obviously getting shot at some point in the near future.
I've always been a fan of the "momentum read". I've also been shot down on it so many times and proved wrong so many times, I've given up touting it's usefulness. But I like that you're thinking about it. I like that people are looking at that. It's a good tool, if nothing else.In post 256, Awoo wrote:I think it's worth looking into that most of what people refer to as the speed on the skitter wagon came from sketchy slots like TIAM and Not known.
In my attempts to find it myself, I came across this lovely post:
ah those were the days (not)EspeciallyTheLies wrote:ilIed. day3 didnts tart on time. bestiecrsis. openin thead momentarily.
i'm a bittle doo dunk for flavor. and will fix sit later.
Will read rest of post shortly, but this bears poking.In post 276, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:With the neighborizer claim.. I'm 99% sure he's scum now. If he actually is a neighborizer, there's no way he's town - too powerful in the hands of town, but balancing in the hands of scum. Especially if what you say about masons is true - no way there's masons and a town neighborizer. I don't see that getting through review.
These people - please poke the rest, and poke em good!
this post was mostly empty. what's up with that jingles?
There's no way in hell scum Jingle shoots town ETL day 1 when she's literally the reason he's in the game in the first place.
I do remember Flubscum. From two years ago. You know, when I had trouble reading flubber. This feels different, but there's also a 2 year gap to make me doubt that. Flubbs seems more... mature, I guess? But that could easily be playstyle.what is the conclusion here? i'm missing itJangle wrote:Wicked doesn't poke me right out the gate, or get in between us. He knows me as a combative asshole who is really good at getting his way and scum wicked has literally 0 reason to draw my attention to him that soon. I'm pretty sure he's also seen my propensity to tunnel someone over almost nothing for the entire game, like a dog with a bone.
do you not remember flubber scum??? this isn't it.I'll come following you. wrote:Flubbs has had individual posts that make me want to townbin him, but nothing screams it to me, so I'd still like to hear the logic there.
You're NOT MY ROBOT SUPERVISOR!In post 287, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:dont claim unless you have to. don't be dumb
nobody claimed masons.In post 289, Jingle wrote:DD is slightly less town, but still very town because he was the naked humpvote on a P1 wagon on someone who may well have been claiming masons out the gate. Newbscum ISN'T that ballsy. Flubbs might pull that, but DD wouldn't.
This feels distance-y and/or bus-y.In post 256, Awoo wrote: Get this: if TIAM was really looking to read skitter, he would have read 184 and seen his response to what I said about fence sitting, then responded to that, if anything. This just appears as pushing the wagon for the sake of pushing the wagon instead of trying to formulate reads and sort.
This feels kinda fake? Like an overreaction, almost. Kinda false-bravado-y?In post 271, Awoo wrote:LOL
I sure hope my scumreads don't flip scum or else im in trouble! ..sorry I think I got brain damage while you were shaking me.
In post 276, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Why didn't you just ask me about this post? You say you prefer people to ask you questions about things they don't understand, yet do not follow your own advice.In post 203, skitter30 wrote: ETL - I dunno, might be scum. Push on Two is bad, but I wanna see what she has to say about what I wrote earlier about Two. Vote on me was bad. I absolutely hated this:Too defensive and too much shadethrowing for Jingle's question of 'Are you scum?' and comment of 'needs to start towntelling'. I don't know where she's getting the bolded from cuz I don't see where Jingle implied that at all.In post 64, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:hiya jingle! so glad you're here. i don't like your angling at me. stop it. ask me real questions if you're actually trying to get a readinstead of just trying to make it seem like you have reasons to scimread me.
???In post 185, skitter30 wrote:Can you elaborate on this please? Namely, why do you think he was doing the bolded?In post 64, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:hiya jingle! so glad you're here. i don't like your angling at me. stop it. ask me real questions if you're actually trying to get a read insteadof just trying to make it seem like you have reasons to scimread me.
Me in scum survival mode is panic-lurking. I hate playing scum. I am not a good scum player. I get flustered and defensive and do stupid things as scum. I lurk, avoid talking about things that I think are in any way controversial, and make a post or two just before a prod would go out. I hate getting wagoned as scum and don't know how to respond to it so I tend to lurk it out, and would prefer to just let the lynch happen than trying to fight it. I wouldn't be posting here when I was sick or had an assignment due, and would just use that as an excuse for not posting for like two days while getting wagoned.In post 283, Jingle wrote:Unfortunately, it could come from scum in survival mode so it's more null than anything, but I do WANT it to be town.