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wavemode · Post Post #1125 (ISO) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:24 am

No. Right now there are at most three scum and at least 5 non-scum, since there's 8 alive and the game is not over. So if you are lynched, serg is vigged, and someone in the town is nightkilled, it would be at least 3 town vs at most 2 scum tomorrow

skitter30 · Post Post #1126 (ISO) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:24 am

In post 1116, Sergtacos wrote:I think wave is also scum

Not sure if he is tbh. I was kinda thinking that he might be the mystery investigatve that lied about being a VT. And I can understand where he was coming from regarding Two, since honestly Two has done things like that before.

Gunsmith gets guilties on:

Scum, vigs, and

fbi agents

, but not SKs. So if you survive, I think you check Chip to resolve him?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Gunsmith

Do we want Chip to shoot anyone?

In post 1117, Sergtacos wrote:
In post 1111, skitter30 wrote:
In post 833, Sergtacos wrote:You don't think I think you're scum here? Why? Explain why you think that.
Yeah this explains why I felt like you were faking a scumread on me.
Yeah xD i was like damn skitter knows whats up with that fake scumread xD

Yeah

It felt super artificial, especially given 1946, and I know that you're a lot more aware than you were trying to portray yourself as, so I attributing the artificialness to scum!serg trying to get me lynched here.

In post 1121, wavemode wrote:Yeah but that's the thing, if the scum have a roleblocker, our "vig" is useless no matter who he shoots or says he's going to shoot. They're not going to risk it

And that's why we lynch Two here.

In post 1122, TwoInAMillion wrote:Well, I am def not a backup scum rb. When was the last time you saw a scum backup backing up a town? Isn't that kind of bastard?

I was going to quote the wiki, because I thought the wiki page said that backups could be of either alignment, but I can't find the quote. Either way, I'm pretty sure this is a thing.

In post 1123, wavemode wrote:In any case, TIAM and Serg are in a 1v1 and we have a "vig" shot. Let's say TIAM is scum roleblocker - like skitter says, we can't kill him at night, since he will block chip. So, we lynch him today, then if he flips town we vig Serg. Either way, tomorrow there will we be only 2 scum left and we keep the game going. Any objections?

I mean, we'd be depending on Chip to go along with this. But I think he will, even if he's actually an SK:

If Two flips town, and Chip is an SK, we're 3-3-1, and Chip killing a townie and scum also killing a townie makes it 1-3-1 and sk!Chip loses. He'd need to shoot scum here (in this scenario, serg), to make it 2-2-1 to have a chance of winning.

So yeah, no objections.

If Two flips scum, we're 4-2-1 if Chip is an SK. Scum shoots town, 3-2-1. IF CHIP SHOOTS IN THIS SCENARIO I WOULD TREAT IT AS A SCUMCLAIM FROM HIM. (Although I don't know if we could per se do anything about it at that point). But just saying.

Again, if Chip shoots after Two flips scum, I'm pretty sure that's a scumclaim.

p-edit: yeah see above.

wavemode · Post Post #1127 (ISO) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:34 am

I mean, if the scumteam know what's good for them they should shoot Chip regardless of his alignment. We're certainly never ever lynching him, and them leaving him alive carries the risk of him eliminating them outright. I'm hoping that sense of self-preservation means we don't have to deal with this SK problem we seem to have

skitter30 · Post Post #1128 (ISO) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:39 am

They have to decide between shooting chip and shooting Serg . . . I guess Serg probably ought to not check Chip in that case? idk. Let him decide I guess.

K, I gotta go till tom night. I don't want the day to end before chip sees this and agrees (which is why I'm not voting right now).

Sergtacos · Post Post #1129 (ISO) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:52 am

UNVOTE: 2inamillion

Yeah, we still need to discuss.

wavemode · Post Post #1130 (ISO) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:56 am

Serg should clearly gunsmith someone to clear them, rather than smithing Chip to determine something that's, honestly, rather irrelevant to our current position

wavemode · Post Post #1131 (ISO) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:56 am

In post 1129, Sergtacos wrote:UNVOTE: 2inamillion

Yeah, we still need to discuss.

Yeah, but I mean, from your point of view what is there to discuss? You have a guilty...

TwoInAMillion · Post Post #1132 (ISO) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:06 am

Because he's lying.

Sergtacos · Post Post #1133 (ISO) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:54 pm

In post 1131, wavemode wrote:
In post 1129, Sergtacos wrote:UNVOTE: 2inamillion

Yeah, we still need to discuss.
Yeah, but I mean, from your point of view what is there to discuss? You have a guilty...

In post 1132, TwoInAMillion wrote:Because he's lying.

Sergtacos · Post Post #1134 (ISO) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:54 pm

Because I'm lying lmfao

wavemode · Post Post #1135 (ISO) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:23 pm

Yeah he didn't conjugate that properly

But my question still stands

Chip Butty · Post Post #1136 (ISO) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:45 pm

In post 1128, skitter30 wrote:They have to decide between shooting chip and shooting Serg . . . I guess Serg probably ought to not check Chip in that case? idk. Let him decide I guess.

K, I gotta go till tom night. I don't want the day to end before chip sees this and agrees (which is why I'm not voting right now).

Reading through now.

Chip Butty · Post Post #1137 (ISO) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:00 pm

Question for everyone: If i was SK and I knew the FBI detective was dead but didn't know there was a gunsmith, why would I make my life difficult by claiming vig?

Chip Butty · Post Post #1138 (ISO) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:04 pm

I don't know what to make of Taco's latest claim. Wasn't he briefly a miller at one point?

Skitter's balance argument sounds right though. I'm down with the plan, I think. After my Dany shot I'm not confident of my reads here.

Chip Butty · Post Post #1139 (ISO) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:06 pm

If 2IAM flips town, I shoot Taco, else holster. Right?

wavemode · Post Post #1140 (ISO) » Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:14 pm

Correct

Flubbernugget · Post Post #1141 (ISO) » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:53 am

In post 1100, Sergtacos wrote:i really wanna quit but know whats funny? I might die tonight know why? Because I lied about being a VT, I'm a gunsmith, 2 in a million has a gun.

Why the FUCK did you wait till the day was halfway over to say this

Flubbernugget · Post Post #1142 (ISO) » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:56 am

Setup is balanced. I don't think scum attempted to fakeclaim pr's here.

Flubbernugget · Post Post #1143 (ISO) » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:57 am

Well...maaaaybe tiam isn't a roleblocker, but he really just needs rope

I guess I should have said scum is in the VT's

skitter30 · Post Post #1144 (ISO) » Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:22 pm

In post 1132, TwoInAMillion wrote:Because he's lying.

You do realize you're in a direct 1v1 with Serg and that you're calling him a liar but that you're not trying to get him lynched? You aren't even voting him right now - you're voting Chip.

skitter30 · Post Post #1145 (ISO) » Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:03 pm

In post 1137, Chip Butty wrote:Question for everyone: If i was SK and I knew the FBI detective was dead but didn't know there was a gunsmith, why would I make my life difficult by claiming vig?

As opposed to not claiming at all?

Like I said, I was pretty sure it was you, after you gave a hypothetical defense of a dany shot.

You were either claiming there or never claiming, and you took yourself out of the lynchpool by claiming because we need to lynch groupscum and you're never groupscum here.

I'm still not sold that you aren't an SK... I'm tending to thinking that you are actually. But it doesn't matter right now.

Anyway, can you answer the question I directed at you ok the last page?

skitter30 · Post Post #1146 (ISO) » Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:08 pm

In post 1139, Chip Butty wrote:If 2IAM flips town, I shoot Taco, else holster. Right?

Yep.

Scum, just pointing out that if you kill Serg, you're conftowning me (not groupscum per Serg, and chip is claiming vig/sk). So just food for thought when you think about the night kill. Not going to go into which kill I think is optimal here though.

So, if I somehow die overnight and theres a second death in literally any other scenario than the one yuou described above, I'm telling people to treat it as a legit scumclaim from you.

Sergtacos · Post Post #1147 (ISO) » Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:11 pm

In post 1144, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1132, TwoInAMillion wrote:Because he's lying.
You do realize you're in a direct 1v1 with Serg and that you're calling him a liar but that you're not trying to get him lynched? You aren't even voting him right now - you're voting Chip.

Could that be his bussing vote?

skitter30 · Post Post #1148 (ISO) » Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:17 pm

No. Chip isn't groupscum here. He's either vig or SK given that no one else claimed the extra shot last night, and I don't think that scum have the ability to kill more than once per night.

VOTE: Two

wavemode · Post Post #1149 (ISO) » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:03 pm

In post 1147, Sergtacos wrote:
In post 1144, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1132, TwoInAMillion wrote:Because he's lying.
You do realize you're in a direct 1v1 with Serg and that you're calling him a liar but that you're not trying to get him lynched? You aren't even voting him right now - you're voting Chip.
Could that be his bussing vote?

Could this be Serg still ignoring my question