Mini Normal 1969 - Blessed Mafia (Werewolf Win)

[UC Voyager]

493 Has some slight buddying. You need to admit, there is currently no reason to think im town because i have not done much so far. After i start to scum read him, He gets a little friendly and it seems artificial.

398, 456 here he says that we should lynch esp, then says unless we go for someone else then makes a case on them in 458. you would think that he would make a case on the person he was voting

55 Is this a joke, dumbtell, open wolfing? I HAVE NO IDEA, but it is ringing alarms

[post]500[/post seems like he is trying to seem like he has nothing to worry about.

so far, none of his posts shows any signs of town hunting. a little scum hunting, but no town hunting is happening. It really makes me think the slot is scum.

VOTE: Archwing

[Archwing]

493 Has some slight buddying. You need to admit, there is currently no reason to think im town because i have not done much so far. After i start to scum read him, He gets a little friendly and it seems artificial.

There is no reality in which I am buddying you UCV. Remember earlier when someone had pointed out that you were being too scummy to be scum? Yeah. That.

398, 456 here he says that we should lynch esp, then says unless we go for someone else then makes a case on them in 458. you would think that he would make a case on the person he was voting

Where is my vote right now? On esp. Because that is who I want to lynch. And I said my secondary target in post 456, and then in 457 you asked me to explain it, and now you call my response in 458 a scumtell? WTF kind of logic is that?

55 Is this a joke, dumbtell, open wolfing? I HAVE NO IDEA, but it is ringing alarms

So esp and I have already hashed this out. Like i said earlier, do yourself (AND TOWN) a favor and actually read the thread. You're embarrassing yourself

[post]500[/post seems like he is trying to seem like he has nothing to worry about.

Still waiting for a response to this, by the way. Stop avoiding my questions

so far, none of his posts shows any signs of town hunting. a little scum hunting, but no town hunting is happening. It really makes me think the slot is scum.

VOTE: Archwing

[Espeonage]

I kind of what to flip Jay.

If they flip scum, it's multiball. Which is good to know.

Bc relationally my scumreads don't make sense together and I have four of them. And it'd be nice to have a chance for them all to be scum at the same time.

Highly unlikely. This is a mini.

Go read his ISO

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I did. Don’t get drowned in WIFOM.

[Something_Smart]

*If my read on town!Esp. is accurate, then

Someone heavily advocating to lynch Esp. today is likely scum

Actually, I disagree. I think that a better conclusion is that someone defending him is likely scum. I think scum would try to avoid being at the forefront of a miller push; they'd try to hide in the background and look like they were just following and it wasn't their fault.

I kind of what to flip Jay.

If they flip scum, it's multiball. Which is good to know.

Bc relationally my scumreads don't make sense together and I have four of them. And it'd be nice to have a chance for them all to be scum at the same time.

Better idea:

If you think Jay scum implies multiball, then singleball would imply Jay town. So leave them alive for now and see if it's multiball first.

(And by the way, UCV, Paint Mafia Mania was an unusually terrible multiball game. Usually, they aren't quite so one-sided, and of course this is a normal so all of the complex mechanics there won't be present here.)

[Quick]

The Quick and Chill push for it to not just happen, but to happen quickly, has me worried.

Because it takes time away from town for what is known to be a misslynch. Which REALLY hurts town and makes day 2 effectively a day 1 with better odds.

Oh? What gave you the idea I thought you should be quick lynched?

Thanks for spewing Chill and I Town if you flip red tho

[Quick]

I kind of what to flip Jay.

If they flip scum, it's multiball. Which is good to know.

Bc relationally my scumreads don't make sense together and I have four of them. And it'd be nice to have a chance for them all to be scum at the same time.

What makes you so confident it has to be multiball if Jay flips Scum? My dirty little secret is that I am reading both you and Jay as Scum. Take that fwiw.

[Tchill13]

So let me get this straight. The people that want to Lynch the Miller claim day 1 because it's a sure fire way to get something that works against town?... Then there's the pointless multiball disusssion that doesn't matter until flips prves it is or isn't multiball... The beauty of a Miller quick lynch is we don't talk circles into lynching someone else. I'd rather have a quick lynch on D1 every time because it's our least information day phase. Either way it blows my mind we refuse to Lynch someone that can't make it to lylo. He's literally the only player we have enough proof RIGHT NOW to know he absolutely CAN NOT make it to lylo but hey what do I know?

[Tchill13]

Nobody has taken a hard stance on the matter since I asked. So I'll politely ask again that yall do.

[Tchill13]

I see no reason to poke or prod with a viable Lynch. I've gotten enough info on all the player base except aristo. Those that haven't posted much today are usually low content anyway. I don't getstronge TR's until day 2 or 3. Just another game that people have proven day 1's are for scum to set the table on who to keep alive and who to kill. Day 1's ARE NOT for solving the WHOLE game. Scum benefit from long day 1s. Scum benefit from keeping a Miller alive. I don't know who scum is yet but ik who could be a Miller which is an asset for scum to use. I can't Lynch the claimed Miller by myself.

[UnaBombaH]

My point is that I doubt that this is a multiball. We should assume it isn't because
1. this is a mini as LUV said
2. multiball is unbalanced and not fun
3. that would suck

I love how only 1. has anything to do with reasons why we should assume this isn't multiball!
2. and 3. have no bearing on what setup we are currently playing..

[UnaBombaH]

Actually, I disagree. I think that a better conclusion is that someone defending him is likely scum. I think scum would try to avoid being at the forefront of a miller push; they'd try to hide in the background and look like they were just following and it wasn't their fault.

Yeah, well.. I meant more along the lines of "advocating a lynch because of the miller-claim". That way they don't need to commit to a read, and can remain vague in their stances..

I do however townread you for having opposing opinions and actually bringing them up.

[Tchill13]

As far as actual scum Archie and jaydragonking are leading the way. Something smart and una can be town for now. They're actually having a discussion that would help catch scum unlike the rest of the player base. We will always have to worry about the Miller claim though. You can't guarantee he's town now. There's no way to. That's my issue. We're more likely to lynch town D1 than scum. I don't understand risking the Lynch of a helpful townie mechanically versus a sure fire Lynch that would eliminate a role scum mechanically benefit from. There's no reason to risk that.

[Tchill13]

Tell me someone isn't crazy enough as scum to fake claim Miller on day 1.

[Tchill13]

I'm not letting this one go. Doesn't make sense to.

[UnaBombaH]

Nobody has taken a hard stance on the matter since I asked. So I'll politely ask again that yall do.

I think I see your pov on this subject.
You are "worried" (=don't want to risk) that on a later day we are in a situation where we are still to lynch Esp., but we are getting spread thin and stronger scumreads come and go.
Like, you are afraid that future shenanigans will always re-direct the game and bounce us around from "certain lynch" to another? (because that is how games often go when a skilled scum is holding the reigns)

[Tchill13]

Yes una bomb that's exactly what I'm trying to say. If we have a known threat that needs to be eliminated we eliminate that threat as soon as possible. Key word KNOWN.

[Something_Smart]

Key word "threat".

What exactly does the existence of a miller claim threaten?

[UnaBombaH]

I'm not sure how to communicate this to everyone, but I sort of..know..we shouldn't lynch Esp D1.

I do not claim power (yet), but I just feel like it's obvious..

[Tchill13]

It threatens to be the existence of a scum member? Seriously you can't see that?

[Something_Smart]

But doesn't everyone else?

[Tchill13]

I'm not sure how to communicate this to everyone, but I sort of..know..we shouldn't lynch Esp D1.

I do not claim power (yet), but I just feel like it's obvious..

You shouldn't have said this. It's looking like I'm not gonna have my way and Lynch espionage anyways. He's in no danger yet.

[Tchill13]

So far Everyone else threatens to be a CONFIRMABLE existence of town or scum. You really want to argue technicalities?

[UnaBombaH]

I'll throw you guys a bone: the name of the game..

[Something_Smart]

So far Everyone else threatens to be a CONFIRMABLE existence of town or scum. You really want to argue technicalities?

Are you saying that it's impossible to confirm Espe as one alignment or the other?

Because that's false.

I'll argue technicalities when they make up the entire crux of your argument, sure.