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Post Post #2300  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:28 pm

Oh I forgot to say thank you screenplay for modding! It was fun playing with all of you.

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Post Post #2301  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:28 pm

In post 2298, TwoInAMillion wrote:Well played, FL. I am definately not backing off next time you are scum with me.


meh, you kind of did all you could on that front. i think you were good on that front.

if you rly want to regret something, regret not backing the creature wagon when you could've
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Post Post #2302  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:30 pm

In post 2298, TwoInAMillion wrote:Well played, FL. I am definately not backing off next time you are scum with me.


I actually was able to hide behind your tunnel on me most of the game, and killing you off even if you hadn’t backed down, still would have been the right move.

You were just pushing things that weren’t AI, and it made it easy for me to go against you.

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Post Post #2303  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:32 pm

In post 2295, Antihero wrote:
In post 2285, mhsmith0 wrote:Part of the problem is that towns are so consistently ineffective you need kind of a ridiculous amount of power to be at all competitive...


not really

it's not that town need -ridiculous- power bc they're bad. it's that they need it to balance for scum getting a factional NK, which is crazy powerful even tho no one acknowledges it.


Once you back out the help from PRs, on MS sitewide town lynches at ballpark =rand AT BEST, and I'd actually say it's sub rand. That's consistently bad town play. Theoretically it COULD be good scum play, but by and large scum aren't actually effectively manipulating town and driving mislynches, it's just that townies derp-tunnel each other for dumb reasons, spam the thread with nonsense, and in many cases have literally no clue what kind of behavior is scum-indicative vs town-indicative (not to mention that the replace-out rate in a lot of games is really bad, as "I don't feel like playing this game anymore" becomes a community-accepted reason to replace out; that's more of a "makes it unfun for everyone" rather than a necessarily pro-scum thing, but it overlaps with the lack of commitment and care that causes towns to be fairly consistent garbage).

Part of it is (IMO) consistently mediocre to outright bad IC'ing in the newbie queue, which teaches the next generation of players all sorts of bad habits and bad ideas, and the problem then starts to just reinforce itself.
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Post Post #2304  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:34 pm

In post 2302, Flavor Leaf wrote:You were just pushing things that weren’t AI, and it made it easy for me to go against you.

This, by the way, is I think a good lesson in general.

Being pushed for obviously bad/wrong reasons can, in the hands of competent scum, be a blessing rather than a curse. It gives you something to sink your teeth into, and creates a chance to either drive a wagon on the guy pushing you or discredit the guy pushing you, which said choice depending on what is in scum's tactical best interest.
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Post Post #2305  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:35 pm

In post 2300, Hawk wrote:Oh I forgot to say thank you screenplay for modding! It was fun playing with all of you.

100% this!
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Post Post #2306  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:39 pm

Again thanks everyone for playing.
It went a long ways for it being unbalanced. Lol.
Hope I didn’t fuck up anywhere.
And thanks Assemblerotws for being my backup.
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Post Post #2307  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:40 pm

@Mhsmith0, do I need to do any final things in op?
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Post Post #2308  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:44 pm

quickly eyeballing it not really, other than fixing the color tag.

you could move the last townie to dead because endgamed, but i've seen it either way and it's not actually important.
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Post Post #2309  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:44 pm

In post 2306, Srceenplay wrote:Again thanks everyone for playing.
It went a long ways for it being unbalanced. Lol.
Hope I didn’t fuck up anywhere.
And thanks Assemblerotws for being my backup.

you did great!
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Post Post #2310  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:45 pm

In post 2303, mhsmith0 wrote:Once you back out the help from PRs, on MS sitewide town lynches at ballpark =rand AT BEST, and I'd actually say it's sub rand.


exactly

that's bc scum can make a gamestate where the ppl with the worst reads survive
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Post Post #2311  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:53 pm

I did just lose two scum games in a row, but I’ve been scum like 9 games of my last like 10.

But yeah, I did go like 2 and a half years undefeated as scum, so I do feel like I play well despite people saying I play average.

You can know I’m scum, but if you’re dead, what does that matter? Everything I say as scum generally makes sense, I feel,

The thing is, it’s more of me just hard to lynch, I feel.

I usually don’t get lynched as scum without being guiltied, and recently I feel like everyone’s just paranoid of me being scum, because my town games have been getting affected because of straight tinfoil theory stuff.

I’m good at 1v1’s, and I’m a Mafia team player, where I feel my true scum ability shows in games like BlackVoid’s scum game, or the game I finished recently where I was scum with Tchill and Aristo. Mulch set me up to roll with the game, really with absolutely no interaction with me.

I thought Antihero was the traitor.

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Post Post #2312  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:56 pm

I thought they were good reasons but they obviously weren't. Will have to be more thoughtful of NAI in the future.

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Post Post #2313  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:00 pm

Gj boon

But why the fuck did town Lynch a role copped miller

You've got to be fucking kidding me.

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Post Post #2314  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:01 pm

In post 2244, Hawk wrote:Also sorry for doubting you Chara or being harsh I wanted flavor to bring you into final 3...

i understood before i died. <3 you weren't harsh, i apologize for getting so frustrated.
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Post Post #2315  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:02 pm

In post 2313, Transcend wrote:Gj boon

But why the fuck did town Lynch a role copped miller

You've got to be fucking kidding me.

Me not fact checking my paranoia
I mean you spent a whole game quickhammering town so you have no room to talk
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Post Post #2316  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:02 pm

In post 2311, Flavor Leaf wrote:But yeah, I did go like 2 and a half years undefeated as scum, so I do feel like I play well despite people saying I play average.

I don't think you play average in general. I'm pretty sure anti was also just talking bout this particular game.

I thought this game was maybe slightly above average, but overall I agree you're generally a strong scum player.
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Post Post #2317  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:05 pm

Didn't hammer

I knew smoc was town And i knew i would die at night

I just wanted to leave the game w.o Having my slot replaced.

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Post Post #2318  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:06 pm

In post 2313, Transcend wrote:But why the fuck did town Lynch a role copped miller
:( :( :(
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Post Post #2319  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:07 pm

In post 2317, Transcend wrote:Didn't hammer

I knew smoc was town And i knew i would die at night

I just wanted to leave the game w.o Having my slot replaced.

Not this game I was talking about
Although you did try to defend creature
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Post Post #2320  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:08 pm

To comment on the two scum games in a row I lost, one of them I didn’t even really play much, and my scum member forfeited. A scum team member was prematurely flipped before being L-1, and a comment was shown that incriminated us as scum that i asked to be taken down, and wasn’t, which Mulch then brought up for the exact reason, and the second scum loss was a loss, but I thought I played really well in that one. :lol:

I’m sick of being scum, to be honest. I’ve had like 8 scum games in the past 9 or 10 games.

And if you read me as scum, there’s a reason you were dead. I can be as obvious to you as I want, but if you’re dead it doesn’t matter.

I personally feel I’m a stronger town player than scum, but people are just always ultra paranoid of me being scum now, so my town game is taking a hit so I’ve been changing up my scum play every game.

This was a pretty small effort scum game for me, but if it was a larger effort, I don’t think it would have had the same result, if that makes sense.

I’m strongest when I can mastermind and control the game, and I couldn’t mastermind here.

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Post Post #2321  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:10 pm

In post 2316, Fro99er wrote:
In post 2311, Flavor Leaf wrote:But yeah, I did go like 2 and a half years undefeated as scum, so I do feel like I play well despite people saying I play average.

I don't think you play average in general. I'm pretty sure anti was also just talking bout this particular game.

I thought this game was maybe slightly above average, but overall I agree you're generally a strong scum player.


This game was hard, haha. I couldn’t takeover and it had a strong town player list.

You seem to peg me correctly nearly every single game, and I hate it. :lol:

You should play with RC and I, have him learn how to town read me.

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Post Post #2322  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:18 pm

In post 2313, Transcend wrote:Gj boon

But why the fuck did town Lynch a role copped miller

You've got to be fucking kidding me.


Happy scum day!

I almost brought up you saying miller claim should never be left alive to the end from Day 1.

I planned on killing you before you asked to be killed, and I thought I was being a pal by killing you off.

You’re also one of the few players on site I have trouble 1 on 1’ing.

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Post Post #2323  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:21 pm

In post 2284, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2282, Fro99er wrote:
In post 2281, Flavor Leaf wrote:Also, I literally said “did we really get double guiltied? If Mulch tracked you...” in the neighborhood, when I meant to say that to Creature.

:lol:


It’s a big reason I didn’t want Chara in the neighborhood. :lol:

manipulating the neighbourhood was why i kept coming back to scum you, but i never got anything definitive down. damn.
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Post Post #2324  (ISO)  » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:26 pm

In post 2323, Chara wrote:
In post 2284, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2282, Fro99er wrote:
In post 2281, Flavor Leaf wrote:Also, I literally said “did we really get double guiltied? If Mulch tracked you...” in the neighborhood, when I meant to say that to Creature.

:lol:


It’s a big reason I didn’t want Chara in the neighborhood. :lol:

manipulating the neighbourhood was why i kept coming back to scum you, but i never got anything definitive down. damn.


Gamma gave me the opening to go for the lynch on Hawk before Sheep was lynched, and I was already planning on killing you and bringing them into the final 3. I almost *almost* no killed, but that’s a real typical Boon move.

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