Mini Normal 2009: Day 6

[Not_Mafia]

I still wanna no lynch

[profii]

Looks like no lynch today.

Hopefully we get a cross kill tonight

[UnaBombaH]

Fine.
I have more time after the weekend anyway.
If the game ends during the night, fck setup-balancing.

VOTE: NO LYNCH

[profii]

Deadline passed anyway

[profii]

But I’m pretty sure this comes down to night actions anyway

[Nexus]

Votecount 5.3:

No Lynch (1)

- UnaBombaH

UnaBombaH (1)

- profii

Not voting (2)

- Not_Mafia, Mathdino,

With 4 alive it takes 3 to lynch. Deadline is at 3pm BST on Saturday 23rd June 2018 (expired on 2018-06-23 15:00:00)

No lynch has been achieved. Night Actions are due in by Tuesday 26th June 2018 at 17.00 BST. (expired on 2018-06-26 17:00:00)

[Nexus]

If I get 4 accelerate night PMs I will do so

[Nexus]

Not_Mafia - Town Mason Universal Back-Up (Even Night Commuter) - killed Night 5

Day 6 now begins. Will end in 7 days, at 8pm BST on Sunday 1st July 2018 (expired on 2018-07-01 20:00:00)

[profii]

Intent to vote Una, Cross vote?


Math - ask away and I’ll answer anything you like

[Mathdino]

I'll let you know when I have something to ask

This is honestly probably just gonna turn into a metadive

I no longer believe you shifting to hard defend Not_Mafia is alignment indicative

[profii]

What do you mean hard defend not maf he has been an inno for ages

[profii]

Whilst I look forward to finding out how Una is going to try and deal with this...

If you are meta diving I would suggest looking at my wiki for games where I went most of the distance and try to work out mechanics and so on towards the end and it should show I’m town enough

Also in this game hopefully you pointing out this is 13p and me coming on board with your 2 shot claim should be a clue town credentials


I wanted Una to think there was a SK and shoot you to leave NM here but I guess that was probably futile

[Mathdino]

If you wanted to do a fake out why did you vote me and say you'd vote no one else

[profii]

That was pre your 13p point clicking with me off the top of my head

Once the penny dropped I figured I’d run with it when Una did that post saying “is profii that good” - I thought maybe there was some doubt to play on to try and get him to shoot you

[UnaBombaH]

Your explanations are getting stale profii..
VOTE: profii
Like said, I'm ready to lose to the VERY VERY UNLIKELY SK!Dino here already.

..and it's a real shame if you ever thought I'd be voting Dino in this situation. Your "fake-suspicion" in an attempt to "bait" me was in truth exactly what it really looked like - you trying to softly push for him as a secondary option for a lynch.

[profii]

VOTE: Una

not vote today, kill at night last night, but you knew that

I'm going to ISO dive you at some point to see if I can catch you out but will be busy today.

[Mathdino]

Etc etc

[UnaBombaH]

@Dino - I've survived three days of alcohol abuse, and should be able to answer to any questions/case you would like to propose.
I'm also going to outline my own trajectory towards profii AND THE WHOLE SCUMTEAM during this game, propably sometime today/tomorrow.
I do think profii is more or less obviously the scum if you look at the big picture.
I'm also a bit annoyed by the fact that I called the whole scumteam before guys like Gus and Morality, and will propably not get any credit for it..especially if you hand him the win here!
I would've also made too many suboptimal and uncharacteristic kills, TWO VERY RISKY AND OBVIOUS BUSSES and all in all made so many suboptimal pushes/plays as scum here, that the slight arrogance within me makes me want to say that "I'm better than that".

Please be every bit of that amazing scumhunter I know you can be here. I'll try to do my best to offer something other than WIFOM and AtE later when I get to a computer, but know that I'll be legit pissed if you make the wrong decision here!
Not something I'd usually say in LyLo to the one holding the hammer, but I hate the idea we might still lose this.

[UnaBombaH]

/vent

[profii]

Previously on mini normal 2009:

Episode 1: there was some dice rolling.

Una said:

I found the diceroll outright scummy myself,

Profii said:

usually dice is against rules, right? - could suggest CoA is using it to see if anyone tries to “death by rules” her - ie the case would be a scum player might try to do this to whittle down the pack without even having to misdirect town at a mislynch but no one “fell” for that reaction test

Arguably, whilst we didn't get into the semantics of rules, Una did call the dice roll scummy, so I was nearly right.


Episode 2: We stalled on the texcat lynch

Profii said:

We have 4 and a half days ish to go.
I’m really going to need more to be convinced to vote Texcat

Una said:

Same here..

Episode 2 was actually a 2 part cliffhanger when we had reasons for actually both of us ending up on the Texcat lynch.
Una said: 586 I'd rather lynch a claimed Doc, than no lynch here..so much for bussing N_M for towncred..
Profii said: 597 enables our PRs to move away from the tex dilemma. Also as per 495 we were very close to getting a no lynch.
I think 683 is a summary of my reasons that it moves people out of the tex tunnel and enabled us to move on in day 2 more easily so it was a greater good lynch.

Overall, it's notable that there is a lack of real justification from Una, might want to be avoiding the subject on that one.


Episode 3: Profii Vs Una

474 - I thought N_M was scum for super tunnelling Tex, I thought Tex was town, so just assumed N_M was scum for tunnelling, I wasn't that super familiar with this element of his play up until this game, so I think that post 474 indicates Una "knew" tex would flip town. I guess you could argue I did too so there is some wifom
Anyway, Una responded in 879 and didn't really give me a lot of meat on the bone I would say - also, he explains the point about lynching a PR over a no lynch. I still don't like it so im presenting it in my evidence here.


anyway, that's as far as I can get for now due to work, so I'll pick up later. I think the next stage is where I pushed a bit more on Wilky and Una, Wilky became more obvious scum so I gave Una a bit of space but that was a mistake.

I'll be back


side notes:

270 It's hard to explain but Una has been giving a vibe of "it could be this, it could be this" which - sure might just be wiggle room later,
296 Morality picked up on the above too
288 - buddying up to my awful lynchpool

[profii]

I'm also a bit annoyed by the fact that I called the whole scumteam before guys like Gus and Morality, and will propably not get any credit for it..especially if you hand him the win here!

Interesting that you are claiming credit here when you also said this in this game:

But I'd be willing to bet you will never find me saying "I told you he was town" on this site - no matter the alignment. I would never parade a "townread" out loud as scum, because I'm really always a paranoid mofo..

there are a number of examples of you being wise after the fact in this game though, which makes sense for a scum player.


Just incase Math doesn't specifically, ask, the question I would like you to answer is early in the game you had a fairly solid town read on me, but obviously now you are scum-reading me somewhat. Can you define at what point in this game that read changed from town to scum?

[UnaBombaH]

Been super busy at work, and consequently very tired afterwards for two days now.
I have a shorter day booked for tomorrow, and a day off for thursday, so I'll be able to make longer ISO-work at least before weekend.
If you have questions for me before that, and they are short enough to answer, I can obviously answer those during work.

[Mathdino]

I probably won't
Sorry if this is a lame lylo
I'm here because I haven't read the thread

Been busy, will be able to in the next few days

[UnaBombaH]

there are a number of examples of you being wise after the fact in this game though, which makes sense for a scum player.

How have I exactly been "wise after the fact"?
Point me to a specific example and I'll admit to have been wrong.
I'd bet I haven't, but memory can be deceited..

It's hard to explain but Una has been giving a vibe of "it could be this, it could be this" which - sure might just be wiggle room later,

A bad habit of mine.

But I'd be willing to bet you will never find me saying "I told you he was town" on this site - no matter the alignment. I would never parade a "townread" out loud as scum, because I'm really always a paranoid mofo..

So if you think my "wiggling" is bad townplay, then you'd rate me as a bad townplayer overall..

Now even THIS wasn't the full context of that bolded part, but it helps a bit.
So what you tried to twist into scum!Una is actually a great example of me being consistent with my words!

It means that

ASSUMING

I was ever not a part of a wagon that gets pushed through,

and it turns out to be a mislynch

, I don't think I'd ever be parading the fact in the sense of

"I told you so".

What I also meant with the latter part, was that

ESPECIALLY AS SCUM

, I'd be afraid to fake a solid townread on anyone, because I'm easily drowned in paranoia as town.
So to keep my play consistent, I would make sure to pretend I'm paranoid as scum too!

And to me there's a notable difference between saying "I told you he was going to flip town" and "I tried to tell you all they were scum".
My townreads are rarely solid enough for me to feel good about bragging "the day after", but there have been times when my scumreads have been on point, and I have felt salty because I haven't been able to convince the rest of the town OR someone else has taken the credit for the pushes.
Guess I have SOME pride within me after all, although I like to say I don't..

[UnaBombaH]

Just incase Math doesn't specifically, ask, the question I would like you to answer is early in the game you had a fairly solid town read on me, but obviously now you are scum-reading me somewhat. Can you define at what point in this game that read changed from town to scum?

I propably can whenever I have the time to dive into my own ISO.
I can't remember it outright, of course, but I'm certain my progression on you should be visible.
Likely a combination of PoE and all those WIFOM-y speculations you brought to the game before D4..