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@Tchill, I've been totally open on how crazy the past couple weeks have been. Wednesday was a 14 hour work day. Yesterday was a little shorter but sill more than 8.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- Flavor Leaf
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Town reading Unah/Dave/CT.
Leaves the other 4. Not entirely sure the combination, tbh, but like 3/4 of them.
Sure, there are scenarios I can see where I’m wrong about some of my town reads, but I feel they’re Darby less likely.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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CT's assumption that scum knew Gamma's role is horrible. We have no information suggesting that's the case, and it's a totally valid strategy to kill someone who is townread. FL carried some scum equity from the gamibt so if he's town I could see scum leaving him alive. I'm very much a possible ML target for lurking so scum have no reason to kill me. Lurkers in general are ML targets if they're town, so leave out Reundo and Nonny too. Once you start identifying kills that are potentially worse than Gamma, the more it seems unlikely that scum knew his role and more likely he was just a priority to NK because there are better mislynches available.
What would take more reading would be finding outwhyCT's making that assumption. The stated reasons don't make a lot of sense to me.
I do dig the idea of VT trying to draw a nk for a possible watcher / tracker. And claiming to attempt to avoid lynch is something that I can see fitting CT's apparent personality from the previous game. So if the even night doc -> VT claim is real it's likely to be town motivation. Not enough to conftown but likely.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- Completly Trustworthy
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The reason why I assumed that Gamma's role was known to the scum at first is because I generally expect the scumteam to prefer killing PR's over vanilla townies. I normally wouldn't expect to scumteam to overlook a PR claim and kill someone else who is likely to be a VT. However, I can see why you think differently Dave. Perhaps the point of the kill was to get rid of a widely townread player while keeping around a lot of mislynches.- Completly Trustworthy
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Also, I didn't like the fact that Nonny said their vote wouldn't look like OMGUS. If she had voted right then, would anyone have thought of that as an OMGUS vote? That and their insistence in 499 that they weren't using ATE seem to me like her being overly self-conscious about what others think of her.- Completly Trustworthy
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I said it would look like omgus but wasn’t coming from that place. I am self conscious as a person and it leaks into all of my games, look at any of the newbie game I’ve played since July, not purposeful but just real life character flaw the leaches into my game play.In post 605, Completly Trustworthy wrote:Also, I didn't like the fact that Nonny said their vote wouldn't look like OMGUS. If she had voted right then, would anyone have thought of that as an OMGUS vote? That and their insistence in 499 that they weren't using ATE seem to me like her being overly self-conscious about what others think of her.
Dave’s post re:CT gambit claim I can see and better explains CT’s possible intention but still not sure I like the whole scenario.
FL can you say more on your Dave read?*insert bad joke here*- Flavor Leaf
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Hmm. Idk. Generally he’s not really on my radar until he doesn’t in games. He was scum in one of my stronger town games, and I caught him out without him even really putting any sort of fight.In post 606, Completly Trustworthy wrote:Flavor Leaf, why do you think that Davesaz typically lurks? In my most recent game, HMS Erebus, he was one of the more active players.
Unah, you were scum that game. Remember? You were traitor and early day 1 you were super town read and i was like nah.
Then you got shot, but i used your posts to find Dave and the other scum partner.
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I had even posted my liking of Dave’s posts since yesterday. I feel we’d been pretty linked up, so i felt w43 coming from the same town perspective.In post 482, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 473, davesaz wrote:
This could be scum trying to check whether it's safe to lie or not.In post 232, nonny wrote:
You don’t have to say names but do you know which two?In post 231, Flavor Leaf wrote:
But it makes sense.In post 229, Flavor Leaf wrote:Not gonna lie, I’m pretty pissed about that night kill.
Which is why this next part is gonna be fun.
I’m an odd night watcher. 2 people targeted Profii last night.
I am disappoint. Very disappointed.
Yeah, i thought this as well.
This is the most work I’ve ever seen Dave do, for what it’s worth. I’ve seen him as scum more often than town, too.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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He was also analyzing a lot of FA and nonny yesterday, and I took notice of all that and was interested in responses.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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FA doesn't seem to be following through on anything.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- davesaz
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I don't think Reundo answered the question in 475 but he's VLA so guess I'll probably be waiting on that.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- Completly Trustworthy
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Who's town?In post 577, FA_Q2 wrote: Scum is ct/una
He only commented on one post from each... I wouldn't consider that "a lot" of analysis.In post 610, Flavor Leaf wrote:He was also analyzing a lot of FA and nonny yesterday, and I took notice of all that and was interested in responses.
You linked the wrong post here... I'm pretty sure you're talking about my wilky vote? It was because all of his contributions were sparse and lazy -- I think he only threw out one scum-read and two town-reads the whole game, and they weren't supported by more than a sentence or two. You also said that it "wasn't clear" who I'd rather see lynched over Tchill at the time, but I actually don't see how it's unclear at all, considering I've stated/implied wilky/nonny as scum-reads and tchill as null multiple times. I'm not going to restate my reads every time I vote someone.In post 613, davesaz wrote:I don't think Reundo answered the question in 475 but he's VLA so guess I'll probably be waiting on that.
@nonny, when you get around to your reread, can you make a readslist? I haven't seen a lot of reads from you, and even less explanation of said reads.- davesaz
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Yes, it was 474. I had asked that question to find out if "other people" were the ones you had voted (Nonny, Wilky) or someone else. I probably glazed the block of text in the post that Tchill was replying to.
Do you still SR Tchill btw?
I too thought Flavor Leaf's reply was a little shallow but he's my strongest TR. But here's a followup on that topic, I'm curious whether you're taking FL's word for what I've been doing or if you actually know yourself.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord- Flavor Leaf
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Eh, it was enough, or strong enough on point to what I felt exactly, so I felt a sense of mindmelding. Plenty of things that lead me to believe that, more of a timing, and this is the first time I’ve ever felt like Dave and I are on the same page analytically.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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@Unah - Wifoming scum with this one, but I’m trusting you with it. No further comments shall be made with this, as it makes it irrelevant.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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I was just about to suggest something like this to you, but I hear you loud and clear!In post 618, Flavor Leaf wrote:@Unah - Wifoming scum with this one, but I’m trusting you with it. No further comments shall be made with this, as it makes it irrelevant.
Let's focus on who to lynch today instead then.
If I'm reading this situation correctly, we more or less have to land a scum!lynch today or we lose.
Giving us something like a ~20% chance to survive one more day with a mislynch today..depending how good I am with my guesses.
Which lynch feels like the safest to everyone?
I'm really finding it hard to shake my suspicions towards CT+Chill.
Every post from either of them today has only strengthened my pairing-read of them.
And if I've understood correctly, Chill "scumreads" CT and CT now "scumreads" Chill?
Unless I'm absolutely wrong with thoughts here, I'd say there's close to a 100% chance at least one of them is scum!
Because the way I see it, it's either that they are both scum and trying to do their best to distance, or one of them is scum, and doing their best to tie in with the other to maybe get a mislynch on them tomorrow..
Does that make sense to anyone else?
And if it does, let's assume one of them is town.Which of them?"If Unah’s scum, consider me a random $20 on the ground, cuz I am pocketed."
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I know it would be silly to ask of you whether you agree with my scumread on you two, but I'll phrase it like this:In post 621, Tchill13 wrote:Somebody say something I want to see takes on unas idea lol.are you objectively able to see where I'm coming from?"If Unah’s scum, consider me a random $20 on the ground, cuz I am pocketed."
-Flavor Leaf to scum!Una- Completly Trustworthy
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I personally think the idea of me reversing my claim to protect Tchill13 is quite silly. There is quite likely a protective role in the setup as Una said earlier and roleblocker is a common scum role. Therefore; undoing my claim wouldn't prove Tchill innocent if I'm scum since a future roleblocker flip or protective claim would uncomfirm him as town. Also, going into this day, there were five people(me, Nonny, FA, Reundo, and Davesaz) who I think seemed more likely to get lynched than him. It's bad strategy to temporarily clear a member of the scumteam who is already in a decent position at the cost of making someone else in it look really suspicious, increasing the chance of a scum lynch.- Tchill13
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You're paranoid as hell but yes I see why you'd think something like that. Has a little to do with conf bias and a lot to do with meta imo.In post 622, UnaBombaH wrote:
I know it would be silly to ask of you whether you agree with my scumread on you two, but I'll phrase it like this:In post 621, Tchill13 wrote:Somebody say something I want to see takes on unas idea lol.are you objectively able to see where I'm coming from? - Tchill13
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