Mini Normal 2060: World Architecture [Endgame]


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Post Post #2250 (ISO) » Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:19 pm

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Well done Scum.
Thanks for the game all and thanks for modding NLG
I claim scum \o/
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Post Post #2251 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:33 am

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In post 2202, PenguinPower wrote:I have thoughts...

I will keep most of them to myself.
I won't! :twisted: I have some thank yous to give out:

Thanks to Enter and NM for claiming without reason. That's two games I've played with Enter in which he was town PR and couldn't keep it to himself.

Thanks to Jibril for fake claiming without reason. In some ways this made our job harder. Since you were parked on Tchill, I had to do the kills, which meant I couldn't neighborize and needed excuses. That line of analysis was mentioned a few times but never gained traction. But in other ways, it made our job easier. Penguin was parked on you, so we were free to kill other wise. And, lies usually catch up and make for an easier mislynch.

Sorry if that's a bit harsh, but I'd really like to see towns improve. They can improve by:
- Not claiming unnecessarily.
- Not fake claiming.

This stuff used to be common wisdom on the site.

Winning town mafia generally isn't a sexy game of gambits. It's following the conventional wisdom and doing things by the book. Don't lie. Obvtown yourself so scum can be caught through PoE. Do some VCA and NKA.

If that's gotten boring and you need gambits to be entertained - take a break and come back in six months. The tried and true methods will be fun again.

A few other notes:

Good setup. At first I thought it was another town-sided setup, but that turned out to be Jibril's fake claim.

Tchill - nice playing with you. :D Personally I thought you were scummy af D1 and D2, then smooth as silk for the rest of the game. Reminds me of something I read in a mastina article - put more weight on early actions, because scum can adapt and play better as the game progresses and they see the dynamics.

Dr Worm - I think you're hilarious, but that type of humor is best in small doses. I suggest you take a break from that account for a few months then come back for a game or two.
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Post Post #2252 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:34 am

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In post 2211, Flavor Leaf wrote:I knew something was off the second Vedith like spewed town to me. I shouldn’t have hammered Jibril.

I KNEW she was town, and I doubted it for like a second.
Hopefully our taunting you had an influence. :twisted:
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Post Post #2253 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:36 am

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In post 2219, Tchill13 wrote:Thanks for the compliment in the mod thread mastina. May not agree with the conversation we had on setup but ik you're a well known player here and always respect your opinion.
Yeah, towns would do a lot better if they'd go and read her primers.
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Post Post #2254 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:37 am

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In post 2223, Tchill13 wrote:No need for all the claims d1. No need for a fake jail keeper gambit. Those 2 things hurt town more than anything imo.
Yep.
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Post Post #2255 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:38 am

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In post 2225, Tchill13 wrote:At one point he stated scum tchill always gets in an argument with him. Simply because of that statement I avoided an argument this game.
LOL yeah we didn't discuss that in PT but I noticed that line too and figured you were using it to advantage.
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Post Post #2256 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:39 am

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In post 2226, Tchill13 wrote:I touched on issues town has on this site in the scum thread.

It's getting out of control. It'll never be fixed due to ego unless site wide trends begin to punish those that play a certain way. Which will probably never happen.

I understand mods are TRYING to fix it with giving town more power...

That's not the answer for players that refuse to play as town In a consistently positive way that is beneficial for the GROUP opposed to the individual "hero".
Can't be said enough.
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Post Post #2257 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:40 am

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In post 2227, Not_Mafia wrote:I never claimed cop btw
No, but you claimed a PR, and it got you killed.
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Post Post #2258 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:42 am

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In post 2237, northsidegal wrote:just so you know, had you gone ahead and claimed goon cop you would have confscummed yourself – goon cop is not a whitelisted role for normal games.
Actually it's doubtful anyone would have noticed.
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Post Post #2259 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:43 am

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BTW at one point I almost did scum slip. I almost said that we know there's a watcher because of the Informed. Fortunately I went to the thread flip to double check the wording, and saw that it was redacted.
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Post Post #2260 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:59 am

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Whew glad you didn't lol.

Yeah pers I'm pretty sure we'd get along in just about any game.

I actually believe I read a mastina article on how to scum hunt and I just based my entire scum game on doing the opposite of whatever that article said scum would do lol.
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Post Post #2261 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:07 am

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Yeah I actually really liked the setup idea NSG. Neighborizer and PT cop was cool.
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Post Post #2262 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:04 am

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In post 2261, Tchill13 wrote:Yeah I actually really liked the setup idea NSG. Neighborizer and PT cop was cool.
Only thing I would change would be that the informed should have given the PT cop instead of watcher. That could have led to some interesting strategy with the neighborizer. In the end I don't think scum neighborizer can really frame anyone, but still it would be interesting.
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Post Post #2263 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:06 am

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If anyone wants to play again, I'm currently in queue for this game:
viewtopic.php?p=10840699#p10840699

Five slots left.
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Post Post #2264 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:31 am

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Fascinating. I was right on PP too. Well, that was more of a gut read but yk
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Post Post #2265 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:12 am

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Wait, no I wasn't.

What gave me the idea I was?
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Post Post #2266 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:25 am

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Yeah. Shoulda read more closely what happens for normals. I saw normal and assumed just vts and mafia,lol
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Post Post #2267 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:26 am

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Maybe a cop or something but I was just kinda planning on not rolling that
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Post Post #2268 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:36 am

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In post 2232, Flavor Leaf wrote:I’m trying to have a strong town game this year. That’s where my focus is gonna be.

I feel I played pretty well here for the most part.

I messed up with Sad Sheep.
:cry:

also i feel like youre trying to have a powerful scum game this year too...!
In post 2225, Tchill13 wrote:I'll never talk about him in a negative way due to the fact that not only did he mod most of my first few games but I just enjoy playing with or against him here as well. PP is also a player I enjoy on site. Pers and SS maybe new additions to that lists and ik everyone can't play their best every game so it's not like I'm writing off other players immediately. I just liked SS and Pers based off this game.
+1
i really dont like that people didnt pursue the "pers targeted chill but chill got nothing"...1 of them shouldve been lynched for that ordeal...
In post 2218, Tchill13 wrote:Well I gained a lot of respect for Sad sheep after browsing the dead thread. I liked his comments a lot.

I appreciate you saying we earned it PP. I'm one of those ppl that believe scum never really win the game town just decides whether they win or lose.
yeah i think scum earned this win too...despite there were some really questionable town plays . chill your scum game has improved dramatically and im impressed.
slaax & ved im sorry for scumreading you guys so much...sigh
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Post Post #2269 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:44 am

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In post 2233, Flavor Leaf wrote:I like giving scum some negative utility in setup, but I like daytalk.
me too!

also very sad that people didnt believe me scumreading pers so much on day 1......! :cry:
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Post Post #2270 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:09 am

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I believe you seen me play a game I never got back into once losing interest SS. I had lost interest the first 2 days but did catch up this game.

I'm also unsure why nobody persued the fact that I didn't get in the neighborhood. My number one concern coming into lylo was explaining that. Nobody even bothered.
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Post Post #2271 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:14 am

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Literally only claimed because crumbing twice wasn't good enough people were still pushing my lynch when I was one of the townies players in the game, this is pretty different from prey, which was me making absolutely stupid decisions- not claiming here probably could have been achieved but it wasn't braindead the way prey was.
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Post Post #2272 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:16 am

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Prey was pretty much only my fault, I should have just handled BEF better. This game was just a garbage fire day 1 that lead to really stupid pushes like the push on me. :/ not saying I didn't handle it less than optimally, just saying that I resent implications that this is solely my fault or even that I take a large share of the blame
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Post Post #2273 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:33 am

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In post 2270, Tchill13 wrote:I believe you seen me play a game I never got back into once losing interest SS. I had lost interest the first 2 days but did catch up this game.

I'm also unsure why nobody persued the fact that I didn't get in the neighborhood. My number one concern coming into lylo was explaining that. Nobody even bothered.
I kept trying.

No one answered me.
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Post Post #2274 (ISO) » Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:36 am

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In post 1601, Flavor Leaf wrote:Can we talk about the fact that tchill didn’t get into the neighborhood despite Persivul using the action.

:sad:
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