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Thanks for the compliment by the way.In post 3919, PenguinPower wrote:Key learning: Never lynch PP
I'm sorry I had to do it to you. Death to birds. I would have bussed Oka if it weren't for those meddling townies!!- OkaPoka
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It worked out OK for me...In post 3920, Flavor Leaf wrote:And Never Lynch FL- OkaPoka
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I'm still in shock that no one else picked up on the oozing scumminess that was your posting as soon as I went tunnel-mode. Twas fairly blatant.In post 3926, nomnomnom wrote:
Thanks for the compliment by the way.In post 3919, PenguinPower wrote:Key learning: Never lynch PP
I'm sorry I had to do it to you. Death to birds. I would have bussed Oka if it weren't for those meddling townies!!<(") | (")>- nomnomnom
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I prefer to see it that I was indeed very scummy but that people townread FL more and that I was playing a very dangerous political game that would be risky to play as scum so they defaulted to you. I think a lot of what I do as scum is very scummy but that it somehow gets a pass due to game circumstances. I feel that's what you need to do as scum anywayIn post 3930, PenguinPower wrote:
I'm still in shock that no one else picked up on the oozing scumminess that was your posting as soon as I went tunnel-mode. Twas fairly blatant.In post 3926, nomnomnom wrote:
Thanks for the compliment by the way.In post 3919, PenguinPower wrote:Key learning: Never lynch PP
I'm sorry I had to do it to you. Death to birds. I would have bussed Oka if it weren't for those meddling townies!!- Persivul
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You had me at 3742/3743, but then you sold through the close, which I was counting on. But the way Ircher was sticking to his Oka read, it might not have mattered anyway.In post 3922, Flavor Leaf wrote:Idk, I really felt we had it that final day, which is where it mattered the most, but that second of doubt in Ircher mixed with Persivul active lurking got it.- PenguinPower
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If they were scumreading him we would have ended in the same situation except I had even more room to get away with stuff so I'd say this was the least horrible scenario out of the two, even if that made FL and PK look very bad in terms of associations and make Oka look very good. So yeahIn post 3933, PenguinPower wrote:I'm also shocked that people were townreading FL, but we were cross-tunneling sooooooo- mastina
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12p is a lot more scumsided than 13p if there are 3 groupscum. Town needed every bit of power they got this game. A limited investigative, a limited killing role (or protective), and a couple of kill denial methods would almost be balanced in 13p. Almost. It'd be a bit townsided potentially, but it'd be certainly not overwhelming.In post 3896, OkaPoka wrote:dear mastina why !?@!#
also can u seize control of the nrg and release like more game reviews i think they r interesting and i couldnt find how 12p are balanced
In 12p, that same setup becomes balanced, or if anything, light in town power. (The Informed makes the final difference in preventing it from being scumsided.)- nomnomnom
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Aside from balance I think it was very frustrating to play against and it resulted in a situation where scums needed to throw a dice to land a successful kill on the protectives to advance the game, because any other kill would significantly reduce the PoE. Just my two cents. Two mislynches isn't nothing and the margin of error for scums was very low, and it was honestly very frustrating to see the 2 last failed kills not go through (the first kill is expected from a game with a doctor in it).In post 3935, mastina wrote:
12p is a lot more scumsided than 13p if there are 3 groupscum. Town needed every bit of power they got this game. A limited investigative, a limited killing role (or protective), and a couple of kill denial methods would almost be balanced in 13p. Almost. It'd be a bit townsided potentially, but it'd be certainly not overwhelming.In post 3896, OkaPoka wrote:dear mastina why !?@!#
also can u seize control of the nrg and release like more game reviews i think they r interesting and i couldnt find how 12p are balanced
In 12p, that same setup becomes balanced, or if anything, light in town power. (The Informed makes the final difference in preventing it from being scumsided.)- Persivul
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I also think the potential to be completely locked from the JK was very high in this game. When I was lynched, a failed kill with a locked Persi or Oka would have just sealed the game right on the spot. I just think that we could have used something a bit more relevant than Oka's role, or my role, even if way less powerful. I recognize the value in a tracker in this setup but I think I would have perhaps preferred something more appropriate? Just my two cents.
In any case I'd love to see the review thread, if possible.- OkaPoka
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I definitely see this game as still scumsided than townsided.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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But still close to down the middle.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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I think the real problem was the fact there was two (technically three) protectives rather than one. Though it is not broken to have jailkeeper + doctor together in a setup, it does lead to WIFOM when scum are performing the night kill as to who to shoot after massclaim.
I think the setup was overall balanced by the fact mafia could find town PRs easier, and the main misfortune for them was not guessing correctly on who to kill each night.- nomnomnom
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In post 3941, Flavor Leaf wrote:I definitely see this game as still scumsided than townsided.
Idk it reads as more swingy than anything since the amount of mislynches scum needs can vary drastically with this much protective power in the gameIn post 3942, Flavor Leaf wrote:But still close to down the middle.
Requiring 5 mislynches in a mini game is kind of insane, especially when you factor in that they went into the game needing three, that's a huge blow to morale- Niko
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