Mini 594 - Satin Doll Showdown - {GAME OVER}

[Tarhalindur]

/prodded (stupid finals), time to try to get this game moving.

I find Erg0's post 68 and Ether's post 73 to be scummy. Ether's 73 reads to me as a veiled attack on Erg0 (by claiming to find something scummy using weak language and backtracking immediately thereafter). Erg0's 78, however, is worse - it looks to me like Erg0's mainly summarizing other peoples' posts and discussing theory without actually showing much personal insight. That looks like IIoA to me (Tar Standard Tell), and at this point in the game it's enough to earn my vote.

Unvote, Vote: Erg0, FoS: Ether

[Erg0]

I assume you mean my post 68, in which case you apparently forgot to read the last paragraph.

[Patrick]

I got a relatively protown vibe from 68 actually. It seemed more opinions than theory to me.

[MafiaSSK]

/prodded (stupid finals), time to try to get this game moving.

I find Erg0's post 68 and Ether's post 73 to be scummy. Ether's 73 reads to me as a veiled attack on Erg0 (by claiming to find something scummy using weak language and backtracking immediately thereafter). Erg0's 78, however, is worse - it looks to me like Erg0's mainly summarizing other peoples' posts and discussing theory without actually showing much personal insight. That looks like IIoA to me (Tar Standard Tell), and at this point in the game it's enough to earn my vote.
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Why is discussing theory without showing person insight scummy?

[Glork]

Early Protown Indicators: Erg0, Ether, Glork, Mizzy

Unvote, Vote: PokerFace

[Glork]

Why is discussing theory without showing person insight scummy?

It implies that you're appearing to contribute without actually helping to hunt for scums.

[Mizzy]

The random phase really didn't last that long, so there's no reason for me to still have a vote out there at the moment.

Unvote.

I'm mainly just sitting back with some popcorn and watching the whole Ether <--> Glork thing going on. Neither of one of them are acting out of character, I think, so as of yet, I have no opinions on who is scummy.

[Incognito]

I find hasdgfas's explanation acceptable. I think he clearly demonstrated why he thought mine and Ether's votes and reasons for voting were different and therefore, I don't think there was an inconsistency in his FoS choice as I initially thought there was.

Early Protown Indicators: Erg0, Ether, Glork, Mizzy

What is it about Mizzy's contribution so far that gives you an early pro-town indicator?

[OhGodMyLife]

3rd vote count

Erg0 - 3 (Incognito, MafiaSSK, Tarhalindur)
PokerFace - 2 (hasdgfas, Glork)
MafiaSSK - 1 (Erg0)
hasdgfas - 1 (scotmany12)
Ether - 1 (Patrick)
Glork - 1 (Ether)
Mizzy - 1 (PokerFace)

Not Voting - 2 (rolandgarros, Mizzy)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Current deadline: May 26th, 1:00 PM EST

[Glork]

idk... gut?

[Incognito]

idk... gut?

Interesting.

Unvote; Vote: Glork

Certain things just aren't adding up. Previously you mentioned the following:

Point: Incognito.


Hascow? Response?

I took the above to mean that I had done something within thread that lead you to believe that I was likely pro-town. However in your recent "Early Protown Indicator" list, I remained unlisted (unlike your gut-feeling on Mizzy) which would indicate that your post 60 didn't mean what I thought it did. And since it didn't mean that, it really does look like you were "goading hasdgfas and me from the sidelines" like Erg0 mentioned in Post 68.

What exactly did "Point: Incognito" mean?

[rolandgarros]

Okay I'm here, I just reread the topic and I think I have an okay understanding of what's gone on so far... Theres the random or not random vote thing with Glork and Ether, and something about Hascow suspecting Ether and a page or so on that issue. Is there something I missed in between? AP Exams are done for this week so I'd figure that I do some catching up.

[Patrick]

Okay I'm here, I just reread the topic and I think I have an okay understanding of what's gone on so far... Theres the random or not random vote thing with Glork and Ether, and something about Hascow suspecting Ether and a page or so on that issue. Is there something I missed in between?

This is kind of a bizarre question when the thread is only 4 pages and you've just read it all. Importantly, do you have any opinions on the stuff that's happened so far?

[Glork]

Making a point does not, by any means, make someone more or less likely to be protown. I can name dozens of players who can play extremely logical, thoughtful games as scum.

"Point: Incognito" means exactly what it sounds like it should mean. You made a valid point that took away from whatever argument has seemed to be making at the time. And I wanted Has to respond to your question.

[Mizzy]

Quick update on my thoughts: After looking back over the few posts Ether has made so far, I get a pro-town read of her. She's acting (so far) like I would expect an Ethertown to act. Granted, we're only on page 4. But I don't think that her stretching on Glork makes her scummy, yet.

[Ether]

She's acting

(so far)

like I would expect an Ethertown to act.

Granted, we're only on page 4.

But I don't think that her stretching on Glork makes her scummy,

yet.

That's a lot of qualifiers.

[Glork]

I noticed that, too. Good feelings evaporating based on "I want to give myself every possible out to 'suspect' Ether later on."

[Mizzy]

I noticed that, too. Good feelings evaporating based on "I want to give myself every possible out to 'suspect' Ether later on."

My point was that it's page-fucking-4. I don't have much to go on for the moment, and later evidence changes things, as it is wont to do. I simply wanted to express the sentiment that Ether is the same gung-ho shit-stirrer that I met her as in PYP way back when. And she was town then. So initial read = town.

I don't

need

an out to suspect someone for scummy behavior later. I just suspect them. You know, based on scummy behavior.

[rolandgarros]

Okay I'm here, I just reread the topic and I think I have an okay understanding of what's gone on so far... Theres the random or not random vote thing with Glork and Ether, and something about Hascow suspecting Ether and a page or so on that issue. Is there something I missed in between?

This is kind of a bizarre question when the thread is only 4 pages and you've just read it all. Importantly, do you have any opinions on the stuff that's happened so far?

Well I've read through the topic, but only with a rudimentary grasp of the current game so far. So far no one stands out as particularly scummy; Glork and Ether give off pro-town vibes and Hascow even though he reacted to the Ether situation I don't see much scumminess in looking for scum? But overall this viewpoint is just based on my rudimentary understanding so far.

[Ether]

Glork, interesting time stamp: were you waiting for me to react first?

(Mizzy's response doesn't reassure me, for the record.)

[Mizzy]

Mod:

I'll be going away for the weekend today and I'll be back sometime late on Sunday. Thanks!

[Patrick]

Hmm. I don't feel like I've really got my teeth into this game yet, so I'm going to get down some thoughts on what's happened so far.

I get protown vibes from Erg0 and Ether. Post 61 that was called out by Ether doesn't bother me; even if he has an opinion on the matter or thought the questioning was pointless, at that point I'd expect him to wait for hasdgfas's response anyway. Post 68 seems kind of townish, and in line with most of my opinions. Ether I would guess is town based on general gut/meta.

I'm having less success finding a place to put a serious vote. Tarhalindur's post 75 strikes me as about a mile off, but having played with him before I'm not sure I could call that scummy (which sounds crazy yes). Still, Tarhalindur, I thought my post immediately following Erg0's said almost the exact same thing contentwise, how come that didn't even get a mention? I even remember you attacking me in Farscape Mafia for repeating what someone else said almost exactly in one post.

Mizzy's first and second qualifiers don't strike me as out of place, she's a cautious player. The third one does, a bit, but I still can't see it as significant, at least she posted

something

. Her PYP2 thing also seems consistent too.

I took the above to mean that I had done something within thread that lead you to believe that I was likely pro-town. However in your recent "Early Protown Indicator" list, I remained unlisted (unlike your gut-feeling on Mizzy) which would indicate that your post 60 didn't mean what I thought it did. And since it didn't mean that, it really does look like you were "goading hasdgfas and me from the sidelines" like Erg0 mentioned in Post 68.

What exactly did "Point: Incognito" mean?

On second inspection, this bothers me. Firstly because I don't see how, "Point: Incognito" could mean "I think Incognito looks protown". But I have to ask, even if that was what you thought it meant, wouldn't it still have been goading you and hasdgfas on from the sidelines? I don't really follow this thought process.

I'm reserving judgement on Glork until I see some more posts, and maybe make up my mind about Incognito. The only part that's struck me as off is the goading, but I looked at the start of open 54 again and saw a similar type of comment that he made. I find it unlikely that Glork and Ether are scum together, which is nice.

I'd like to see the promised content from Pokerface. MafiaSSK also needs to say something.

Unvote

, and hopefully find a good home for it soon.

[Glork]

Glork, interesting time stamp: were you waiting for me to react first?

(Mizzy's response doesn't reassure me, for the record.)

No. I checked the thread when I saw you were the most recent poster in Little Italy, read Mizzy's post first, then read yours and simply agreed with it.

[Incognito]

On second inspection, this bothers me. Firstly because I don't see how, "Point: Incognito" could mean "I think Incognito looks protown". But I have to ask, even if that was what you thought it meant, wouldn't it still have been goading you and hasdgfas on from the sidelines? I don't really follow this thought process.

Prior to Post 60, Glork had made a comment in Post 55 about Ether which mentioned that he was taking Ether's behavior so far to be a pro-town sign. I figured that along that same line of thinking Glork had found something that I mentioned (Post 59) to also be a pro-town indicator and was giving me a "point" for that comment. I thought he was trying to use things people were saying within thread to formulate his reads on people and not actually goad from the sidelines. But Glork mentioned recently that he meant "he made a good point" rather than the definition of "point" that I thought he was using.

Quick update on my thoughts: After looking back over the few posts Ether has made so far, I get a pro-town read of her. She's acting (so far) like I would expect an Ethertown to act. Granted, we're only on page 4. But I don't think that her stretching on Glork makes her scummy, yet.

Mizzy, since you were watching the debate between both Ether and Glork did you also update your feelings with respect to Glork as well?

[Mizzy]

Mizzy, since you were watching the debate between both Ether and Glork did you also update your feelings with respect to Glork as well?

Glork I haven't played with before more than one day so it's harder for me to judge, but I'd go pro-town for the moment, also.