Open 83 - Polygamist Mafia (Game over!) before 628

[Harvey Pew]

how about start by claiming lovers, everyone?

What? So far thats all we've had: Proposed by MafiaSSK. Modified by Adel to a D2 claim. D1 claim agreed by Nameless and then forbiddanlight. D1 claim rejected by SpyreX for D2. D2 claim backed by MafiaSSK and then somestrangeflea. Gimbo supports D1 claim. Chelseafan rejects D1 mass claim. Mass claim at some unspecified date backed by me. Chelseafan changes mind but does not specify Day. Gimbo claims. chenhsi claims. SpyreX says no again.

So with all this, I'll say that my partner (who is also my lover )

is

in favour of a claim. But I will leave it up to them to make the claim, if they still think it wise, on D1 <- An example of SpyreX's "slower member" in action?

[SpyreX]

Pretty much. I may be reading more to it than what Gimbo meant, but I Reeeaaallllllyyyyy dont like the idea of "TOWN MUST VOTE TOGETHER"

Hell, sometimes partners run into issues they couldn't control (sup flea ). Compound that with some kind of "you must be scum you're not voting with your partner ahhahahaaa" setup and I'd put my money on the scum winning this game.

[SpyreX]

Secret Edit: TOWN LOVERS MUST VOTE TOGETHER

[KNIGHT42]

nice try... but you aint gettin it past me!

Unvote, Vote:Gimbo

[Adel]

What a convenient way for you to vote for me without seeming scummy.

Vote:Adel

and no, I am NOT omgusing.

bullshit.

[Gimbo]

ok, see what we have here. SpyreX, Knight, Adel + ?....I'd say not a bad mix. Hell, when I said what I said, I expected that I might get lynched, that's okay. After I'm dead, all you scums voting for you are going to be screwed Day 2

This game can last maximum 2 Days. That means 1) D1 mass-claim 2) D2 mass-claim 3) no mass-claim.

That being said, I think a mass-claim is better than none, so now we ask is it better on D1 or D2. I do not see how claiming on D2 is better than on D1. I think the reluctance of people to claim when doing so clearly doesn't hurt town anyways (being that there ar eno power roles, so who the scum kill doesn't matter for them) is very scummy.

Of course you guys are free to vote for me, I claimed scum for god's sake. So its not about the fact that you voted for me.

However, i think that as a townie, there should at least be hesitation upon reading my claim on what I am trying to achieve and what I can achieve with what I said both as scum or town and then decide which one is more likely. However, I immediately get votes expressing anger at me for being 'anti-town'. when this happens, I think the most logical explanation is that this is scum jumping a great wagon under the guise of anger for my 'anti-townness'. If I die, that's okay, I trust living townies to make a wise decision Day 2.

With that said, out of Knight, SpyreX and Adel, Knight is the noobiest, so I think for town, the safest bet is to lynch Knight. So

Unvote Vote:Knight

, this doesn't mean the other 2 isn't scum, but a bit less likely than the noob, no offense.

[SpyreX]

Knight, I'd like some of your reasons for your vote on Captain Crazy there.

[Gimbo]

SpyreX, getting a little worked up there? Haven't seen that from you in all the other games I'm in with you.

[Gimbo]

Knight's actions

1) calls Gimbo (me), Flea, chensi, Chelseafan the scumgroup.
2) votes chelseafan
2) unvotes, votes Flea
3) unvotes, votes Gimbo

so, please answer this question, Knight, if we are the scum-group, why are you jumping between us 3 in voting when killing 1 of us destroys the entire group?

you (Knight) poses no reasoning for your votes and your posts are filled with stuff like 'aha, you are scum!', and 'you ain't foolin' me!'......well...you ain't fooling me either

Claiming lovers, organizes things well and when lovers vote together, it's much easier to analyze everything in the votecount.

[Gimbo]

not saying its true but lets say you four "claimed your lovers" urging others to do so,

so you could just pick us off

you lost me there, please explain your reasoning.

[Gimbo]

oh good lord, Knight, I read thru your current posts and you are so clueless and noobie, I don't know what to think anymore....if you are town, you certainly aren't helping us...at all.

[Adel]

That being said, I think a mass-claim is better than none, so now we ask is it better on D1 or D2. I do not see how claiming on D2 is better than on D1. I think the reluctance of people to claim when doing so clearly doesn't hurt town anyways (being that there ar eno power roles, so who the scum kill doesn't matter for them) is very scummy.

I expect the scum group, having broken off into two pseudo lover pairs in the pre-game, to be the biggested proponent of a day 1 mass claim.

Day 1 we should lynch the scummiest person. If there is a day 2 we can worry about massclaiming then.

Gimbo: what did you learn from the other Polygamist mafia?

[Gimbo]

If we vote for the scummiest player on D1, then that takes away the whole purpose of having lover pairs, which is suppose to make things easier.

As I have read in another game, by claiming, we can now judge the action of a pair, rather than an individual, which make things much easier for town to get a read on people.

Adel: how do you think claiming today hurts town? also let's for argument sake, say you are a scum: What would you do when you are forced into agreeing to a mass-claim, how will you interact with your scumbuddies after making a lover claim with 1 of your buddies?

[SpyreX]

Gimbo, you are a hoot but coming out claiming scum is just nuts. So, Captain Crazy is a term of endearment.

Joking aside, I firmly believe your strategy helps the scum far more than the town Hence, I think it is a strat started by scum, so.

[Adel]

If we vote for the scummiest player on D1, then that takes away the whole purpose of having lover pairs, which is suppose to make things easier.

There is a difference between netwok or group analysis and the analysis of an individual.

As I have read in another game,

congrats on reading a game

by claiming, we can now judge the action of a pair, rather than an individual, which make things much easier for town to get a read on people.

Adel: how do you think claiming today hurts town?

It will be harder for me to catch scum in this game we we massclaim day 1.

also let's for argument sake, say you are a scum: What would you do when you are forced into agreeing to a mass-claim, how will you interact with your scumbuddies after making a lover claim with 1 of your buddies?

sorry, this isn't the time or the place for me to give you a tutorial on how in win as scum in this setup.

I expect the strongest proponent of a day 1 massclaim to be scum.

[chenhsi]

Knight's actions

1) calls Gimbo (me), Flea, chensi, Chelseafan the scumgroup.
2) votes chelseafan
2) unvotes, votes Flea
3) unvotes, votes Gimbo

Yay, I wasn't voted!

[Gimbo]

chenhsi, what are your thoughts on everything in Page 5? thnx.

[Nameless]

if we don't massclaim, then even town pairs might not vote together

Even if we do massclaim, I see no reason why me and my lover should always vote the same way...

For this to work,

all TOWN pairs must

vote together. scums do whatever you want

I agree with somestrangeflea's post. If my lover is an idiot I'm not going to support their voting and I would expect them to do the same to me. If nothing else, assuming you COULD force all town to vote together, that would probably result in a much faster lynching (you'd only need to convince half as many people) which is bad for the town.

NOW I claim to be scum:

If you are scum, I applaud your guts in pulling off such a ridiculous and risky gambit in this particular set up. If you are town you are an IDIOT for adding so many bad ideas, confusion and WIFOM to the game. I pretty much agree with all of the points SpyreX has made.

With that I'll start the mass-claim.

Me and somestrangeflea are lovers

(I know..lol).

based on your join date and your posts

HoS:KNIGHT42

for both not claiming and for your vote post, very scummy

FoS: all non-claimers

I disagree with this ... To me, knight sounds like an newbie, and I'm not sure how his recent join date makes his posts sound more scummy. I still support massclaiming, but the issue was clearly still up for debate and you can't really unclaim once two people have confirmed each other. Casting suspicion at everyone who disagrees with your point of view is ... just stupid.

What a convenient way for you to vote for me without seeming scummy.

Vote:Adel

and no, I am NOT omgusing.

, just .

I don't know what to think anymore....if you are town, you certainly aren't helping us...at all.

This? This is called irony.

If we vote for the scummiest player on D1, then that takes away the whole purpose of having lover pairs, which is suppose to make things easier.

I'm confused. Did you actually just suggest we don't vote for the scummiest player D1?

FACEPALM TOTAL: 8

HoS: Gimbo

Although Gimbo's play is incredibly anti-town, I'm not going to vote yet because even considering WIFOM I find it hard to believe any scum would be that obvious and risky in this setup. (Also, I think we should be careful not to place votes too quickly on anybody to avoid the mafia getting away with a disguised quick lynch.)

[Adel]

Gimbo/Nameless scumgroup +1

[Nameless]

A couple more things:

I support mass-claiming today simply because we known townies wouldn't lie, so we would already have 4 vote-pairs right off the bat, this forces the 4 scum to split, and its much better for town.

if we don't massclaim, then even town pairs might not vote together, thus its going to be much more confusing.

so you voted for SSF during the random voting phase to spread confusion?

unvote, vote:Gimbo

Actually, on second thought, this vote from Adel does seem kind of odd. Out off all the dubious things Gimbo has said Adel chooses this (IMHO, poor) argument to quote when voting? :/

So with all this, I'll say that my partner (who is also my lover )

is

in favour of a claim.

This wording seems unusual and I'm not sure how half-claiming helps either side of the argument.

Gimbo/Nameless scumgroup +1

... Why?

[KNIGHT42]

Ok heres the deal...

I thought it was kinda wierd that two pairs of lovers claimed right away.

IN my mind it was a plot among you 4 mafia (gimbo,flea,chesi,and chelsea) to get everybody to claim and since you though of the idea, nobody would lynch you, yet instead lynch the last pair to come in.

I debated between chelsea flea and you until i saw that you had already accumulated two votes and here we are!

[KNIGHT42]

even if you end up being a townie, you deserve to die for a stunt like that...

[Adel]

Gimbo/Nameless scumgroup +1

... Why?

[/quote]
I'm two steps in front of you.

I can see why you would do a "hos" instead of a vote, and fear of a quicklynch has nothing to do with it.

And now you are beginning to attack people that attacked Gimbo.

[Gimbo]

Adel is obvious scum, town is blind.

[Adel]

then why aren't you voting for me?