Open 85 - Jester Mafia (Game over) before 630

[Crazy]

Isn't scum more likely to leave scummy townies for possible next day lynches than simply NK them?

Yeah, in games without a jester.

[forbiddanlight]

Isn't scum more likely to leave scummy townies for possible next day lynches than simply NK them?

Yeah, in games without a jester.

This. And what has Skruffs done that doesn't make sense?

[Crazy]

I'm not sure what of this was just randomness, but here...

Who's acting the most protown?
Lynch them.

Okay. SO, Crazy and Apothecary are 2 of the three scum in this game.
WHICH IS WHICH??

My suggestion, correlary, is that we all pretend to be the jester. It keeps the mafia from completely random voting.

How is it anti-town?

Unvote, Vote: Kmd4389

Did you think about it before you voted me, or did you vote me because at first glance it looked like I said something stupid and scummy?

Point of the vote was...?

Actually, the mafia are not going to try and kill the jester, at least not at first, because the mafia also want to claim jester, adn killing the jester kills their only fake claim.

Couldn't disagree more here. The mafia want the jester NKed as much as the town.

[forbiddanlight]

I honestly intuitively feel he might be the jester. I could be wrong, but for now, especially given this:

My suggestion, correlary, is that we all pretend to be the jester. It keeps the mafia from completely random voting.

and this:

Actually, the mafia are not going to try and kill the jester, at least not at first, because the mafia also want to claim jester, adn killing the jester kills their only fake claim.

Now, I could be wrong, and his future actions may change my view (which is why I don't really care about your vote on him), but, it wouldn't surprise me if he or cretin was the jester. I'd rather see more from both that actually contains content before I made a judgement call. If scruffs isn't the jester though, he's likely scum. I can't say the same for Cretin.

[Kmd4390]

It looks too intentionally random for a jester in a game where we know there is a jester. After seeing the five posts quoted by crazy like that, I think skruffs wants us to think he is jester. But is this too obvious to be something scum would do? If Skruffs is really jester, I don't want to vote for him. But if he isn't NK'd, how do we handle that? My gut says scum but the jester possiblility scares me away from voting.

Thoughts?

Sorry for the possibly unhelpful thinking with the keyboard post.

[forbiddanlight]

Essentially, for the first part of the game, we'll have a few targets we want to see NK'd. the mafia is going to play it dangerously probably, and come as close to lylo as they can before offing the jester. They are likely going to play to keep us confused while keeping an eye out for their own interests...I'm thinking that the first 2 NKs are going to be relatively safe and non jester. I could be wrong, but that's just what I'd do as scum. Confuse the hell out of town while keeping an eye on jester suspects, and likely defending them as best I can. (I know, it seems like I'm doing that now but since it's D1 I'm being a bit paranoid)

[Kmd4390]

Essentially, for the first part of the game, we'll have a few targets we want to see NK'd. the mafia is going to play it dangerously probably, and come as close to lylo as they can before offing the jester. They are likely going to play to keep us confused while keeping an eye out for their own interests...I'm thinking that the first 2 NKs are going to be relatively safe and non jester. I could be wrong, but that's just what I'd do as scum. Confuse the hell out of town while keeping an eye on jester suspects, and likely defending them as best I can. (I know, it seems like I'm doing that now but since it's D1 I'm being a bit paranoid)

Do you really think a real jester would be this random though? And suggest that we all play like jesters? We never know if this is what he wants us to think though. This isn't easy knowing that any lynch could end the game with a jester victory. I'm trying to think what I would do as either jester or scum in a game with a jester but I don't think that is going to help because everyone has different playstyles.

Is all this jester hunting too much of a distraction from trying to find scum? I know we need to be careful not to lynch the jester but shouldn't finding scum be more important right now?

[forbiddanlight]

I agree with finding scum. I just don't feel there is enough out there for find it yet, so we have to be careful not to rush things. In the end, most Jester arguments are WIFOM though...I wish I knew how to play it though.

[ooba]

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Third

Vote

Count

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Crazy (1)

- Xtoxm

raverblood (2)

- The Jester, cr3tin

Kmd4390 (1)

- Skruffs

The Jester (1)

- forbiddanlight

cr3tin (1)

- Sun Tzu

Skruffs (1)

- Crazy

Not Voting (4) - Apothecary, raverblood, Rishi, Kmd4390

Six

votes makes a lynch with 11 alive.

[Kmd4390]

I agree with finding scum. I just don't feel there is enough out there for find it yet, so we have to be careful not to rush things. In the end, most Jester arguments are WIFOM though...I wish I knew how to play it though.

Well just remember, they want to be lynched. They don't want us knowing that they are jester.

I could see scum acting jestery (if that's a word) to avoid being lynched. The problem with this is that newb jester would do the same.

It really is WIFOM which makes it hard to figure out.

Ooba, the vote count is missing the "0" at the end of my screen name both times.

Sorry - This has

been corrected- ooba

[Crazy]

About 3 people are acting jestery. They can't all be the jester.

IMO, if a scum acts like a jester, then that is a very risky gambit. It would be much easier to do what normal scum do, and act like town.

Town players in no way should

ever

act jestery. It's completely stupid and there's no reason to do it.

We will have to take a chance, and try to lynch someone that's scummy. But if someone looks outrageously scummy, we should probably wait to see if they get NKed. If they're not, then we can lynch them the next day.

[Rishi]

About 3 people are acting jestery. They can't all be the jester.

Who are the three that you think are acting jestery?

Also, in the one jester game that I read (don't remember which one it was, but it was the one where d3sisted was the jester and was lynched Day 1), he wasn't really acting blatantly jestery.

I guess everyone would play it differently though.

[forbiddanlight]

Bumping because of ridiculous modness. I want to see more discussion. I hear from maybe 4 people right now.

[Xtoxm]

Hai Forbiddan!

I think we should lynch Crazy.

[forbiddanlight]

Sure, why not.

vote Crazy

[raverblood]

vote: Sun Tzu

[forbiddanlight]

Um...why? I was kinda joking around when I voted crazy.

Unvote Crazy, vote raverblood

Seriously, reasoning?

[Crazy]

Who are the three that you think are acting jestery?

Skruffs, as already pointed out, and cr3t1in and Xtoxm are more obvious.

I too would like to see raverblood's reasoning, or Xtoxm's reasoning if he had any.

[raverblood]

I'm willing to take the chance. We have to lynch someone.

this is my reason. my only true reason. i have thought about it and it seems scummy to me. i even sat on it a few days thinking about it before i voted.

[forbiddanlight]

To be honest, that's somewhat fair enough. Very WEAK, but fair enough.

unvote raver, FoS raver

Just cause it's fair doesn't mean I don't like it. But it's not as bad as it could be.

[Rishi]

I'm willing to take the chance. We have to lynch someone.

this is my reason. my only true reason. i have thought about it and it seems scummy to me. i even sat on it a few days thinking about it before i voted.

So, why didn't you say anything immediately when he said it?

[raverblood]

i said i even sat on it a few days.. i didnt want to just jump right on if it was just getting in the game late or what not. i wanted to see if maybe he would post something else that made me not feel that he was scummy. well its been the few days and there have been nothing. he just basicly came on voted someone and left.

[Skruffs]

Actually, the mafia are not going to try and kill the jester, at least not at first, because the mafia also want to claim jester, adn killing the jester kills their only fake claim.

Couldn't disagree more here. The mafia want the jester NKed as much as the town.[/quote]

Why do you say this? What is your reasoning?

[Skruffs]

Who's acting the most protown?
Lynch them.

IMO, if a scum acts like a jester, then that is a very risky gambit. It would be much easier to do what normal scum do, and act like town.

Kay, then.

Vote: Skruffs

for not making sense this whole game.

Interesting.

You are agreeing with the very first thing I Said - that scum are going to act pro-town, and that scum acting like a jester is risky, and yet you say I am not making sense "this whole game"?

:/

[ooba]

Sun Tzu has been prodded