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Post Post #100 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:13 pm

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You know, I did a reread of this game over the course of the night, and Kublai Khan is actually not as scummy as I thought. A couple of posts by popsofctown, however, stuck out to me:
popsofctown wrote:I can't really FoS or vote him yet, i don't know what's going on with him and that seems unfair, since there's a totally legit explanation for his actions. I'm very concerned though.
This is a reference to Xtoxm, which we know flipped cop. You express suspicions of him later, but you left your vote on me, which reeks of distancing from a mislynch as you never voted him.

Another one:
popsofctown wrote:Xtoxm and KK both look pretty bad. At this point, by my reckoning, one or both of them is a scum.
It's Day 1 and you're already this certain about scum? This is tunnel vision, and you were voting for neither player when you made that statement. In fact, other than your random vote on ortolan, I'm the only person you've voted all day.

Let's get down to business here, pops: I am the seer, I investigated you for the above posts, and you came up werewolf. Therefore,

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Post Post #101 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:44 pm

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Well, I'm really glad that we have one of the scum exposed.

Nobody else should vote at this point. Let's have some discussion and try to out the second one.

Looking at the other two players of this game: Crazy & Natirasha.. It's not looking good for you Nat. You were out of town for most of the day, then you pop back in out of nowhere to hammer for whimsical reasons. Want to offer up a defense for your actions?
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Post Post #102 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:07 pm

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StrangerCoug wrote:You know, I did a reread of this game over the course of the night, and Kublai Khan is actually not as scummy as I thought. A couple of posts by popsofctown, however, stuck out to me:
popsofctown wrote:I can't really FoS or vote him yet, i don't know what's going on with him and that seems unfair, since there's a totally legit explanation for his actions. I'm very concerned though.
This is a reference to Xtoxm, which we know flipped cop. You express suspicions of him later, but you left your vote on me, which reeks of distancing from a mislynch as you never voted him.

Another one:
popsofctown wrote:Xtoxm and KK both look pretty bad. At this point, by my reckoning, one or both of them is a scum.
It's Day 1 and you're already this certain about scum? This is tunnel vision, and you were voting for neither player when you made that statement. In fact, other than your random vote on ortolan, I'm the only person you've voted all day.

Let's get down to business here, pops: I am the seer, I investigated you for the above posts, and you came up werewolf. Therefore,

Vote: popsofctown
Wow, wow wow. Wow. This a really gutsy move from SC and whoever the heck his scumpartner is. I'm not werewolf, which means StrangerCoug is not seer, which means one of you guys, though not me, is seer. There's going to be a counterclaim and SC is going to fight it, but hopefully you guys have some sense and he loses.

Do you guys really buy this? His claim itself seems so insincere. "Here is two things that look suspicious. Oh and by the way I investigated you."
He doesn't even give reasons he stopped thinking KK was suspicious, it's as if whatever KK did that was suspicious dried up and blew away.

Everyone, please read D1. SC reeks, all day, of scumminess. This is clearly a lunge the scum are making for instant victory.

You quote me as saying "Xtoxm and KK both look pretty bad." I did say that, but it was a typo. I meant to say "Xtoxm and SC both look pretty bad." If you did any more than a scumish superficial reading of the thread, you would have figured out it was a typo, since I hadn't said anything about KK being suspicious at all before or after, and the post just before i put you and Xtoxm as my most suspicious suspects:
popsofctown wrote:Again, why'd you take this game if you can't play it? I don't think you're inconvenienced, I think not talking is your strategy.

Although SC has said it's very unlikely to catch both scum on day 1, I'm inclined to think Xtoxm and SC are a scum pair. At the time Xtoxm made "mandatory prod post", most people were putting pressure on SC. He could read the thread and say what he thinks on SC very quickly, but he didn't. I think he was trying to avoid commentation on SC, so he neither has to bus his teammate to the gallows nor say he doesn't have suspicions about SC, which we would look back upon harshly if SC flipped scum.

In support of this theory, look how SC defended Xtoxm in post 66. He asks if KK has checked Xtoxm's post history, whichout even bothering to click twice and do some himself. He even went at length. He looks like he's more interesteed in defending Xtoxm than actually ascertaining whether Xtoxm needs defending.

The fact he ceded the point is irrelevant (buddy nor not), he was faced with facts by KK that required a fold either way.
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Post Post #103 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:42 pm

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popsofctown wrote:Do you guys really buy this? His claim itself seems so insincere. "Here is two things that look suspicious. Oh and by the way I investigated you."
He doesn't even give reasons he stopped thinking KK was suspicious, it's as if whatever KK did that was suspicious dried up and blew away.
A reread of what I thought were his suspicious posts seem to be on the explainable side now, which is why I've dropped him.
popsofctown wrote:You quote me as saying "Xtoxm and KK both look pretty bad." I did say that, but it was a typo. I meant to say "Xtoxm and SC both look pretty bad."
OK, I understand that much, but that doesn't explain why you stayed off the Xtoxm lynch.
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Post Post #104 (ISO) » Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:44 pm

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popsofctown wrote:I was wrong about one of you two, but apparently I was right about one of you. Vote: StrangerCoug
What did I just say? No voting until we get some discussion about the second scum.

What do you think of Natirasha or Crazy?
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Post Post #105 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:22 am

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sorry.... what with a fake seer accusing me of being scum i got really pissed.


I am 100% sure that SC is scum right now, but KK is right, we should get some discussion and find the other scum if we can.
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Post Post #106 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:55 am

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Wow, I was so ready to lynch Nat, but it's obvious at this point that one of SC/Pops
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1. SC is scum; the real seer will counter-claim.
2. Pops is scum; his partner will counter-claim, attempting to get SC lynched for a win.
3. Pops is scum; his partner will not counter-claim, thinking he has a better chance of winning in a final 3 situation.

Thus, if there's no counter-claim, we can be sure that Pops is scum.

I do not counter-claim.
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Post Post #107 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:22 pm

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Not Seer.

I have no defense besides my meta. And, although in any other circumstance gladly lynch myself, it is bad here as we would lose.
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Post Post #108 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:57 pm

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Cool. So SC has to be the seer.

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Post Post #109 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:14 pm

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Actually, no, I'm really not werewolf, really.

KK is the only person who didn't explicitly say whether he is seer. I'm guessing KK wanted to play it slow for some reason, but he must be the seer.

Kublai Khan. You MUST CLAIM NOW. I'm at L-1 and if i get 1 more vote we instantly lose!
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Post Post #110 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:36 pm

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Ugh... Having the flu sucks. Sorry, guys.
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Post Post #111 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:57 pm

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popsofctown wrote:Actually, no, I'm really not werewolf, really.

KK is the only person who didn't explicitly say whether he is seer. I'm guessing KK wanted to play it slow for some reason, but he must be the seer.

Kublai Khan. You MUST CLAIM NOW. I'm at L-1 and if i get 1 more vote we instantly lose!
unvote, vote: popsofctown


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Post Post #112 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:01 pm

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SC, would you mind passing me your neutral opinion on which of those two is scum before we go off into night? I need all the help I can get.
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Post Post #113 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:12 pm

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Is that a lynch?
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Post Post #114 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:15 pm

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funny, i always seem to have posts at 9:21 pm mafiascum time
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Post Post #115 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:18 pm

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popsofctown wrote:Is that a lynch?
Yes, it is. SC + me + Nat = 3/5 = majority.
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Post Post #116 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:30 pm

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Crazy: why the hell did you vote so fast while it was a lynch and lose situation?

Nat & SC are the mafia scumpair. They must be because Nat turned up non-werewolf.

What a horrible game for the town.
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Post Post #117 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:48 pm

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Kublai Khan wrote:Crazy: why the hell did you vote so fast while it was a lynch and lose situation?

Nat & SC are the mafia scumpair. They must be because Nat turned up non-werewolf.

What a horrible game for the town.
WHAT?! And you didn't counter-claim immediately... why?
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Post Post #118 (ISO) » Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:08 pm

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First Vote Count of Day 2

popsofctown (3) -- StrangerCoug, Crazy, Natirasha
StrangerCoug (1) -- popsofctown

Not voting (1) -- Kublai Khan

popsofctown, Mafia Goon
, is dead. Night 2 has begun. Night action deadline will be Saturday, November 22, 10 AM EST.
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Post Post #119 (ISO) » Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:33 pm

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The sun rises on the bloody spectacle of yet another murder.


Day Three has begun.
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Post Post #120 (ISO) » Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:15 am

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Post Post #121 (ISO) » Sat Nov 22, 2008 3:54 am

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Insert profanity here.

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Post Post #122 (ISO) » Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:51 am

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Wait wait. Is that you claiming scum, SC?
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Post Post #123 (ISO) » Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:10 am

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I claimed seer, I got counterclaimed, the counterclaimer is now dead, he turned out to have been telling the truth. Connect the dots, then kill me.
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Post Post #124 (ISO) » Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:12 am

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EBWOP: Add my claiming that a Mafioso was guilty when the seer is supposed to get a guilty on werewolves.
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