Open 96 -- Carbon-14 (Game over) before 703

[StrangerCoug]

Reading it you were pretty suspicious day 1. Lack of activity was a bear.

Which is exactly why I was supposed to be the Day 2 lynch for the gambit to work, but no, some rather impatient people dediced to blow us

BOTH

up.

[popsofctown]

there is more than one way SC could have gone for a win.

"I'm vanilla townie, but i realized D2 was LyLo and thought that I was almost certainly going to be lynched next, which would make us lose. I thought a seer claim was the only way to keep myself from getting lynched"

Or, considering the town was clearly so disorganized they couldn't even get their claims out before lynches.

"Well Nat, it's obvious that Crazy's seer claim was BS. Let's lynch.

Vote: Crazy

"

You play to win. You don't play to lose.

The mod calls the game when it's over. The mod hadn't called the game, because it wasn't over.
I'm still very very pissed, not at the setup farside, at my quitter partner.

[Kublai Khan]

@farside22 - I think the setup is a winner. Big props to Adel!

[Adel]

@farside22 - I think the setup is a winner. Big props to Adel!

thanks. my first 60+ submissions to the open game setups thread were rejected, but I've been on quite a roll recently.

[StrangerCoug]

there is more than one way SC could have gone for a win.

"I'm vanilla townie, but i realized D2 was LyLo and thought that I was almost certainly going to be lynched next, which would make us lose. I thought a seer claim was the only way to keep myself from getting lynched"

May I ask how the hell that's pro-town?

Or, considering the town was clearly so disorganized they couldn't even get their claims out before lynches.

"Well Nat, it's obvious that Crazy's seer claim was BS. Let's lynch.

Vote: Crazy

"

Crazy deduced (wrongly) that I was the seer, so that wouldn't work if he was paying attention. I could have used it, and in hindsight that might have been a good try, but I doubt it. As I implied earlier, it would be cheap for confirmed scum to get away.

You play to win. You don't play to lose.

My fate was sealed when you died, and it's unfair to take advantage of people not paying attention. It's called accepting the consequences for your actions, not throwing the game. Now enough already.

[Adel]

SC, may I recommend a book? Chess for Tigers is less about chess and more about how to win games. Especially if you are attracted to gambits, I think you might enjoy it and find it useful.

[Kublai Khan]

May I ask how the hell that's pro-town?

It's not. I think their point is that when you're dealing with a town that makes rash impatient moves, then starting off Day 3 with a whopper of a lie might have actually worked.

Noticed that you not only had to vote yourself, but also had to explicitly lay out the case against yourself for Natirasha to vote with you.

[ortolan]

I agree; it looks to me as though you still could easily have won SC

[StrangerCoug]

SC, may I recommend a book? Chess for Tigers is less about chess and more about how to win games. Especially if you are attracted to gambits, I think you might enjoy it and find it useful.

Will do. Anything that improves strategy in general in anything I play will be of good use for me here (because I pretty much suck at strategy at any given game I know the rules to)

[popsofctown]

There is no such thing as a cheap win... maybe it's because you don't come from a fighting-game background that this isn't credo to you. But if it's not illegal, it's legal, and you should use it to win. Other wise any competition turns into "he with the least honor wins"

[Crazy]

Woah, crazy game there.

I don't think what SC did at the end was unethical. He was about as confirmed scum as you can be. There was really nothing he could do to possibly win.

Umm, KK, if someone claims like that, counter-claim them

immediately

. By your lack of a counter-claim in your posts after SC, I had already thought that you couldn't be the seer. If this wasn't a special case (with pops flipping the wrong kind of scum and all), and you claimed that late, I would assume that you were scum.

SC's gambit was awesome, and really it

should

have worked, but failed due to some unforeseen matters (KK delaying his claim; the quick wagon on pops)

-SC claims seer, guilty on pops.
-Real seer counter-claimed.
-SC is scummy, so he's lynched instead.
-Real seer is killed at night.
-Pops is nearly confirmed on Day 3.

[Xtoxm]

I agree with Crazy. I fully back SC there, i'd have done the same. there was nothing he could do.

[CarnCarn]

Huh, interesting game here.

SC's gambit was awesome, and really it

should

have worked, but failed due to some unforeseen matters (KK delaying his claim; the quick wagon on pops)

-SC claims seer, guilty on pops.
-Real seer counter-claimed.
-SC is scummy, so he's lynched instead.
-Real seer is killed at night.
-Pops is nearly confirmed on Day 3.

A small variation to this that I would have played as scum is to NK Crazy instead of KK (the real seer), because I think it would have made it easier to lynch Nat in LyLo by making Kublai Khan the Lynchmaker.
KK was really suspicious of Nat all along, investigated him N1 and got an innocent on Werewolf (would investigate pops and get innocent too on N2). But, considering SC would come up goon, it wouldn't have mattered at all and it's quite likely he would have supported the Nat lynch over a pops lynch.
Crazy, you seemed to have a better handle on Nat that everyone else, taking into his meta (self-voting and lurk-hammering).

Also, SC could have still won by not killing KK and instead killing Crazy. He could have just said "I really thought pops was scum yesterday from his arguments and actions and I just claimed seer because I was convinced of it; after all, I did get a scum lynched, so that has to count for something" and gotten a decent chance of winning in LyLo with him, Nat and KK (pushing the Lynch towards Nat obv for the xtoxm speed hammer). I do think he underestimated his chances of winning. He got "caught" claiming, but I don't think that means it's an automatic loss. People have falseclaimed as town, after all.

And yeah, I would agree that this is definately looks like a fun setup to play through.

[MeMe]

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