Open 96 -- Carbon-14 (Game over) before 703

[Natirasha]

Oh come on, people, I was trying to get a day-one lynch.

[StrangerCoug]

Where is everybody, anyway?

[ortolan]

sup.

mass claim time?

[ortolan]

jokes again

what's the plan of attack?

[StrangerCoug]

Right now I'm damned if I know. Looks like a mass prod is in order.

Mod: Please prod everybody that hasn't posted here in the last 72 hours.

[-TinVision-]

First Vote Count of Day 1

Crazy (1) -- StrangerCoug
Natirasha (1) -- Natirasha
ortolan (1) -- popsofctown
StrangerCoug (1) -- Crazy

Not voting (4) -- Kublai Khan, orolan, xtoxm

Prods going out now. I know that two people V/LA is a lot in a seven-player game, but that's no excuse for not posting.

[Xtoxm]

Had an influx of work recently. Should level out soon.

[Crazy]

I'm here.

(And I voted for SC, btw)

[ortolan]

Hmm...interesting dynamics. The fact the scum could be mafia or werewolves effectively means that one of the investigative roles is naive. Although perhaps not as bad as a conventional naive role because they know they're 50% likely to be naive. So effectively one of the investigative roles is the same as a vanilla townsperson, but no-one including them will know until they stumble upon a positive result.

I think I should say something: if at any point either of the investigative roles needs to claim to prevent being lynched, (unless they've already picked up a guilty result on someone, in which case they should probably say who it is), then they should claim an investigative role but not which one it is. The mafia know whether they are conventional mafia or werewolves, but we don't. Thus if they nightkill this investigative role after they've claimed they do not know whether they've killed the investigative role that can pick them up or not, so they will have less information and not know whether anyone can still detect them or not.

While what I'm saying might seem fairly obvious I thought I should still say it, making this known to town doesn't seem to benefit the mafia in any way and well, at least it might provoke some discussion.

[Kublai Khan]

I'm back.

Is Crazy's vote random or is he sincerely grasping at straws?

[Natirasha]

See sig.

[Crazy]

I'm back.

Is Crazy's vote random or is he sincerely grasping at straws?

*headdesk*

Why does a vote have to either be for a completely random reason or a completely real reason? It's the random phase, any reason that goes even

slightly

past "He has a funny avatar LOLZ" is better than a random vote.

So, yeah, I don't support putting all votes in two distinct categories. My vote on SC is probably what you'd consider in between "completely random LOLZ" and "SC is scum. Lynch him."

Also, I have done semi-random votes twice in the past... both times I actually picked scum! (Mini 614 - SleepyPanda and Open 94 - orangepenguin). Though that doesn't mean anything, of course.

I can agree with ortolan for all purposes of Day 1 wagons. Day 2 and further targets should be claimed but role should

not

.

[Kublai Khan]

Why does a vote have to either be for a completely random reason or a completely real reason?

Because I'm new here and I don't know you. Does it really bug you that much that someone you've never met or played with is asking you to clarify your reason for voting?

If you want the random segment to end and scum-hunting to begin, then eventually some semi-serious questions have to start being asked.

See sig.

I don't know who Stoofer is. I don't care who Stoofer is.

[StrangerCoug]

Why does a vote have to either be for a completely random reason or a completely real reason?

Because I'm new here and I don't know you.

Don't give us this newbie card crap.

See sig.

I don't know who Stoofer is. I don't care who Stoofer is.

How the hell is Mr Stoofer relevant to what Natirasha is referencing?

Unvote: Crazy
Vote: Kublai Khan

[Kublai Khan]

Don't give us this newbie card crap.

Huh?

See sig.

I don't know who Stoofer is. I don't care who Stoofer is.

How the hell is Mr Stoofer relevant to what Natirasha is referencing?

Could be my mistake.. I'm thinking that Natirasha is telling me to look at Crazy's sig as an answer to my question. What is Natirasha referencing, then?

[-TinVision-]

Natirasha is now V/LA. If activity levels don't pick up by Tuesday, a deadline may be imposed.

[Natirasha]

Natirasha is now V/LA. If activity levels don't pick up by Tuesday, a deadline may be imposed.

At least our mod realized what I was saying.

[StrangerCoug]

Don't give us this newbie card crap.

Huh?

When you attacked Crazy for making a semi-random vote, he responded by asking why votes have to be either completely random or completely serious. You answered by saying you're new, which 1.) is scummy and 2.) I see as BS anyway since your account is three months old.

[popsofctown]

I thought KK meant he was new here as in, he doesn't know anyone in this room's metas. Which made plenty of sense to me, he was trying to ascertain to what extent the vote was serious... more later

[Kublai Khan]

Natirasha is now V/LA. If activity levels don't pick up by Tuesday, a deadline may be imposed.

At least our mod realized what I was saying.

Ah. Sorry. Just got back from vacation, didn't realized your sig had changed.

Don't give us this newbie card crap.

Huh?

When you attacked Crazy for making a semi-random vote, he responded by asking why votes have to be either completely random or completely serious. You answered by saying you're new, which 1.) is scummy and 2.) I see as BS anyway since your account is three months old.

Well, popsofctown already answered for me. When Crazy voted for you, he gave an in-game non-meta weak reasoning behind his vote. All I asked was whether or not it was a random vote or a serious one. He asked me why I would ask such a question and I responded that I was new and didn't know him well enough (at all, really) to make that call.

I understood Crazy's answer, I was just letting him know why I asked it.

That's the second time you've "made a case" against someone during this 2-page long game. First you FOSed Natirasha for self-voting, then you vote for me for saying that I'm new. Do you actually have a strategy in doing this, or are you just in a hurry to get the day over with?

[StrangerCoug]

That's the second time you've "made a case" against someone during this 2-page long game. First you FOSed Natirasha for self-voting, then you vote for me for saying that I'm new. Do you actually have a strategy in doing this, or are you just in a hurry to get the day over with?

I have a strategy, and it involves hunting scum. Random voting has to end sometime, and I say it's perfectly acceptable to make two cases so soon. We know there are two mafia, and even though the chances of me being right about you and Natirasha are very low, that doesn't deprive me the right to go after you both. I think you're jumping to conclusions as to my wanting the game to end as early as you think I do.

I remember somebody defending Natirasha as someone who always self-votes in the random voting stage, but I'm not 100% sure who exactly it was and I'm too lazy to go back and check.

[popsofctown]

sorry that my last post there was a fragment, i was pressed for time.

As KK has now said, it's pretty evident that he had a legit reason for asking a question like that, and i think it's suspicious how much StrangerCoug is construing everything in the room to be something guilty, everything. The FoS seemed excessive to me

before

i knew anything about Natirasha's meta... i mean come on, how does a self vote in the random phase fit in to some scum players master plan? Is Natirasha trying to mindgame us into thinking he's

not

the cult recruiter Coug? That'd be quite a trick.

I have a strategy, and it involves hunting scum. Random voting has to end sometime, and I say it's perfectly acceptable to make two cases so soon. We know there are two mafia, and even though the chances of me being right about you and Natirasha are very low, that doesn't deprive me the right to go after you both.

a. Sure you have the right to make two cases so soon. No one has a right to make crappy cases at any point in the game though, and your cases are pretty crappy.
b. Some of the wording creeps me out here, and is pretty scummy. "even though the chances of me being right about you two being scum is low, that doesn't deprive me of the right to arrange mislynches" That's what it sounds like to me, and you seem more concerned about getting a free pass for voting on nothing than you seem concerned about lynching scum, correctly.


Yet another scummy thing you've done is ignore my earlier FoS vote instead of addressing it. Do you want to let that dry up and go away so you don't have to possibly say something scummy in defending yourself?

I guess it'll take some voting for you to answer to anything.

Vote: StrangerCoug

[popsofctown]

EBWOP,

Unvote, Vote: StrangerCoug

[StrangerCoug]

b. Some of the wording creeps me out here, and is pretty scummy. "even though the chances of me being right about you two being scum is low, that doesn't deprive me of the right to arrange mislynches" That's what it sounds like to me, and you seem more concerned about getting a free pass for voting on nothing than you seem concerned about lynching scum, correctly.

It is rare to get a scum pair right on Day 1 let alone page 2. The chances of that in this particular game is one in 30 (it's normally one in 110 in a mini). It's called math. It's also called experience.

Yet another scummy thing you've done is ignore my earlier FoS vote instead of addressing it. Do you want to let that dry up and go away so you don't have to possibly say something scummy in defending yourself?

I did not ignore it; I just had nothing to say about it. It's already been explained.

If it helps explain why I FoS'd Natirasha, I got a lot of rap for self-voting in another game when I did it and I honestly don't give much of a damn about meta.

[popsofctown]

I wasn't contesting the unlikely hood of both of them being scum. I was pointing out how bizarre it is for you to acknowledge that 3ish% chance they are scum and then start harping on your own "right" to vote people who are probably innocent. You see how that's scummish?


It'd be nice if you said at least a word after someone gives you an FoS. If you are, in fact, not scum, it's your job to explain to your accusers why you aren't scum, we don't get any closer to winning if we mislynch you because you wouldn't answer to anything. And you can't say that there was absolutely nothing you could comment on the matter, because you just said something now you could have said then, that you got a lot of rap for self-voting in another game.