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[Caboose]

5/7 Alive

Caboose
roflcopter
Percy

Korts

?
ZazieR
StrangerCoug

2/7 Dead

Korts - Mafia - Lynched Day 1

icemanE - Cop - Killed Night 1

Both he and Korts were very mysterious about the whole ploy.

What do you mean by this, Percy?

[Percy]

Korts' vote post:

I'd so wagon someone right now. Thing is, the only wagon that's better than the one I'm already on is mine...

Oh what the heck

unvote, vote: Korts

I asked:

... So I think either Korts is town and is willing to put himself in danger to try and lure out the scum, or is scum and is trying to appear pro-town. I don't have any conclusions beyond WIFOM at this point.

...

@Korts: Am I right about the voting?

His reply:

Wait for it a bit. Don't think I'm ignoring you, I will answer this later.

That's why I thought Korts was being a bit mysterious. Also, roflcopter posted:

...?

i have an opinion on that move, but i want to hear what else is said on the subject, notably from those not already voting korts

which is something entirely understandable, but still something I found mildly suspicious.

If you want to get reactions from people, doesn't posting "I think I know what's going on but I don't want to say yet" contaminate the results? Better to say nothing if you want people's reaction to the selfvote without interference from theorycrafting. It seemed a bit pointless, and was in line with what Korts was saying (even though he, admittedly, posted afterwards).

I guess I just thought "Why are these two refusing to talk about this, when clearly it's a bit of a big deal? So they can examine our reactions? Then why post at all?".

Hope that makes sense...

[roflcopter]

i find that its always better to acknowledge something that happens in thread rather than simply lurk, even if all you're acknowledging is that you're waiting to say something.

[StrangerCoug]

The Korts/roflcopter connection makes some sense to me, but I do buy roflcopter's defense for the most part.

[Caboose]

This plays seems a bit off for rofl. rofl played pretty conservatively for the first 2 pages, and rofl NEVER plays conservatively.

[roflcopter]

caboose, keep in mind the first two pages suddenly constituted the entirety of day one, when 12 hours earlier we had still be random voting and having fake fights over who i liked more irl

that caught me a little off guard

[roflcopter]

where is everybody?

[Korts]

(I'm here)

(don't do nothin' but

hang

around all day)

[roflcopter]

(shhh)

[StrangerCoug]

Do we really need to restart random voting?

[roflcopter]

Do we really need to restart random voting?

i certainly hope not

percy and zaz need to post soon, or be prodded

[StrangerCoug]

I hope that we don't either, but I'll do whatever it takes to get discussion going again.

Go on. Somebody ask me something. Anything. I don't care as long as it's relevant to this game.

[Caboose]

caboose, keep in mind the first two pages suddenly constituted the entirety of day one, when 12 hours earlier we had still be random voting and having fake fights over who i liked more irl

that caught me a little off guard

You usually bust out of the gates with an early accusation in my games with you.

Something still seems off...

[Percy]

StrangerCoug: Who do you find most suspicious, and why?

I find it uncomfortable that people are relying on past behaviour as an argument, simply because I have no way of verifying if it's true without reading pages of games that have nothing to do with this one.

Caboose: Do you find roflcopter suspicious because of his actions

in this thread

, or is it only based on past play analysis?

[StrangerCoug]

roflcopter for his connections with Korts, but weakly so. I do see Caboose's meta on him working against him as well, but I wouldn't count on it.

[roflcopter]

something is niggling me about the way people are very, very slowly trying to build up support to start voting me.

sc is at least doing so for ostensibly in game reasons, but caboose is just fanning the flames with a broad meta argument.

so i'm ready to start things with a

vote: caboose

[Percy]

I'd like Caboose to tell us what he thinks of what's happened in the game so far, and who he thinks is scum and why, metagame aside.

[ZazieR]

Some things that caught my attention.

Vote: roflcopter

Clever me, bussing so inconspiciously >_>

vote: korts experience shows that he is always scum.

plus, omgus

If anyone votes for Korts who isn't already, then that would be one of the most scummy moves possible at this stage.

My reasons.
I've seen Korts's game where he and his scum partner faked a protection. They didn't kill anyone, his partner claimed doc and he 'protected' Korts. I wouldn't be surprised if Korts would do something like that again and this seems like it. However, random voting and posting some strange stuff isn't the same as faking a doc and protection and isn't as scummy as Percy's post.
Percy ,if he's a townie, couldn't know Korts's alignment. However, in that quote he says that if somebody votes Korts, that that is one of the most scummy moves possible. It's perhaps true that a mislynch could have lead to Lylo, but you don't cast threats to prevent somebody from voting.
I'm also bothered by his post 46. IcE tried to keep himself alive by claiming. This post seems like the 'OMG, scum killed the cop' post aka a complainment how bad the night was.
This added with my gut tells me to

Vote Percy

Perhaps it isn't much, but it's all I have right now.

[Caboose]

something is niggling me about the way people are very, very slowly trying to build up support to start voting me.

sc is at least doing so for ostensibly in game reasons, but caboose is just fanning the flames with a broad meta argument.

so i'm ready to start things with a

vote: caboose

LOL. So you only vote

after

I give meta on you about accusing people early on?

How predictable.

Vote: roflcopter

[roflcopter]

say, caboose, i hate to fight meta with meta, but i distinctly recall you espousing in another game how very much you hate to see meta used basically at all, so its pretty suspect that you're using meta to vote for me

[Caboose]

say, caboose, i hate to fight meta with meta, but i distinctly recall you espousing in another game how very much you hate to see meta used basically at all, so its pretty suspect that you're using meta to vote for me

I'm not voting you because of the meta. I'm voting you because of your reaction to what I said and your knee jerk reaction vote on me.

[StrangerCoug]

Vote: Caboose

for OMGUS.

[Caboose]

Vote: Caboose

for OMGUS.

I called out rofl way before he voted me. So really, he's the only one OMGUSing.

[StrangerCoug]

You didn't make your earlier case against him clear at all at #68, which made me think otherwise.

[Percy]

Percy ,if he's a townie, couldn't know Korts's alignment. However, in that quote he says that if somebody votes Korts, that that is one of the most scummy moves possible. It's perhaps true that a mislynch could have lead to Lylo, but you don't cast threats to prevent somebody from voting.

I think I misread the situation, but I still maintain that IcemanE's move was risky as all hell. If Korts was town, we would be in a terrible situation of almost no info and two townies down, and anyone willing to take that risk I thought would have scummy motives. I would have liked for IcemanE to wait so we could get more out of the day, but basically we got lucky.

I'm also bothered by his post 46. IcE tried to keep himself alive by claiming. This post seems like the 'OMG, scum killed the cop' post aka a complainment how bad the night was.

I'll quote my post for a bit of context:

Very risky play by Korts, and it sucks that IcE claimed when he really shouldn't have. I guess his play meant that he was going to be dead anyway, he just thought he could get away with it.

The first sentence is the truth. Korts played riskily. IcE shouldn't have claimed. I explained already why I thought IcE's decision to be the final vote would mean he would get killed at night, or at least investigated very heavily during the next day if the scum decided to keep him alive. I should have said "meant that he was

almost certainly

going to be dead".

Now onto Caboose. I posted:

I'd like Caboose to tell us what he thinks of what's happened in the game so far, and who he thinks is scum and why, metagame aside.

It seems like this has been unanswered. He did vote for roflcopter, for the reason given:

say, caboose, i hate to fight meta with meta, but i distinctly recall you espousing in another game how very much you hate to see meta used basically at all, so its pretty suspect that you're using meta to vote for me

I'm not voting you because of the meta. I'm voting you because of your reaction to what I said and your knee jerk reaction vote on me.

But you also said:

Vote: Caboose

for OMGUS.

I called out rofl way before he voted me. So really, he's the only one OMGUSing.

Does this mean you called him out solely for metagame reasons (and reactions to your metagame arguments)? Or did you have some other reason for suspecting him/calling him out

before the votepost

?