Open 102- Lover Mafia (Game Over) before 712

neko2086 · Post Post #25 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:41 am

First Vote Count:

SensFan (3): ZazieR, SilverPhoenix, charter
sekinj (2): roflcopter, SensFan

Not voting: sekinj

4 to lynch

SensFan · Post Post #26 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:28 am

SilverPhoenix wrote:
SensFan wrote:Maybe I did; maybe I didn't.
Oooh, mysterious. Why do you have something to hide about trying to roll sekinj?

Maybe. Let's put it this way, do you think I have more motivation as Scum to call for a page 1 hammer than as Town?

SilverPhoenix wrote:
SensFan wrote:What matters is that SP didn't do it. Didn't even vote me until I called him on it.
What does this suggest? That you are my lover? That I'm actually
careful
with my vote?
Not impressed either way.

Really? I have no votes on me, would need

4

to be lynched, I commit something you consider rather scummy, and you think its normal not to vote me? That's both bullshit and ridiculous. I suggest you concede the point, or I will meta you and 95% likely bust you for lying.

charter · Post Post #27 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:15 am

sekinj, hammer sens.

SilverPhoenix · Post Post #28 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:21 am

SensFan wrote:Maybe. Let's put it this way, do you think I have more motivation as Scum to call for a page 1 hammer than as Town?

Under standard situations, I would say Town because a town lynch would result in your own lynch as scum, but in reality, that's full of WIFOM. That's because the town is obviously in LYLO, and the scum could pin up the main proponent of the townie lynch, get one person to vote for town and hammer.
All in all, the town gets two shots, and there was no way that I would leave it to a 33% chance that sekinj was scum.

SensFan wrote: I have no votes on me

You talking about then (when you noted me not hammering sekinj) or now?

SensFan wrote:I suggest you concede the point, or I will meta you and 95% likely bust you for lying.

Go right ahead. I find myself almost never voting for lynched players. Check my wiki for my newbie game, Mini Normal 682, and Mini Theme 693 for all the times I am not involved in the lynch. I'm not saying that it is a good thing, but I do it a lot, so consider it a meta.

SensFan · Post Post #29 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:29 am

SilverPhoenix wrote:
SensFan wrote:I suggest you concede the point, or I will meta you and 95% likely bust you for lying.
Go right ahead. I find myself almost never voting for lynched players. Check my wiki for my newbie game, Mini Normal 682, and Mini Theme 693 for all the times I am not involved in the lynch. I'm not saying that it is a good thing, but I do it a lot, so consider it a meta.

Are you quite certain you do not want me to meta the fact you are defending your not voting for me?

SensFan · Post Post #30 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:29 am

charter wrote:sekinj, hammer sens.

I endorse this product and/or service.

sekinj · Post Post #31 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:52 pm

SensFan wrote:
charter wrote:sekinj, hammer sens.
I endorse this product and/or service.

You want to be hammered? Why did you even start this game if you want out so quick? hammer yourself if you want it so bad.

SensFan · Post Post #32 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:16 pm

Town should never self-hammer.

sekinj · Post Post #33 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:15 pm

SensFan wrote:Town should never self-hammer.

town shoudl never want to put scum closer to winning either. What good is it to the town if you a townie asking to be hammered on page 2? seriously, ask for replacement.

charter · Post Post #34 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:07 pm

I don't view hammering sens as putting scum closer to winning. There's a 33% chance he's scum. 40% chance if you are like me and are not scum yourself. As Wall-E would say,
ODDS FROM THE LOINS OF JESUS.

If he's town, then tomorrow it becomes a 50% chance. There's a 50% chance of winning this game on pure luck, add scumhunting in (aka, you and SP are scum) and the odds go above 90%.

charter · Post Post #35 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:16 pm

Actually, no sense in making it a sens hammer. I view sekinj as much more likely scum than sens, and my math holds true to everyone regardless of who's lynched. Might as well make it a scummy person.

unvote, vote sekinj

SensFan · Post Post #36 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:18 pm

sekinj wrote:
SensFan wrote:Town should never self-hammer.
town shoudl never want to put scum closer to winning either. What good is it to the town if you a townie asking to be hammered on page 2? seriously, ask for replacement.

Whoa, back up. You expect me to believe that you thought I actually agreed with a hammer on ANYONE on pages 1/2?

You wanting me replaced has been noted.

charter · Post Post #37 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:28 pm

SensFan wrote:Town should never self-hammer.

Also, Ironic coming from you.

sekinj · Post Post #38 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:31 pm

@charter - you're being stupid.

@sens - then explain yourself. If you are town, why would it be good for the town to lynch you on page 2? I want you to ask for replacement if you are wanting yourself lynched just to get out of the game. I don't know why else you would be so determined to encourage everyone to lynch you so early. Please explain.

charter · Post Post #39 (ISO) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:35 pm

How am I being stupid? I was in a game where someone was hammered before everyone had even posted. Painfully obvious to find one scum from it. In this game, all you have to do is fine one scum.

SensFan · Post Post #40 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:28 am

charter wrote:
SensFan wrote:Town should never self-hammer.
Also, Ironic coming from you.

Not sure where you get that. Never self-hammered as Town, or encouraged anyone else to self-hammer as Town.

SensFan · Post Post #41 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:31 am

sekinj wrote:@sens - then explain yourself. If you are town, why would it be good for the town to lynch you on page 2?

If anyone hammered me, ANYONE, they are Scum. It's that simple.

sekinj wrote:I want you to ask for replacement if you are wanting yourself lynched just to get out of the game.

I don't believe that you actually believe that.

sekinj wrote:I don't know why else you would be so determined to encourage everyone to lynch you so early. Please explain.

Or that.

I don't buy that you think I wanted to be lynched. I think you are trying to convince someone who is not your buddy to hammer me, and when you saw that wasn't working because your buddy can't even vote me without me pushing for him to vote me, you decide to try and get me replaced.

charter · Post Post #42 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:40 am

SensFan wrote:
charter wrote:
SensFan wrote:Town should never self-hammer.
Also, Ironic coming from you.
Not sure where you get that. Never self-hammered as Town, or encouraged anyone else to self-hammer as Town.

Uhhh, yeah you have. I was in the game with you when you did it. Oddly enough we decided it was the best move for the town though. NG 638.

SensFan · Post Post #43 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:52 am

Oh, that's completely different, and is one of the several well-documented clauses. We had a forced win if a Townie was lynched, the Doc didn't claim, and the Cop didn't have an Innocent on said Townie.

ZazieR · Post Post #44 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:35 am

So what was the use of bringing NG 638 up?

SensFan · Post Post #45 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:46 am

ZazieR wrote:So what was the use of bringing NG 638 up?

I didn't. He was technically correct that I have self-hammered, although (as I explained) it has no relevance to any "Town should never self-hammer" discussion.

sekinj · Post Post #46 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:30 pm

SensFan wrote:I don't buy that you think I wanted to be lynched. I think you are trying to convince someone who is not your buddy to hammer me, and when you saw that wasn't working because your buddy can't even vote me without me pushing for him to vote me, you decide to try and get me replaced.

I

couldn't

believe that

anyone

would want to be lynched on p2. It doesn't make sense. That's why I wanted you to explain yourself. Now you have, and I'm satisfied with the explaination.

I don't understnad what you are talking about regarding me trying to convince buddies or non-buddies.

SensFan · Post Post #47 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:09 pm

You are Scum looking for a quick lynch. You don't want to hammer me. Your buddy doesn't even have the balls to put a first vote on me, so you are trying to get me to hammer myself. Failing that, you wanted me replaced.

SilverPhoenix · Post Post #48 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:06 pm

SensFan wrote:You are Scum looking for a quick lynch. You don't want to hammer me. Your buddy doesn't even have the balls to put a first vote on me, so you are trying to get me to hammer myself. Failing that, you wanted me replaced.

1. My vote was the second. ZazieR voted for you first. Technical, but precise enough to show you are twisting the blatant facts.
2. Repeating the fact that I am scum refusing to hammer my buddy isn't going to make it truer. If I hadn't posted and say ZazieR did a random vote, you would have done the same to her. The fact was that you are supporting a true, yet weak argument to suggest I'm scum. As I said before, scum make weak arguments because they can't make any other ones.
3. How can she be looking for a quicklynch AND not be voting for anyone? And why is it okay for you to push a lynch on page 1 and not sekinj on page 2? You can't say I am scummy for

not

voting for a superquicklynch and say that sekinj is scummy for wanting a quicklynch. Can't have it both ways.

SilverPhoenix · Post Post #49 (ISO) » Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:12 pm

SensFan wrote:
SilverPhoenix wrote:
SensFan wrote:I suggest you concede the point, or I will meta you and 95% likely bust you for lying.
Go right ahead. I find myself almost never voting for lynched players. Check my wiki for my newbie game, Mini Normal 682, and Mini Theme 693 for all the times I am not involved in the lynch. I'm not saying that it is a good thing, but I do it a lot, so consider it a meta.
Are you quite certain you do not want me to meta the fact you are defending your not voting for me?

No, I do. I want you to meta me for this if you really want to. I'm just saying it is more of a personal preference than anything.

I am confused as well about the "I endorse my lynch" comment. sekinj took it too far by saying he should be replaced, but the point is that there is no sensible explanation for it.