Open 105: Crush Mafia (Game Over) before 714

[charter]

Vote Count:

ortolan - 1 (ortolan)
TehVariable - 1 (populartajo)
populartajo - 1 (neko2086)

Darox - 2 (Crazy, farside22)

Not Voting: (2)

Darox
TehVariable

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch!
Massive prods going out.

[charter]

farside22, Darox, neko2086 have been prodded.
After three prods you get replaced, so keep posting!

[farside22]

farside22, Darox, neko2086 have been prodded.
After three prods you get replaced, so keep posting!

No offense but my last post was 48 hours ago. Your front page says every 72 hours. If you are expecting 48 hours then you can replace me as weekends are usually nuts for me.

Tajo: Your gut is all you have in these game?
meh I think tajo could be town I just feel like giving him a hard time. I'm not getting anything from Darox which is normal but he isn't even his usual joking self. Just something to ponder.

[neko2086]

Sorry, not a lot of access for a couple weeks, especially the next few days.

Crazy, thanks for clarifying.

So, an

unvote

is overdue. Ortolan worries me the most so far. His defensiveness when being interrogated, and his threats to vote people for continuing to question him aren't sitting well with me. Also, I'm not sure I buy that his vote for Darox was a joke. It wasn't clear at all that it was a joke, and if it was, it really wasn't all that funny... it looks more like a cover to me at the moment.

vote: Ortolan

[ortolan]

Farside is more gut than anything. And I think you are town because I dont think it would be a good play to be that confrontional this early. Also I think its either more probable that you are town defending with so-so reasoning than scum winning negative attention. Either that or you are agressive scum. How would you consider yourself?

I will have to go with the "not-scum" option in light of my role pm.

So, an

unvote

is overdue. Ortolan worries me the most so far. His defensiveness when being interrogated, and his threats to vote people for continuing to question him aren't sitting well with me. Also, I'm not sure I buy that his vote for Darox was a joke. It wasn't clear at all that it was a joke, and if it was, it really wasn't all that funny... it looks more like a cover to me at the moment.

Questions for you:

What about my response to reactions to my setup questions reads as defensive, and by extension scummy?

What made you think the content of my Post 30 was not a joke, and by extension how is this scummy?

[populartajo]

Charter: Prob V/LA since today until after Christmas, maybe more.

[neko2086]

What about my response to reactions to my setup questions reads as defensive, and by extension scummy?

mmm I'm pretty sure I just said why. Do you remember threatening to vote people for questioning you? Yeah, that's not very pro-town. We need to question people on everything, even the little things (especially on D1), because that's the only chance we have of flushing out the scum.

What made you think the content of my Post 30 was not a joke, and by extension how is this scummy?

lol. The part where you voted darox for being the lyncher after you had already made your joke random vote on yourself. Lynching the lyncher doesn't really help anyone but the scum.

I will admit though, I tend to be dense when it comes to jokes over the internet (because, in case nobody has told you yet, sarcasm doesn't translate well), so I'd really like to know if anyone else thought your darox-vote was a joke.


pop, do you play by the assumption that the scum aren't going to make mistakes? I'm just trying to get a feel for why you think ortolan is more likely town just because he'd be playing badly if he were scum... Also, now that ortolan answered your question to him, I realize that it was kinda a weird question to ask. What were you hoping to accomplish?

[TehVariable]

I apologize...I really can't get into this game. I think it would be best if I indeed replaced. I'm sorry about committing where I couldn't really follow up. I'll try to be more careful in the future.

So...

Mod, sorry...but could I be replaced?

[neko2086]

boooooo. It's just getting good.

Mod:

, considering the holiday season, I request that posting requirements be temporarily lifted. Like pop, I will likely not be posting the next couple of days, and I'm just guessing that others will be in a similar boat.

[farside22]

I should be okay for Christmas even. However Christmas day I don't expect to be around.
Also I would like the mod to note weekends as always busy for me in the future.

[charter]

So...

Mod, sorry...but could I be replaced?

Yes, looking now.

Also, there won't be any prods until after new years. Try and keep posting as much as you guys can but don't worry if you're not going to be able to.

[charter]

I should be okay for Christmas even. However Christmas day I don't expect to be around.
Also I would like the mod to note weekends as always busy for me in the future.

Noted.

[Darox]

I should have mentioned my limited access status.

[Crazy]

On second thought, it is actually beneficial for scum to call someone else as a likely lyncher target, not to discredit their arguments, but to make them a nonviable lynch target, in the case that they were their scum-partner.

What do you think of that, ortolan? As I see it, someone that says "Player X is the lyncher" is more likely scum defending their scum-partner rather than scum trying to discredit all of a townie's arguments.

[ortolan]

What do you think of that, ortolan? As I see it, someone that says "Player X is the lyncher" is more likely scum defending their scum-partner rather than scum trying to discredit all of a townie's arguments.

Ortolan is obviously the lyncher anyway; all we have to do is not lynch who he says we should.

Hi, there, scumpartner. Oh and hi there, Darox, you are also my scumpartner because I said the same thing to you (albeit jokingly, depending on whether you are talking to me or neko).

Do you remember threatening to vote people for questioning you? Yeah, that's not very pro-town.

I interpreted there as being implied suspicion in the questions. I did not think this suspicion was justified, thus I thought it likely to come from scum sources. In light of posts like populartajo's Post 80 I've considered I possibly misinterpreted the intent of the questions, however.

[farside22]

On second thought, it is actually beneficial for scum to call someone else as a likely lyncher target, not to discredit their arguments, but to make them a nonviable lynch target, in the case that they were their scum-partner.

What do you think of that, ortolan? As I see it, someone that says "Player X is the lyncher" is more likely scum defending their scum-partner rather than scum trying to discredit all of a townie's arguments.

I think my head hurts with that type of logic.
I could see the mafia trying to figure out who the lyncher is as if the lyncher wins they lose. They may and try and figure out who the lynchers target is so they try and stay away from the lynch so they don't lose. It's a precarious position I just realized as typically mafia like to get anyone but there scum buddy lynched, but now have to worry about a lyncher who could win the game.

[Crazy]

Hi, there, scumpartner.

That original comment was a joke, btw. And besides, I'm not saying that people calling someone the lyncher might still be honesthearted town (or scum); just that's another option. Still, I don't see the possibility of scum accusing townies of being the lyncher to discredit their arguments as very probable.

[ortolan]

That original comment was a joke, btw.

neko may disagree.

[ortolan]

Crazy, fyi I interpreted Post 113 as implying Darox and I are mafia and I was defending my scumbuddy by suggesting he was the lyncher. I was pointing out the fact you originally said I was the lyncher, interpreted with the same argument then also implies you are my scumbuddy and were defending me. Your original comment was a joke, but you'll see I said my comment about Darox was a joke also, so they are perfectly equivalent.

[farside22]

I get what crazy is saying I just don't see that as what happened. This type of game feels more like something where scum will hide under the radar to figure things out.

[Crazy]

I get what crazy is saying I just don't see that as what happened. This type of game feels more like something where scum will hide under the radar to figure things out.

Like Darox, you mean?

[Darox]

Did a reread.

Vote: ortolan

This vote has reasons.
The reasons being ortolan is mafia.
I can't tell if he's the godfather or not, but even if he isn't a goon is definitely better than a townie or a lyncher.

Also, I think Crazy is the lyncher, but I wouldn't put money on it yet.

[ortolan]

It's hard to argue with that logic...

Because you didn't provide any

Vote: Darox

[ortolan]

EBWOP:

Unvote

Vote: Darox

I just realised you put me at L-1, including my own self-vote, with no reasoning. At least neko (barely) made an attempt to give justification for voting for me. How very scummy of you.

[Crazy]

Unvote

L-1's not necessary. I'll give Darox the benefit of the doubt and assume he has logic that he'll post soon.