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negative, commander.In post 63, Wh4t wrote:Hi Archwing, good to see you again. Do you have any initial impressions from the other players?
even if I did, I don't really trust my day 1 reads, let alone from RVS. I'm more of a late-game player tbh.
all I know is that brassherald might be a PL, apparently he can be awkward af, so be wary i suppose?
probably gonna lay low and try to sort some things from the sidelines rnGTKAS
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maki how do you feel about rolling miller this game? have you ever played as miller before?
last game i was in with a miller, it was a shitshow cause some asshat pushed "always lynch claimed millers d1"GTKAS
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In post 89, Cedrick wrote:
Haven’t seen anything worth weighing in on yet.In post 87, Raskolnikov wrote:wait a second, why is no one weighing in on beefster
This is bad.In post 90, brassherald wrote:
Hard agree.In post 89, Cedrick wrote:
Haven’t seen anything worth weighing in on yet.In post 87, Raskolnikov wrote:wait a second, why is no one weighing in on beefster
Literally in this thread someone referenced optimal Miller play via wiki is to claim post one.GTKAS
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Don't pocket meIn post 80, Raskolnikov wrote:wh4t and arch are doing gods work btw but I'm not sure on gamma yet (and pressure doesnt necessarily help me sort him any faster either but I'm also hoping to do it via meta if I can get back up to speed there)
I've seen you in a few games that I've creeped on, most recently was the large normal that imploded from dunkerIn post 82, brassherald wrote:Why would I be a policy lynch? I've never been policy lynched.
Granted, I am selective with my words and free with my votes which has drawn suspicion, but I have gotten better.
Also, have we ever even played together, Archwing?GTKAS
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Chronological progression:
Someone claims Miller
People talk about it
Someone refs wiki which states optimal play
Beefster says claiming Miller was bad
And now there is nothing worth weighing in on?
I said I was gonna lie low but fuck sakes.GTKAS
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In post 70, Archwing wrote:
probably gonna lay low and try to sort some things from the sidelines rn
If that's the case why did you wait until now to vote?In post 104, Cedrick wrote:
What do you call a woman falling in love with a carnie? Juggle FeverIn post 98, Archwing wrote:Chronological progression:
Someone claims Miller
People talk about it
Someone refs wiki which states optimal play
Beefster says claiming Miller was bad
And now there is nothing worth weighing in on?
I said I was gonna lie low but fuck sakes.
Not that it matters, I don’t recal anyone saying it’s optimal play to do that.
What’s wrong with two people having a different opinion? Beefster not sharing somebody else’s opinion doesn’t mean they are scummy for it.
I’m more interested in you saying you were going to intentionally lay low. My opinion of you of a player has dropped because it’s never acceptable to lay low. It’s actually pretty scummy.
VOTE: arch
I think that completely disregarding Beef's opinion and saying there is not any discussion to be had from that, which is somewhat of a stark contrast to the wiki recommended play, is asinine.
btw... you were the one who referenced the wiki. lmao.In post 43, Cedrick wrote:
Did you hear about the human cannonball? He got fired!In post 39, StefanB wrote:Interesting that no one else really reacted to it. But one was interesting:
Most people don't really react to miller claims anymore. Most people believe proper play is to claim it in your opening post and it's mentioned on the wiki. The best thing to do is just ignore it and treat him like any other player since the miller claim is not verifiable (at least not by a cop)GTKAS
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yeah, fine, you didn't use the word optimal. but what i said in 112, which LITERALLY USES THE WORDS YOU SAID, "proper" and referencing wiki, one could easily read that as optimal, or something of that nature.GTKAS
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In post 117, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Don't put words in my mouth.In post 114, Archwing wrote:hey koki. you claimed not town? wanna talk about it?
VOTE: ArchGTKAS
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nah im fully capable of talking to both you and cedrick. I just didn't want our little chat to drown out what you said!
alright lemme clear something up:
KOKI DID NOT CLAIM ANTI-TOWN
CEDRICK DID NOT STATE MILLER-CLAIM POST #1 IS OPTIMAL PLAYGTKAS
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talk less probably.In post 131, Kokichi Oma wrote:What would we do without you Arch.......
how boring.
vote bujaber with me please. it will be funGTKAS
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yeah pretty much all of this is true, tbhIn post 137, Kokichi Oma wrote:Nope! He put words in my mouth. I asked a question, never claimed it. If he really thought I claimed it he would have voted me.GTKAS
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wagons provide good information to look back on. bu had a semi-started wagon.
yeah i probably do seem scattered. i was honestly rattled by cedrick at the start there, but i'm over it now. i admit looking back it's not exactly what he said, although i do think it could be left to interpretation.GTKAS
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brass... dude i'm not trying to push you as a PL. I'm merely stating that you can be considered as one. just like how i would assume everyone here knows that UCV is lynchbait, and as such should not be d1 lynched, typically.GTKAS
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Actually gamma I'll answer you right now.
I don't really see what I'm stretching? I'm just trying to spark some discussion, point out a few things, and see where it goes. Its all for reactions my dude. Thats how I get reads.
Pedit cause I don't want people to feel like I'm misrepping them. That irritates me. So I wanted to be explicit and transparent.GTKAS
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Do you think it's a good question for scum to ask?
Yeah nah I have a bigger issue with misreps and whatnot. Actually bu and stef could attest I fucked up with regards to that in our last mini normal.GTKAS
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i'll explain again. I'm not policy lynching brassherald. I'm saying that he is PL-able. He can be lynchbait. Don't fall for this right away. And, also as I said earlier, reference UCV. Mathdino, who I'm sure lots of you know, references to UCV as 2017 lynchbait. Y'know what I mean? Brass is just kinda really fuckin' weird. Let him play and don't autolynch the guy.In post 224, StefanB wrote:Archwing: Second version I did delete the first somehow
Why do you think he is a PL? I don't understand that.all I know is that brassherald might be a PL, apparently he can be awkward af, so be wary i suppose?
I will go back to defend myself about my treadment of the millerclaim (Preview: I am rusty on chances of side-meta regardless a role I haven't seen since 2012)maki how do you feel about rolling miller this game? have you ever played as miller before?
but why those questions?
124 gives me pause. Why did you when you were engaged go back to a vote on a person who hadn't posted at this time?
P-Edit: I looked at Koki, I have seen weird towncleams but not this claim, which was strange. Why don't you exspect people to react different?
The miller questions @ maki were cause a)they claimed miller, so that something to talk about b)reaction test to see how other people were going to respond to that.
And yeah i was engaged a lot at that point in time. I was comfortable with the results i had gotten from my tests. At that point I then wanted to start a wagon, on Bu who at the time had not even checked into the game. I think d1 wagons are extremely important at end game mylo lylo situations.GTKAS
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i got nk'd that game, by BuJaber, 'cause i had tunneled him previous to Moz and had him SR'd, and so he killed me out of WIFOM.In post 279, StefanB wrote:Archwing: Accepted.
Want to state somethink re last game. Me towards Mulch- you towards Moz, no big difference.
You were nightkilled and I think I looked better because how the next 2 days went.
@Mod: lol
But i'm not referencing that game for my town deathtunnel (oops), i referenced it with regards to misrepresentation, cause if you recall I had that blip with the quoting thing where I removed some the quote unintentionally, allegedly altering the meaning of it.
that's the shit i'm trying to correct in my lifeGTKAS
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so kind of? i don't really townread you rn so i'm fine with my vote on you tbhIn post 277, Archwing wrote:I think d1 wagons are extremely important at end game mylo lylo situations.GTKAS
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yo maki.
not that i wanna discredit your vote and all
but thats the awkward bullshit i was talking about with brass. just a heads up, yeah?
pedit. yo, koki is probably town. just stop with this shit.GTKAS
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koki townread is gut mostly. i know a lot of their posts are nai and whatever.. but i dunno. i feel like their town. i really wish i could build a case on this but i can't rn. like i've said, my d1 play is pretty meh.GTKAS
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town to scum,
{archwing}
{bujaber, koki, stef}
{cedrick, maki}
{wh4t, gamma, brass, kaito, beef} ****
{kiana, rask}
* = null line. above it are slight townleans, nothing more.GTKAS
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because no one is hard town at this point to me yet.
i'll repeat. i'm not good at day 1. i do better with associations. i get gut reads n shit but i'm usually way offGTKAS
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koki, you remember that large normal of dunkers that imploded? you did it there too. and a few other games i've creeped that you were in, that i spectated.GTKAS
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In post 405, Kiana Kaslana wrote:
Townpoints to brassherald for this good vote.In post 265, brassherald wrote:Arch has 34 posts, I see a few "reaction tests" and no scum hunting.
VOTE: Arch
this is obviously biased, since i'm the target in question, but holy fuck this shit is bad. I really wish I rolled vig so i could just shoot you.In post 406, Kiana Kaslana wrote:I would usually give townpoints for this good vote, but there is a maximum cap on these. Since Wh4t already hit the cap, it can't go higher from this small gesture. But, a pat on the back for you.
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In post 407, Kiana Kaslana wrote:
Pat on the back rescinded for this vote. Why are you scumreading Bujaber? He has townpoints. I don't agree that following my reads is bad, when the fact is that my reads are good. This optimal to play to wincon.In post 343, Wh4t wrote:
BuJaber bothers me because he seemed to be pandering to Kiana on his entrance e.g. his read on Stefan. It also bothered me that he had me as his only scum lean, yet he voted for Rask (again following Kiana's lead) for something he termed strange. When I pushed him to explain his scum read on me, he talked to me from the perspective he knew I was town. I mean, telling someone that their playstyle is "aggressive" and that it's not the best way to get responses from others is not a valid reason to scumread someone even if accurate. It felt like he was trying quite unnaturally to be reasonable to both me and those reading his posts (200,201). I find both his intent and approach suspect towards me.In post 340, Archwing wrote:town to scum,
{archwing}
{bujaber, koki, stef}
{cedrick, maki}
{wh4t, gamma, brass, kaito, beef} ****
{kiana, rask}
* = null line. above it are slight townleans, nothing more.
In regards to Arch, he called him too scummy and reasoned that he must but a jester; however when Gamma pointed out that Jesters do not exist in this set-up, he said thanks but neglected to readjust his read of you.
In summary, so far it's all trying to look good and busy without actually doing anything I'd consder towny.
In fact I'm more confident in my BuJaber read than I am of my read on you.
VOTE: BuJaber
Arch what are your thoughts on BuJaber? He looks like a big town read to you.
notice when these posts were made? i said you were prob town.In post 408, Kiana Kaslana wrote:
Good catch. Archwing calls me "probtown" but then in that nonsensical reads list he puts me as scum. Obviously, I've caught Archwing too, so he has no choice but to scumread me. Townpoints to Kokichi, massive scumpoints to Archwing.In post 347, Kokichi Oma wrote:
...??What?In post 207, Archwing wrote:don't really like kiana's intro, but probtown
then, like 150 posts later (which implies a passing of time, in which an opinion or read could change)
i know that might be hard to understand, but consider giving it "progression points" if that helpsGTKAS
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that only benefits you if you're scum.In post 414, Kokichi Oma wrote:Today ends in an Arch lynch.GTKAS
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if you wanna know who I am, you can find it between pages 1 and 15.In post 415, Kokichi Oma wrote:Kiana is an okay lynch I guess, but I want Arch flipped.GTKAS
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it's ALMOST as if you're omgusing the people who scum read you..In post 424, Kiana Kaslana wrote:
Only scum are scumreading me dearie~In post 422, Maki Harukawa wrote:Can't tell if I can't see why Kiana is scum out of bias or I really can't see it.
Can someone explain to me why she's scum danke.GTKAS
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yes, i would be willing to. but at this time, i'm not interested in moving my vote atm.
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yeah this is a good post.In post 440, Wh4t wrote:In post 436, Kiana Kaslana wrote:Mate, I really do not care if my scumreads vote on me. Weird that you have to make an exaggerated theatric to publically call for your buddy to vote me, that suggests scum do not have daytalk. That makes the game easier for us, I guess.
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yeah gotta disagree here stef. I think koki asked a pretty reasonable question there.In post 444, StefanB wrote:Kokichi: This is to much for people to check. If you belive that people should check if someone lied, please be specific and make it easy to check.GTKAS
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yeah probably not svs there. This is where I wanna see a flip, look for associations, etc.In post 476, Raskolnikov wrote:I'd like to see where arch stands on me vs kiana since we're his two biggest scumreads.
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so here is why kiana's point system is a dumpster fire of bottom-feeder trash.
ISO her please. Look for every instance she gives points.
1. confirmation bias
she just gives out "points" graciously wherever someone's read aligns with hers. This can be easily manipulated. She claimed it was not the case, and she only did it for people who voted me before she stated her SR on me, but there are explicit contradictions to this.
2. shitty reasoning
essentially, she gives points for aligned reads, and says "your reads = my reads. you're town!" or "you voted for my town read. You're scum!" pretty fuckin awful.GTKAS
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In post 507, Gamma Emerald wrote:but seriously what have you done to deserve any respectGTKAS
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hey there cool kids. I've been slightly catching up/ reading throughout my v/la. Got to re-read through about 10 pages, and I'll catch up with y'all tomorrow afternoon.GTKAS
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