Are you softing Ronald McDonald?In post 11, Raskolnikov wrote:
I object.
VOTE: Rask
Uhm no. Definitely wasn't meant to be serious. I think you're overreacting.In post 75, Raskolnikov wrote:VOTE: Beefster
I think you may be rolefishing while trying to make it look like it's not serious.
But if you aren't serious that's an interesting place to put a non-serious/rvs vote given the VC
^This.In post 130, Cedrick wrote:What time did the man go to the dentist? Tooth hurt-y."In post 125, Raskolnikov wrote:everyone's fighting each other, but atm I'd like reads on the table from people who haven't put weighed in so much atm before narrowing focus too hard.
What kind of reads do you expect people to have this early?
Some people are way too eager and it feels fake.
I think it might have been this and the rest was just confirmation bias?
Rask - overly defensive, overreactingIn post 385, Wh4t wrote:Beefster can you please give some scum reads? I only note Rask in your ISO.
wat
I agree it's a strange post, but whyIn post 514, Gamma Emerald wrote:lmao the whiteknight is realIn post 484, BuJaber wrote:I like kiana's system. Makes it very clear where she stands and how her reads change throughtout the game.
this is the de facto lynch if Kiana flips town
This looks reactive / going after low hanging fruit.In post 555, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Kokichi Oma
Actually this is scum. He's trying to play both sides by telling Kiana to claim and then suggesting an Archwing quicklynch.
What made you decide to switch your vote over?In post 564, Raskolnikov wrote:VOTE: arch
I've been upside down on this but I think occam's razor says maybe this is just scum. Play has fell off a cliff from earlygame tbh.
This post is so town it hurts.In post 637, Cedrick wrote:Did you hear about the guy who invented Lifesavers? They say he made a mint.In post 517, Wh4t wrote:It feels very opportunistic and wreckless at best, to vote without all the information when VLA on a wagon that could potentially go through before his return.
With 11 days left in the game why are you worried about a lynch happening on somebody YOU scum read?
With 11 days left in the game do you honestly think a speed wagon and lynch are going to happen?
Even if it did, since it’s on your scum read, why would that be a bad thing?
Why would I be considered the reckless one instead of whoever joined after and actually speed lynched them?
Your thought process isn’t town. Hasn’t been from the beginning. I’m sorry you rolled scum. I’m even more sorry you played your hand wrong.
Why?In post 645, Maki Harukawa wrote:both wagons are town yawn
Wh4t has been pinging me for a while. I think this is an avenue worth exploring. I'll sheep this.In post 650, Cedrick wrote:Why did the invisible man turn down the job offer? He couldn't see himself doing it.
I can handle being scum read if you actually had reasons. You started with saying my posts were fluff when 1 was. You backed off.
Later you noticed I wasn’t posting and then declared v/la and said because I’m not sorting others I’m scummy. Well hello McFly. If im not posting at all clearly I’m not sorting. Im not even playing. Being busy or absent from the game isn’t AI. If I was active lurking that’d be one thing but I wasn’t even doing that.
You say I made a horribly opportunistic vote on somebody. I’m sorry but l-3 isn’t opportunistic. That’s a classic pressure vote. You want to know why? Because it just officially became a wagon. When greater than 50% of the required votes are placed, it’s an official wagon.
But wait. How on earth are you lecturing me on opportunistic voting? You placed arch at l-2 earlier in the game while going back and forth on if you wanted to actually scum or town read him. You gave absolutely no reason for it and you even apologized to him for it. I at least gave a reason for my vote and I certainly didn’t apologize.
I vote to lynch the Hypocrite
VOTE: wht4
Somebody guilty of opportunistic voting can’t turn around and accuse somebody else of the same.
The arch wagon is good, but it's troubling that it snowballed so quickly. There is probably scum on this wagon.In post 656, Raskolnikov wrote:Stance on arch and kiana wagons, if you will.
This looks like backpedaling.In post 663, Wh4t wrote:VOTE: Beefster
I've changed my mind about wanting to end the day early. I think this is an avenue worth persuing. Rask will be happy.
Just to be clear, I do not think Arch is town. I just think the momentum on his wagon is a bit troubling.In post 697, Kiana Kaslana wrote:Are you townreading Arch? Why?In post 691, Beefster wrote:The arch wagon is good, but it's troubling that it snowballed so quickly. There is probably scum on this wagon.In post 656, Raskolnikov wrote:Stance on arch and kiana wagons, if you will.
Kiana wagon was an overreaction. Probably scum on this wagon- moreso than Arch.
Why?
It looks like a Wh4t is backing out of his previous vote by misdirecting attention to a new wagon and making it look like sheeping.In post 836, Raskolnikov wrote:Beefster ICYMI I'd like you to be more specific on your judgments in 691.
Do you expect a flashing neon sign or something? I don't think most of the town has really made that clear tbh. I'd probably only consider Cedrick and Kiana safe to leave around until LyLo at this point.In post 937, Wh4t wrote:Pretty sure this is the second time you've used the misdirection argument. If I've voted/unvoted the majority of players it's pretty safe to say it's not misdirection.In post 933, Beefster wrote:Care to be more specific and explain why I should be quicklynched? How is that pro-town?
If I'm understanding your unvote correctly, you are backing out because you'll be pseudo-VLA for a bit. I can't help but wonder if it's misdirection.
Reasons for how quicklynching you is protown:
1. You're scum.
2. You're not gamesolving in any discernable way.
3. If you're town you haven't made it obvious enough that it would be safe to leave you until LyLo should we get that far.
So we have 2 partial vig's. They both claimed X-shot. So it's like a regular vig.In post 1325, StefanB wrote:I quote Mastina about this in postgame(experienced mod)
Like, yes. The town had the strongest roles you can give a town:Here are the points about vig.Two alternating vigs (which for the sake of balance, are considered loosely equivalent to a single full Vigilante), cop, and Watcher are in fact three of the five strongest town roles we have in Normals. (The other two being Doctor and Jailkeeper, natch.)
The game was, undoubtedly, swingy. No two ways about it. ANY game with a vig will be. No ifs, ands, or buts. Vigs are one of the most swingy roles in existence, the most swingy role singleball has. Cops and watchers both are swingy roles as well, and so too was the scum role depending on how well or how poorly it was used. But the simple fact of the matter is, swingy setups can still be balanced, and this setup was about as balanced as it could get given the unpredictability of how many differing factors there were.
I think I've made it pretty clear that I town read them both, putting aside claims.In post 1380, Raskolnikov wrote:How do you read kiana and cedrick ignoring claims?
NoIn post 1451, Kokichi Oma wrote:Will beef vote kiara or no
I'm not sure I really agree with this logic, particularly for D1. Bussing is so common site-wide that I would have expected a scum partner to have hammered by now for towncred if she was scum.In post 1525, Kokichi Oma wrote:Can someone please vote Kiana so we can end this day. If she was town she wouldn't be this hard to lynch.
Eh. It's not really that I townread him. I just don't feel all that strongly about his scumminess.In post 1569, BuJaber wrote:I've tried to build a wagon with hiraki. I really don't understand how anyone is townreading him. And the kiana/ced thing came along and everyone got distracted.
No lynch thing is because I'm pretty sure that on my homesite before MS I was lynched every time I suggested no lynch. Like it's funny. They could be townreading me and I do it and suddenly all my posts are now scum-motivated. I just assumed mafia players are like that. I fully believe it makes sense in some scenarios but try to tell people that.
Summarize your case on wh4t. He kinda seems all over the place and confused.
In post 1670, Cedrick wrote:I shot gamma. Kept looking at everything, I probably over analyzed but gamma was one of the people who made good points on Kiana and later said she didn’t think she was scum, she pushed the idea of cross shooting also.
My fault on that. Originally it was going to be Bu then Maki. Tbh I’m overthinking it but somebody on the wht4 wagon is scum.
I’m really glad my stupidity panned out, that was an awesome flip
I'm not sure I really understand your thought process. How does this make Bu scum?
In post 1941, Raskolnikov wrote:VOTE: Maki
I don't think it makes sense to lynch kaito if maki town -> kaito town (probably) and maki scum ->(probably still) kaito town [weird association?]
Rask is grasping at straws here.In post 1944, Raskolnikov wrote:Lol
Okay if hiraki is actually scum then the team doesn't have a block I think, because scum move in that case I believe would be to accept that offer and stop vig shot.
From what I can tell in my quick pass before I pick my friend up from the train station, this is Hiraki's only reasoning for his StefanB vote.In post 1883, Hiraki wrote:AgainIn post 1836, StefanB wrote:VOTE: Hiraki,
L-2
I still don't like his contribution since the CC one bit. (Would have to search if I even think one post was good)
I think he is own of the most likly partners for Kiana from his play.
I think she is more likly to townread her partners or see them as null.
Townreads:
Town
Cedrick +++++
Kokichi Oma +++
Wh4t ++
brassherald ++
Bujaber +
Gamma Emerald 0.5
Null:
Beefster 0
Maki Harukawa <3
Kaito Momota 0
Now of the waggon: Bras/Hiraki, Beefster, Maki.
I personally don't want to lynch Beefster today. This is my position.@ ALLwhere is the scumtell here? This is the most opportunistic vote in the game and I'll be damned if I let it go.
The scumtell is that your reason for voting Stefan is nonsensical and only seems to be justified by that one post.In post 2019, Hiraki wrote:OK - so you voted me without telling me what the scumtell is, good talk?
Because it's weak reasoning I would have expected to be superseded by now.In post 2042, Hiraki wrote:And townies can't do what I did because...?In post 2041, Beefster wrote:The scumtell is that your reason for voting Stefan is nonsensical and only seems to be justified by that one post.In post 2019, Hiraki wrote:OK - so you voted me without telling me what the scumtell is, good talk?
Confirming this, BTW.In post 2082, StefanB wrote:Hi, Beefster has told me he JK Kaito. At the moment just collecting data.
Neighborizer, right?In post 2152, Kokichi Oma wrote:Maki already said my claim.
If anyone is lying, it would be Kaito, but either way, Kochiki probably townread both or else he wouldn't have neighborized them.In post 2161, StefanB wrote:And we are searching for 2 scum.
For the neighborhoodclaim to be false we have Koichi, Maki and Kaito all lying, imposible.
That's not exactly what I meant. I'm just saying he could be scum. He's obviously not lying about the neighborhood.In post 2164, StefanB wrote:Beefster?????
At the moment there are 3 people who are telling the same story.
At last one of them is town, so the story is true.
Scum does only lie when it helps them.
You can ask Kokichi why he did it.
BuJ - townIn post 2194, Raskolnikov wrote:Beefster can you actually go into your reads. I think one of you and bujaber are probably scum via massclaim but you not being possible as teamed with kaito anymore is a little concerning because that's what I had assumed.