[Mini 1987] Snowman's Bad Idea Mafia: Aliens [GG]

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean at the very least, the invasion's clearly started already, so Viomi's night abilities should work.

We're in evens with no information on association hunting. I'd go for a policy lynch, but the only policy lynchable people are Assembler and Viomi, both of whom need to be kept alive.

I think running more people up is just gonna result in getting us closer to an unnecessary massclaim.

VOTE: No Lynch

honestly this is true, we have minimal leads
VOTE: No Lynch

[Gamma Emerald]

jeeeeez

[Gamma Emerald]

i on the other hand in no way trust viomi to do what is best (not vigging me lol)

is this a townclaim

lol why would she vig

[Gamma Emerald]

tywin help me understand how exactly you're seeing the gamestate

it's like your issues with viomi didn't change at all after the ethos flip

like literally just explain how you think the alien team works and we'll go from there

I was trying to pressure her prior to the flip.

As far as the team goes, I think there was mid-game alignment changes because 1.op says it's possible 2. The game was paused and I don't think a pause would be needed if scum already knew each other were already good to go.

This makes sense

[Gamma Emerald]

although i'm leaning slightly more to viomi's side in wanting tywin lynched (BLEGH)

might suppport this

[Gamma Emerald]

definitely not gamma right?

Ech don't like the tone I'm getting here (hehe it's surely not him amirite)

[Gamma Emerald]

Is there any way Assembler is scum here

[Gamma Emerald]

Never got a result PM this night. Not even a No Result.

What did you ask him...

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey Wheme, are you sure your lyncher gets an ability upon lynching you?

[Gamma Emerald]

Are you willing to get lynched if Chick flips town?

[Gamma Emerald]

It's the accountability question: are you willing to take full responsibility if your guilty isn't correct? Basically, is there any room for doubt?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma ur my lyncher aren't u

LOL this plan would require Chick to get lynched first, and I could get NKed
I've seen enough lyncher plays in marathon-type games to know this would be a bad one

[Gamma Emerald]

WOW this game got cracked open
Wheme and Chick are lynchers on each other

[Gamma Emerald]

1. Assemblerotws - claims some info PR
2. EeveeLution Army - nothing
5. Brandi - nothing
6. TywinL - nothing
8. Chickadee - lyncher
9. WhemeStar - lyncher
12. Jurrasic Monster - nothing
13. Viomi - claims copvig, I believe it

So scum is in ELA/Brandi/Tywin/JM/maybe Assemble

[Gamma Emerald]

We only lynch Wheme if town is doing well.

[Gamma Emerald]

So Eevee is not hiding the truth?

[Gamma Emerald]

So Chick is conf lyncher, but Wheme may or may not be lyncher
@Viomi does your copvig kill 3ps?

[Gamma Emerald]

So Chick is conf lyncher, but Wheme may or may not be lyncher
@Viomi does your copvig kill 3ps?

This post is wrong

How
Chick claimed 3p and tried to push you, I think she's your lyncher

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Brandi
I can agree with this

[Gamma Emerald]

No.

Neither

of you are getting lynched because as I see it there's a less than rand chance of you being groupscum and we should be hunting groupscum now, not resolving 3p wincons.

[Gamma Emerald]

She very much is, she even claimed it. She's lyncher on you. You should have gotten that the minute she claimed 3p. Or do you want me to draw the

other

logical conclusion...?

[Gamma Emerald]

Because she's trying to make you out to be the one responsible?

[Gamma Emerald]

How does her deleting mathdinos posts make me look responsible?

idk but from her words that's the intent I'm getting

[Gamma Emerald]

How does your flavor = your role?

[Gamma Emerald]

Mine was flavor light. Still trust Viomi, in case anyone bothers wondering.

[Gamma Emerald]

third partys

[Gamma Emerald]

Brandi pls
Lynching 3p doesn't help us in the slightest currently

[Gamma Emerald]

she could be lying

also why are you talking to me about my vote when your vote is also on me like ???
you think im scum why you gotta go wasting your time tryin to convince me

Because I think you could be scum, and voting Chick doesn't help. And what service does claiming 3p do for scum anyway? Plus there's the fact Chick's behavior points to being Wheme's lyncher.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would scum claim scum..........

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I still think Chick's your lyncher
If she isn't who would be?

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe
WhemeStar can you state for certain what sort of guilty you got in Chick initially?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think that's a good enough summary
In the meantime
VOTE: TywinL
he fels awfully quiet

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: TywinL
he fels awfully quiet

*waves hand in face*

[Gamma Emerald]

like reviewing my notes and re reading, @GAMMA said that Tywin was town D1 due to meta. Meta is usually a strong reason. What has changed?

You probably haven't gotten far enough to read this so I'll repeat: I had wrong meta based on a faulty assumption. After knowing that I started reading them based off of their play here.

[Gamma Emerald]

wot
I thought I posted in the last 48 hours
Wheme it's possible 3 mafia in 9 town I don't wanna have to deal with lylo tomorrow with you being town, I'd rather have it get sorted out at night

Nevermind on the prod - you were 1 day 23 hours -Snowman

[Gamma Emerald]

2 weeks
that's how long it's been since tywin posted

[Gamma Emerald]

Tywin is lurking yes. But it's how he's lurking that makes him scum: he vanished midway through the game with no prior indication. Probably scum who are too scared to post.

[Gamma Emerald]

Tywin is lurking yes. But it's how he's lurking that makes him scum: he vanished midway through the game with no prior indication. Probably scum who are too scared to post.

So has the person that Tywin called scum

Pretty sure Viomi's posted more recently

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Brandi
I checked and she's been active on-site, which is more shady imo

[Gamma Emerald]

Brandi and JM both have 3 prods btw

[Gamma Emerald]

Vote Brandi instead, her lurking is scummier than tywin's was

[Gamma Emerald]

Vote Brandi instead, her lurking is scummier than tywin's was

Um.. not really tho?

She's actually been active onsite but not here

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m going to claim right now. I’m 3rd party. My win condition does not end the game, so town can still win with me. If my win condition is met I just disappear. If my win condition is unattainable I become vanilla town.

So for all intents and purposes I have been playing with a town mindset. Please don’t lynch me.

THATS UR CLAIM?

Like this claim absolutely makes sense to me btw. It's totally what I'd expect for a lyncher. I was playing the alignment on Pokémon Showdown once, my target got dayvigged, and I became vanilla town. So it makes sense.

[Gamma Emerald]

MUCH LESS IF WERE GONNA LYNCH A LURKER WERE GOING TO LYNCH CREATURE BECASE IT IS LITERALLY HIS SCUM META TO LURK

Vote it then we'll talk. If you're not gonna put your money where your mouth is I'm not going to listen to you.

[Gamma Emerald]

Wheme, you aren't even voting Chick right now. If you have a guilty why wouldn't you vote her?

BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE PLAYER IN THIS GAME THINKS SHES PLAYING TO A TOWN WINCOM SOMEHOW

She's not, she's playing to 3p wincon with town submotive

[Gamma Emerald]

MUCH LESS IF WERE GONNA LYNCH A LURKER WERE GOING TO LYNCH CREATURE BECASE IT IS LITERALLY HIS SCUM META TO LURK

Vote it then we'll talk. If you're not gonna put your money where your mouth is I'm not going to listen to you.

IM VOTING CREATRE

alright, I still want Brandi first, Creature could replace his hydra

[Gamma Emerald]

Creature doesn't post as much when hydraing he said that earlier

[Gamma Emerald]

When you think about it didn't he post quite a bit before Ethos lynch

That is true, but I'm going to wait for the hydra to get replaced to make any final conclusions on him.

Also gamma

Do you think Chickadee is deleting the posts

It's possible. Chick can you state in plain words that you did not delete the posts?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I'm a lie detector. I checked Viomi's roleclaim n1, that's why I was so sure of here being town. I forgot about the game and no acted n2 but I'm really not that upset since I would have checked something between Mathdino and assemble and I think with Math's town flip assemble is also conftown. Viomi did you answer my question about whether your cop counts 3Ps as scum? I'm thinking One of us checks Chick the other checks Wheme that way at least one check happens if one of us dies n3.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay then I can check Chick and Viomi can do whatever.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well thanks but now I have no direction for my role, shoot.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll check Wheme, since he is saying he gets feedback each night.

That is not what I'm saying

You have an investigative role that gives you results. Is that not something that would seem to give him a result were he to target you if his interpretation of his role is right?

[Gamma Emerald]

So now Chick admits to lying and gamma is just like "oh well"

Why are we letting 3rd party live anyways

Because there's no town benefit to killing them while there is town benefit to killing groupscum
also I've been in Chick's position before, no way in hell am I going to be like "you claimed 3p therefore you must DIE IMMEDIATELY"

[Gamma Emerald]

So now Chick admits to lying and gamma is just like "oh well"

Why are we letting 3rd party live anyways

Because there's no town benefit to killing them while there is town benefit to killing groupscum
also I've been in Chick's position before, no way in hell am I going to be like "you claimed 3p therefore you must DIE IMMEDIATELY"

And lynching someone who is a lurker is a guaranteed way to lynch groupscum!

A non-zero chance is better than a zero chance. It helps that I'm actually scanning the lurking for whether it's scum motivated or just someone who flaked.

[Gamma Emerald]

lol how is tywin your townread at this point

[Gamma Emerald]

also sorry for not being the biggest help, but, i just have more null/town reads than overtly scummy reads. But I feel a lot has just not been given to get much adequate reads on everyone fully. I guess we could look at things like... who accused Dino of being scum or at all tried to seriously push for him. He was pretty strong town and pro discussion so it really sucks he died. :/

Excuse me what
Like this seriously feels like leading a push on me. I believe I pushed Mathdino late day 2, might've been the only one. And why even would scum try to push him? They could just kill him, as they did.

[Gamma Emerald]

like YES i called him my town read but you KNOW im not implying hes the only one by saying it that way ???

You know I wasn't saying that, what the hell are you weaving with your attempts to push such blatant lies?

[Gamma Emerald]

Can we lynch anti town instead of lurker pile

anti town =/= groupscum

[Gamma Emerald]

Can we lynch anti town instead of lurker pile

anti town =/= groupscum

Anti town = good lynch

Why is non-groupscum > groupscum in your eyes?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ack if i were certain lyncher didnt end game id push for wheme to be lynched.

Has everyone gone braindead
There's no advantage to voting 3p in this gamestate over groupscum ever

[Gamma Emerald]

His iso urks me the wrong way

Actually maybe talk with me soon? Like I want Wheme to tell me why he thinks lynching Chick is the best option here first

[Gamma Emerald]

Go read anything upic RC modded

zzz I don't see how that's relevant

[Gamma Emerald]

Nero Cain replaces Jurassic Monster.

aaaaand I'm cool with killing that slot

[Gamma Emerald]

vote:Chick

b4 she mislynches me.

lol this vote is not town
VOTE: Nero cain

[Gamma Emerald]

Tywin, an already scummy slot.

Tywin is kinda a Vi so he's gonna be scummy and derpy as town. I don't think there's much difference between his scum and town games and maybe he's not a Vi and just intentionally nerfs his town game so he can play poorly as scum.

unvote

time to start being serious

before you even start with this
TywinL =////////= Tywin Lannister
We all made this mistake early game

[Gamma Emerald]

Wheme town btw

Excuse me what makes you so sure of this?

[Gamma Emerald]

Thank goodness Zito has arrived.

welcome Nero! pls excuse the mess.

@mod: may we please have an updated votecount?

Can we also get an updated OP? TIA

[Gamma Emerald]

aaaaand I'm cool with killing that slot

grow up little snowflake.

Has nothing to do with you and everything to do with Creature.

vote:Chick

b4 she mislynches me.

lol this vote is not town
VOTE: Nero cain

your just ignoring the fact that I was goofing off early game since you are all pissy b/c of [reacted]

Wow you fucking egomaniac why would I even be upset with you for [redacted]? Also lmao at you thinking it's early game, did you read the thread title?

Excuse me WHAT makes you so sure of this?what makes you so sure of this?

He's like a claimed lyncee and very possibly the actual lyncher so like I HIGHLY doubt he's group scum so for all intents and purposes he's town.

pls read the wiki page on lyncher, why does being lynchee exclude him from being groupscum?

[Gamma Emerald]

Wow you fucking egomaniac why would I even be upset with you for [redacted]?

I can't talk about this and you know it. I wasn't claiming that this was early game, I'm claiming that I was messing around with my vote and you and chick just ignoring that is

but I don't really think either of you are scum just bad and dumb.

I don't think I've ever seen a group scum lyncher but I guess that could theoretically be a thing.

I'm not saying that he could be groupscum lyncher I'm saying he could be groupscum lynchee. I wasn't aware you were messing around, and the context I felt was rather scummy (you either put Chick to l-2 or l-1 and both of those were pretty bad). If you're messing around that's not as bad but there's still the fact Creature completely flaked out.

[Gamma Emerald]

(I know this is kinda stupid to say to you but still)
Like think back to our first ever game together, Death Note mafia. Recall how Creature flaked out and was scum? Same thing I'm thinking here.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well, you are wrong. You weren't even trying to lynch this slot until I replaced in so I see it as nothing more than a grudge vote.

Grudge vote for what? You just said you couldn't talk about [redacted] so it has to be something here, unless you think I'm holding a grudge from some

other

game, in which case which one?
Also idk about that logic of "wheme was tunneling so he's

so obv

the lyncher", but I'll let it slide,

for now

...

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma is apparently holding some sort of grudge, IMO.

Gamma, if this is not a grudge vote, why did you not try to get Jurrasic monster lynched?

Because I was holding onto hope that Creature would actually do something. When he didn't it told me all I needed to know.

[Gamma Emerald]

but dude flaked out days ago. You not voting the slot until I came in only makes me think this is a grudge and you are currently lying.

He posts less in hydrae, plus was thinking he would replace in with his main. I honestly was probably in denial myself anyway but I'm not gonna cry over spilt milk.

[Gamma Emerald]

Holy shit that's right
Now would be a great time to have Mathdino able to ask about whether eth0s was the only alien day 1.

[Gamma Emerald]

What about his push is town-beneficial?

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I have previous experience with the scenario of being like that? Like I know MS has a motherfucking hateboner when it comes to 3Ps claiming but can we actually tone it down for once?

[Gamma Emerald]

COULD IT BE


follow me here


COULD IT BE

That she was caught scum

and made up this hokey story

knowing a lynchee was in the game

and then did a push on a pair of lurkers

Hoping she could live just one more night for more fun alien shenanigans

COULD IT BE

: T H I N K I N G :

the bolded is a problem: if she wasn't his lyncher where the hell is the real one? They should be counterclaiming at this point if your thought process is correct.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ayup I've seen what I needed to see. I'm 99.99% certain WhemeStar is groupscum, thanks to my fucking trusty-dusty-crusty tell on 3P paranoia. It's led me astray before but I'm certain it's right this time. WhemeStar inane and repetitive insistence on lynching Chick, including this switch from "antitown is still a good lynch" to "This post cases Chick as groupscum for me", points to him trying to drive a 3P lynch in lieu of actual scumhunting. This is why I've been so cagey about talking about my Wheme thoughts; I wanted to try to catch him in the act.
VOTE: WhemeStar

[Gamma Emerald]

I DO NOT CARE IT CHICK IS 3P OR NOT

SHE SAID SHE IS TRYING TO PLAY AS TOWN BUT HAS LIED TO TOWN MANY TIMES AND YOU LET HER GET AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE "I HAVE BEEN IN THE SITUATION BEFORE"

EITHER LYNCH ANTITOWN WITH US OR PROD DODGE

ANTITOWN =/= GROUPSCUM
LYNCHING GROUPSCUM IS MORE BENEFICIAL THAN LYNCHING ANTITOWN
I WAS TRYING TO ARGUE THIS TO YOU BUT YOU CHOSE TO SHIFT BACK TO THE "CHICK IS SCUM" CRACKPOT
WHY SHOULDN'T I SUSPECT YOU FOR CONSISTENTLY ARGUING FOR A LYNCH THAT VERY LIKELY BENEFITS TOWN IN NO WAY

[Gamma Emerald]

In addition to Wheme pinging that tell, he also made a scum move when he chose to switch logic which was independent of the existence of a 3P: what I shall call the Saving Throw tell. I'll explan this and the implications of it. WhemeStar was struggling with pushing his line of bullshit, then someone else came along pushing his same line of bullshit a different way and he hopped on. This is a more freeform tell than the last one, as the formative instance of this tell was a scum taking someone's excuse for their actions and running with it, and here wheme is taking someone else's logic for a push and using it as their own. So to break that down the first time it was used defensively, this time offensively. What this implies for me is that the one who grants this Saving Throw is probably town, meaning yes, I'm thinking Papa Zito is town now.

[Gamma Emerald]

HOW DOES LYNCHING SOMEONE WHO HAS LIED TO TOWN NOT BENEFICIAL TO TOWN

Is lying 100% scum? I'll admit it was kinda shifty at first but her logic makes sense now (it makes sense if she wanted to be pro-town she'd recant when she realize not recanting would hurt the town).

[Gamma Emerald]

You think scum has a role that is specifically to find one person and the thing I found is that they are deleting the post?

You think scum is a lyncher of someone else?

I think scum could have a role dedicated to sniffing out hidden parts of people's roles. I mean look at what 2iam did.

[Gamma Emerald]

"Role and Allignment Assignments are random"

So everything that has to deal with choosing roles or choosing allignment is random

I would figure that be for the start but it's a mod question maybe? Think he'd just refuse however.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't understand why Wheme would be a better choice than Chick. I mean, basically, the claim is that Chick becomes a townie if Wheme is NKed, right? That's the logical choice. Wheme is not going to be NKed any time soon because he is either scum making a gambit, or he is town who the Aliens already know that if they kill him, we just get a town replacement. The idea is that Chick is probably lying in the first place about being a third party who "converts to town" if she wanted to be converted to town as she claims, she would have never mentioned that part of her role. That's a big neon sign saying "Aliens don't resolve this issue for me, Wink Wink, I can totally be town later!"

If she is a third party lyncher, we lose just her slot, even if she is telling the truth, we lose two possible town slots if we hang Wheme when Chick leaves.

If it's down to Chick or Wheme, Chick is the obvious choice.

Otherwise, I still think Brandi's slot is going to be good. (FYI, by the replacement thread, it looks like Brandi is also replacing out, have we gotten that yet?)

I'm willing to bet the game on me being right on this one.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't see a contradiction there actually. The mechanics can be random.

[Gamma Emerald]

Let's lynch wheme, if you have'nt read my posts for why do so

[Gamma Emerald]

Let's lynch wheme, if you have'nt read my posts for why do so

Gj you would rather lynch town in this 1v1 rather than someone who has claimed third party, lied to town multiple times, and has now lied again

1) I don't know you're town
2) In pushing Chick you've been a scumfuck two ways

[Gamma Emerald]

How about we lynch Nero if we're sorting Wheme/Chick tonight
VOTE: Nero Cain

[Gamma Emerald]

btw brass do you understand your role better now?

[Gamma Emerald]

Aha so because Wheme found you you became town, is that it?

[Gamma Emerald]

hmmm...
Viomi please target wheme tonight if you can

[Gamma Emerald]

Like Chick's whole thing is that she had to kill Wheme but she becomes town, which I think is convenient at best. And now is claiming that she already TURNED town despite her wincon (to kill Wheme) not being unattainable. Unlikely, yes. Impossible no. Like the mental gymnastics she's using is tantamount to a lie. Also, there's a guilty.

Let's just lynch someone... I mean, this whole argument is not getting us any more information.

VOTE: Chick

No more compromise votes, it's Chick or Brandi for me. Everyone else can line up with me for a change rather than me trying to compromise.

Fuck no. Don't kowtow to scum just because they say so. Creature flaked, HARD. That's scum Creature 100%

[Gamma Emerald]

Brass and prob Gamma as well.

Do you know my actually role you dunce?

[Gamma Emerald]

Don't you fuckign dare!
brass unvote NOW

[Gamma Emerald]

Thanks pal. Now I don't have anything to lie detect.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also tomorrow is very likely LyLo
If I against all odds live (because let's face it with how stupid you all are I'm the biggest threat) I'm taking sole control

[Gamma Emerald]

You. All. Are. Stupid.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay not you/PZ/NC, but everyone who tried to lynch Chick? Stupid.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't fucking care. You all got a lynchboner on 3Ps because "oh it's not town therefore it's a good lynch!" NO. IT'S NOT. IN THE EXACT SCENARIO HERE IT WAS A TERRIBLE ONE. PLUS I HAD A FUCKING LIE DETECT, I COULD HAVE CHECKED HER.

[Gamma Emerald]

I said I wanted to lynch creature

And I was perfectly willing after a certain point, but nope you had to stick your head up your ass right when I'd come around to it

[Gamma Emerald]

Really though her claim made 0 sense

Mod interference, plus you're just bad. I understood it just fine. She had a 3P wincon, but failing that she would turn town.

[Gamma Emerald]

btw momo has flaked again