Mini 2006: Scummer in this game UPick GAME OVER

[Mathdino]

@mod I need to replace out

Sorry no time for this game, should have done this 1 week ago tbh.

and YOU

nothing really... just sad

this went from a shit playerlist to a fantastic one real quick

FTFY

[Mathdino]

i followed the beginning of this game for the memes but then it became godawful

i honestly just wanted to see everyone's roles and picks

so if someone could post a full claims and actions list so i remain invested in this game that'd be great

i'm caught up from the point where wisdom bitched at mastina (rightfully) for her deathtunnel, onward

i am not going to catch up chronologically

[Mathdino]

I thought it was mathdino

fucking lol at cheeky thinking i was mathblade this entire time

my good name will not be besmirched by this moon logic

can everyone stop calling mathblade 'math' thanks

[Mathdino]

so mastina and nicorobin are obviously lying regardless of card right?

[Mathdino]

can you try that entire summary again but without putting a disgusting spin on it

you spent so much time complaining about momomen that i don't actually understand what you or momomen claimed

[Mathdino]

sup erryoatgay
that looks so much worse than i thought it would

i don't know what you're asking in 3267 because there doesn't appear to be a cheekyteeky claim

@nicorobin: yeah except mastina is lying because she's mastina

it would be nice if i had a list of flavour claims as well

[Mathdino]

someone better have an awesome explanation for why this day has, on page 131, been reduced to setup speccing and attempting to mechanically solve a upick role madness game.

Edit: are you asking to be lynched to confirm mastina...?

[Mathdino]

in what universe would scum kill you or mastina in this playerlist

claim all flavour please

[Mathdino]

nicorobin you seem to continually be making very dangerous assumptions

paraphrase your role PM

do you have access to mastina's role PM

[Mathdino]

don't give me your sass thanks

i'm not on anyone's "side" here i literally just want a no nonsense list of what people claim to be and what flavours they have

Edit: oh my god shut up is this why the game is 131 pages

[Mathdino]

this is like fucking pulling teeth wtf

[Mathdino]

you did not give a list, you bitched at half the playerlist and failed to provide any flavourclaims while making 2 or 3 claims seem incredibly vague

you STILL haven't clarified your role

i'm still waiting on what i asked for
UNVOTE:

Edit: no that's clearly a stupid deal

[Mathdino]

Beeboy/lovebird claimed masons. Beeboy claimed town godfather.

So beeboy claimed town godfather mason or what? Wtf flavour?

Mastina/NicoRobin claimed masons. Mastina claimed she can make someone ninja but can’t do it to Nico (for reasons unexplained and dodgy as fuck). Nico claimed to enable Mastina.

You're clearly fudging this claim to influence my catchup.

Momrangal claimed mason cop that checks for masons and doesn’t receive alignment.

k

I am neg utility that in this game is oddly enough pro utility as I can force Momrangal to have accurate results tomorrow.

what the actual fuck does this mean

Momomen claimed some kind of message thing with Mastina (hint Momomen is scum with Mastina/Nico imho)

also a misrepresentation if momomen's latest post is anything to go by

I sent a message to LLD (I really wish she didn’t claim that) in case scum try to kill me overnight.

ok did anyone say what the message said

And Pine is just scumclaiming as scum want me deader than a doornail right now.

oh yeah that's totally a claim

Nico calls for my hammer despite me being nowhere close to a lynch anymore.

[Mathdino]

I have half a mind to replace out. I don't want to be in the game where people believe everyone and anyone except for the four mason claims.....

That, and since you think I am making dangerous assumptions because I am me, I'd like to see would you say the same thing to my successor.

But I won't, since this is the first time I've rolled an actual mason and I want to enjoy it.

- mastina has a long history of pretending to be a mason and getting her neighbours to do the same,

which she demonstrated in RC's game the last time we played together

- the idea of a town godfather is fucking hilarious and implies role shenanigans

- scum does NOT kill conftown, and especially won't if the conftown are being bad at the game

@Mathdino I did give you my role paraphrase.....

@Mathdino

My role PM says that I am masons with mastina and that I also enable her role. The mod clarified that we're confirmed town to each other as opposed to simply being called masons.

Reading is tech.....

HOW HARD IS IT TO CLAIM YOUR FLAVOUR HOLY SHIT

[Mathdino]

please stop spatfighting or i will blanket disregard the posts you make

i entered solely asking for a list of claims and you have managed to fill another page bitching at each other

it sounds to me like a lot of this is dependent on momrangal's alignment, as that, if scum, is clearly designed as a role to give scum the ability to remove all the conftown
on top of that, i wouldn't be surprised if there was an anti-claim mechanic anyway

OTM you're never getting nightkilled at this rate anyway so i don't see why you think you have to WIFOM the NK

[Mathdino]

okay i can read lovebird and that'll be my best personal contribution

then prob gonna sheep cheeky on >50% of her reads

Spoiler: a meme

VOTE: mastina

Don't do that, please. It would be boring without her around, plus she is great at fleshing out who is town and who is not.

Town: Sudowoodo
Scum: Wisdom, though he is probably being himself, but I am putting him here anyway just because

Some preliminary reads.

Is this person normally this scummy

CAN I SCUMREAD NICOROBIN?!
DO I HAVE PERMISSION TO SCUMREAD NICOROBIN?!?!?!?!?!

[Mathdino]

The scumreads on me exist because people don't know my meta

didn't see redflavor/not_mafia in the game lol

AS A REDFLAVOR HYDRA PARTNER WITH 100% SUCCESS READING HIM, REDFLAVOR IS TOWN

i consider redflavor the 2nd easiest to read player onsite next to creature

unless not_mafia starts playing strictly to his scum meta (i.e. strictly anti-town), never lynch that slot

[Mathdino]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

obligatory upon realisation that he's actually in the game

[Mathdino]

wait fuck that's a real wagon
UNVOTE:

how the fuck did that become a real wagon
is momrangal scum

[Mathdino]

STOP BITCHING AT EACH OTHER, TALK TO SOMEONE ELSE

[Mathdino]

you should be able to answer whether or not the role "mason" being scum aligned would be bastard my guy

Given that this is a theme game, I cannot guarantee the internal mechanics of any given role when it would be contained within a black box at this point.
Giving hypothetical answers regarding roles that may or may not exist isn't something that I do as a mod in the main thread.
The outlines of what constitutes as bastard are have already been specified and the questions being asked do not apply to whether this game would be directly constituted as bastard.

when was this specified, there isn't a setup section in the OP smh

have all 4 masons confirmed that they not only have confirmation that their partners are "not mafia" but also have explicit confirmation that their partners are TOWN-aligned?

[Mathdino]

I'm willing to lynch in Wisdom, Mom, LLD today. I think Yume and mastina will self-resolve as time goes on. Tbh I think there's a possibility of a mastina/eddie scum team rereading early today. It would make sense for Eddie to claim then mastina to say it validates the scumminess of her own claim, then for mastina to give eddie the pro-scum inventions for distribution. I could be missing something there. Will relook and case it.

she changed her mind on momrangal later on (and randomly tunneled redflavor so wtf) but i am predisposed to cherrypicking the parts that i like

Lynchpool currently:
Momrangal
OTM
MariaR
Kokichi

lovebird is not playing her towngame as far as i'm seeing, but masons rarely play their towngame so wtf do i know

i need people with solid meta knowledge on nicorobin

[Mathdino]

remind me why my slot is townreading you because it looks like i'm not and i'm just locking you out of the lynchpool for some arbitrary reason

[Mathdino]

remind me why my slot is townreading you because it looks like i'm not and i'm just locking you out of the lynchpool for some arbitrary reason

HAHAHAHAHA

the mod just sent me something he initially forgot to

and it clarifies this exact post

lolmod

so never mind then

[Mathdino]

Dino, how confident are you on Red? Adding another person to the town block basically breaks the game. Also, Lovebird and Bee's replacement need to hard claim mason or not before day end because its super relevant ATP. And his replacement needs to clarify whether the godfather part was a <redacted> meme or not.

pretty goddamn confident. redflavor is insanely easy to read
for some reason people keep scumreading his towngame
he's either town or his buddies are practically writing his posts for him
which, to be fair, is something i've attempted to do as scum with daytalk with him

and yeah @pine we cool

i don't necessarily trust your alignment but i understand that we both have a vested interest in keeping the other alive

[Mathdino]

i also want to note that while i'm not 100% on redflavor, it becomes 110% easy to read him after one scum flips

he consistently shoots himself in the foot with his associatives as scum

when i was writing his posts for him, i was basically saying "okay play your scumgame as hilariously obviously as possible, but make it look like i'm not your partner"

idk how capable i would've been of coaching him to look like town

and why would he purposefully play to his town meta when he admits here that no one in this game seems to actually know his towngame?

[Mathdino]

And 3 of the 4 there became major wagons. So, lol. LLD is the only one who hasn't for whatever reason.

this is because LLD, like mulch, makes it incredibly anti-town to actually lynch her as either alignment unless she AtE's herself into force replacement (cough cough team mafia)

i'm uninterested in making today any more of a shitshow than it has to be

plus i currently believe LLD's towngame is better than her scumgame (HERESY) so she can probably get BoP'd down the line

[Mathdino]

I'm going to trust your RF read.

You want to jam and break this open?

sure

you can't make me read a 130 page thread in order

i usually catch up very gradually just by ISOing people and then reading a couple pages for context when i see interesting posts

or common events that i catch in everyone's ISOs

eventually i fill in 80% of the game

regardless, what did you have in mind

[Mathdino]

ironically, she's quitting because i repeatedly called her incompetent and useless

in a game where she was scum

she got offended apparently

[Mathdino]

the queues are ridiculously slow and i don't wanna join any games right now

i've been waiting for a good slot to replace into and cheeky replacing out (plus the context of the page in which she replaced out) was a perfect opportunity

i didn't review the whole playerlist, i just read my own slot

[Mathdino]

haven't personally attacked anyone in this game or the game that she's referring to

i'm allowed to call people useless in the context of a game my dude

rn i'm defending the fact that i'm even here lol

[Mathdino]

the situation in question if anyone actually gives a shit for meta purposes, etc etc

at the time i thought maria was town and was speaking to her as if she was

game basically ended with policy lynching scum-her in mylo

anyway pine or eddie cane should compile all the roles because it's pretty terrible that OTM claims he gave the full list and left out a pretty crucial part lol

[Mathdino]

also upon review, i did not actually call her useless in that game although i believe she WAS useless because she was literally scum playing against town wincon

does anyone have any rock solid meta reads in this playerlist?

[Mathdino]

ITT: people scumhunt based on setup spec and people's reactions to said setup spec

when no one actually knows all the available setup information

gg

Edit: she means me but is ignoring the request to not call you or me "Math"

[Mathdino]

i agree that's bad considering cheeky literally played a scum amnesiac cop recently

i assume that cheeky recognised that pine is better to keep around in the long run though and was buddying pine strategically

FWIW i intend to do the same

lynching him would be anti-town regardless of his alignment.

VOTE: Lovebird
help me pressure this slot into a claim

[Mathdino]

N_M

1. which parts/how much of the game have you read

2. what are your reads

3. independently of your reads, who are you lynching and who do you not want to lynch

[Mathdino]

I said 9:4 is possible. I am not saying it is the setup.
I have pointed out multiple times after you said I said that when I didn’t.

9:4 is possible. 4 masons is not as scum lose every time. They never control their own destiny.

they'll win just fine in the situation that town decides to lollynch a bunch of masons

mastina/nicorobin is self-resolving

what i don't understand is why you're obsessed with getting mastina/nicorobin out of the picture when lovebird/beeboy is clearly the scummier "slot"

i can only assume it's because you have a bone to pick and this game has devolved into a dozen grudge matches

[Mathdino]

- beeboy/lovebird have not hardclaimed. i'm reading what you write but what you're writing is at odds with what people actually said. so thanks for the inaccurate/incomplete summary i guess?

- so what i'm hearing is you're basically arguing for a policy lynch on mastina
when we literally have a role that can confirm whether or not they're masons.

- i see nothing ruling out the idea that beeboy is a town godfather neighbour pulling some weird gambit shit with a scum-lovebird. that's why we need hardclaims.

Edit: you think that scum-mastina makes up claims on the spot without prepping them in the PT?

[Mathdino]

it became relevant
i want him to double down and pressuring lovebird = pressuring beeboy in my mind

[Mathdino]

okay, and we've reasonably shown that they're not gambiting as nicorobin's argument checks out

so i'm gonna need a triple down from beeboy and a double down from lovebird, who claimed it was anti-town to continue to discuss herself/beeboy

i need flavour claims and for beeboy to talk about the godfather shit

[Mathdino]

you would be more helpful to me if you helped pressure lovebird then

your posts "helping" me catch up are mostly just trying to get me on your side and have been relatively unhelpful because now i have to read into more things just to get a sense of what's going on

[Mathdino]

lovebird has been active onsite, i can pressure lovebird all i want

the last 3 people you've voted are

- Pine, who we've established is better off kept around and not lynched today

- Not_Mafia, the only person i'm townreading

- one of the masons

do you plan on actually doing anything other than bitching at mastina/nicorobin then?

[Mathdino]

like the correct move if you want to #ProtestVote is lynch maria

not_mafia is extremely readable and is pro-town as town

[Mathdino]

i'm lynching mastina/nicorobin if it ever turns out they're gambiting

if they want retract the obvious gambit (lol mastina mason gambiting lolololol) now is the time

i'm entirely willing to lynch lovebird/beeboy for being vague about their claim
i just don't expect they'll keep this up

also explain how you're so confident on mariatown

because i just did a casting call of who wants to propose their rock solid meta reads and you didn't audition my friend

[Mathdino]

She said something that makes her town. Deal. She ain’t being lynched like ever.

"i don't want her lynched" =/= "she ain't being lynched like ever"

try again

@nicorobin: stop with the "your partners" bullshit. what do you think you're adding to the game by telling someone they're scum over and over?

@mathblade: you don't get to pull the "are you reading my posts" bullshit on me when i've specifically said that i want fullclaims and flavourclaims from both of them

Edit: oh god i want to policy lynch mastina already

[Mathdino]

Does it look like I believe everything he says
You expect me to take all your posts at face value and all his posts as complete lies
Don't patronize me

[Mathdino]

Why don't you stop telling me what my thoughts are
And in return I don't policy lynch you to check mastina's alignment

[Mathdino]

then you're straight up bad at reading my motivations and reads? i literally fucking included him in my lynchpool last page

VOTE: NicoRobin

until you stop spamming the game with posts like this

[Mathdino]

so mastina and nicorobin are obviously lying regardless of card right?

Here. He fed some bs about us not being masons, and you instantly believe him without question, as this post clearly shows.....

i would've said that regardless of who said "mastina claimed mason"

that had little to nothing to do with mathblade's take on it

WHICH I IMMEDIATELY CALLED DISGUSTINGLY BIASED

you have a victim complex assuming people are against you here

[Mathdino]

like if i myself came across a mastina post claiming to be masons with you, then the immediate first thought is "lol mastina is lying"

she claimed mason with my scumbuddy literally last game the 3 of us were in

[Mathdino]

Why are you still arguing this

The point I want to make to you is

1. Stop it, you're adding nothing to the game

2. Don't patronize me by both incorrectly assuming what my reads are and "saving" me from evil mathblades influence

[Mathdino]

Yall been posting up a goshdarn storm which totally blows but I get it. Could someone who has been paying attention gimmie a summary of the particularly important stuff that has happened in that time, like claims etc.? I'm gonna get reading but I'd still appreciate that so I can get some participation in before the day ends.

heads up, you're not gonna get this out of this playerlist, i already tried

the only people that are in a headspace to do so are

- someone who has claimed flipless (fucking lol)

- someone who is known for good scumplay

[Mathdino]

As long as it doesn't involve some convoluted balance argument that d1 nails scum of some shit, I'm game

You were there the last time I tried to break a game on the assumption that the mod actually balanced the game

[Mathdino]

It looks like this is all dependent on beeboy and lovebird actually getting off their asses

Vote lovebird with me to get a fullclaim please

[Mathdino]

mastina you really need to work on presentation

i can think of over a dozen different places where you could've written that shit in 1/3 the words

like, speaking to you as town here, you make it THAT much harder for me to constructively critique your plan (and for townies to follow it)

if there is a flaw, it's hard for me to find it specifically because your writing is insanely twisty
that's great for your ability to talk unopposed (because half of them aren't reading your posts)
that's not great for actually solving the game

[Mathdino]

I'm the new beeboy. What can I do for ya?

Confirm that you are masons with lovebird and you are godfather

holy fuck just fullclaim both your entire role, nahdia, and lovebird's entire role as claimed to you

paraphrase your role PM please

[Mathdino]

fuck this fucking game

fucking finally

[Mathdino]

we lynch lovebird right now

nahdia, please describe your ENTIRE relation to lovebird setup-wise

did your predecessor plan this out via PT or messages or some shit?

Edit: I THOUGHT YOU FUCKING SAID BEEBOY WAS TOWN LURKING

[Mathdino]

do you guys not understand that THIS IS WHY WE NEED FLAVOUR CLAIMS

multiple people upicked the same people and got the same or very similar roles

i want a mass flavour claim from every single person who has already claimed their role in some capacity

that includes lovebird/beeboy

[Mathdino]

momomen i do not believe at all that lovebird is playing her towngame

has your opinion changed at all since you made 3220

[Mathdino]

Hence why Mastina claiming they make someone track immune is hella suspicious

Compared with there not being 4 masons as I originally suspected.

Now with Nahdia rescinding we can have momorangel check Mastina.

i mean that's idiotic because mastina/nicorobin are basically conftown now but i guess momrangal basically has nothing better to do

so yeah sure we can do that

anyone who is townreading lovebird, please tell me why

lovebird reads as someone who is recovering from her figuring out her own scumtells (you're welcome, i literally told her a 100% scumtell i had on her, WHOOPS)

there is no nuance that i would expect from town lovebird

[Mathdino]

tfw beeboy fucking RUINS the game and then replaces out when things get rough as an indirect result of his actions

nice fucking gambit everyone

[Mathdino]

because of the confusing stuff, i think it's fair to ask you to flavour claim so we can at least potentially reverse engineer what the hell your predecessor was thinking

in light of the lack of connection to lovebird, i agree a full roleclaim won't be necessary. i prefer lynching lovebird over you anyway

and you haven't sent lovebird a message either, correct?

[Mathdino]

i disagree with your setup spec that makes momrangal scum

do you think she's fakeclaiming?

that's a pretty godawful fakeclaim because if the scumteam legitimately believed there were 4 masons (or wanted town to believe this), momrangal claiming "hey guys i can rolecop masons" is basically a scumclaim in that situation

[Mathdino]

And 3 of the 4 there became major wagons. So, lol. LLD is the only one who hasn't for whatever reason.

this is because LLD, like mulch, makes it incredibly anti-town to actually lynch her as either alignment unless she AtE's herself into force replacement (cough cough team mafia)

i'm uninterested in making today any more of a shitshow than it has to be

plus i currently believe LLD's towngame is better than her scumgame (HERESY) so she can probably get BoP'd down the line

I can't tell if this is an insult or a compliment.

you also make it incredibly anti-town to openly/explicitly insult you

AtEing yourself into force replacement was a potshot yeah
i didn't think you went too far but whoops guess ya did. your replacement choked

otherwise you kinda just do the thing where your meta benefits your scumgame
like i said tho i think your current towngame > your current scumgame so i guess i don't really mind

[Mathdino]

you all suck

mastina took all day to chronologically catch up while wallposting along the way

and somehow mastina manages to be more pro-town than all of y'all

thank you mastina i'm satisfied

Edit: okay
i don't really care about the flavour of the unclaimeds but cool

[Mathdino]

Mod, this goes without saying, but extension for the replacement spam please. Deadline reset to 96 hours from the last replace in would be my suggestion because there's been quite a few, but adding 48 hours works too IG.

I endorse this product and/or service

Just saw this. I also would like this

I also want this

[Mathdino]

i hope you all realise that by nature of this setup, if scum and town both pick the same flavour, the mod is probably going to still give them the same roles just so scum isn't fucked over completely

so there's no such thing as "the mod wants me to counterclaim [x]"

it's just that having the same role as someone is NAI
like FMPOV pine could be 120% scum. my slot has only been keeping him around because it's just not helpful to lynch him before tonight or tomorrow night or whenever

[Mathdino]

i guess it's also anti-town to implicitly take potshots at LLD
i would really rather hear her commentary on the slots at hand

momomen have you ISO'd lovebird yet

[Mathdino]

mathblade, now is the time to actually go and explain the mariaR read
if anyone in this game can confidently meta her then imma need that pretty soonish

without locking her out of the lynchpool, i'm thinkin
Lovebird --> MariaR --> Kokichi --> OTM --> Nahdia --> [REDACTED]

[Mathdino]

...that is a scum role to have (at best it's an NAI role)

like if she's scum and is planning on claiming that role, of course she's going to play it as townish as possible

[Mathdino]

so why exactly are you townreading maria for something that she could EASILY fake?

[Mathdino]

I don't agree with this assessment.

If lovebird AND Nahdia are scum, I don't think they stop playing the gambit TODAY before you get lynched Mark.

They just keep pretending.

That being said, it's possible Beeboy was scum and Nahdia didn't feel she could do the gambibt anymore since she doesn't know lovebird as well, so she abandoned it and now the pressure is on lovebird?

i think the opposite.

i think nahdia keeps up the gambit after checking the scum PT and seeing The Plan for the day

i also don't think beeboy goes to such a massive length to upend the day and create multiple cc situations if scum. i think that's suicide.

what i think actually happened was beeboy implemented the test, had his whole plan fizzle out and the gamestate devolve into chaos

and scum-lovebird kind of just meh'd her way through it and went along with it

[Mathdino]

Even though I just want to lynch Mathdino so he can be the fuck out of this game.

ITT: people who played as scum against town-me (without ever playing as town together) dislike my presence in the game

go metadive my replace-ins if anyone is actually interested in sorting my slot

my replace-in meta is really all that matters

[Mathdino]

@LLD:
- i wrote an article describing the process of finding out exactly how average i actually am. i've claimed a single confident read on someone in this game (with a single somewhat less confident read). projected confidence in my tone is a purposeful strategy ingame just like raging at people is, i expect you to know that. but i'm almost always honest about what my confidence levels ACTUALLY are.

- i take potshots at people that i would be willing to take in return. people have given me shit for getting myself modkilled in that game all the same. it's not like i can seriously claim i did all that much better than you in that regard.

- i read the beginning far before i ever considered replacing into this shitshow of a game. since then, i forgot that maria was in this game. the playerlist as far as i was concerned replacing in was {MOMOMEN, LLD, mastina, Wisdom, Mathblade, Cheeky}. didn't remember anyone else, and i don't scan playerlists for people who don't like playing with me seeing as maria is the one person who's ever gone that route. i literally stated earlier that i also forgot not_mafia was in the game

[Mathdino]

not everything is a mafia game in real life

i can say "yeah i was reading this game because i was interested in seeing roleclaims" and also not really pay attention to the playerlists beyond following a select few players

i also forgot cheekyteeky was in the game until i saw her name pop up

shit just wasn't on my mind and you're acting like i purposefully joined in order to grief maria in particular

[Mathdino]

Spoiler: on my replace-in

{MOMOMEN, LLD, mastina, Wisdom, Mathblade, Cheeky}

and yeah just to hammer this in imma explain exactly why i only knew these players

MOMOMEN: claimed a weird role early game
LLD: also claimed a weird role, had an interesting progression on MOMOMEN from a spectator's POV
Wisdom: replaced out, so i checked the last few pages
mastina: was the reason Wisdom replaced out.
Mathblade: was the person who ended up taking Wisdom's slot, and was the main topic when cheeky replaced out
Cheeky: didn't know she was in the game until she replaced out

i missed the mason claims because i was not legitimately following a 130 page game

Edit: you got it, spoilered the above

[Mathdino]

omg

i have no history of grudge matches or trolling on this site

i've had a player specifically follow me around just to troll me and then getting banned for it

nothing about my behaviour has been antagonistic toward maria. i felt the need to preemptively defend what happened in the other game on a reputation level but i haven't even attacked her play, let alone her character

and me "insulting" you was making fun of you for getting (IMO) unjustly replaced out
i think i have an equal horse given that me getting myself modkilled practically threw the game
it's not supposed to be me legit going after you for anything
i have 0 bone to pick with you

[Mathdino]

like it's literally "LLD as scum makes it very difficult to lynch her to the point where the only way to D1 lynch her is her getting replaced"

extrapolated out, i'm basically saying "i don't care if LLD is town or scum, lynching her D1 is just horribad for the gamestate"

[Mathdino]

UNVOTE:

why did no one tell me that beeboy has an elli-tell on lovebird

[Mathdino]

beeboy being town means lovebird is town 100% of the time
it's unrealistic to assume that beeboy was wrong about lovebird

so if we're gonna lynch one of them, it should be beeboy, always
i'm guessing part of lovebird's complacency lately has been due to beeboy's shit

there's a way to push a secret tell without literally claiming masons but it is what it is

I need people that can meta-read beeboy by ISO.

Ignore the mason gambit. That was beeboy trying and failing to be Ellibereth.

I 100% believe that beeboy actually does have a tell on Lovebird. That says nothing about beeboy's alignment though.

[Mathdino]

Town by me: Not_Mafia
Town by tomorrow morning: mastina, NicoRobin
Town by extension of beeboy: Lovebird

Honestly probably town anyway: MOMOMEN, Nahdia

Not town but bad lynch today: Momrangal, Pine, LLD

Not town but good lynch: MariaR, Kokichi, OTM

VOTE: MariaR

[Mathdino]

@N_M: mastina and Yume will either both get inno'd or both get guiltied tonight. If they're both town, who we lynchin?

[Mathdino]

I had an elli-tell on Lovebird before I outed it to her. It's entirely a thing.

If beeboy is town, do you agree that Lovebird is town?

[Mathdino]

Okay.
VOTE: OnTheMark

You're a slot under heavy paranoia and that's currently stopping us from solving the game.

If you were still Wisdom, I'd let it be. But if you're not willing to help us on PoE by going with the 99% chance instead of the Ben Affleck 1% = absolute certainty, this is a policy lynch that needs to happen.

[Mathdino]

"Elli-tell" doesn't mean beeboy had a program go and find Lovebird's alignment 100%. It means beeboy, using Elli's methods, found something that can sort Lovebird's alignment 100% of the time. Given that I have already found Lovebird fairly easily readable by meta (this game excluded because I literally wasn't present), it's not a jump to say that such a tell probably exists.

I already had a tell on her before

.

The conditional I'm proposing is SOLELY
Town-beeboy --> Town Lovebird
It's unreasonable to ever assume otherwise. You will be wrong most of the time.

I accept that beeboy could be scum. But if he's scum, it's not because he decided he had Lovebird as 100% town. What he should've done was claim a cop-inno or a lie-detector-inno on Lovebird, rather than claiming masons. That's behind us.

I'd policy lynch beeboy if I could but it defeats the purpose when he's not around to do that. As long as Nahdia agrees that from her POV, Lovebird is locktown, I don't have a problem with that slot as much as I have a problem with yours.

[Mathdino]

Math ever since you joined (and honestly since 10 pages before Wisdom rep'd out) your slot has been playing this game purely emotionally instead of actually thinking through this shit.

If the game or players are pissing you off physically, you can replace out. It's cool, whatever.

But I'm not going to hold other players accountable for your actions. Literally you trying to "help" me catch up ended up being hilariously anti-town.

Don't be Derpy Hooves. Don't scumhunt prescriptively. The fact is that people DO fakeclaim masons.

[Mathdino]

I'm guessing I won't be able to get this info out of you so I'll put this on the table.

If you thought that beeboy was town by meta and was townlurking it out, and if the ONLY thing that makes beeboy scum in your eyes is the mason gambit, that actually makes beeboy significantly more likely to be town, dependent on your townflip.

If there's something else to beeboy's meta that needs to be said, go ahead. But as it is, the mason thing is objectively NAI.

[Mathdino]

Elli’s methods are his program lol.

Ellibereth sucks at reading me and is swingy as fuck. Sometimes he is right sometimes not even with his program.

And no he should just truth tell. There is no way there were 4 masons in the setup. And I was right. He should have immediately rescinded. I cannot see that pair as town and when lovebird who has been doing fuck all flips scum you are gonna be next for trying to sort lovebird getting the fake that you said made them scum then calling them town for it because of a player not in the game.

“Hey look I have an Ellibereth town on dino he is scum!” (Half hearted joke obvs)

I literally don't understand most of the syntax of your paragraph.

- Go read the Paragon thread. I don't think you understand how Elli gets his tells. The program isn't ACTUALLY a neural net that spits out alignments, that's a meme (one that I will continue propagating ngl).

- Elli being bad at reading some players doesn't mean that meta-tells don't work. Elli doesn't have any tells on RC, or a lot of the scum players that can manipulate their meta. Other players ARE able to meta-read RC. beeboy happens to be able to meta-read Lovebird, and he has, in his ISO, backed up that claim.

- He should have but he didn't. I'd policy lynch him if he were here, but he's not.

- If Lovebird flips scum, then that makes beeboy scum, I agree. Contrapositive of beeboy-town --> Lovebird town.

- Elli does have tells on me. He considers me one of the easiest players to meta-read.

[Mathdino]

You're dodging the question of "If beeboy is town, is Lovebird also town?"

End of the day, that conditional is what's gonna solve the game.

MOMOMEN town --> Cheeky/Dino town (this is part of why I knew Cheeky was town before replacing in)
Dino town --> Not_Mafia town (RedFlavor is my #2 easiest to read player next to Creature)

beeboy town --> Lovebird town (by Elli-tell)

and mastina <--> NicoRobin town

Read all remaining and we win.

[Mathdino]

How does "Elli-tells don't work on Lovebird" follow from "Elli-tells don't work on Mathblade"???

I don't give a fuck if you don't buy that premise.

And I said that I didn't realise Cheeky was in the game before her name popped up on replacement queue. When it did, I read her ISO and the events leading to her replace-out. You didn't seem to mind me "lying" about it when I got in a spat with LLD. But now you're dredging it up because I'm not playing friendly with you anymore.

If you're town, you're compromised, and you and mastina post way too much to de-shitshow this game.

[Mathdino]

I defer to beeboy's ability to read Lovebird.

Cuz, yknow, I'm not arrogant enough to think that I'm the best person to be reading everyone in this game.

Edit: @Pine: No, mastina is also compromised as long as OTM is alive. This town is nonfunctional.

[Mathdino]

I need a majority to agree to "beeboy town implies Lovebird town". The fact that no one pointed it out to me until I found it myself is pretty shit. Lovebird can't die if Nahdia does. And honestly, I'm lowkey townreading beeboy for pulling that shit.

OTM hurts that majority. If it's clear that a large portion of the other players agree to that partial gamesolve, then yeah I'll go with Maria/Kokichi.

Edit: I see scum!LLD doing that just fine. And role is not alignment indicative. Unless her read is >95%, OTM is the best possible townflip that can happen. If Maria or Kokichi flips town, we're back in the exact same shitshow tomorrow.

Convince mastina to stop filling 80% of her catchups with "OTM IS SCUM CAPSSSS" and that'll also work for me.

[Mathdino]

I expect Nahdia to fall in line just because we're lynching her if she doesn't, yeah.

Get LLD and mastina/NicoRobin to focus then I'm game.

Add MOMOMEN to that majority I think. No reason Eddie won't play ball.

[Mathdino]

{OTM, Lovebird, beeboy} town implies Pine town. Going this route is suicide for Pine. Too trusting of all the conditionals I'm throwing around.

Conversely thinking Pine possible-to-likely scum with any of {OTM, Lovebird, beeboy}. Not a situation that needs to be resolved now though.

[Mathdino]

So we're kind of at a point where because we're leaving Momrangal, mastina/Nico, and Pine/me alive, and because Eddie won't flip, and because Lovebird can't get lynched before beeboy,

the only useful slots to sort right now are

Not_Mafia, Kokichi, LLD, MariaR, Nahdia, OTM, correct?

Edit: PoE + policy + I think it's easier to lynch you than Kokichi.

[Mathdino]

Can you read my iso and try to give reason for scum me instead of policy so the gamestate isn't ruined it's the main reason I avoid you. If we can get that out of the way it's fine

Wasn't able to find reasons the last time you were scum either. Or at least any reasons I had, you immediately shot down. Getting into that just isn't useful. PoE is the best tool I have right now, personally.

[Mathdino]

LLD/Mom is consistent. Doubt Pine goes out of his way to assist in a PoE that fucks over both his scumbuddies basically tomorrow or the day after. Defence of LLD is consistent with Pine-scum I guess.

LLD/Mom/Maria more likely lol

Edit: Ok dude. Continue scumreading everyone who disagrees with you.
Lovebird is only scum if beeboy is also scum.
So a situation in which scum-me is defending Lovebird basically means you're calling a scumteam of Lovebird/beeboy/Mathdino.

[Mathdino]

so you're saying you also don't trust beeboy's elli-tell on lovebird?

[Mathdino]

Lovebird is only scum if beeboy is also scum.

Strong disagree

yeah this is actually a beautiful opportunity to policy maria for the same reason i was originally policying OTM

VOTE: MariaR

gotta protect lovebird amirite

[Mathdino]

remind me why you're so certain that beeboy can't read lovebird

to the point that you outright think a town-beeboy's 100% confident read is actually worse than random

[Mathdino]

listen to yourself right now

you sound like people who think not_mafia is unreadable

or worse, people who think creature is unreadable

[Mathdino]

mathblade, your argument is undermined by the continual success and high accuracy rates of people reading based off of meta

if meta-based players had =random accuracy rates, or lower accuracy than "LET'S ONLY READ BASED ON POSTS IN THIS GAME" players, then sure, your argument would hold ground

but like

your argument right now is dangerously out of touch with current site meta

Editx8: is this why the post count is too damn high?

[Mathdino]

eddie have you considered catching up in full and then quoting/responding to a single post

instead of going through the thread and repeating "no" at every post that basically has a repeat of the same points

if everyone played like you did, the thread would beat D1 records onsite

[Mathdino]

people don't learn through overflow and 5 replacements

i assume shit like this is why the thread is too long for replacements to actually catch up and learn the relevant info in the first place

what are your reads

[Mathdino]

mastina, I get what you're arguing, but the mason claims being retracted is just further proof of a larger idea that we don't have enough setup information to get anywhere near setup-spec-solving this. There are still unclaimed roles and aspects to various people's roles.

Momrangal doesn't really NEED to be sorted today anyway since she needs to come up with a result for you. So I say let the whole point rest and we'll pick it up when we do have complete information.

[Mathdino]

I don't see Maria hard defending a scumbuddy kokichi like this
But let's save that for tomorrow

[Mathdino]

hey check out this cool meme i found myself

[Mathdino]

okay i'm down with ignoring mathblade until maria flips

how many votes we got? has anyone set up the automatic vote counter?

[Mathdino]

yeah N_M's not doing so well

still, i think if i'd been here longer i'd want to policy lynch mastina too

let's wait until she's literally confirmed

[Mathdino]

we literally have one goddamn day left and half the game is wasting votes on

- marangal, who we literally need to have alive in order to check mastina/nico

- N_M, who is incredibly likely to be town

LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH let's go!

[Mathdino]

so who the fuck is the scumteam kokichi

[Mathdino]

yeah, i just replaced into cheeky's slot

eddie cane has a strong argument for why i'm practically IC level conftown

we're not lynching momrangal because otherwise mastina and nicorobin don't get confirmed

do you propose D1 lynching LLD through her V/LA

[Mathdino]

if kokichi is pulling high quality metareading on mariaR, then he's PoE'd himself out of possible scumreads

i do not trust mariaR's meta on kokichi
i trust kokichi's townread on maria more

what do you guys say to just lynching kokichi instead

[Mathdino]

usually i take it upon myself to read people correctly/accurately

but you guys were consistently stubborn/anti-town in that game to the point where it would've taken an incredible suspension of disbelief to think that your actions were town-motivated

like here: how the hell can you ever claim 100% confidence on a D1 SCUMREAD

[Mathdino]

like i don't disagree that momrangal is likely scum
the fact remains that we need momrangal around to confirm mastina/nico as masons because otherwise OTM will be throwing a fit day in and day out

neither of you seem to have any concept of team-oriented play

momrangal is never getting lynched in the next 24 fucking hours

so do you have an actual realistic lynchpool

[Mathdino]

[Mathdino]

Am I the only one who sees an additional option
You're all dumb
Why not lynch LLD

[Mathdino]

We could also lynch nahdia! I'm down for that on the condition that lovebird is town afterwards

[Mathdino]

Wow ok so now you suddenly decide that you're not 100% sure beeboy was scum

[Mathdino]

Nico that slot is town
Can everyone stop scumreading everyone that makes them salty

[Mathdino]

His posts are sheepy as hell and he isn't using his own original thoughts either.

@Math Nah, if that were the case, I'd be scumreading Pine and Nahdia as well, which I am not.

I don't think you know shit about redflavor or Not_Mafia in that case

[Mathdino]

Redflavor literally learned to sheep from playing with me
And if you expect tons of original arguments from Not_Mafia idk what to tell you

[Mathdino]

Your expectations are bad at scumhunting
There's a difference between how you want people to play and how they actually play

Not_Mafia doesn't like having to play with mastina and will always try to policy lynch her

[Mathdino]

did someone say policy?

i could policy lynch OTM still

reads listttt:
Objectively clearly town: Mathdino, mastina, NicoRobin
Town by Mathdino: Not_Mafia
Town by beeboy: Lovebird

Likely town: MOMOMEN, Pine

Remaining: LLD, OTM, Nahdia

so pick one of the 3, who we lynchin'?

[Mathdino]

because i hydra'd with redflavor and can read him

and i trust that beeboy's read on lovebird to the point of claiming masons with her, is correct

i do not believe he sacrifices his entire mafia reputation claiming masons with someone who has the chance of being scum

[Mathdino]

because you have 0 charisma and even when your arguments are correct you resort to AtE to push them

cut the fucking victim complex

i'm aware you want to lynch OTM

i'm trying to get some discussion going beyond your stupid 1v1

[Mathdino]

wait so you gave it to mastina last night then?

i feel slightly pocketed but people said alisae played obvtown so w/e

[Mathdino]

nahdia and LLD will likely both have to be lynched at some point if only to clear their reads

VOTE: LLD

[Mathdino]

MOMOMEN might siteflake so i guess we'll have to see

they're currently the only slot in this game that truly understands why i'm locktown so i'm pretty nervous to throw them out right now

[Mathdino]

i currently don't strongly expect to be nightkilled when there are 2 essentially confirmed masons in the game

if i do get nightkilled y'all are free to lynch MOMOMEN

but only after the 2nd scum lynch

flipless makes things pretty shit if we lynch them before we get 2/3

[Mathdino]

i didn't realise i was a claimed investigative inventor?
i honestly don't know what the public thinks my role is right now so i'm more evaluating myself on my slot's merits

i'm not really interested in spewing more about my role or having this conversation tho

[Mathdino]

reading that makes me no more interested in talking about the specifics of my role or pine's role

assisting with scum nightkills, etc etc

i think people get the gist

my "how to deal with my/pine's role" is really just me continuing whatever plan cheeky and pine came up with over anon messaging

i have little interest in changing that

[Mathdino]

then claim your role if you wanna 1v1 so hard

[Mathdino]

i have literally one single strong townread by play

and after correctly townlocking like 5 people in team mafia (just in my game, this doesn't count NSG's)

you're up here questioning my competence?

[Mathdino]

are you trying to tilt me or something

what the fuck have i done this game exactly that makes me insufferable or some kind of arrogant ass

Edit: what does pride have anything to do with it?

[Mathdino]

As in, I've scum read that slot since day 1, and no one listened to me day one, and oh look KOKICHI FLIPPED SCUM.

BUT WE NEVER LISTEN TO LLD SHE CAN'T EVER BE RIGHT.

your competence is irrelevant to my competence lol

we had like 3 days left on the D1 clock

i explicitly voted maria because i felt she would be easier to lynch than kokichi
also didn't really want to have yet another person fullclaim

kokichi was in my PoE bloc from the start

[Mathdino]

Well, depending on what it is, Momomen (slot) is a good choice. N_M also a solid pick.

MOMOMEN only gets lynched after 2nd scum, no exceptions

flipless is an absolute pain to deal with

[Mathdino]

Mathdinkle claims a 100% confidence townread on redflavour. He can correct me, but if that stands not mafia isnt a valid lynch. I am not overly inclined to do you or nahdia, so Pine and OTM are what's left and you dont want either.

95%

Not_Mafia literally playing his scumgame is problematic but redflavor is otherwise 100% town

[Mathdino]

guys pine is not getting lynched today
literally has a relevant night action tonight

VOTE: OTM

OTM, nahdia, or LLD is my lynchpool

[Mathdino]

Eddie, I haven't actually attempted to read you because

1. Your iso is massive

2. You're flip less so there's no point even thinking about voting you

[Mathdino]

Meh I'll put more effort into reading you after we bag 2nd scum

[Mathdino]

Implying anyone would give a shit about me townreading you then getting NK'd

What's your PoE pool Eddie

[Mathdino]

If he does one majorly anti town thing I'll be pretty ok with seeing him go

Still a 5 person PoE pool is no bueno my dude

Uhhh
I'm not SCUMREADING Lovebird atm

[Mathdino]

Mostly because mastina and nico are stonewalling the nahdia lynch because of how she replaced in

[Mathdino]

> uses an alt account
> doesn't set the pronoun setting
> complains that people don't know his gender
> after causing multiple incidents, still doesn't set a pronoun
> links to the last time he got majorly pissed like this ingame
> he was scum in that game

[Mathdino]

Scum caught for the wrong reasons is not a tell
Just so we're all clear
Thanks

[Mathdino]

guys pine is not getting lynched today
literally has a relevant night action tonight

VOTE: OTM

OTM, nahdia, or LLD is my lynchpool

Explain?

Nothing to be done
I don't want to wade further into this shitshow so I'm sticking to my PoE pool
Look through my iso on why I don't want to lynch outside of those 3

[Mathdino]

It would be sweet if KTS posted before getting mislynched this time, Eddie

[Mathdino]

WE ARE NOT FUCKING LYNCHING A FLIPLESS HAVE YOU ALL LOST YOUR MINDS

I AM NOT POST MORTEM TOWNCASING MOMOMEN

[Mathdino]

Literally flipping me is better than flipping a flipless

[Mathdino]

Even if the flipless claim is real, I don't want it going to LYLO

How the fuck are you going to know when lylo is
If the flipless claim is real

Just autolynch momo in lylo

At least you'll know their alignment if the game continues

[Mathdino]

This isn't a fucking flipless game
We have one scum down
If another goes down, Eddie is effectively no longer flipless

So if you guys only think he's scum because I'm his scumpartner, it is strictly more optimal to flip me and sheep my reads

I'm still never scum this game and I'm annoyed that 0 people have done the work to meta me (no this isn't bullshit self meta)
But whatever works

[Mathdino]

Then we better come up with some consensus
If we can prove Eddie town by association we're on a good track
I could lynch nahdia but mastina is definitely not gonna support that

[Mathdino]

Dear lord
Yknow everyone else who played that game was like
"I have meta on Mathdino but that game literally had an optimal strategy of random lynching so I accept that he's gonna play completely different"
You on the other hand just don't give a shit, fucking lol

[Mathdino]

I mean like
I also leader as scum
That's a playstyle tell and if anything it's a "irl status" tell

If you're gonna meta, do it right
Yeah in another world I might've already pored through the game for associative but I'm not onsite as much rn

[Mathdino]

I guess what I'm saying is
I lead when I'm the best pick to be leader
Like when I'm confirmed town or know that my reads are gonna be better than the others ingame
Or when I know others in game will actually give a shit what I have to say

As it is, there's just not much to do in this playerlist

[Mathdino]

Pine is a bad lynch today
I forgot that we can just rolecop MOMOMEN

Y'all are crazy
Let's lynch not that slot pls

[Mathdino]

VOTE: Nahdia

[Mathdino]

those of you who think muffinman is cheekyscumming it up right here
seem to have completely forgotten his powerplay in partition mafia
he's capable of responding to being the #1 suspect in other ways

like sure, maybe i'm confbiasing by townreading that shit
but treating him like caught scum because he's joking around replacing in is definitely confbiasyisher than me

follow god emperor not_mafia

[Mathdino]

i fully expect mastina and nicorobin to be compiling that list somewhere in their mason PT

as it is, i'm not sure, and i also asked for that upon replace-in and didn't get it

tl;dr nahdia replaced beeboy who fakeclaimed masons with lovebird because he has an ellibereth-strength townread on lovebird
the only townish thing about nahdia is that she immediately retracted that claim upon replace-in

[Mathdino]

to think that i was repeatedly told this game that beeboy wouldn't do something that risky as town

look here's the state of the game

Nahdia: is beeboy, did that shit. mastina doesn't want to lynch her, and neither do you
Lovebird: beeboy claims to have an Ellibereth-strength metaread on Lovebird. I believe him. Others don't.
MOMOMEN: flipless, shouldn't be lynched
mastina/NicoRobin: claimed masons with each other. mason cop died.
Not_Mafia: i have a strong townread on RedFlavor, his predecessor. on the other hand, he's Not_Mafia and is never really a horrible lynch

Pine/Mathdino: claim even/odd night versions of the same role. said role involves inventions. i don't think the specifics have been claimed. pine acts tonight, is probably a bad lynch.

leaving OTM and LLD

so those are probably the high priority slots

[Mathdino]

Good call. I forgot that I'd promised to do a reread on RedFlavor after a scumflip.

He's >80% readable on D1 without flips, but he's damn near 100% with flips.

Checking now.

[Mathdino]

There isn't really anything damning association-wise from Red's side. I'm hesitant to read Kokichi's side for associatives given his reputation.

[Mathdino]

where in that post did i ever say that i did not want to lynch nahdia

[Mathdino]

wait what is mastina even trying to say with that post

i've reread it 3 times and i'm still trying to understand

it's like she made a wall about sucking at the game and being confused/scuMVP

and then self fulfilled said prophecy

[Mathdino]

pine what do mastina and nicorobin currently think our role is exactly

[Mathdino]

i mean in that post i was literally asking mastina to rolecop momomen and confirm that they are indeed flipless so

[Mathdino]

to be fair i've basically done nothing mechanically

when i joined the game i got my role, was like okay this is confusing, had to PM cheetory to clarify it

and then like an hour later got another PM being like "oh shit right alisae sent you this message"
and apparently there was some communication going on planning what to do
AND cheeky had already decided what to do with my role

so i've kinda just been letting shit happen
it took like 2 IRL days to figure out the full list of relevant claims
and tbh i didn't expect the rolecop to be used at all -- i was kind of surprised today when i found out you ended up getting the rolecop

[Mathdino]

i lost the quote button because sleepykrew put me on maftigers whoops

Mathdino is a fucking role/mechanic-driven player.
He knows of the rolecop intimately because it's his own role.
He knows of your flipless nature.

Two of those three in the game together, not a problem.
All three of them in the game together, not something which should happen from a town-Mathdino because he--as a mechanics-driven player--should absolutely have connected the dots between the rolecop and the flipless claim.

But he 'forgot' about it.

your profiles of me have been consistently incorrect -- i even checked team mafia for this

being good at mechanics is a symptom of me being good at logic puzzles

but i know an unbreakable setup when i see one
and upicks are rarely if ever breakable
so i went into this not planning to use that part of my skillset at all

i don't think a lot of my friends would describe me as role/mechanic driven (wish i could get a quote from buddies on discord tbh)
it's that your limited experience with me has seen me in games where mechanics happened to be a skill in short supply
- your hilariously unbalanced game (breakable)
- gamma's game (breakable on the assumption that there weren't 4 scum)

i don't know if you're going to have time for this but i really can't recommend enough that you meta me and develop a better profile
like

i just fucking know

i can be meta-read but i can't just blather self-meta all over the place
and yes, like you, i can say i'm meta-readable and still not be capable of changing it
i don't roll scum nearly enough to have any motivation to manipulate my own meta -- it helps far more of my games to just town it the fuck up

POINT IS

PLEASE
PLEASE
META ME

there's a reason eddie cane knew i was town, and it was beyond cheeky being incredibly obviously town if you've played with her as both alignments

[Mathdino]

look i know i've been walking around this game a little entitled because eddie recognised i was town
and some part of me still thinks maybe one of my friends replaces into this 175 page hellhole of a game and figures out i'm town so we can move on

but that's not happening so all i can do is repeat that i'm town and you
just
gotta
meta me

because it doesn't work if i defend myself -- it only works if someone else in the game defends me

[Mathdino]

eddie is aware of a couple facets of my playstyle that probably only two dozen or so players onsite are

objectively speaking, the probability that he gets this read wrong is absolutely minimal

[Mathdino]

Idk man
People tend to gut scumread me the more experience they get for some reason

[Mathdino]

You metad me and I came back scum mathblade?

[Mathdino]

I don't give a flying fuck about my role
I'm literally trying to figure out how to explain this to you without getting myself banned or force replaced like always

[Mathdino]

Try the games I replace into

[Mathdino]

Not gonna lie this is probably pine hard defending my role because he wants towncred for his own role
It's something I've done in upicks before tbh

I deserve no towncred for my role but I expect people to treat my replacement meta differently from my "been here the whole time to break the setup" meta

[Mathdino]

I thought I had 2 rolecop shots smh

Why would you give a rolecop out instead of a tracker if there were still tracks left

[Mathdino]

For the record I knew this fullclaim since I got the message from alisae

I think cheeky and Ali agreed to just designate each other

I didn't necessarily agree with this plan but I understand it

[Mathdino]

Just make it pine

No reason to target him tonight

[Mathdino]

Mathblade do you ever actually evaluate your play after games and check the accuracy of your tunnels
Or how much sheer time and political capital you waste on them

Like are you trying to tilt me to actually read me?

You still haven't done any of the work I asked
You're using the most simplistic take on my playstyle when my scumgame has also been described as leadery and powerwolfy
You've played one shitty game with me and think you know me

Learn statistics
You know better than this

[Mathdino]

Not to mention ignoring the actual content of that proposal
AND the fact that had you fully read the game we both played
You'd know that I never lie about mechanics or optimal play as scum
Because I fucking repeated it like 50 times that game

So why is it a bad idea to asceticize pine

I swear you and the masons are exactly why this game is shit

[Mathdino]

Like half of me wants to message cheetory to just end it so we can see how bad everyone's been all game

I abstained because I think it should be up to the original players

[Mathdino]

LLD
Nahdia
Otm

That's my lynchpool, I vote whoever is closest

Not_Mafia would solely be a meta upholding policy lynch for me

[Mathdino]

There is absolutely no way you read through all the games I've replaced into or we wouldn't be beating around the bush like this

I'm not asking you to do full ISOs, just get a feel for my MO replacing in

[Mathdino]

Yeah it looks like I'm asking you to read every single game

It's really like my first 5 or so posts replacing into games

I've made around a dozen replacements so that's less than 60 posts total

[Mathdino]

Tfw the people defending me also won't do this work because they're already townreading me but for difficult to argue reasons

[Mathdino]

If you intended to ignore a third of the game then you should've asked specific people instead of posing it to the public and being a dick about it

[Mathdino]

Oh my god

Did you read the replace ins or not

Newbie 1859, go

[Mathdino]

You guys are doing a poor job at defending me tbh

Like there's no dialogue to get mastina and mathblade off my case

The only reason I'm not defending my townread Not_Mafia is because he doesn't deserve being defended

[Mathdino]

JUST READ 1859 HOLY FUCK

[Mathdino]

God this game isn't worth getting banned over

Math just put your vote on someone who can viable get lynched for once or vote to abandon

[Mathdino]

Math are you going to read the game I asked or not

It's literally a couple posts that I will get banned for if I ever make again

[Mathdino]

Then you're hurting your own reads by closing yourself off to additional information
For what? Pride? Principles?

Do you think i as scum would try to invoke this kind of thing?
Hell, I've angleshot as scum and gotten forced replaced for it
But always with other people's slots, not my own

Don't pretend that this conversation is responsible for people's disinterest in the game when you spent 30 pages shitting all over both masons continuously
The people who are getting pissed off ARE TOWNREADING ME
Literally the problem here is you

[Mathdino]

The correct move here is compromise lynching

Too many people on this game are better at scum than town

All I got is a lynchpool and a vote

[Mathdino]

Have I answered sufficiently or do you have further questions
I'm not going to budge on lovebird, that's directly against my entire town philosophy
Mechanically not gonna budge on you, I'd rather get flipped to remove a viable partner from you
And mechanically also not budging on pine who is acting tonight

Everyone else I don't really give a shit about

[Mathdino]

Oh yeah I don't personally care about the mason thing but I know other people have
To the point of calling me scum with nahdia for defending the mason fakeclaim

[Mathdino]

I'd be decently down with flipping Not_Mafia in order to BoP LLD

Anyone else?

[Mathdino]

Who the fuck loverized you with Not_Mafia

We're in evens, lynching you puts us back in odds

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Mathdino]

Scum can choose to kill dumb confirmed townies tonight or kill good unconfirmeds

We don't particularly need a 1 shot doctor