Mini 2006: Scummer in this game UPick GAME OVER

[NicoRobin]

I just said I am not that naive to townread her just because she told me to and cited a game as proof, so you are stupid for still believing I am naive.

Go read this

If you come back and tell me I am fakeclaiming mason with her just because she told me to, then I'll concede the point.

But not before you do the above.

[NicoRobin]

Your whole reason why you are scumreading her is based on your believing I am that much of an idiot, which the link above disproves, so your reason for scumreading her falls apart with that link alone.

[NicoRobin]

One game is not proof and frankly I don't care about games I am not in. I am going based on my experiences with you.

Well, then your views are meaningless cos you don't see the bigger picture.

[NicoRobin]

I am done with you. Go doom the town.

[NicoRobin]

And even if you are town, you should be gone before you mislynch enough people for the town to lose. Symphonic Metal mafia is my proof you can and will do that.

[NicoRobin]

Of course, normally, I should be gone as well, considering that like you, I am an obstacle in this way, but apparently, no one wants to lynch me, so I am staying, I guess?

[NicoRobin]

You were trying to two irl days ago......

[NicoRobin]

I am not now though so you should back off

I would, but I am paranoid about you still. After SU2, I made a promise to myself not to trust anyone, and something tells me that trusting you would come back to bite me big time in the end.

[NicoRobin]

Okay, but I might not live long enough to fully ascertain your motivations. Mason claim and all that. But I will try while I can

VOTE: Sudowoodo

[NicoRobin]

why are you intentionally making my life difficult yume :/

It's you who is making my life difficult for wanting to lynch my mason partner. >.>

By the way, congratulations, you forced me to come out into the open, ensuring that we'll be killed.

Can you read my iso before you post stuff like this? Half my posting is defending you and Mastina.

I wasn't referring to singular 'you'. I was referring to the players in game, plural.

[NicoRobin]

VOTE: Wisdom

[NicoRobin]

VOTE: Wisdom

wow this lasted long

You discredit other people yet for some reason, nobody is allowed to discredit you?

[NicoRobin]

who the fuck am I discrediting

Me and my credibility.

[NicoRobin]

Oh?

Did you suddenly forget all the things you said this morning, about me being naive and stupid?

[NicoRobin]

Nah, just stubborn, much like you.

[NicoRobin]

Nope.

[NicoRobin]

There are still 10 days left. What's the rush?

[NicoRobin]

hi

[NicoRobin]

Where is my partner at? She hasn't posted since two days ago.....

[NicoRobin]

unofficial VC

Sudowoodo [5] - Lovebird, MOMOMEN, Sudowoodo, Wisdom, RedFlavor
Wisdom [4] - NicoRobin, mastina, Momrangal, MariaR
RedFlavor [2] - Lady LambdaDelta, beeboy
Lady LambdaDelta [1] - Kokichi Oma
Kokichi Oma [1] - CheekyTeeky


Sudo will obv go back to voting me so we need 3 votes here
Im assuming Cheeky wont vote Sudo
The rest of you who arent voting them, are you going to? Or should I vote Red?

Mastina and Nico, come hammer please.

I am not voting there unless you bribe me with crackers, and my partner won't either. We have reasons.

[NicoRobin]

I was talking to them, not you, so please stay out of it.

p-edit: Actually, I am still ready to vote them, but mastina said no.

[NicoRobin]

I want to see how you'll apologize for all this bs when you see my flip

Nobody is gonna apologize to you unless you apologize to others yourself.

[NicoRobin]

she isn't

[NicoRobin]

Excuse me, but are you saying I lose by default when I am scum? Cos that assessment is faulty.

I won Stockport, and my partner wasn't that active before they were lynches, so I won that through my own effort.

And mastina is no pushover when she is scum either.

[NicoRobin]

I did ask him about it, and he said that we are confirmed town to each other. Don't know about the other 'pairs', but we are not scum masons.

[NicoRobin]

I approve re: checking us

[NicoRobin]

Because I asked the mod if we are confirmed TOWN to each other instead of just masons and he said yes.

[NicoRobin]

And heh. You cannot hold a candle to me when it comes to paranoia. I am Prof. Paranoia. Have been ever since SU2. If I townread mastina, then she is town, period.

[NicoRobin]

My point still stands, he told us we are confirmed town. Not 'You are masons' or any variation thereof, as he would if we were scum masons. He told us that we are confirmed town to each other.

I briefly reconsidering my stance on your predecessor, but you are spouting the same sort of nonsense he did, so I am keeping my vote where it is.

[NicoRobin]

How much time do we have

5 days, 3 hours, 35 minutes.

[NicoRobin]

mathy
she's scum

No, she is not. We'll see which one of us is right post-game

Hint: I am.

[NicoRobin]

I want Mastina to gambit and kill Nico Robin to keep me and lovebird alive.
I don't see what part of this you guys don't understand.

She won't be killing me. She can't kill me either.

[NicoRobin]

OTM I just want to make something clear given this situation.

I do think Mastina is scum a lot of the time here, but the claims themselves doesn't mean I am ever going to lynch Nico Robin.

Actually, it's the opposite. I am the expendable one here and if you're gonna lynch one of us, it will be me. She is the one who should live.

[NicoRobin]

Somebody hammer.....

[NicoRobin]

I impound you, with all of my heart, to just hammer.

[NicoRobin]

Like, what's the point of townreading me if you won't even trust me on this simple thing?

[NicoRobin]

If you truly townread me, then work with me and hammer, right here, right now.

[NicoRobin]

cos town need to work together.

[NicoRobin]

The bigger question is why none of the mason claims scum read each other after both have doubled down.

Simple.

Because I am using the metric every fucking player should be using.

Play > Role.

And Roleclaim != Alignment.

With a side of the exception to the rule on role != alignment in that yes some roleclaims DO equal alignment and scum don't fucking counterclaim masons on D1.

beeboy's play is ridiculously, transparently town.
Lovebird's play is strongly town especially if Lovebird is an alt of the player I think they are an alt of. (If Lovebird were said player, Lovebird would be all-but-explicitly-conftown on play alone.)
Scum don't counterclaim masons on D1 especially knowing that we WILL be flipping masons and they WOULD get in trouble for it.
Scum also don't casually claim masons in the way beeboy did.
Scum also don't leave the breadcrumbs for being masons in the way beeboy and Lovebird did.

The reason I am not suspicious of beeboy or Lovebird in spite of their counterclaim is because it is transparently obvious they are town.
Are they masons? Fucked if I know. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. But regardless. Masons, not masons. They are town either way.

And continuing to shadethrow the masons continues to be a scumclaim.

Because once more.

Scum cannot win this game if both sets of masons are treated as conftown.

So they fucking NEED to try and get people doubting one if not both of the masons.

This reasoning, right here, is why you should hammer. It did wonders for me when I caught scum once before, and it will do so now as well.

So quit being stubborn, folks.

[NicoRobin]

I mean Mastina, the thing about Cheetory not answering questions publically or privately doesn't apply to scum.

Hammer. >.>

[NicoRobin]

The power of my third eye commands everyone to hammer.

I'll go there if I have to, so don't make me go there, which I will if there is no hammer in your next post.

[NicoRobin]

Why? Because I have, should I say, an ability that would give you that incentive if you truly townread me.

[NicoRobin]

I mean Mastina, the thing about Cheetory not answering questions publically or privately doesn't apply to scum.

Yes it does.
Scum don't magically have more access to information on how roles-not-their-own-or-in-their-fakeclaims work.

If they did, that's poor fucking modding.

You know why?

Because it is mod bias in favor of scum.

Mods are meant to be impartial.

Scum should not have access to information on roles other than their own/safeclaims unless town has access to that very same information.

So unless you wanna argue that the mod handed Nico and I a mason safeclaim.
Or that Cheet is a bad mod who biased the setup in favor of scum by allowing scum to basically have a free rolecop just by asking questions to him. (Because that's EXACTLY what giving answers to scum not available to town is.)

My point holds.

Another way of saying it.

If the mod answers scum asking about information on their own role, that's fine; that is to be expected.
If the mod answers town asking about information on their own role, that's fine; that is to be expected.
If the mod answers scum asking about information on their mod-provided safeclaims, that's fine; that is to be expected.

If the mod refuses to answer town about information on a role which isn't their own on the merits that it isn't their role, then that is their preference as a moderator and a valid choice.

Okay, good so far, yes?
You agree?
You follow.

Alright.

So what's the logical extension of this?

If the mod refuses to answer scum about information on a role which isn't their own and isn't one of their safeclaims, then that is the extension of the town decision.

Consistent moderation, unbiased. Scum can't access something town cannot, unless the information is given in the scum's roles or the scum's fakeclaims. Fair, balanced, even, both sides denied the same thing and being given the same thing.

If Cheetory gave answers to scum about information on a role which was NEITHER their own NOR one of their safeclaims...
...While refusing to give answers to town about information on a role which isn't their own...

...Does that sound unbiased to you?

Fuck no, because it's not; it's biased in favor of scum.
Plain and simple.
There's no ambiguity here.

Just simple facts.

Look at PT

[NicoRobin]

Why? Because I have, should I say, an ability that would give you that incentive if you truly townread me.

I don't think you have role based info to believe OTM is scum.

I never said that.

[NicoRobin]

Now hammer or I will make you hammer.

Don't mess with me, yo.

[NicoRobin]

If I had to guess myself I'd say the slot was town.
I just don't like pulling triggers like that without really putting the thought into the read or having some kind of tell to back it up.

You tonread me, so just damn trust me, okay?

[NicoRobin]

If I had to guess myself I'd say the slot was town.
I just don't like pulling triggers like that without really putting the thought into the read or having some kind of tell to back it up.

and answer my question while you're at it: what's the point of townreading me if you cannot even trust me enough here?

[NicoRobin]

I feel like the way OTM is approaching this push is the way they'd be doing it as town.

I think there are easier pushes to make here as well.

Wisdom himself was also pretty reasonably playing in a way I'd expect him to as town.

I just have 0 idea as to how both these players would approach the game as scum I don't really want to shove this read down anyone's throat the way I'd do if you start pushing my other reads.

Guess what the town had to say about scum before I caught them?

That's right, they said that scum had easier targets to push on.

So just hammer.

[NicoRobin]

You'd better hammer before I wake up, otherwise I will use that.

[NicoRobin]

I didn't want to reveal this yet, but.....

@beeboy

If you just hammer, I will lay your fears of mastina being scum once and for all tomorrow. I have the ability to confirm us as masons in public, and no scum may interfere with this ability. I told this much to her, and she can vouch.

This is reason enough to trust me and hammer, is it not.

[NicoRobin]

I just said I can confirm both of us as town come tomorrow, so your words hold no water. Either you have to nightkill one of us to stop it from happening, in which case we'd still be confirmed, or I reveal it come tomorrow. Either way, by this time tomorrow, we'd be confirmed, so it's a lose-lose situation for your team. Nice try.

[NicoRobin]

I just said I can confirm both of us as town come tomorrow, so your words hold no water. Either you have to nightkill one of us to stop it from happening, in which case we'd still be confirmed, or I reveal it come tomorrow. Either way, by this time tomorrow, we'd be confirmed, so it's a lose-lose situation for your team. Nice try.

You can’t lol

You seriously can’t

Because you’re scum banking on people not assuming scum masons are a thing.

Otherwise you’d push the other pair

It is a 100% fact there cannot be 4 town masons this game

Yet you push me instead of the other pair

I don’t have time to read your plan I just know it’s flawed

Yes, I can, and I will. Good luck with that.

[NicoRobin]

I just said I can confirm both of us as town come tomorrow, so your words hold no water. Either you have to nightkill one of us to stop it from happening, in which case we'd still be confirmed, or I reveal it come tomorrow. Either way, by this time tomorrow, we'd be confirmed, so it's a lose-lose situation for your team. Nice try.

You can’t lol

You seriously can’t

Because you’re scum banking on people not assuming scum masons are a thing.

Otherwise you’d push the other pair

It is a 100% fact there cannot be 4 town masons this game

Yet you push me instead of the other pair

I don’t have time to read your plan I just know it’s flawed

Meet Mini 1936, a game with four active confirmables + one semi-confirmable. Again, nice try.

[NicoRobin]

I just said I can confirm both of us as town come tomorrow, so your words hold no water. Either you have to nightkill one of us to stop it from happening, in which case we'd still be confirmed, or I reveal it come tomorrow. Either way, by this time tomorrow, we'd be confirmed, so it's a lose-lose situation for your team. Nice try.

You can’t lol

You seriously can’t

Because you’re scum banking on people not assuming scum masons are a thing.

Otherwise you’d push the other pair

It is a 100% fact there cannot be 4 town masons this game

Yet you push me instead of the other pair

I don’t have time to read your plan I just know it’s flawed

Meet Mini 1936, a game with four active confirmables + one semi-confirmable. Again, nice try.

TBF it makes sense a Yume themed game would have a fuck ton of town power to balance it out

And it was me, Dio, all along.

[NicoRobin]

The fake mason claim can not afford me saving the cop results

So I have to die if you’re scum

So they can’t get me they go to momrangel

Nice try. Want a cracker?

[NicoRobin]

Oh, ASCII artwork. Such a nice medium

[NicoRobin]

Seriously, though, someone hammer. All you're doing is dragging the day out needlessly, and it has become trite at this point. You know that waiting is trite when @Momomen demands the day to end.

[NicoRobin]

or we could get a better wagon

nah, you are just looking to save your buddy.

[NicoRobin]

No, because my town flip will make her look good.

[NicoRobin]

And frankly, I am hoping I get NKed, so none of it will matter.

[NicoRobin]

Nico you’re gonna smell reality one way or the other.

It’s gonna suck for you and Mastina.

You if town need to look at a town!me world because my town flip is gonna make Mastina look bad
Scum will confirm Beeboy/lovebird as masons
And if you are town you will then be forced to buy into scum masons

Because momrangel is town.

Plus, this is exactly the kind of thing scum would say to prevent their own lynch.

So no, I am not buying that you are town, cos you do the exact sort of thing scum did on multiple occassions.

Do I need to get the day cop to prove it, like how I did in 1936?

[NicoRobin]

Nico you’re gonna smell reality one way or the other.

It’s gonna suck for you and Mastina.

You if town need to look at a town!me world because my town flip is gonna make Mastina look bad
Scum will confirm Beeboy/lovebird as masons
And if you are town you will then be forced to buy into scum masons

Because momrangel is town.

Plus, this is exactly the kind of thing scum would say to prevent their own lynch.

So no, I am not buying that you are town, cos you do the exact sort of thing scum did on multiple occassions.

Do I need to get the day cop to prove it, like how I did in 1936?

The amount of people who can correctly read me I can count on one hand. You and Mastina are not them.

And you can’t have a daycop prove that gorgeous. You will need in though I assure you

And keep citing a game with 5 ICs that existed that doesn’t make it balanced

Jingle is a better mod than that and he LOVES fucking with people.

Yeah, comments of this nature are exactly what RR did in 1936, which helped me catch him. So go on, give me more material to catch you, and once I get a daycop, I will use it to check you and prove you are scum once and for all, just like back then.

[NicoRobin]

Go on, discredit masons some more, like RR did. It'll be amusing to see what other lies you'll come up with to justify scumreading my mason partner while still talking to me like you would talk to town.....

[NicoRobin]

And another proof you are scum here.....

Remember New Year's Upick? I was the vig in that game, one that shot you. And in post-game, you started making all these posts about how 'SK carried' and things of that nature.....

Yet suddenly, in this game, it's suddenly 'she can't read me, blah blah blah'.....

It's a complete 180 you did right there.....

[NicoRobin]

And another proof you are scum here.....

Remember New Year's Upick? I was the vig in that game, one that shot you. And in post-game, you started making all these posts about how 'SK carried' and things of that nature.....

Yet suddenly, in this game, it's suddenly 'she can't read me, blah blah blah'.....

It's a complete 180 you did right there.....

Never mind, I mistook you for another player with a similar name.....

[NicoRobin]

The rest of my point still stands, though.

[NicoRobin]

Go on, discredit masons some more, like RR did. It'll be amusing to see what other lies you'll come up with to justify scumreading my mason partner while still talking to me like you would talk to town.....

[NicoRobin]

I think nico is still gambling cause she's bad enough to do that

Yeah, sure. I have at least three games that prove otherwise, but whatever floats your boat....

[NicoRobin]

Yeah, no. That would be playing right into your hands by giving you four free kills to use on us.

Therefore, I will consider doing so, but only if you hammer in the next five minutes. That's my offer to you. Unless you hammer in the next five minutes, I rescind it.

So either bus your buddy or you won't have your way.

[NicoRobin]

so you think i'm scum now? because i think wisdom was town?

Yes, and also because you are trying to change wagons when there are only four days left.

[NicoRobin]

1. She is shading us because she has to
2. She is using the exact same arguments and exact same wording RR used in 1936
3. She somehow scumreads mastina while still treating me as town. If she genuinely believed we are scum masons, she wouldn't be talking to me in a manner someone uses to talk to a misguided town.

[NicoRobin]

To clarify on 3, if she genuinely believed we are scum masons, she would be pushing me as well, cos from her point of view, I would be scum trying to mislynch her as well. Ask yourself: has she genuinely pushed me since she came in?

[NicoRobin]

And to top it off, I read her entire ISO and despite repeating over and over how mastina and I are scum masons together, not once did she cast a vote on either of us. If she genuinely believes we're scum masons, she should at least have the guts to cast a vote on us. But she hasn't. Know why? Cos if we flip town, casting a vote on either of us would be a death sentence for her.

Convinced yet?

[NicoRobin]

To clarify on 3, if she genuinely believed we are scum masons, she would be pushing me as well, cos from her point of view, I would be scum trying to mislynch her as well. Ask yourself: has she genuinely pushed me since she came in?

I have more on Mastina than you. I don’t know you.

So yes I push Mastina because she can’t be allowed to control the game as scum

Then vote her. Put your vote where your mind is. Or are you too scared?

[NicoRobin]

To clarify on 3, if she genuinely believed we are scum masons, she would be pushing me as well, cos from her point of view, I would be scum trying to mislynch her as well. Ask yourself: has she genuinely pushed me since she came in?

I have more on Mastina than you. I don’t know you.

So yes I push Mastina because she can’t be allowed to control the game as scum

You saw it. She admitted it.

@OTM And yes, I call you a she, because your main is apparently Mathblade, someone Titus says is her 'sister', and 'sisters' aren't male by default....

[NicoRobin]

I thought it was mathdino

Say why my case is wrong or hammer.

[NicoRobin]

And to top it off, I read her entire ISO and despite repeating over and over how mastina and I are scum masons together, not once did she cast a vote on either of us. If she genuinely believes we're scum masons, she should at least have the guts to cast a vote on us. But she hasn't. Know why? Cos if we flip town, casting a vote on either of us would be a death sentence for her.

Convinced yet?

Specifically, address this part.

[NicoRobin]

Furthermore no one in this thread has used the word sister except you.

And I fucking refuse to believe that Mastina would intentionally tell you to make me dysphoric.

So I absolutely refuse to believe you are masons with Mastina.

Therefore this means you are scum with someone who knows me.

Greatly limits the pool.

Thanks.

Not in this thread, but Titus did call you her sister in SU2, so stop pretending you don't remember just to get ahead. :/

And you still haven't addressed that post, by the way.

[NicoRobin]

And no, you haven't addressed my post as a whole, so do tell everyone why aren't you voting me or mastina despite allegedly scumreading us

[NicoRobin]

1) I wasn’t 100% out yet. I only had they on my profile not he.
2) search.php?keywords=Sister&t=68256&sf=msgonly
Titus was called my sister NOT the other way around.
3) Even if that WAS the case someone can come out as trans and then you just call them what they want to be called. It’s not hard. Sure mistakes happen then apologize and move on. You don’t continue to fucking argue that you can use the old pronouns.

And I have addressed it 3 times now

There is a fucking cop in play that solves this and I have more on Mastina than I do you.

As much as I want your flip rolling around in the goddamn pavement you will be proven scum.

I am trying to be better as town and not demanding your lynch.

Pine pronouns legit don’t help. Thanks though. People ignore them in game intentionally.

That only explains why you aren't voting me, but it doesn't explain why you aren't voting mastina....

[NicoRobin]

But go ahead, use the pronouns to dodge that point. Hell, people called me 'he' multiple times throughout games and I never flipped my lid as much as you are doing now.....

[NicoRobin]

Just because a cop resolves this isn't the answer to the question of why you outright refuse to vote your scumread.

[NicoRobin]

Besides, how the hell do you expect mastina to tell me to apologize when she didn't even post in this thread or our PT for the last three days? Newsflash, she can't correct me if she is absent.....

[NicoRobin]

Just because a cop resolves this isn't the answer to the question of why you outright refuse to vote your scumread.

jesus christ, shut up

No. It is a legitimate question and I want a legitimate answer.

[NicoRobin]

And if you mean Momrangal, both Maria and Kokichi voted her and OTM hasn't attempted to dissuade them. Therefore, he agrees with burying the very person he allegedly wants to resolve me/mastina issue. Coincidence? I think not.

[NicoRobin]

Then your attempts to dissuade them were lacklustre at best, given that they're still voting her. Which is still a scum trait.

[NicoRobin]

Just because a cop resolves this isn't the answer to the question of why you outright refuse to vote your scumread.

jesus christ, shut up

Could you please explain why he is not voting mastina despite scumreading her then? Cos he clearly has no intention of answering in a way I can understand.....

[NicoRobin]

Nico you’re gonna smell reality one way or the other.

It’s gonna suck for you and Mastina.

You if town need to look at a town!me world because my town flip is gonna make Mastina look bad

Scum will confirm Beeboy/lovebird as masons
And if you are town you will then be forced to buy into scum masons

Because momrangel is town.

Why should I care if it makes her look bad? I am town and she is town. Looking good isn't our priority. Lynching scum is. You are scum. Therefore, lynching you is a priority.

p-edit: Nice answer. Still, you seem 100% sure that we are scum masons, and you yourself said that us returning a positive results does nothing to lay your fears of us being scum masons to rest, so why even wait for results if you are gonna think we're scum masons regardless of what the results are?

[NicoRobin]

If you say your flip is the evidence, then why don't you hammer yourself? That would enable your evidence to kick in.

[NicoRobin]

Even if my reads are 10000% garbage and you think I am ridiculous
Momrangal if I am alive and so are they will get a check off.

And she lies about the check, then you will waste the edge that we as real masons give town for no reason.....

[NicoRobin]

Even if my reads are 10000% garbage and you think I am ridiculous
Momrangal if I am alive and so are they will get a check off.

And she lies about the check, then you will waste the edge that we as real masons give town for no reason.....

Again I already laid out the if Momrangal lies check and it’s valid.

We STILL get momrangel and the fake/fakeclaiming mason pair.

Yeah, at the cost of lynching the real ones first, thus removing the edge we'd have at lylo.

[NicoRobin]

Not to mention she outright said she can't give it to me. :/

[NicoRobin]

We have to more days, so either do it or the day will end in no-lynch, which gives scum more leeway to control the game.

[NicoRobin]

Also, why do you care so much whether the game is unwinnable for scum or not? If you are truly town, you should be happy about the automatic town win.....

[NicoRobin]

Also, why do you care so much whether the game is unwinnable for scum or not? If you are truly town, you should be happy about the automatic town win.....

I care because Jingle doesn’t do automatic town wins.
I care because I never allow myself to get complacent.

If the game is unwinnable for scum with the current set of assumptions/setup spec it has to be wrong.
There is never such a thing as an automatic town win.

Answer me this: why can’t mastina target you?

Surely if you’re both masons you must have discussed this.

It's in her role PM that she can't....

[NicoRobin]

Also, why do you care so much whether the game is unwinnable for scum or not? If you are truly town, you should be happy about the automatic town win.....

I care because Jingle doesn’t do automatic town wins.
I care because I never allow myself to get complacent.

If the game is unwinnable for scum with the current set of assumptions/setup spec it has to be wrong.
There is never such a thing as an automatic town win.

Answer me this: why can’t mastina target you?

Surely if you’re both masons you must have discussed this.

It's in her role PM that she can't....

That would make her disloyal.

Which means she is lying about being town.
Or she is lying about townreading monomen and is intentionally giving a ninja to a scumread
Which would make her a mason ninja granting cop.

So you can explain or people will go with what is most likely which is she is lying.

Because you’re clearly not ascetic.

No, that would make her unable to give it to me specifically, which doesn't mean she is unable to give it to the rest of the town.....

[NicoRobin]

Also, why do you care so much whether the game is unwinnable for scum or not? If you are truly town, you should be happy about the automatic town win.....

I care because Jingle doesn’t do automatic town wins.
I care because I never allow myself to get complacent.

If the game is unwinnable for scum with the current set of assumptions/setup spec it has to be wrong.
There is never such a thing as an automatic town win.

Answer me this: why can’t mastina target you?

Surely if you’re both masons you must have discussed this.

It's in her role PM that she can't....

That would make her disloyal.

Which means she is lying about being town.
Or she is lying about townreading monomen and is intentionally giving a ninja to a scumread
Which would make her a mason ninja granting cop.

So you can explain or people will go with what is most likely which is she is lying.

Because you’re clearly not ascetic.

No, that would make her unable to give it to me specifically, which doesn't mean she is unable to give it to the rest of the town.....

And since you and she talked then you should be able to claim the modifier or part that forces her to not be able to.

But wait you can’t do you keep up the lie.

What if there is no modifier, but rather a clause that prevents her from giving it to me?

[NicoRobin]

And FYI, just because we talked doesn't mean I am going to question her excessively. She is my mason partner, and I don't question my own mason partners. If it were different and we were just neighbors, then I would have questioned her until I dropped, but as it stands, there is no reason to ask questions.

[NicoRobin]

If you are so analytical about mafia and setups, you should at least know that a restriction doesn't automatically involve a modifier.

[NicoRobin]

Like, take a good look at the spoiler, chap

Spoiler: really old

Steven Universe, A Child With a Intergalactic Destiny
I have to protect you, what if somehow you get hurt? What do I do? I don't want that for you.
You are aligned with The Crystal Gems. You are a Gem and a Human.
Is it weird I'm getting numb to this? So long as the Stress meter is at +1 or higher, you may not be killed normally. Events and special kills will still kill you. At +4 Stress, you may not be removed from the game in any way--kills, events, lynches, etc. will all fail on you. Your priority for being Leader of the Crystal Gems is 1. If you are Leader of the Crystal Gems, you may not be killed normally. Events and special kills will still kill you. Once per game, you may bring a lynched-and-bubbled player back to life when you unbubble them. Can we talk for a moment? You have been provided with an alternate account. If you alter the password or details of this account, I will modkill you. You may use this account for various factional and role-related abilities. The account's username is: Steven Quartz The account's password is: starchild But at least I've got you. And you've got me! So stop leaving me out of this. If you are in an Alliance with only Amethyst, you may decide to Fuse instead. If you both agree to Fuse, you lose access to the rest of your role's abilities for the duration of your fusion, but gain the following: When you form this Alliance, you may decide which one of you will die if either player were to die. When both you and Amethyst are voting for a player, your votes are worth three votes altogether. During the Climax Phase, you may target a player to cause their actions to fail. This will not stop Factional Kills. If both you and Amethyst target the same player in this way, their actions will fail and they can not form an alliance for the following Episode--this will stop a Factional Kill. If you're the one protecting me, then who's the one protecting you!? Two shot. Climax-Phase only. Target a player you are allied with--all killing actions directed at that player will be redirected to you instead. If you use this power, any attempts made by other players to protect you from kills will fail. During the Season Finale, you are refunded one shot of this power. During the Season Finale, you may select two players with this power. Steven, you could be using your dreams to connect with her mentally. One shot. Climax-Phase only. Target a player and decide 'anonymous' or 'in character'. You will receive a Climax-Phase-only PT with that player--this PT will persist the entire game or until you form a different PT with this power. If you choose 'in character', you will be able to communicate in this thread via the provided alternate account. If you choose 'anonymous', you will join this thread as your primary account. During the Season Finale, you are refunded one shot of this power. EVENT: I spent the day with my mind in your body. EPISODE EVENT: Exposition Only--Activate during Climax Phase. PRIORITY: 0 REQUIREMENTS: +2 Stress or higher. Will fail if heading into LYLO. Tied to the Flavor of the episode "The New Lars." Target a player when you activate this Event. You will learn that player's non-factional role information. This will yield fake-claims from scum. You will be able to submit that player's action and alliance choices during the Climax Phase. They will lose access to any alliance thread they would have had during this Event--you will take their place via an alternative account. I will create a flavor-named account for you to use to access their alliance for the duration of the Episode. At any point during the Exposition Phase, you may PM me to keep the chosen player from either being able to post or vote. At any point during the Exposition Phase, you may PM me to change who the selected player is voting for. How'd we get ourselves into this mess? You are aligned with The Crystal Gems . In order to win the game, at least one Earth-Aligned player and one Crystal Gem-aligned player must be alive. In order to win the game, all threats to Earth must be removed from the game. If all members of The Crystal Gems are dead, you lose the game.

This was my really old role in a really old game. Now, do you see any modifiers there? No? But it does contain some restrictions nonetheless.

[NicoRobin]

Also, why do you care so much whether the game is unwinnable for scum or not? If you are truly town, you should be happy about the automatic town win.....

I care because Jingle doesn’t do automatic town wins.
I care because I never allow myself to get complacent.

If the game is unwinnable for scum with the current set of assumptions/setup spec it has to be wrong.
There is never such a thing as an automatic town win.

Answer me this: why can’t mastina target you?

Surely if you’re both masons you must have discussed this.

It's in her role PM that she can't....

That would make her disloyal.

Which means she is lying about being town.
Or she is lying about townreading monomen and is intentionally giving a ninja to a scumread
Which would make her a mason ninja granting cop.

So you can explain or people will go with what is most likely which is she is lying.

Because you’re clearly not ascetic.

No, that would make her unable to give it to me specifically, which doesn't mean she is unable to give it to the rest of the town.....

And since you and she talked then you should be able to claim the modifier or part that forces her to not be able to.

But wait you can’t do you keep up the lie.

What if there is no modifier, but rather a clause that prevents her from giving it to me?

Then that “clause” would be a part of the role name and thus a “modifier”

It’s like saying you’re a one shot roleblocker but don’t claim the modifier

Surely you should be able to claim the clause.

Is it “people not named Nico only” “people without a PT only?” “People with out birds in their names or avatars?”

This isn’t about “grilling” if you’re confirmed town to each other surely you have claimed to each other.

Not neccessarily. It could be a part of role text as opposed to role name.....

[NicoRobin]

Okay, you want me to explain? Then I will.

My modifier is enabler, and I enable her role.

Happy now?

[NicoRobin]

Okay, you want me to explain? Then I will.

My modifier is enabler, and I enable her role.

Happy now?

....not really.

That doesn’t explain why she can’t make you ninja.

It would be empty and useless. Perfect thing to do for neg utility.

A ninja enabler is still an enabler.

I am too tired now. Will tell you exact details in the morn.

[NicoRobin]

Someone hammer rite now.....

[NicoRobin]

so mastina and nicorobin are obviously lying regardless of card right?

If our card shows town masons, which it will, then we were very obviously not lying.

There is a way to check this thing without mom. One of us will be killed and flip mason, thus confirming the other.

[NicoRobin]

so mastina and nicorobin are obviously lying regardless of card right?

If our card shows town masons, which it will, then we were very obviously not lying.

There is a way to check this thing without mom. One of us will be killed and flip mason, thus confirming the other.

^ Momrangal (and you by extension) isn't needed for this reason.

[NicoRobin]

sup erryoatgay
that looks so much worse than i thought it would

i don't know what you're asking in 3267 because there doesn't appear to be a cheekyteeky claim

@nicorobin: yeah except mastina is lying because she's mastina

it would be nice if i had a list of flavour claims as well

So.....not even a mason flip will convince you? :O

[NicoRobin]

someone better have an awesome explanation for why this day has, on page 131, been reduced to setup speccing and attempting to mechanically solve a upick role madness game.

Edit: are you asking to be lynched to confirm mastina...?

Not anymore, since people refused to verify us in that way.

However, one of us will be killed, thus confirming that we're masons anyway....

[NicoRobin]

And when you see one of us flip mason, you'll have to admit the other is too. No ifs, ands or buts. >.>

[NicoRobin]

Scum kill innocents, regardless of competency. The only time they don't is under special circumstances.

[NicoRobin]

Oh, and also, mastina might lie, but I won't, so drop it.

[NicoRobin]

If anyone is lying, it's him. He is outguessing the mod just so he can have a plausible excuse to discredit all four of us.

@Mathdino

My role PM says that I am masons with mastina and that I also enable her role. The mod clarified that we're confirmed town to each other as opposed to simply being called masons.

[NicoRobin]

Now do what Momo says and stop being silly, ktxhbai.

[NicoRobin]

I'll make you a deal. If one of us flips mason, go lynch OTM, no questions asked.

[NicoRobin]

I have half a mind to replace out. I don't want to be in the game where people believe everyone and anyone except for the four mason claims.....

That, and since you think I am making dangerous assumptions because I am me, I'd like to see would you say the same thing to my successor.

But I won't, since this is the first time I've rolled an actual mason and I want to enjoy it.

[NicoRobin]

@Mathdino I did give you my role paraphrase.....

@Mathdino

My role PM says that I am masons with mastina and that I also enable her role. The mod clarified that we're confirmed town to each other as opposed to simply being called masons.

Reading is tech.....

[NicoRobin]

Alisae

That's my flavor.

mastina's is Alisae/Pine hydra.

[NicoRobin]

Yeah, mastina can lie blah blah blah

The real question is do I lie?

And if you believe I would blindly do everything she says after being deceived by a scum player twice inside a PT, then I have a few choice words for you. >.>

[NicoRobin]

Yeah, mastina can lie blah blah blah

The real question is do I lie?

And if you believe I would blindly do everything she says after being deceived by a scum player twice inside a PT, then I have a few choice words for you. >.>

Lol I believe you’d do anything Mastina says if you’re town masons as you know she wouldn’t deceive you.

So lol at Mastina potentially deceiving you.

#whenYouFuckUpYourFakeClaim

That's because out topic title says we're masons, and Cheetory himself confirmed we''re town to each other.

Are you insinuating that Cheetory lied when he said we're confirmed town to each other?

That would make this game bastard, when it was explicitly listed as non-bastard.

So.....

#NoSell

[NicoRobin]

I will when everyone stops blindly believing OTM over us.

[NicoRobin]

The two of us indeed have explicit confirmation of that, yes.

[NicoRobin]

Oh, I get it. You will continue insisting we're scum after one of us flips mason because ##Logic, am I right?

[NicoRobin]

Oh, I get it. You will continue insisting we're scum after one of us flips mason because ##Logic, am I right?

Depends on if you flip town mason or scum mason.

If you flip town mason obviously not. At that point Beeboy and Love it’s become conf!scum

However the only way I scumread Beeboy/lovebird is after one of you is dead and flips mason. Mastina is not town and neither are you. You’re just lying about asking the mod that stuff.

I can do it to:

I can lie and say “I asked the mod what the integral of x^2 is over the interval 0,1

If you mislynch one of us, that person flips town and your teammates will freely kill the other, thus robbing town of the advantage of having conftowns in LYLO. I am not gonna let you do that.

Like, town you should know that your strategy would cost town the edge of having a conftown in LYLO, and I doubt you'd be that dumb as town....

[NicoRobin]

Oh, I get it. You will continue insisting we're scum after one of us flips mason because ##Logic, am I right?

Depends on if you flip town mason or scum mason.

If you flip town mason obviously not. At that point Beeboy and Love it’s become conf!scum

However the only way I scumread Beeboy/lovebird is after one of you is dead and flips mason. Mastina is not town and neither are you. You’re just lying about asking the mod that stuff.

I can do it to:

I can lie and say “I asked the mod what the integral of x^2 is over the interval 0,1

If you mislynch one of us, that person flips town and your teammates will freely kill the other, thus robbing town of the advantage of having conftowns in LYLO. I am not gonna let you do that.

Like, town you should know that your strategy would cost town the edge of having a conftown in LYLO, and I doubt you'd be that dumb as town....

We get three scum tomorrow if we mislynch a mason pair.

I am aokay lynching a mason if we get three scum out of it.

Which leaves the final scum free to operate in LYLO.

And frankly, I am certain that your whole analysis is a load of bs.

Like, the title of our PT is literally 'Mason PT'......

[NicoRobin]

She said something that makes her town. Deal. She ain’t being lynched like ever.

"i don't want her lynched" =/= "she ain't being lynched like ever"

try again

@nicorobin: stop with the "your partners" bullshit. what do you think you're adding to the game by telling someone they're scum over and over?

@mathblade: you don't get to pull the "are you reading my posts" bullshit on me when i've specifically said that i want fullclaims and flavourclaims from both of them

Edit: oh god i want to policy lynch mastina already

I am trying to stop the town from believing everything they say without a shred of reasonable doubt, that's what I am trying to do.

Like, if he told you the skies are green, you'd still believe him without question.

[NicoRobin]

Does it look like I believe everything he says
You expect me to take all your posts at face value and all his posts as complete lies
Don't patronize me

Yes. The moment he says we cannot be masons, you instantly assume he is town and believe him without a second thought.

[NicoRobin]

@OTM And yes, I call you a she, because your main is apparently Mathblade, someone Titus says is her 'sister', and 'sisters' aren't male by default....

Also Nico, not a good idea to do this.

It gives OnTheMark an out as scum to give genuine AtE on actual genuine complaints. Mixing real life with the game, in a way which is not deplorable, which is not below the belt to do. Gives him the moral high ground, while still pushing a scum agenda. I'd know, I've both seen him do it before and been in identical positions where I as scum have done that exact thing. So don't give him free ammunition. Call him by his preferred pronouns please.

And there goes your 'she won't let you do that if you talked' argument, OTM. She didn't correct me because she wasn't online. Now that she is, she has corrected me.

[NicoRobin]

Why don't you stop telling me what my thoughts are
And in return I don't policy lynch you to check mastina's alignment

Funny, cos your stance is clearly reflected in your posts. Ever since you came in, you've been constantly siding with him.

[NicoRobin]

then you're straight up bad at reading my motivations and reads? i literally fucking included him in my lynchpool last page

VOTE: NicoRobin

until you stop spamming the game with posts like this

Yet you immediately agreed with him that we cannot be masons period.

[NicoRobin]

so mastina and nicorobin are obviously lying regardless of card right?

Here. He fed some bs about us not being masons, and you instantly believe him without question, as this post clearly shows.....

[NicoRobin]

so mastina and nicorobin are obviously lying regardless of card right?

Here. He fed some bs about us not being masons, and you instantly believe him without question, as this post clearly shows.....

i would've said that regardless of who said "mastina claimed mason"

that had little to nothing to do with mathblade's take on it

WHICH I IMMEDIATELY CALLED DISGUSTINGLY BIASED

you have a victim complex assuming people are against you here

Even if she did lie, which she didn't this time around, I don't lie. His idea of us being scum masons falls flat because I wouldn't go along with mastina's lies unless there is an irrefutable proof I lied. I made that mistake already, and I swore to never make that same mistake again. Him insinuating I will is an attack against my character as far as I am concerned.

[NicoRobin]

So if ask him whether he thinks that I still haven't learned not to trust anyone who isn't confirmable to me after being manipulated by scum who shared a PT with me? Go on, ask him. His response will be some sort of jab at my integrity and how I am 'likely to believe mastina in any circumstances' despite the fact that I swore never to make that mistake again and am far more likely to question any statements/plans/ideas made by anyone who isn't confirmable to me....

[NicoRobin]

Why are you still arguing this

The point I want to make to you is

1. Stop it, you're adding nothing to the game

2. Don't patronize me by both incorrectly assuming what my reads are and "saving" me from evil mathblades influence

So you are suggesting I just roll over and let him get rid of both of us? :/

[NicoRobin]

Don't answer that. This guy has no qualms about mislynching masons.....

[NicoRobin]

23 hours left, now hammer...... :/

[NicoRobin]

If you won't listen to me, listen to her for once. I am still bitter about the fact that my faction lost because members of said faction wouldn't listen to her.

So go do me a favor and listen to her and Momo dammit.

NicoRobin out

[NicoRobin]

Like you are sitting here doing nothing while calling the one player who actually does something 'dumb'. You can call me 'dumb' all you like, but you will not be calling one of the best players I know 'dumb'. Not on my watch.

[NicoRobin]

ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT. I'm

BACK

, baby.

Yall been posting up a goshdarn storm which totally blows but I get it. Could someone who has been paying attention gimmie a summary of the particularly important stuff that has happened in that time, like claims etc.? I'm gonna get reading but I'd still appreciate that so I can get some participation in before the day ends.

I'm also gonna be trying to keep my posting relatively terse out of sympathy for our dear moderator Cheetory6, whom I feel a particular kinship with as I too have moderated games that have exorbitantly long day 1s.

UNVOTE:

Me and mastina are masons, so are Beeboy and Love.

And don't listen to anything said by OTM, he is a mafia manipulator.

[NicoRobin]

My modifier is enabler, and I enable her role.

THAT IS NOT SOMETHING I WANTED YOU TO CLAIM DAMMIT.

Sowwy.

[NicoRobin]

VOTE: MariaR

[NicoRobin]

I don't want to join a wagon that has Yume and Mastina

lel

[NicoRobin]

Vote OTM then. Neither is there anymore.

[NicoRobin]

No I'm scumreading both

Then you are scumreading the only true mason pair. How quaint.

[NicoRobin]

Bumpity bumpity bumperino bump.

[NicoRobin]

Blatant prod dodge.

I have dnd tonight. Still think scum controls this game and it’s just a popularity contest. No one besides me and my townreads are actually scumhunting and people are way too concerned about tearing others down.

Just like you are trying to tear us down no matter what, no?

[NicoRobin]

Do you want a no-lynch? Cos you sure are doing everything in your power to make sure no lynch happens with your endless bickering. Decide on common ground already, even if you end up voting mom.

[NicoRobin]

I'd prefer if you lynched OTM or Maria, but if push comes to shove, I'll compromise and vote Mom.

[NicoRobin]

VOTE: OTM

I knew it, you killed her so she couldn't reveal us as real masons, allowing you to continue to shade us with impunity.

[NicoRobin]

You realize pushing my mislynch confirms you both as scum right?

I also see that my mislynch needs to happen.

Once I flip town, Mastina and Nico die. They are scum that killed Momrangal to hide the fact they aren’t masons. I am the counter to Mastina/Nico so they need me gone to make their checks ninja.

VOTE: OTM

I have work. Give me 24 hours for a reads list before mislynching me

No, you are killed her so you can bring this exact argument.

Also, mastina is the one who shot Kokichi, so please don't waste her blessing by letting OTM have his way. @Nahdia

[NicoRobin]

You realize pushing my mislynch confirms you both as scum right?

I also see that my mislynch needs to happen.

Once I flip town, Mastina and Nico die. They are scum that killed Momrangal to hide the fact they aren’t masons. I am the counter to Mastina/Nico so they need me gone to make their checks ninja.

VOTE: OTM

I have work. Give me 24 hours for a reads list before mislynching me

No, you are killed her so you can bring this exact argument.

Also, mastina is the one who shot Kokichi, so please don't waste her blessing by letting OTM have his way. @Nahdia

Yeah nice try

Mastina shot a lightning rod. Sure *rolls eyes*

Yes, she did.

I am running you through with a blade.

@Mastina
@Pine

Vote with me.

[NicoRobin]

Uh huh. Sure thing. I will even fall on it to be protown.

Then your fakeclaim is exposed.

How about I die and they lynch you when I flip mason instead? Are you willing to accept that too?

[NicoRobin]

VOTE: NicoRobin

Here, I'll even vote myself to prove we're masons, then you'd be toast. How 'bout that, pal?

@Pine You gave her a 1-shot vigilante

[NicoRobin]

Then your gift wasn't received, cos the only thing she mentioned was receiving 1-shot vigi.

[NicoRobin]

But whatever, go ahead and keep your vote where it is. It works in my favor. I will flip mason and then you will lynch OTM next, and I am willing to die as long as you oust his lyin' personage next. Promise me you will.

[NicoRobin]

Mathdino and I are Inventor ENABLERS.

I received and was able to use the invention-gift in one go. It makes sense that Mastina would have received and used it immediately.

Promise me you will lynch OTM immediately after I flip mason.

[NicoRobin]

She shot Kokichi, not MariaR. Go on, twist the truth some more.

[NicoRobin]

Mathdino and I are Inventor ENABLERS.

I received and was able to use the invention-gift in one go. It makes sense that Mastina would have received and used it immediately.

How do you know what Mathdino is?

VOTE: Unvote

See, he can't even hold your vote on me for more than five seconds. He has a 'solid' scumread on me but he unvotes his supposed solid scumread after five seconds. He is fear-mongering.

[NicoRobin]

Same idea applies.

I just don’t believe she vigged anyone.

Pine knowing what Mathdino is needs sorting now.

Then who did?

[NicoRobin]

Same idea applies.

I just don’t believe she vigged anyone.

Pine knowing what Mathdino is needs sorting now.

Then who did?

Why should we out the vig to scum? It’s what you want.

If we were scum, we would be running circles around you now. She with her planning and me with my ability to make people do what we want.

Furthermore, why would I, as scum, be willing to sacrifice myself so easily? As scum, I usually try to talk people out of my lynch, not accept it.

[NicoRobin]

OTM we covered this yesterday. We softed something and Cheeky used her 1-shot message to confirm her role to us. We are both Beeboy, and are even/odd versions of Inventor Enablers.

I asked you multiple times to lynch OTM once I flip mason and you deliberately ignore me? No sell. >.>

VOTE: Pine

This vote stays until you promise to lynch OTM the second I flip mason.

Now I am angry, and you will do so or I will votepark you for the rest of the game.

[NicoRobin]

Shut up, Nico.

So you refuse to vote him even after I flip mason?

If so, explain why would refuse to lynch him even after I flip mason?

I didn't play with you, but people say you are a smart cookie, smart enough to insta-lynch him after my flip shows we're town.....

[NicoRobin]

Christ. Can y'all stop being so overdramatic and rash? The day has barely begun, most people haven't checked in.

The reason I am dramatic is because you are bying into OTM's BS LIKE GULLIBLE IDIOTS, AND SHUT ME UP THE MOMENT I TRY TO FORCE HIS LYNCH BY FLIPPING MASON.

Comprende?

[NicoRobin]

AND IF YOUR PLAN WAS TO MAKE ME HAVE A GODDAMN ANEURYSM, THEN CONGRATULATIONS, YOU'VE SUCCEEDED. GO ON BELIEVING A NON-CONFIRMED OTM OVER SOMEONE WHO IS WILLING TO DIE TO CONFIRM SELF, YES. IT WILL DO A LOT OF GOOD. JUST DON'T COME CRYING TO/BLAMING MASTINA AND ME ONCE HE ENDGAMES YOU.

@Nahdia Not by itself no. But when put together with shading us, it does.

[NicoRobin]

@Nahdia Not by itself no. But when put together with shading us, it does.

Okay well I disagree with that, so that's where the disconnect between us is. I don't see why OTM can't just be wrong town assuming you are masons.

Because Mini 1936.

[NicoRobin]

Allegedly* willing to die to confirm self. Also known as nothing.

Additionally, even if Cheetory were to descend from on high and say, "Yo, Nico and Mastina are Masons, bruv," it doesn't actually say fuck-all about OTM.

Yes it does, because he is shading us in the same way scum did in that Mini. The exact. same. way.

But hey, whatever floats your boat. Just don't come crying to us or blame us once he endgames you, cos it'd be your own fault for not listening to us.

[NicoRobin]

Allegedly* willing to die to confirm self. Also known as nothing.

Additionally, even if Cheetory were to descend from on high and say, "Yo, Nico and Mastina are Masons, bruv," it doesn't actually say fuck-all about OTM.

You do realize that this is what OTM is doing to and yet you believe him without reservations.

[NicoRobin]

EITHER LUYNCH ME SO I CAN FLIP MASON AND END THIS CHARADE OR DROP YOUR SCUMREADS ON ME. NO BEING IN THE MIDDLE OR TIPTOEING AROUND THE TRUTH ANYMORE.

ME OR OTM. CHOOSE.

CHOOSE OR I WILL GLADIATE.

[NicoRobin]

Allegedly* willing to die to confirm self. Also known as nothing.

Additionally, even if Cheetory were to descend from on high and say, "Yo, Nico and Mastina are Masons, bruv," it doesn't actually say fuck-all about OTM.

Okay, calmed down. Pretend we are masons for a sec and explain why town!OTM would shade us in the exact same manner that scum did?

[NicoRobin]

@Nahdia Not by itself no. But when put together with shading us, it does.

Okay well I disagree with that, so that's where the disconnect between us is. I don't see why OTM can't just be wrong town assuming you are masons.

Because Mini 1936.

Because Stevens Universe 2.

If people think I am scum we can eat the mislynch.

The fact that if Mastina is town didn’t vig me kinda proves she is scum.

She knows what I did as caught scum in night and day.

Mastina if town always vigs me here.

The reason you didn’t is you’re scared of my flip.

But I don’t mind dying to have it proven especially when you’re torpedoing your arguments by voting Pine after accusing me of wiggling my vote and then going back to me.

I don’t care for the all caps. It’s an action of last resort.

I am gonna scumhunt for the buddies. You can scream.

We were both town in that game too. Your point?

[NicoRobin]

Like you said, two can play at that game.



If people think we're scum I can eat the mislynch.

OTM believes I am scum, so he should vote me here. Instead he flip-flops

The reason he flip-flops is because he's scared of my flip.

But I don’t mind dying to have it proven

[NicoRobin]

He killed Momrangal to frame us. If she were still alive, she would have checked us and revealed us as masons. He couldn't have that, so he killed her.

And now he has free reign over you all, he got you hook, line and sinker. The difference is that there's no Momrangal to back him into a corner.

[NicoRobin]

He killed Momrangal to frame us. If she were still alive, she would have checked us and revealed us as masons. He couldn't have that, so he killed her.

And now he has free reign over you all, he got you hook, line and sinker. The difference is that there's no Momrangal to back him into a corner.

They killed Momrangal to escape the guilty. If Momrangal was still alive she would have checked you and revealed you’re scum.

This is ridiculous and petulant.

We are stopping this and hunting.

If you think I am scum find who with.

What you are doing is spam which no one wants to read.

Right now I have a hair brained theory I want to see if it is true.

How about you and Kokichi, the actual flipped scum?

[NicoRobin]

Told you we should have lynched in Nico/mastina

And as for who your third is, right here.

[NicoRobin]

His posts are sheepy as hell and he isn't using his own original thoughts either.

@Math Nah, if that were the case, I'd be scumreading Pine and Nahdia as well, which I am not.

[NicoRobin]

I expect people to think with their head, not be OTM's Borg-hivemind.

[NicoRobin]

So all the players prefer being OTM's Borg-hivemind as opposed to listening to reason....?

Okay..... :rolleyes:

/goes back to the severs/

[NicoRobin]

OTM.

[NicoRobin]

OTM.

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You said 'pick one of the three' and I gave my pick.

And I am being ignored, again.....

*sigh*

Really, I don't know why I'm even trying at this point when everyone except us is clearly part of OTM's hivemind, with 'lynch Nico/Mastina' mindset....

[NicoRobin]

And let's lock up this argument right here.

Townbloc Pine, LLD, Mathdino, Mastina. OTM and Nico are Town too, but don't get a vote until they stop being dumbasses.

If by 'stopping being a dumbass' you mean 'stop scumreading OTM' then hell no.

I have my own reasons for scumreading him and being told by you to stop scumreading your hive-master isn't gonna change my read on him.

[NicoRobin]

Mastina, control your partner, please. I'm aware of reasons we can't policy her, but it's super tempting.

You want to policy me because I scumread OTM?

[NicoRobin]

Mastina, control your partner, please. I'm aware of reasons we can't policy her, but it's super tempting.

You want to policy me because I scumread OTM?

I want to policy you for being obnoxious. And, apparently, for being the kind of player who only reads posts where someone is saying something they don't like. If you'd read the post immediately before that, I threw the book at OTM defending you.

Be more third-grader-ish.

Then why don't you vote him? Are you so repulsed by me that you refuse to vote him solely because I scumread him?

And about having charisma, I tried playing nice at one time. I tried convincing people in a nice way. No one listened until it was too late. So if I have to be obnoxious in order to prevent another loss, then so be it.

[NicoRobin]

And about being obnoxious, considering I and mastina caught scum in 1936 when no one else did, I think both of us have the right to be a little obnoxious....

[NicoRobin]

As I have said, I think your dispute is TvT.

Care to explain why his

1. Shading of masons is town?
2. His persistence to continue shading masons when multiple people (yourself included, as you just said) keep telling him why he is wrong is town?
3. His constant vote-hopping and his refusal to lynch me, thereby allowing us to prove that we're indeed masons is somehow town?

[NicoRobin]

Especially since I caught scum in Mini 1936 for this exact reason (shading confirmed town, poking and prodding at their status to discredit them).

[NicoRobin]

I am extending you an olive branch and am willing to work with you. Make use of this chance rather than sprouting useless comments about how I am obnoxious and stuff

[NicoRobin]

Yes, I do, considering that in my past experience, someone who shaded town was [censored] scum. Therefore, doing these things is scummy move.

[NicoRobin]

But don't take my word for it, go read Radical Rat's ISO in Mini 1936. It's filled to the brim with the exact same type of shading OTM is doing here. The exact same type.

Seriously, just read that game and get your mind out of the gutter. I am tired of repeating the same thing over and over and having it fall on deaf ears. So compare Radical Rat's ISO in that game and OTM's ISO in this game and then write me a 150 character essay about whether or not their ISOs are different.....

*yawn*

[NicoRobin]

Well, since the players don\t want to listen to me and disregard everything I say as dumb, I might as well not say anything substantial.

[NicoRobin]

Well, since the players don\t want to listen to me and disregard everything I say as dumb, I might as well not say anything substantial.

Currently I don’t want to listen to you because I feel like you want me to not exist and would rather force me back into a closet. I am accurate in saying I don’t want to talk with you but it’s not because of your reads and I don’t think you’re dumb. I just have a line for my own sanity and it’s a rather hard line.

VOTE: MathDino

No, it is because of my reads. Your whole reason for not talking to me is because I have you as scum and refuse to budge.

[NicoRobin]

Okay. I am sorry I called you by the wrong pronoun. We cool?

[NicoRobin]

There was no way I could have known because mastina wasn't around to tell me otherwise at the time, and I've been calling you 'he' ever since she did scold me......

[NicoRobin]

So in light of the above two posts, will you admit that the real reason you don't to talk to me is because I scumread you and refuse to budge?

[NicoRobin]

Disingenuous apology is disingenuous.

So are you suggesting I could have read his mind somehow? Cos that would be the only way I could have known.

[NicoRobin]

I made my scumreads clear. OTM and N_M are my scumreads.

[NicoRobin]

I'm suggesting that the first time he said "Please use masculine pronouns" you could have said "Oh my bad bro" like the rest of us. A pressured one-line apology immediately followed by "We cool?" and a demand to capitulate to your biased version of events is disingenuous.

In other news, who else do you have scumreads on? Who else do you TR? Maybe if you talked about something other than one topic, people would interact with you more positively.

And how was I supposed to know that? Oh, and furthermore, you are a bunch of hypocrites. You don't know how many times I asked MS users to call me a 'she' and guess what? They flatly ignored it. If you are gonna get on my case for this, then you apologize once for every instance a MS user referred to me as 'he'. Right now.

[NicoRobin]

Mathdino has a point.

Nico does not. Pouting about other users, who are not in this game, mistreating you is not actually an excuse for mistreating OTM.

OTM, set your pronoun for fuck's sake.

So you are essentially said that their mistreatment of me can be forgiven, but my own 'mistreatment' cannot be?

If so, then screw you. You are an insensitive human being.

[NicoRobin]

What I'm saying is that the offense you've given is far greater than you seem willing to acknowledge, and your offense received is being oversold.

How I perceive this

"Nico amd everyone else deserve to be called by wrong pronouns and the offenders will be exempt from having to apologize because they are insignificant in the grand scheme of things, but whenever someone calls OTM by wrong pronouns, they are doing a grave offense and should apologize instantly or we would stop talking to them as punishment."

[NicoRobin]

Because you just implied that the offense I received is insignificant compared to the offense OTM received, despite them being the DAMN SAME THING.

Biased much?

[NicoRobin]

Nope. Not until he stops insulting me in this way.

[NicoRobin]

If you haven\t noticed, I am a human too, and I have feelings, so stop treating me like I am less than a human.