Mini #119: Pirate Mafia - ARRRRRRR!

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Hello...I mean...ARR mateys!

First on me agenda...

Swashbucklin' SaveTheDragons

Thank yee kindly

Arrr...ol' werebeard confuses me; can any pirate make sense o' that or be I not good in tha 'ead?

Lookin' over them here ship records, mateys, I dun see much...uh...bad stuff.

(stupid pirate talk)

Mateys, I think Dirge be a li'l extreme...the whole Thoth vs. Dirge thing didn't make too much sense to me...this pirate fell off the ol' crows nest 'n landed head first on de deck below, so I'll keep lookin'

How do you do the pirate talk so well, Cap'n?

Arrr, I need some grog...where be the galley o' the galleon?

Wait, if Dirge be tellin' the truth about bein' roleblocked afore, 'n tonight we get two kills...I dunno, 'ere still could be a doc, but...what if Dirge be evil 'n civilized? 'E was stopped yesterday, but not today. Hence, extra kill. This definately don't deserve a lynch, but I be thinking a vote may be in order.

Vote: Dirge

It be crappy logic, but it'll do until I get me some understandin'...I don't feel like rereadin' just now.

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Yar, I'm drunk off my ass with that there grog...on second thought keep me away from da galley.

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Unvote

just to make it official.

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Arrr, did not see tha discharged blunderbuss, methinks this definately says vigilante.

And this pirate be too ugly to be marrin' a nice girl, ya hear?

he could be a doc, who knew his protect didnt work, he could be a cop - who didnt get a result - not a whole lot else I can think of besides Serial Killer.

Yar, this be about Dirge. 'Tis true, howe'er, all three are o' course counter productive to the anti piratey way o' life.

FOS Narnian

But Someone O' the Seven Seas strikes me as more suspicious. Yar, he's been alone in his quarters while we be discussin' this whole bit out. He only spoke 4 times.

Vote: Someone

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Arrr! I wrote this long thin' 'bout me suspicions but now thinkin' 'bout it I assume Thoth be the one who sent Dirge into tha cold blue sea fore'er. Me suspicion makes little sense now.

UnFOS Narninan

If you're interested, methought cuz doc cop and SK are not good fer the anti-pirates (doc and cop more so than SK), that 'cuz 'o what you be tellin', they took out Dirge, or you took out Dirge youself. Howe'er, that don't seem possible no more IMO.

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Yarr...replace away.

Unvote: Someone

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And now that you're here, massive me matey, what do it take to get on your weirdness list? Arr! Arr! Arr I say!

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Hmm...I gotta try those pirate pick up lines...

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Ok...so...we got:

Doomcow married, presumably by our priest Lord Gurgi
Lord Gurgi gets fired from the cannon
Thoth kills Dirge, and then gets killed himself by the mafia.

So the question is...

Is Lord Gurgi in the leuge with more anti pirate(s) and they got to choose who kills or are they seperate and did the mafia's night one kill get blocked by the doctor?

I'm thinking the plan was to kill Thoth to frame Dirge, which might have been an easy lynch, but Dirge got shot.

Hmmmmm...I'm thinking Slidago because:

Slidago joined the unvote Dirge bandwagon...and he already came up with the begining information of this post before I did j/k.

Slidago does seem to just go with the flow except for his one calling of FD about the Thoth vote...

(BTW, FD, how do you KNOW Someone had a reason? Because omitting the word Random means different things to different people...is there something you know that I don't?)

FOS FD

, but I doubt he's one of the bad guys.

I will, however,

Vote Slidago

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I am also a little suspicious of Narninian, but don't have a whole lot of evidence to support it.

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My bad Jose

Anyway...I can answer your question though.

After dirge claims, you don't unvote. After people discuss how many killing groups there are (you included), you don't unvote. After dirge says a little more, you don't unvote. No. You unvoted 20 minutes after Shelper did. Bandwagon? Maybe the second out of the third is not a technical bandwagon. Did you unvote just because Shelper got back from vacation and decided to unvote? To me, that's exactly what it looks like. And I just don't see what it is in massive's post that can influence three people to unvote within an hour and a half of each other.

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Unvoting doesn't exactly implicate mafia; it implicates going with the flow, which makes it easy to slide by.

In order for you not to see shelper's post, you either had to have not refreshed (as in reading) or have been typing for 17 minutes. Since you read my post that's just short of massive's and typed three lines in less than 7 minutes...I'm doubting this whole thing.

And what exactly about massive's post made you change your mind? I think I have an idea but I'm not 100% sure what you're getting at.

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and well I can very safely and honestly say I

most likely

refreshed the window, in which Massive's post showed, then I

might

have stepped out of the room for whatever amount of time, and when I came back I replied, and when I pressed submit Shelper had already unvoted before me...

I like those mights and most likelys because if you had said that was what you did I probably wouldn't believe you at all.

But...I knew that that was going to be your excuse...stepping out of the room...it's way too obvious.

And as for going with the flow for just unvoting?

Slidago does seem to just go with the flow except for his one calling of FD about the Thoth vote...

When I look over the thread I don't see you contributing much...very little input except a few defences, a couple of statements saying you agree with a person, and one where you wait for the Dirge/Thoth thing to unfold.

You did talk a little about the past killings, but didn't include too much detail.

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FD's a little quiet...do you have any reason to still be voting Dirge II?

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deck lickers.

Careful there

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Shelper, that logic makes no sense. At the time, there were still 4 votes on Dirge. Drummer had no way of knowing what everyone else was going to do; if they were going to unvote or wait for a full claim.

Minor FOS: Shelper

I'm very happy with my vote on Silgado (oh crap it's Silgado? I thought it was Slidago! Sorry Jose )

Anyway, I'd be willing to vote for someone else, but not drummer, unless more evidence appears or we get close to the deadline.

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Ok. We're getting nowhere.

We've got too choices:

Silgado or Drummer.

To me, Silgado has been going with the flow and offering little insight on who the mafia was. To me, Drummer has done little to drum up suspicious (pun not intended).

Anybody want to claim? J/k.

I will NOT vote drummer unless there is more to prove he's scum.
I will keep my vote on Silgado because I feel that's the best place to go.
In 24 hours I might vote drummer.

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Arrrrrr...

unvote: Sligado

I think 'e's tellin' tha truth, mateys; I thought my stuff against 'im was weak anyways.

'aybe we need some modprods?

I'm still thinkin' drummer is not scummy.

I'm thinkin' shelper might be a good bet for scum but I dunno yet.

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Works for me.

Vote: FD

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Works for me.

Vote: FD

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Another vig?

I dunno what to do besides going after someone who went for Drummer:

Shelper and Massive.

To me Shelper's looked a little suspicious.

Either Jose or Shelper's looking good to me.

Vote: Shelper

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Ah ok...I thought I had remembered sombody walked the plank.

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It's like raiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin on your weddin' day!

sorry.

I was very happy because I felt there was no one else worthy to go for. The evidence against him wasn't too great. But the evidence on anyone else, IMO, was lacking or non-existant.

As for drummer...I dunno how the mafia knew drummer was a rollblocker anyway. And I guess I'm curious why the doc is still in the game.

Hmmmm...

I guess it's possible for the mafia to hand us Jose to lynch...

At the moment I'm more interested in shelper.

Scum leaves me, dirge, and Jose so me and dirge, who both voted for Jose will go after him today...scum kills a random other person. It's very possible there are two scums left...I don't know what to do.

I just think Shelper is scum. He could be, he might not be. I think it's possible Jose is still alive because he's scum and he's not the doctor. (Hey, let's see how many Alanis Morrisette song titles I can put in a post. You oughtta know how many ...sorry)

And technically...I did NOT put you on a suspicion list, I was stating a fact. The suspicious list was Shelper and Silgado. Well...that post kinda makes it seem so, but I haven't really seen you as suspicious.

Well, upon re-read, my weird list still contains the same people, and I think I could pony up to

vote drummer97531

. Since we know now that Dirge was innocent, it makes his concerted effort to get him to fully claim look a little more scummy. His voting patterns are also quite strange to me, and I usually look at incontinuity (is that a word?) as an attempt to evade suspicion.

Oh yeah, and I don't get it. Why does Dirge being innocent and any effort to get a full claim and your strange voting patterns and incontinuity (neither of which exist I might add) makes you scummy?

I can see that Drummer was pushing for a full claim on an innocent person...but I would go with the fact that no one knows what the roles are except scum know scum and some know some, but drummer, guilty or not, would have no clue if Dirge were scummy or not.

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I think he's still in the process of moving...

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Well...basically I didn't think there was any evidence against him, nor did I feel that he was scum...that's the only reason...I thought it was explained in those quotes...

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Sorry, Jose was easier to type

I don't have such a role as yours. More later.

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The pirate in Texas mafia looks like a Vig.

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Dirge and STD

(the ones left unclear by process of elimation, post 251, if you've just tuned in)

Aren't you forgeting someone?

But besides that, the more I think about it, the more I think Silgado is scummy...

Unvote

If we get nowhere fast approaching the deadline, I think he would be a last ditch effort to get scum or die trying.

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I am the Pirate Who Forgot Where His Treasure Is Burried.

Each night I dig someone's grave, looking for my treasure. I investigate dead people. Yep. No clue what it's good for.

N1: Nothing
N2: DoomCow, no luck
N3: Lord G, no luck
N4: Flying Dutchman, mod has yet to send the result

Crap, are those all the role claims?

What does Samuel do?

Ok...my thoughts on this...

Shelper claimed townie...Jose claimed doc...Massive claimed vig...and I got something.

The most obvious choice for mafia is Shelper, which I am inclined to agree with Dirge about the roleclaim.

Other possibilities include, but are not limited, to the following:

Massive claiming vig, while Thoth was a real vig and massive is scum...

Jose being one heck of a lucky doc, or not one at all...

I gotta say for why Jose is still here, there's only five people, and with one protect left, the chances diminish. the mafia are either stupid or risky, and it's probably the latter.

I could also very well be making up my role, but I assure you, it's the truth.

And lastly

Shelper: I was refering to you.

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Are you saying i might be mafia because i'm the only person without a night choice? Doomcow the generic pirate, Dutchman the rat and wooden Fuldu all had night choices as well?
Surely you're not following that logic, that's just plain silly, could you be a bit clearer?

Prove they didn't.

Pirate = probable townie
Pie Rat = possible townie
Wooden Limb Guy = come on, there's gotta be SOMETHING more to that role.

Shelper: I was refering to you.

Well, obviously i know of myself i'm not scum, so i felt it unnecessary to put it in there.

Well, obviously I don't know of yourself. I don't know you're not scum. But I will say that this point is moot and I don't see why I brought it up. I apologize.

The ones that strike me as most suspicious at this point are dirge and STD. Dirge got a named role but never said he did when we asked everybody if they did. And STD's claim is just so far out there i need to borrow dead dirge I's eyeglass just to get a clear view. What more can we know when a person dies? I think you just picked up on the fact there was confusion to thoth's actual alignment, and build yourself a nice role around it. Except for the part where you can't actually tell us

anything

, so instead of investigating thoth, who you might have learned the most from and help us out, you went ahead and investigated two different persons. Wouldn't thoth make a much better target?

How would Thoth make a better target? I get results on dead people for reasons unknown to me.

BTW the results I got on FD: Nothing.

I picked random people, because I didn't see what I could learn.

The most likely mafia claims would probably be something simple. Townie works. So does Doc. Of course, it could be like some wierd WIFOM and they could have obscure claims. These roles are helpful for planning strategy, but it's hard for them to help us too much for finding mafia, on thier own.

But...

Shelper, with your constant attempts to spin the blame in Dirge and my dirrection, as well as some of the things you said, and your impossible-to-prove-until-you're-dead-or-copped townie role, I think you are the best choice for mafia.

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Arg. More on this story later. I'll do this chronologically. This might be a long one, so do what I did. Get some ice cream.

1. Shelper's Post:

(unless they all got roles like yours, no offense please )

None taken...I think it's useless too especially since there's not much else I can do.

your impossible-to-prove-until-you're-dead-or-copped townie role

You haven't gotten all that many results yourself, treasureboy, all you got is a fancy rolename with nothing to back it up with. If future digging gives the same results as your previous's, you're in the same boat you say i am in. A fancy name but with very little to back it up with.

lol, treasureboy.

That's true, but would I made up all this crap? Picking the 4 choices with a role I never comprehended before this game and methodically claiming I have yet to get a result for the last one to buy some time? Why? I'm not that smart if I were, you're right, I probably should have chose Thoth.

2. The last roleclaim

If anyone holds any weight on this, I will smack them. I have a little something called school on the west coast, and I get out really late anyway, and so by the time I'm out it's dinner time on the east coast. Besides, I could have just as easily picked...well...I really don't know, but I'd probably do it a lot simpler than "I investigate dead people."

3. Dirge's vote

The vote for shelper is a little bit harmless for a couple of reasons:

Mafia would need to be online to cooridinate such an execution

Shelper's probably mafia

I would love to vote Shelper, but, there's a small chance he isn't mafia.

There is such a chance, so I think it's a little suspicious to vote without selecting a person most of the town can agree on to actually vote.

4. The looooooooong post

As I see it, there's only four possibilities as to scum pairs:

1) Dirge and Shelper

2) Dirge and STD

3) STD and Shelper

4) STD and Dirge

wtf?

Another instance was when both STD and Shelper, around the time when STD had recentely replaced DS and Someone had still not gotten replaced, voted for Someone, which picked up into a sort of bandwaggon when FD joined in as well and he got to be one away from getting lynched. And STD unvoted only after Massive said that we should get Someone replaced rather than lynched.

Why else would I unvote?

All in all, STD (or someone with his role) has only voted for Dirge (or someone with his role) twice, while Dirge has not voted for STD at all yet.

Maybe he likes me.

Big K said this - "Civilians that emphasize morality and not the reveling life of a pirate?" This sounds of course like the Priest, who married DoomCow and prevented him from his non-moral pirate life. But when Big K said this, all we knew was that DoomCow had married "a nice girl" From that I immedeately thought that the mafia might be "nice girls" just like Shelper did as he said so in a post of his own some time ago as well. So was Big K just making an assumption as to the "civilians that emphasize morality"? Or did he know that LG was a Priest since they were scum buddies? And if that is the case, was Shelper trying to rectify Big K's error by later saying that the mafia was most likely "evil wenches"? Arghh... I really might be grasping as straws here, but I think that every little action counts.

Hmmmm...interesting. Evil wenches I think means bitchy girls in pirate times but I dunno for sure. It could mean any evil person...I dunno for sure the definition of wench. Anyway...I think that part is grasping straws, but...the B_K thing...I think you got something.

That is, I would be saying that, however:

Excuse me for stating the obvivous, but we had one night kill. DoomCow was "married to a nice girl". I wonder what type of baddies we have? Civilians that emphasize morality and not the reveling life of a pirate? Nice, good ole girls? etc.. Also, if we have another group, was "married to a nice girl" a mafia trait or a sk trait?

He's hypothesizing. I find it very suspicious you pick up on those words and ignore the context of the phrase. My spanish 200 teacher would kill you (because she said "context of the sentance" a lot). Then again, I have no doubt you could translate the sentance in spanish forward and backwards, so she probably wouldn't. I digress. Digress is pretty wierd if you say it like that. It's like, "LOOK AT ME! I'M DIGRESSING!"

Sorry. I'll stop now.

Now I would like for EVERYONE to tell us all who are your top TWO suspects, as we have more or less concluded there's two mafias left working together, tell us all your top two, and WHY. And why am I so demanding? Well I don't know, just do it.... please?

Gladly. At least...well...it's changing. I know number one though, and if anyone doesn't know my number one choice for scum, they haven't been paying attention.

1. Shelper. He's been very defensive; etc. I don't think I need to get into this.

2. Should I go with the doc who refuses to die or mr. aggressive?

I'm liking Dirge, because he's playing hard, and he's hiding behind me, picking who I'm picking, etc...

And this is where that ARG comes in from the very top (remember?).

Because if Dirge is scum, it doesn't make sense for him to go so heavily after shelper...so probably only one of them are scum.

So there's shelper, Dirge, Sligado, and the Vig that we've pledged as truthful. I'm not saying I'm disbelieving his role claim, but I think it's possible Thoth was a vig and Massive is Maf.

But I'm going to put Massive aside for now, because I do believe him, and all the situations I can think of in my mushed up brain don't add up to him mafia.

But I'd say Dirge, and I have more in my very last point:

5. Arguments 1 and 2

(These refer to the recent running argument between Dirge and Silgado)

(I don't mean winning as in winning the argument, I mean winning = more common sense logic)

1. Dirge...Silgado point wins out over your one...you just assumed. It doesn't matter if his suspicion was for me, it's nothing unless you knew it or had an inkling. There was nothing to give such a thing.

2. At first, Silgado was winning with waiting for the result is what anyone would have done.

Then Dirge rebounds, making his point that Shelper had extra time to attack me.

I don't think I can go on...I'm getting a little tired. I apologize. I only had a little left to go. I hope I didn't bore you.

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Sorry, long post.

[start of STD response]

2. The last roleclaim

If anyone holds any weight on this, I will smack them. I have a little something called school on the west coast, and I get out really late anyway, and so by the time I'm out it's dinner time on the east coast. Besides, I could have just as easily picked...well...I really don't know, but I'd probably do it a lot simpler than "I investigate dead people."

You can say that you could have picked something simpler all you want, but that still doesn't justify anything. You have mentioned it yourself, WIFOM, I am not even going to take this point seriously.

The point I was really trying to make was that I wasn't waiting for everyone else to claim just so that I could post a pre-planned obscure role that I was hoping no one else had, cuz investigating dead people looking for treasure is very popular.

Hmmmm...interesting. Evil wenches I think means bitchy girls in pirate times but I dunno for sure. It could mean any evil person...I dunno for sure the definition of wench. Anyway...I think that part is grasping straws, but...the B_K thing...I think you got something.

I don't think you understood what I said. First of all, I know what he meant by "evil wenches". That was Shelper after he came back and Big K wasn't replacing him anymore. How am I grasping straws only at what Shelper said, but not at what Big K said... and if I have something with the Big K thing, then why do you say this afterwards?

He's hypothesizing. I find it very suspicious you pick up on those words and ignore the context of the phrase. My spanish 200 teacher would kill you (because she said "context of the sentance" a lot). Then again, I have no doubt you could translate the sentance in spanish forward and backwards, so she probably wouldn't. I digress. Digress is pretty wierd if you say it like that. It's like, "LOOK AT ME! I'M DIGRESSING!"

Sorry. I'll stop now.

So I first have something, but then I am suspicious because I picked up on "those words"....

Whoops! You missed a line:

Hmmmm...interesting. Evil wenches I think means bitchy girls in pirate times but I dunno for sure. It could mean any evil person...I dunno for sure the definition of wench. Anyway...I think that part is grasping straws, but...the B_K thing...I think you got something.

That is, I would be saying that, however:

Excuse me for stating the obvivous, but we had one night kill. DoomCow was "married to a nice girl". I wonder what type of baddies we have? Civilians that emphasize morality and not the reveling life of a pirate? Nice, good ole girls? etc.. Also, if we have another group, was "married to a nice girl" a mafia trait or a sk trait?

He's hypothesizing. I find it very suspicious you pick up on those words and ignore the context of the phrase. My spanish 200 teacher would kill you (because she said "context of the sentance" a lot). Then again, I have no doubt you could translate the sentance in spanish forward and backwards, so she probably wouldn't. I digress. Digress is pretty wierd if you say it like that. It's like, "LOOK AT ME! I'M DIGRESSING!"

Sorry. I'll stop now.

So basically, I'm saying evil wenches could mean anything, and if B_K said the civil thing on its own, it would have been suspicious, but because he added a bunch of other stuff, it's not. And I think it's very ironic that you again omitting things in my argument against you where I try to call you out for omitting things.

1. Shelper. He's been very defensive; etc. I don't think I need to get into this.

Well yeah I would like you to get into this, because I not only see him being defensive. I see you, dirge and even myself being defensive. Is that all you really have against him? Seems rather weak to be your top choice.

Well, that was just an example...I could look back at my posts and tell you all my reasons again, but I won't right now...I gotta answer your stuff first.

2. Should I go with the doc who refuses to die or mr. aggressive?

I'm liking Dirge, because he's playing hard, and he's hiding behind me, picking who I'm picking, etc...

[sarcasm]Yes, every night when I am about to get killed, I beg and plea and refuse to let those scumbags kill me. It works, you should try it.[/sarcasm]

It's a figure of speech.

[quote="Silgado]Anyway, yes Dirge is playing hard, he has been playing hard since the very beginning of this game, remember the Dirge/Thoth thing? Remember the Dirge/Me thing? But wait a sec, the first Dirge (the one in Dirge/Thoth) was actually a cop. Ummm. I think that rules out your "playing hard". And is he really hiding behind you? Or just relying on you? And vice versa? Because I do remember, in some of the points I wrote, that you were the one that actually followed him. Ummm. I think that rules out your second point against Dirge. So now really, what is the real reason you think Dirge is scum?[/quote]

Then after I role claim, Dirge unvotes first, then STD, then Dirge votes FD, and then STD follows again and votes for FD.

Good point. I was tired. I have no answer for this...

By playing hard, though, I meant the way he was currently acting. It's open to interpretation. He was playing hard before, but he's playing hard in a different way now, I think. A little less confrontational, but still just as agressive.

Because if Dirge is scum, it doesn't make sense for him to go so heavily after shelper...so probably only one of them are scum.

So there's shelper, Dirge, Sligado, and the Vig that we've pledged as truthful. I'm not saying I'm disbelieving his role claim, but I think it's possible Thoth was a vig and Massive is Maf.

But I'm going to put Massive aside for now, because I do believe him, and all the situations I can think of in my mushed up brain don't add up to him mafia.

But I'd say Dirge, and I have more in my very last point:

Exactly, it wouldn't really make sense if the scum would go against scum this late in the game, it would make them lose one partner, making it way harder for them to win, when all they have to do is make an innocent sound like scum, get him lynched, and win the game.
It is true that Massive could be Mafia if Thoth was actually a vig. But would he really be preparing himself for his roleclaim, ever since Thoth died?? He kept repeating over and over that Thoth was a SK, he even said I was suspicious because I refused to believe that Thoth was a Vig. It sounds to me like he (Massive) has been a Vig throughout the whole game. And if he isn't, then he was EXTREMELY smart by preparing for such a role claim, not even knowing how things would turn out later on in the game.
So then, going by your own suspicions here, if Dirge and Shelper aren't scum together, Massive is not scum, and I know I am not, that can only mean that the scum couple is... yourself and Dirge.

Wow...that's actually pretty sad. You're trying to make it look like I implicated myself. Way to go:

What you can derive from my logic (if you aren't scum):

Dirge and STD could be scum.
STD and shelper could be scum.

What I can derive from my logic (if I'm not scum):

Dirge and Sildago could be scum.
Shelper and Sildago could be scum.

So way to say "going by your own suspicious...you and dirge must be scum." Good job. My own suspicions do not clear you. In fact, based on this and everything you've said before, you've risen to my #1 spot for scum. Congradulations.

2. At first, Silgado was winning with waiting for the result is what anyone would have done.
Then Dirge rebounds, making his point that Shelper had extra time to attack me.

Of course, you couldn't finish off your defensive post with a little hint of making Shelper suspicious.
[End of STD response]

Of course, you couldn't finish off your offensive post without a little hint of attacking me. See that 2? I supported you in 1, cuz you made sense.

I really, really, really want to vote you, Silgado...I've thought you were suspicious for a long time now, but you faded down and we believed your doctor claim. I am willing to take the risk, but I won't yet.

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And if you are curious about that tiny text, that was just stuff that was already quoted by Silgado and I didn't want to make this post longer than it had to be. I tried to do that with some of the text below the bold, but for some reason it didn't work. Check for yourself if you like.

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Yes I did miss that line. So you are telling me, that as you were going along with me, you were agreeing with me with the Big K thing, then you see Big K's post, the one where he is "hypothesizing" (which even if he was hypothesizing, which he was, he put the "moral people"

before

he put the girls? that's really a really weird way of hypothesizing, since the death scene said he married a girl. And also you say he put a bunch of other stuff, when in fact all he put was the "moral people" and the girls. Which post are YOU reading?) and instead of erasing your earlier stuff about agreeing with me, you just post his post and say that I have nothing. That seems like a really weird way of writing your post, which I guess is just that, your weird way of writing posts, rather than something suspicious. So we should dismiss this point.

Moral people could very well equal nice girls. In fact, he gives nice girls as an example. And where, might you ask, would he get that wierd, crazy assumption that there are moral people trying to destroy the pirating way of life?

12 brave souls be gathered aboard the Captain's ship, ready to stand fer life, liberty, and the pursuit of booty! But amongst these 12 man-jacks and sea-dogs and cutthroats be some who have a secret, dreadful mission -- To destroy the pirating way of life!

I dunno...the opposate of cutthroats and man-jacks sure sounds like moral people to me...

And forgive me for posting chronologically. In fact, I was trying to point out how it looks like you set a trap by excluding some of the post, and had one not gone back to look for it, they would have fell for it.

Evil wenches doesn't just mean anything, that meant the girl that DoomCow married. But I really don't know why you are even mentioning Evil Wenches, when it wasn't even Big K that said it!

I wasn't talking about B_K. I was paraphrasing my entire post, which started out by mentioning the wenches.

A little less confrontational? Did you read his posts?

I was thinking heavily on the Thoth vs. Dirge thing...I may be wrong...I'd have to look back over his posts.

Trying to make it look? No, you did that yourself my friend. What I can derive from your logic, and since I am not scum, it's right, it's either you and Dirge, you and Shelper, or Dirge and Shelper (I think I've mentioned this already)
What

you

can derive from your logic IF you are not scum is also right, me and Dirge, me and Shelper, and also Dirge and Shelper (weird, you missed this one... twice) But, I really have to say I am almost cleared. If you think about it (if you are not scum like you say) is that, how can there BE no doctor if I am lying? That sounds stupid, knowing that there's a "treasure hunter" that is virtually useless, yet there's no doctor? What are the chances of town winning with a treasure hunter rather than a doctor?? And then if we take Massive's claim as true, which you have, that means that Thoth was a SK, which means his first kill was either blocked or doctored, yet we know that the only roleblocker DIDN'T block Thoth. The chances of Thoth choosing to kill FD on the first night are pretty high, and

I

protected FD, and

I

am claiming doctor, and no one else has come forward saying that they protected anyone on Night 1! C'mon, if you really are town you would have seen all of this! Instead of putting me on your number one spot, and congratulating me with a mis-spelled word...

Mmmmm...you said I made it look like I was mafia, and say nothing to prove it. That specific incident I was refering to was your effort to pass yourself off as 100% proven innocent.

My logic included the fact that Shelper and Dirge were not scum. And it's interesting you bring that up now, when you didn't before. You just said it was Dirge and I. So I say to you what you said to me. Wierd, you missed this one.

Now about your other thing...you got me...the only thing I could think of was a missing night choice or he's alternating nights or he shot doomcow but marriage took precidence...jee...I have no way of answering...I'm starting to consider you may be telling the truth about this...

My whole post was attacking you and Dirge about your interactions throughout the whole game!! Did you not pay attention?

Mmmmmkay...my post

never meant

you weren't attacking me before...I'm mocking you and pointing out you just ended attacking me. It means nothing. The mocking was the point, and the information after it.

I know you were trying to make me sound stupid and a hypocrite, but how the hell am I a hypocrite when I attack you in a post in which I started by attacking you?? Jesus, now you really are just making stuff up to cover your own ass, and I am getting really tired.

Whuh? You can't be a hypocrite because your post has a certain meaning? Whuh? I'm making stuff up?

You thought I was suspicious? I thought the stuff you had against me was weak. Now your stuff was not weak after all? Can you make up your mind please?

*Takes out notepad*

RE: Silgado

Things can't change, even after excrusiating long posts with tons of information being passed back and forth.

*Puts notpad away*

Ok. Now this is the hard part.

Because of what you said, and the more I think about the mafia not killing you, the more I'm believing your doctor claim, even after all you said to make me feel more suspicious of you. This argument is petty and we're going to be running in circles if we don't stop. I couldn't in good faith not answer some of your claims against me, because that's the way I am. So if you feel like you want to continue, go ahead, and maybe we can gradually fizzle out or something. Because you seem right...but your posts just don't look innocent to me.

And as I said, I usually post my feelings chronologically, but if I change my mind in mid-post (which is quite often) than I will keep everything beforehand.

[Save The Dragons]

Eh? You think I'm scum because of the slip up?

Civilians that emphasize morality and not the reveling life of a pirate? Nice, good ole girls?

And if you'll look to your left (keep all arms and legs inside the vehicle at all times please), you'll see big_k trying to speculate at what roles the mafia might be.
It's obvious we pirates aren't the friendliest of folks, so i can see how he might've thought good moral civilians might want us dead, i don't really understand how everybody sees this as a slipup. The nice good ole girls he must have gotten from the "married to a nice girl" as all of us have, including myself only i called them evil wenches to stay in the theme of things.

Shelper put it much better than I did...this is the point I've been trying to make.

And since nice girls

is

an example of moral people...what's your point?

I call them as I see them...I still think Shelper is mafia, I just don't think people like B_K, make these little 'slips.'

As for killing me...I am not mafia, I swears it. But looking back, the only person I can accuse of mafia is of course Dirge, but I can't really outright accuse him because it would seem like a desperate attempt on my part and just too...fishy I guess. Draw your own conclusions.

[Save The Dragons]

I was refering to you. And you must keep in mind, I wasn't viewing these events as they were happening.

This point is being driven into the ground.

You think it's a slip because of the wording.

I think it's not because pirates are not moral.

I'm not going to change my opinion.

[Save The Dragons]

Well...it's my opinion that shelper is scum. I do not believe that what B_K said is a slip; however I still think he's scummy for other reasons.

[Save The Dragons]

Mmm...

I count 1 reason that I'm disagreeing with, just cuz I don't see it the way you do. He sure could've slipped up.

I'll look over my reasons...could you possibly gather up your reasons? It would be more organized and I could tell you if I believe it or not.

So post coming in a little bit.

[Save The Dragons]

Ok...looking back I kinda feel stupid. It's just the way he's been posting and acting...he seemed to be overly into his innocence and pretty defensive. Looking back I see that I have hardly written anything to show Shelper's guilt. I guess it could be just a feeling.

From what I understand: Silgado and Massive are not scum, and so 2 out of the three remaining players have to be scum. You say that B_K slipped up. I disagree. You say B_K could have said "I told you so," I don't see why...I guess to make him more believable, but since he didn't, I don't see why you can draw this conclusion...because by your post it seems like it's something he'd most likely do...(I'm not denying the second could have happened, I just don't see it holding a lot of weight...if I'm overlooking something, do tell).

That's what I can see...and those are pretty much reasons against B_K...how about shelper?

And I probably won't change my top story so if you were worried the first time that I was just going to say, "yeah, uh-huh, those were my reasons too" than go ahead and post them. If that wasn't what you were thinking, I thank you for not drawing that conclusion, because that wasn't my goal at all.

[Save The Dragons]

I think it's pretty much in the hands of massive and sligado...unless you want us to say more.

[Save The Dragons]

Now do you see why I like calling you Jose?

[Save The Dragons]

This is it...oooo...feels so epic.

vote shelper

[Save The Dragons]

*Banging head over and over and over and over and over and over for many different reasons.*

Head so hurty...

[Save The Dragons]

Oh yes of course, thanks CB! It was a great game

Yeah, that.