569 Adel's Nightmare -- Game Over!

[Guardian]

It is good to be alive!

Everything I sent through roffman was transmitted accurately.

Why the hell didn't you guys lynch QF? . The Streeflo lynch was BS.

I was allowed to make an tracking investigation N2, and I have a result. I was told in my role PM the person I tracked would be notified that I did so, so hopefully that happened, and my role will be confirmed.

My alignment didn't switch, but I can see paranoia in regards to that as reasonable. (shrug). I'm still pro-town.

vote: QuantumFruit

[Guardian]

Oh, btw, Sparky apparently was just responsible for the flavor text at the beginning of day 1 vs. the beginning of day 2. From what I can tell.

roffman, can you tell us any more?

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We have many confirmed abilities alive in this game, but no confirmed town from what I can tell.

cicero's PM seems authentic, and he brought me back to life, but who knows. He is the most alignment confirmed of the non-dead players, to me.

Steeflo, I'd be interested in seeing the PM Adel sent you when you were resurrected. If you do so, I'll reciprocate, and if you post this in the next few days and it seems authentic, that would go a bit of the way towards me being sure you are still town; I know I am, and it just seems odd for multiple town resurrection roles to be going around, and I'm worried you got a PM switching your alignment.

Now that I am alive, I owe this game a re-read; it should come within a week -- but I am *quite* busy, and a few other games must come before this one. Posting is easy for me, but re-reads where I get significant information take a great deal of time.

[Guardian]

Streeflo is still pro-town, I'm 99.9% sure.

mine:

A cruel hand reaches into the darkness and grasps your hand. With great pain and cruel anguish you are birthed into the relm of a star-studded death match between my Id and super-ego.

You are alive!

[Guardian]

Adel.. there are

seven

alive and not voting, correct?

?

[Guardian]

cicero's PM is too real to not be real. That's 3 confirmed townies (assuming you aren't paranoid that my alignment switched), and believe Streeflo as well.

I think I can break this game open by claiming my result, confirming another townie.

I want to try traditional scum hunting before we go that route, though.

I'm like 90% sure QF is (the last?) scum, though.

[Guardian]

cicero, did you target chaos omega night 1, by any chance?

[Guardian]

I'm very curious as to how ChaosOmega died night 1.

I'm fairly sure that elepants died because he targeted me and I fate-sealed with him. Here's the PM I received about that, btw:

You follow Aborted Elephant as the cute little guy gently crawls into your ear, snuggles against your brain, and goes to sleep, whispering.

You wait until he is deeply asleep.

With a running start, you leap at his throat, drilling in, burrowing, pulling yourself into his throat and down into his chest. There are fountains of blood. Something is wrong, there is too much blood, you hear the aborted elephant mewing. He is dying. He is dead. His blood stops flowing, no longer carrying oxygen. You cannot breathe. You cannot move. You are suffocating within the corpse of an aborted elephant that is snuggled against your brain.

~~~

You are now dead.

You may not stay dead, dreams have a weird reality of their own.

If you like, and can send me a messages and I might forward them to Speaker for the Dead.

I target GhostWriter .

:\

I interpret this to mean elepants targeted me, killing me, and that me being involved with him somehow killed him. Hence what I said about parasite/tracker.

However, how C_O died, if not cicero, is a conundrum. It implies another non-mafia method of potentially killing players.

I realized I don't want to rush this lynch.

unvote, HOS: QF

.

QF's claim is pseudo-plausible.

Mass claim/mass quote may be in order.

I'm going to re-read shaft.ed and roffman.

Obviously, as dead, I didn't want to say anything bad about roffman, since I figured my messages might then not be transmitted. But do we really know roffman is a survivor? He could be scum with a

great

claimable ability.

[Guardian]

DGB, you sure you want me to answer that?

[Guardian]

Did I just answer? Kind of.

[Guardian]

So DGB, do you think I should full reveal who I tracked and results?

[Guardian]

Like I said, my results go a long way towards confirming another player, at least their ability. And their ability seems really pro-town.

This also has to do with why I believe Streeflo hasn't flipped.

[Guardian]

That makes absolutely no sense to me.

DGB, you are either exhibiting extreme paranoia, or are scum.

I'm sure Streeflo and cicero are town, and know I'm town.

No way I'm going to submit to a plan that involves lynching Streeflo today.

There was mafia around *BEFORE* Streeflo died. E.g., there was mafia around yesterday. That mafia was among [cicero, DGB, roffman, shaft.ed, QF]

Let's lynch one of those players. Preferably not the first two.

[Guardian]

This also has to do with why I believe Streeflo hasn't flipped.

Well, I don't know that for a fact, and we have to know this for a fact.

His quoting was too sincere. I submit that we don't know it for a fact, but like I said, we have so many other good lynch options such that lynching Streeflo seems silly...

[Guardian]

Your last statement is exactly my point. We can never *be sure* that someone woken up is town.

However, we can use *reasoning* to figure out what is *likely*.

Respond to this:

There was mafia around *BEFORE* Streeflo died. E.g., there was mafia around yesterday. That mafia was among [cicero, DGB, roffman, shaft.ed, QF]

How is that at all bad logic? Why shouldn't we be focused on lynching one of the five players we know mafia exist among, instead of Streeflo, whose alignment was revealed to be town!?!?

We can afford lots of things, but does that make them good purchases? NO!

If we lynch someone else today, you can revive Sparky, cicero! Sparky, the one you were supposed to revive, except that I'm awesome n' shit!

And I have investigation based information that if we lynch a townie, they likely can be brought back, just like Streeflo was.

So let's focus on lynching someone in the group, one of which MUST be scum, rather than letting paranoia cause us to lynch Streeflo, who *probably is not scum*.

K?

[Guardian]

possible alignment reversal *is paranoia*.

The town *SHOULD* be massively ahead in this game. TWO mafia died night one. Either or both of those mafia might have revive someone as mafia pwoers, might block revival, might have a tripple kill, whatever.

i know I was not alignment reversed, and I find it HUGELY unlikely Streeflo was.

And you keep ignoring that one of the 5 non-me non-Streeflo palyers MUST_BE_SCUM.

We may have only 1 scum alive, and we definitely have 1 of them as scum. So why lynch Streeflo????

[Guardian]

Well, Sparky is confirmed town, and he said that his ability was crucial to the game. I, confirmed town at that time, also said that I thought reviving Sparky was, in role-terms, a much better idea than reviving me.

He said he can't fully claim or it becomes less useful.

But that he was imporant.

[Guardian]

No. No deal!!!! I know I am town now. Why would I consider consenting to being lybnced tomorrow???

Neither of you have responded to my 100% true claim that we know 1 of 5 players is scum, and have nothing but paranoia to suggest that Streeflo is scum

If ANYTHING, Streeflo being flipped scum would make me believe that the person who REVIVED Streeflo was scum.

Cicero revived me, which is different.

DGB..... Freak it, I'm full claiming my result:

I do whatever I do to DGB.

You peer through the darkness and see the soulless writer furiously writing "bloated autocrat" in my book of dreams.

I assumed DGB was a governor of sorts, who was able to save Streeflo.

But with her wanting to lynch Streeflo so badly, and THEN saying that if Streeflo is scum, I must be scum, I wonder if she KNOWS that Streeflo is scum, and is trying to set up a me mislynch tomorrow.

We SHOULD_NOT lynch Streeflo today.

We SHOULD lynch one of [DGB, roffman, shaft.ed, QF].

END OF STORY.-

[Guardian]

I want DGB to claim her role

now

, since I've already revealed the machinces.

If DGB does not full quote her role soon, I think she's reviver scum. Her play so far, asking for us to trust her... strikes me as so bad.

I'll full quote my role too, and we should continue with a mass claim.

mass claim only helps at this point, I think.

[Guardian]

And my role PM says that DGB should have been notified that I targeted her.

I want DGB to confirm this NOW, also.

[Guardian]

I think either way she's extremely misguided, and I want to derail this Streeflo wagon

NOW

.

I don't think that her being scum is as impossible as I did before she spouted this Streeflo lynch hooey. I still think it is unlikely, but not impossible.

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Consider my hypotherical: DGB is a scum role that revives players giving them a scum alignment.

Let's assume she was the only scum yesterday.

So now, there is DGB scum, and Streeflo scum.

We lynch Streeflo. He's scum. She brings him back. Still scum. You bring back Rigel.

Then, according to her, we lynch me. I show up town. She brings me back. Scum.

Ad infinitum.
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I think it is more likely that she is very confused town, but seriously, Streeflo is an absolutely horrible lynch. You STILL haven't responded to my point about there being 5 people, one of who is definitely scum, versus 2 people, neither of whom is even LIKELY scum.

Streeflo's claimed PM and communication with Adel fit in with my results PERFECTLY. I think he is very likely town. And I do think DGB is but I'm a bit paranoid because DGB's plan is completely absurd.

Cicero, I ask that you unvote immediately and address that point. I think we've *WON* the game, in that you, me, DGB, Streeflo, are all very likely town.

If I can trust anyone in this game it is you, and I'm perplexed how you've bought into this preposterous thing DGB is suggesting.

[Guardian]

Occult was scummy as anything, but shaft.ed is being extremely logical, and is from my POV a light of reason as compared to DGB and cicero.

[Guardian]

cicero, don't be bored, I appeal to emotion when I'm town, and when I'm right.

((listen))

[Guardian]

ps: awesome song. I'm in a literary club, and about a year ago, two people keyboarded and sang to that song. it was amaing.

i have it on my mp3 player.

[Guardian]

That's kind of what I was suggesting about dgb. I dont find that most likely, but possible.

[Guardian]

(shrug). If you really think cicero is a cult leader of some sorts, then make a case on how he's been scummy, and consider lynching him.

I think his play has been unambiguously pro-town, and moreover know that I haven't been changed to a cultist.

[Guardian]

DGB, we *win the game*. we have 4 pseudo confirmed townies.

your plan is idiotic.

by your logic, cicero should have 'for sure' been the NK last night.

...

I really think you are 180 degrees wrong in wanting to test the revived players. A QF and/or shaft.ed lynch will win the game.

[Guardian]

assuming you guys revive sparky*.

I think he might need to be alive for us to win.

Light == wake Adel up, or some crap.

[Guardian]

ps:

Neither of you have responded to my 100% true claim that we know 1 of 5 players is scum, and have nothing but paranoia to suggest that Streeflo is scum

[Guardian]

DGB. It is possible that neither of us are scum.

It is impossible that none of the 5, probably none of the 3, players alive, are scum.

Do you want to lynch from a group of players where it is possible there is no scum, or a group of players from which it is impossible there is no scum?

Hint: This choice is obvious.

[Guardian]

All things being equal, which of the two options would you choose?

[Guardian]

DGB, you can't be mad at me for a disagreement in game theory/town plan/lgoc, and then not discuss the disagreement in a serious manner :\.

[Guardian]

Pool 1 is at least 20% success, probably 33% if we limit it to roffman, shaft.ed, QF, probably 50% if we limit it to shaft.ed, QF, probably 100% if we limit it to QF.

Pool 2 has no guaranteed success rate.

[Guardian]

I can see where DGB is coming from, now .

I think this will be a waste of time, as the scum are definitely among shaft.ed, QF, roffman, and while it appears can afford to lynch a townie, and revive them to easy your paranoia, who knows if we really can. I think it is just as reasonable to worry that the scum have a double kill, or that we NEED sparky alive to win, or any number of things, just as it is rasonable to worry that streeflo and me are scum.

It is a waste of resources, and from my POV dumb because Streeflo is obviously town from my role based info and his quoting, and I know that I'm town, and we hsouldn't waste time and lynches, so we can confirm that cicero brings back town-townies, and DGB brings back town-townies, since through MAFIA SKILSS -- EG scumhunting, interpreting streeflo's and my role PMS, etc, we can determine that withou wasting a lynch.

Really lynching either of us is just giving into paranoia and WIFOM. What if DGB, for instance, brings back people as town the first time, then scum the second time? What if the second time anyone is revived, they are scum?

I'd rather lynch streeflo or myself than a no lynch, but I think scum hunting and lynching one of the 5 alive players is by far the best play today. by far.

[Guardian]

Also, btw:

If we lynch scum today, we can have DGB bring back sparky and cicero kill someone. if we lynch town today (e.g. me, and probably streeflo), we must use both resurrections.

[Guardian]

shat.ed... have we *seen* DGB's role PM?

[Guardian]

QF, basically, you've been unhelpful and largely used being confused as an excuse; actively lurking. You haven't really done any good scum hunting all game, nor have you contributed towards moving the game forward.

Post 88, where you're all unsure about who is town or not, seemed like scummy BS.

[Guardian]

Ah missed that1.

[Guardian]

Yeah, and QF, I think you've largely sidestepped discussion. Townies can move the game forward. You appear to haven't.

It just does, to me. You seem like you are trying to sow confusion about who's town and who isn't.

[Guardian]

Okay, so now that we have confirmed pro-town me yesterday, and we have confirmed pro-town Sparky today and yesterday, saying lynch QF, can we, please?

Also: You know at least that I'm not making it up//only scum are believing it -- Rigel gets what I'm saying about not lynching me or Streeflo.

Also: roffman, you gonna reply, like Sparky said you were?

[Guardian]

Usually I regard self-votes as a universal scumtell. Something... odd... though. .

unvote

I'm going to ponder this.

I could easily cry for blood here, since unvotes... well... are scummy... but QF's manner makes me want to think. My vote will probably be back on QF in a matter of days but... Hm!

QF, aside from yourself, who is most suspicious, and why?

[Guardian]

shaft.ed is making so much sense, and DGB and cicero continue to seem crazy to me. When I get the time, I'm going to make a similar reply, maybe it will be superflous but seriously, there are so many reasons why lynching streeflo or me is a bad idea.

This being a major point of contention makes me want to bash my face through the monitor.

With 5 roles outed, and 3 full quoted, I think we should consider a mass claim//mass quote at this point. I don't see us possibly outing anything more important than what we already have unless there is somehow a doctor in addition to everything else, and if the scum haven't claimed yet I want to force them to do so, now.

[Guardian]

Each Player probably received the same set of rules.
~~~

Role PM


Role: You are the xiao.

Win Condition: You do win if I wake up before the morning of the Eight day.

Alignment: You not prevent me from waking.

Night move: Each night you may PM me the name of one other player. You will find the hollow part of that player's neck and bite your way through to the hollow part of their chest. It is warm in there. Onlookers will see fountains of blood, and your target wil be very aware of what you are doing to her. You have the body of a large Pigeon and the head of a six month-old fetus. You will see what they see, and what happens to them also happens to you. You are a painful little parasite, you are Xiao.

Once the Night 1 deadline has expired, or I have received night moves from all players who have one, I will post an opening scene and open the game thread.

The Night 1 deadline is March 9th sometime after 0001 GMT.

click here to go to the game thread

That's the full it, aside from the rules I received, which I think we might want to make certain players claim in order.

I want Streeflo and roffman to full quote, and will wagon if necessary to ensure this happens. Order doesn't matter to me.

[Guardian]

Please explain why you guys feel keeping streetflo alive and not resolving this is so crucial to the game?

1) We know for a fact there is scum from the non-res'd players. There MAY be scum amongst Guardian and Streeflo.

2) Even if we lynch Streeflo

or Guardian

and he comes up town what does that resolve? What if DGB

/cicero

never flips. What if she only flips certain players? What if she flips every other player?

3) I find it convenient that Streeflo is the only candidate for this. I find Guardians actions more anti-town than Streeflo's as he outed the other reviver for little reason. There were many ways to explain two ressurections. Maybe we had a motivator? Maybe one of the OTHER unclaimed players revived Streeflo. Maybe roffman had reviving powers in addition to his speaking to the dead. Why is it that Streeflo is the gold standard for testing this out?

4) Why isn't it more plausible that one of the revivers is pro-scum with a awesomely claimable ability? Why is it more plausible to think townies revive flupped scum than scum revive flipped townies or scum revive normal townies?

Please explain how you would balance a game with two (two) townside resurrectors?

1) How do we know you are both town aligned?

2) Either Cold Fairy or Aborted Elephant or both could have been scum aligned ressurectors that died N0.

3) Either you or DGB could flip with a % chance or on a period. Neither of these would be resolved by lynching Streeflo.

4) Maybe each player has an inherent cycle. Adel may have mapped out what each of our alignments would be if revived on a given day. Again not resolved with a Streeflo lynch.

5) Maybe other factos balance it out, such that we need to pro-town resurrectors. Maybe we need Sparky alive to win (seems very plausible to me, as I've explained earlier). Maybe the scum have 2 day vigs that they are saving up. Maybe there were 4 scum, not 3. You're trying to outguess Adel. That's retarded. Adel, there's the sig quote you've been waiting for

bold=agree strongly, green=new/me. strike = not a valid point/doesn't matter.

I think that not lynching me or Streeflo is obvious.

[Guardian]

Cicero, DrippingGoofball - I understand thinking there's some weird mechanic going on for scum because we seem to have a ridiculous advantage, but why do you think it's a alignment flip specifically?

Because I cannot fathom any other possibility.

You're trying to outguess Adel. That's retarded.

[Guardian]

Excuse me for wanting to make sure that townies are being brought back from the dead. That's a huge advantage. If alignments flip, it becomes a huge advantage for the scum.

3) Either you or DGB could flip with a % chance or on a period. Neither of these would be resolved by lynching Streeflo.
4) Maybe each player has an inherent cycle. Adel may have mapped out what each of our alignments would be if revived on a given day. Again not resolved with a Streeflo lynch.

[Guardian]

I'm mildly ok with this, except that I am still pondering QF.

Assuming lynch Streeflo:

Streeflo town, --> DGB revives Sparky, you kill QF (or Occult.ed).
Streeflo scum, --> you revive Sparky.

I think Sparky is more important than many are allowing for.

[Guardian]

The thing is, if you lynch Streeflo, and he is town, which I think by far is most likely, you'll want to lynch me then.

This is such a monumental waste of effort.

If you lynch me first, then you'll want to lynch Streeflo -- and if you lynch me, you can't have DGB revive me, cuz then you'll think maybe DGB revives people as scum.

This plan is just a waste of available resources. Let's lynch one of the 5.

[Guardian]

See that's the thing, if you revive scum, you don't know what to do, except to do nothing.

If cicero revived me as scum, what's to say DGB reviving me would flip me back?
What's to say cicero would?

There are too many things we just don't know:

HOWEVER, by looking at me and Streeflo's play, and... SCUM HUNTING... in MAFIA... I think it LOOKS by far most likely that Streeflo and I are TOWN -- and we should lynch the 5 by logic ANYWAYS...

[Guardian]

Well, I investigated DGB, and all she did was revive.

Cicero resurrected me-town, so I'm fairly certain he's town as well.

Streeflo posted what seemed very innocent to me, so I think he's town.

roffman's survivor role seems plausible, too.

Really, QF seems like *the* lynch, with shaft.ed being next.

[Guardian]

I owe this game a re-read. Within a week?

[Guardian]

Yeah. Which, again, makes me want to lynch shaft.ed or QF.

I'm going to re-read shaft.ed, I know he in general is amazing in blending in as scum; and if there are just 3 scum, there's no one for there to be interactions with him for .

[Guardian]

I knew cicero would come around.

*huggle*

shaft.ed or QF it is, and QF asking to be lynched looked so town. Usually that's a huge scum-tell for me, but everything is situational, and here it made sense.

vote: shaft.ed

Cicero summed it up basically. I never got to that re-read, but I agree that the choice is between shaft.ed and QF, and I don't see making the decision of QF.

I highly support cicero and/or DGB ressurrectng Sparky tonight. I'd rather cicero, since I know first hand that he resurrects townies as townies, but cicero, if you don't want to res., how about you vig someone (QF:P?), and DGB res.'s Sparky? It seems unlikely QF resurrects townies as scum, and Sparky seems important .

[Guardian]

should read "DGB" not "QF" in the last sentence.

[Guardian]

shaft.ed, my argument for you being scum is process of elimination.

to argue against it, you'll need to convince me that QF (most possible of convincing me), Streeflo, roffman, DGB, or cicero is a better lynch.

[Guardian]

Oh, it was basically one long post I slightly re-worded and tried to send a few times with few arguments about how QF was scum for active lurking, how she basically wasn't doing anything.

I also expressed some agreement with suspicion of Occult, but said that in comparison QF was more suspicious at that time.

[Guardian]

cicero, for obvious reasons, it would be beneficial to me (and thus the town) if you let me know if you are killing tonight and if so who, before I make my night choice.

[Guardian]

Read my role; if you have any better description for it than fate sealer, let me know.

[Guardian]

I find cicero very unlikely to be scum. I think shaft.ed is playing really well as scum. Occult is still active on the site. I think Occult replaced out because he was the last scum and quite fucked.

shaft.ed playing really well doesn't make him not-scum.

[Guardian]

If cicero is town, and I am dead by tomorrow, you all had *better* lynch shaft.ed.

[Guardian]

How do you explain that he also has a vig capability? If he vigilantes and scum kills in the same night... he's cleared, no?

Or do you think that scum have a role that can double vig?

[Guardian]

I thought Shaft.ed would explode if he used them, and he hadn't said he would use it. If Shaft.ed is willing to use his ability tonight on someone, then we could lynch QF, have cicero vig shaft.ed, and shaft.ed vig cicero, and DGB bring back Sparky.

If we haven't won by tomorrow morning with all that in place, we lynch roffman.

I'm like 99% sure that would result in a town victory. Any agreement?

[Guardian]

At the time he was replaced, he was active.

But, if that is the story, then that's different.

[Guardian]

I'm totally fine with going along with a plan that ends in my death and a town win.

Do you think my plan is such a plan?

We make it happen?

[Guardian]

shaf.ted: my plan allows for either you or cicero targeting someone else, so long as DGB revives Sparky. let's assume they target me for death:

alive now:

shaft.ed
cicero
DGB
me
QF
Streeflo
roffman

alive after lynch qf:

shaft.ed
cicero
DGB
me
Streeflo
roffman

Alive after shaft.ed and cicero cross-kill, even if one of them defects and kills me, and DGB revives Sparky:

DGB
Streeflo
roffman
Sparky

Lynch roffman, DGB, Streeflo, Sparky, likely town win imo. Even if somehow not, DGB can revive.

Eh?

[Guardian]

Until school's out (Early May), expect my dedication to mafiascum to suffer, perhaps greatly. Then I'll have little access at all for a week. Then I'll be back in full swing. I'm posting this notice in all games I'm playing; sorry if my activity suffers.

[Guardian]

I've begun to rethink that myself. basically what I like is that my plan covers all the bases: we win if you're scum, if cicero is scum, if qf is scum, if roffman is scum, almost every scenario.

but cicero may be scumz enough to lynch him. :HM:.

[Guardian]

Okay, yeah, from the above back and forth I definitely want both shaft.ed and cicero dead, with a side of QF.

QF's lurking ain't helping.

DGB, pretty please, resurrect Sparky, I have a firm conviction that it is important.

Tomorrow, if one of cicero, shaft.ed, QF, is not dead, lynch them. This is 100% true, and accurate, and should be done, and if I'm dead and you guys don't do it, I'll be quite annoyed with you.

If they are all dead, and Sparky is alive, and we haven't won, lynch roffman.

unvote

(if voting)

vote: QF

Let's do it.

[Guardian]

DGB, if we lynch cicero, will you resurrect Sparky, and support lynching my choice of shaft.ed/QF tomorrow?

Under those conditions I would *consider* supporting a cicero lynch.

[Guardian]

We have 1 week.

[Guardian]

Streeflo, vote QF. u know im rite.

Know why? Cuz why the hell does roffman care who's lynched? I think he doesnt like the prospect of being owned tomorrow.

Plus, qf cud be scum. plus lots of other shite. QF, even if u read this, dont vote cicero. cicero vig'ing shaft.ed tonight is better than u living.

someone plz hammer QF. it is the way of righteousness.

[Guardian]

Streeflow, vote for QF, before QF comes back and unvotes himself. i know trust is hard to come by in mafia but srsly, you'll thank me so much. .

[Guardian]

FoS shaft.ed for FoS'ing me. OMGUS.

[Guardian]

He thinks lynching you first will get there 'faster'

my plan has the significant difference of being 'better'

when cicero turns up town, plz lynch shaft.ed tomorrow. thx!

[Guardian]

I want to lynch QF, since he has the, you know, chance of being scum.

But whatever, I think Ste'flo's the last scummah, and we'll get him eventulie.

[Guardian]

meant to type shaft.eddddddddddddd

[Guardian]

for clarity: from my pov strefloos obv obv town i dont buy that dgb is some kind of cult dead recruiter bullshit

[Guardian]

dgb what do you think about qf?

[Guardian]

weak, cicero. really fuckin weak.

[Guardian]

weak, cicero. really fuckin weak.

QFT

says the one pushing for his lynch.

seriously, shaft.ed's the scum guys. plz lynch tomorrow, i've been right about the whole game, and no one's listened.

if I die tonight, my alignment will be confirmed as town twice -- plz plz plz in that case lynch shaft.ed.

[Guardian]

and dgb -- bring back sparky. this is extremely likely to produce positive results.

[Guardian]

You dive into Hamas Rabbit's mouth, make a nest in his chest, and drill a hole through his ribs for air. Out of boredom you peer through that hole and see the crazy rabbit beat the Soulless Writer to death with a large illustrated copy of the Koran. That crazy rabbit!

shaft.ed killed DGB. He didn't die. He's fSKING scum, and I've been saying so for pAGES.

Now, for the love of god, can we PLEASE lynch shaft.ed?

HINT: ONCE WE DO WE WIN.

vote: shaft.ed

[Guardian]

cicero: after we lynch shaft.ed, if the game doesn't end, you're resurrecting DGB.

However, the game *WILL END* at that point. Cuz shaft.ed is scum, because he lied about his role. He killed DGB, and didn't die from doing so.

[Guardian]

Just to confirm, shaft.ed: you claim you didn't kill DGB last night, that I am lying somehow?

[Guardian]

But not me? I killed scum N0, came back from the grave and told us to lynch one of shaft.ed/QF, and then tracked shaft.ed to the killer?

lol nah shaft.ed played really well as scum in a hopeless situation here. nice try mate.

[Guardian]

PS: cicero, obvobv great resurrection choice

[Guardian]

cicero, imo revive dgb, if we go to night. sparky *may* be important. a perpetual reviving cycle is more important.

so: if the game is not over, revive dgb. assuming no NK, we then no lynch, and dgb or you revives sparky. if by then we have still not won, we plan from that scenario, where we have both pro-town revivers and sparky alive.

[Guardian]

streeflo

remember to let him know I said hi.

you drill a hole through the back of his skull and watch the world through his eyes for the remainder of the night. The bloated autocrat sits in his lair counting his money.

[Guardian]

Streeflo; confirm that I targeted you.

With no NK, we are coming down the home stretch.

My personal opinion: we no lynch, and have cicero revive Sparky, DGB revive Porochaz.

If we don't win at dawn tomorrow, we consider where to go from there.

But having 8 original non-scum (theoretically) alive AND 3 original scum dead seems like a great start towards waking Adel up.

---

If it doesn't, I'm wondering if we have to do crazy shit to wake Adel up, like having cicero "revive" Adel, or me target her and boring a hole through her skull.

But for now, I think the play is no lynch, cicero grab Sparky, DGB grab porochaz.

Good idea?

btw: I'm assuming QF & Streeflo took no night actions with that night speed. Probably should have targeted roffman in retrospect. Whatever, I'm fairly sure we have no scum left.

DGB: Welcome back, I'm sad you didn't listen to me, you silly watermellon, but it seems to have worked out anways .

[Guardian]

dgb --> sparky
cicero --> prozac
me --> unimportant


should be no other night actions.
if prozac gets to do some night action, he can target me to confirm what I do, I guess.

vote: no lynch

[Guardian]

i target roffman.

from your nest next to his prostate you observe him sitting by himself muttering.

Roffman claims to be a survivior, and if he is, it would really be kind of dick to lynch him and prevent him from winning.

However, we don't have his best interests in mind in the slightest, and his win condition

Win Condition: You win when the chance to dream the nightmare is not lost

Is kinda suspicious. He wins when the chance to dream the nightmare isn't lost... To me that sounds really close to "roffman wins so long as Adel keeps dreaming the nightmare"

And uh, that's exactly what we don't want.

My projection: lynch roffman, have cicero revive sparky. This assumes DGB tried to revive Sparky.

DGB, I assume you tried to revive Sparky and it failed, yes? Any idea why? If that's the case, I'd say we give cicero a shot at reviving Sparky.

Porochaz, u get a night action? If so, what'dja do?

FOS: roffman

[Guardian]

Sigh.

So do we no lynch again and have DGB try and get that night choice in?

I don't want to dick over roffman unnecessarily, but we're coming up on the near-deadline phase.

I'm annoyed with Adel (more) and DGB (less) that the resurrect didn't happen.

[Guardian]

In my eyes, roffman's just trying desperately not to get lynched. I don't blame him.

I say we give him today;

We follow DGB's plan -- we no lynch with DGB hammering, and then DGB revives Sparky. If we haven't won by the morning, we lynch roffman.

vote: no lynch

[Guardian]

ps: I don't see the harm in cicero killing a townie he finds most suspicious; QF for instance. just ftr.

[Guardian]

Well damn, we still haven't won.

the dead now include

: Aborted Elephant (Ghostwriter),

Sparky (Rigel)

, Cold Fairy (ChaosOmega), Hamas Rabbit (shaft.ed)

???

I watch porochaz

you and Dark Child chase each other around in circles for the entire night

I assume Porochaz also targeted me to track me. That's amusing.

With Sparky alive and us not having won, I want to lynch roffman and have cicero vig QF. Sorry roffman, but you're clearly not a town member. We only have a few game days to get Adel woken up...

Maybe we only win if Sparky is the only one alive. I'm kind of annoyed with this game at this point; in mafia, when you lynch all the mafia, you win...

vote: roffman

[Guardian]

At night, I want:

DGB to target Adel.
Me to target Adel.
Porochaz to target Adel.
cicero to target Streeflo (who knows, maybe DGB does revive townies as scum, we've never proved otherwise...).
QF nothing.
Streeflo nothing.
Sparky nothing.

unvote

Since we have two game days left to win this thing (still very annoyed about QF not getting to revive Sparky 1 night earlier), I want us to discuss the game moving forward. I don't want us to grab defeat from the jaws of victory here.

[Guardian]

GAH, if DGB does revive townies as scum, then cicero Sparky and Streeflo would be scum. Note how cicero specifically wanted DGB to revive Sparky, not for cicero to revive Sparky.

Maybe we should lynch Streeflo today and have cicero target roffman. Hell, maybe we should lynch cicero today, if he is now a cult-vig/resurrector, and we let him live to the night, we're kinda hosed. Meh but then again, if DGB revives townies as scum, we're kinda hosed no matter what we do...

[Guardian]

Is there something we have to do to win besides kill all the scum (and have Sparky alive)?

[Guardian]

Any chance of confirming or denying the presence of a cult in this game?

[Guardian]

Gah. If cicero Sparky Streeflo are now "resurrected by DGB" cult, we can't win anyways.

We have 2 days to lynch 3 people in that scenario. Fracking night 4 deadline...

[Guardian]

Yeah, whatever, my money is on roffman for preventing Adel from waking. If a day didn't get stolen from us, I'd have suggested lynching cicero today to test if DGB is a townie who revives people as cult, but that is fruitless with 3 would-be cultists and 2 days to lynch them.

vote: Roffman

[Guardian]

^un-NK-able-without-a-kill-survivor-SK?

[Guardian]

ciceo, be sure to

target

kill QF tonight.

g'day.

1 more vote hammers.

[Guardian]

dgb; if roffman is even right about his alignment, still dont res him. he aint town.

[Guardian]

unvote

if that is the case.

we can prevent a win by cicero, porochaz, rigel "res'd by dgb cult" if one exists, by lynching cicero today.

if he doesn't show up scum, dgb revives, we lynch roffman, kill qf, etc.

so we'll see what happens.

[Guardian]

Fine by me Adel.

@Guardian - I'm still not in a cult. The question is: are you. I'm the death god after all and gods make cults.

great point.

we lynch you, if you arent cult dgb revives you, then we lynch me.

we have 3 days to play with, if we do that, we can guarantee a win even if you are cult, or if I am cult.

PLAN:
lynch cicero.

dgb revives cicero if he's town.
if not, lynch others revived by dgb.

lynch me

dgb revives me if I'm town
if not, lynch others revived by cicero

lynch roffman

kill qf.

win.

vote: cicero

[Guardian]

No. If we lynch someone for cult testing, Guardian, I'd say it is you first. I've done my altruistic lynching. Otherwise let's stick with the Roffman plan. Is there a rationale for your order of operations? Why not you first? Why not Roffman and QF first? This is what I'm not getting.

Only 2 revived by you.
3 by dgb.

so if you and your kind are cult, we need to lynch 3 in a row to win.

if me and my kind are cult, we need only lynch 2 in a row to win.

3 days left, so your kind goes first.

you go first of your kind since you can NK.

get it?

[Guardian]

Yep, you revived cicero... could it be possible that you are reviving folk and turning them into cult without you knowing... you have to admit it could be a possibility and its worth exploring before we go ahead and lynch roffman/QF

this.

[Guardian]

no -- which is the point, really.

[Guardian]

we need 2/3 of qf's dgb's and rigel's votes to make this happen.

go.go.go.

[Guardian]

OK... I'm switching to cicero in a bit.

very reasonable DGB. Thank you for understanding the logic behind my proposal.

[Guardian]

ok

unvote vote: roffman

kill qf tonight. if that doesnt win, u can test me by lynch tomorrow if you need or whatever.

everyone remember to send in their choice, or their decision of 'no choice'.

[Guardian]

oh I thought I hammered, lol.

[Guardian]

QuantumFruit, DrippingGoofball, streeflo, cicero, porochaz, and guardian

have all voted roffman.

he's deader than dead.

[Guardian]

me too.

plz be scumz roffmans.

if we all get our choices in quickly, night ends super quick though.

[Guardian]

Streeflo cicero rigel cult is all that makes sense at this point.

y'all should have listened to me.

if that isn't it, I have no flipping idea.

I'm not in a cult, if you want to test that go for it, but when its revealed that I'm not in a cult, what do we do?

PS:
cicero killed TT last night .

what the hell is going on...

[Guardian]

hasn't cicero resurrected 3 times?

If you vote me and don't win, DGB, plz res me so I can get the cult win of the DGB cult that you wouldn't listen to me about

[Guardian]

and yes obv we agreed that cicero would kill, i was confirming it

[Guardian]

the thing is cicero, if we are cult, there's 3 of us.

no way are we going to lynch "one of our own" if there is cult. there would be no lynch if we assume cult mentality; either would be cult could force a no lynch.

we can no longer prevent win-by-cult, it seems.

we have to figure out how else we can possibly not have won yet, having lynched 4 anti-town members, without a cult.

and cicero, wtf, you were so NOT ready to consider cults yesterday; now they're priortity #1 ?

[Guardian]

well, you are a god who isnt to be trusted.

what if YOUR role is modal such that if/when you are RES'd you become a SK?

Has cicero RES'd anyone since being RES'd?

Cicero - RES'd SK ne1?

[Guardian]

dude, whatver.

lynch me if you want. lynch dgb.

we're not cult.

we, as a town, need to think beyond there being a cult and figure out what to do.

is there anyone alive who hasn't been res'd?

[Guardian]

who did you target night 0?

any other targets?

[Guardian]

Did you get any results when you targeted roffman?

[Guardian]

my plan would be to get as many people dead as possible, including myself if you like.

lynch someone, have all power roles use power except res'ers, lynch cicero, see if we win.

cicero's strong hesitancy to be lynched is the scumz.

I want us to end day 8 with like 2 people alive.

[Guardian]

I think sparky dies when he uses his ability.

I think porochaz and me can confirm what others are doing.

How would any of those not come into play?

[Guardian]

That's fine with me.

I don't want any more reviving.

I think there's a non-trivial chance that either DGB or cicero flip when resurrected.

I think that might be the game balancing mechanic.

vote: DGB

cicero kill Streeflo tonight, and Rigel use ability, and we should have 3 people alive in the morning.

If we haven't won, I'm betting cicero's alignment was flipped.

But hopefully, hopefully, we'll have won.

[Guardian]

I think cicero's scum, cuz he's anubis, and anubis is evil, and if anubis were brought back to life, he'd be evil and kill shit.

that's my simpleminded explanation of what's up.

[Guardian]

Wake Up: Adel

[Guardian]

Wake Up: Adel

Wake Up: Adel

Wake Up: Adel

Wake Up: Adel

[Guardian]

streeflo, you need to 'waste' a corrupt vote, or you're gonna be lynched.

[Guardian]

Good reason for lynching you: you've claimed a provable power that you have not demonstrated & have furthermore refused to demonstrate it.

?

[Guardian]

I dont see any good reasons to lynch anyone, aside from my gut instinct that cicero revived as scum.

do you see any good reasons streeflo?

[Guardian]

okay, so we had streeflo prove his power, and its legit.

I want to lynch cicero.

vote: cicero

[Guardian]

I'm not possibly scum.

I don't want to stop it.

Shaft.ed didn't do anything scummy and he was scum.

my gut tells me that this hail mary might work.


POSTING

IN

CAPS

DOES

NOTHING

Stop it.

[Guardian]

Hey guys: ciceros Anubis.



Does'nt that guy look like he'd come back as evil if he were resurrected? Yeah, he does.

[Guardian]

ciceros tone & rolename & role quote.

its not 'out of the blue'

there are very few things that are beneath me cicero. sayin something is beneath me is kinda ad hom...

[Guardian]

Role PM


Role: You are anubis.

Win Condition: You do win if I wake up before the morning of the Eight day.

Alignment: You not prevent me from waking.

Night move: Each night you may PM me the name of a target player. If that player is dead, you may be able to bring them back to life. If another player sees you it will probably look to them like you are trying to suck your target's soul out through their breath. If your target is actually alive you may actually accidentally suck their soul out, leaving them extinguished and dead. Other players will naturally fear and loath you -- they will not understand you --you are Anubis.

Once the Night 1 deadline has expired, or I have received night moves from all players who have one, I will post an opening scene and open the game thread.

MOD NOTE: If dies and is revived, keeps all abilities but becomes a Serial Killer

Does that Mod note not make sense with his role? It really does to me. There are no good leads at the moment. This seems like the best to me. Sure, we can lynch Streeflo first, but I'm thinking cicero might be an alignment flipper scum.

ALSO: note how he self hammered. Did he know he'd become an SK upon revival? Maybe he wanted to 'come back'?

[Guardian]

"There's nothing scummy about my tone."
Forgive me for not thinking you're unbiased here.

"My rolename and role quote havent changed."
Forgive me for not thinking you're unbiased here.

"And you are completely ignoring what I say. Something is up with you."
That's untrue. LAL?

"Actually
Unvote. Vote Guardian"
This is little more than OMGUS. I find it interesting how hastily you abandon your case on Streeflo.

In your case against him you say "Sometimes you can just feel the scum."

But me saying I have a feeling you are scum is... oh, scummy. Because.. it is you, huh cicero?

You're OMGUSing, being hypocritical, and suspicious.

[Guardian]

vote: cicero

Last week of final exams; I'm not allowing myself to check the site from now until I am done with this semester's work. 1 week. I shouldn't be missed...

[Guardian]

poro's ability is confirmed to me -- i watched him he watched me and we just chased each other.

streeflo just proved his

cicero has proved his

dgb hers

mine to every person i targeted, which is lots of people, including dead and live ones.

sparky had better use ability tonight -- PORO, target sparky, and make sure he targets someone.

really its just coinflips for me at this point.
cicero being scum makes sense via flavor, thats the best ive got.

the case on streeflo seems marginal.

maybe ill re-read after finals. pc

[Guardian]

It doesnt matter that everyone knows, they're different!

[Guardian]

go for it. then what?

[Guardian]

we need to figure out something to do.

I'm at lynch -1, cuz of the corruption.

I think lynching streeflo, cicero vigs me, sparky suicides, then lynch cicero is a great plan.


lynch streeflo, cicero vigs dgb, sparky suicides, lynch cicero, is even better.

*if sparky fails to use ability, lynch sparky.

No idea how to improve on that.

vote: streeflo

cicero unvote me before streeflo corruptly hammers unless you want that.

[Guardian]

Jester, who'd you target???

Streeflo's insistence that he wasn't scum is disturbing.

I PM'd the mod asking if I prevented her from waking, and got no response.

I suggest you all do the same and see if you get anything different.

It is possible that Streeflo being revived made it such that his *WINNING CONDITION* remained the same, but that his *PREVENT ADEL FROM WAKING* status flipped, to mean he had to be dead to fulfill his win condition.

DGB revived him; I think it is possible that we are all townies, but whomever was revived by DGB prevents Adel from waking, without their knowing it.

That's what makes the most sense to me right now.

[Guardian]

oh, nevermind.

Do I prevent you from waking?

sorry that I missed this PM. You do not prevent me from waking.

[Guardian]

who prevents Adel from waking!!

[Guardian]

Wait -- STILL ask. Maybe you will be told you DO prevent Adel from waking, even though you wouldn't THINK you prevented her from waking, e.g. your goal is to wake her up, but somehow you got mutilated into preventing her from waking!

[Guardian]

reveal order that makes sense to me:

who jester targeted, and any results.
who poro targeted, and any results.
who I targeted, and any results.

I say this because the PM I got with my results was really odd.

[Guardian]

Well cicero, if you are town, we lynch someone, you kill someone else, we win.

Guys, is cicero town? I lean yes, ever so slightly.

[Guardian]

Well, you see, I am not scum.

So that plan is bad.

Try again, you've got time.

[Guardian]

cicero, remember when I was dead, and you was like, let's bring Guardian back, cuz he's towns?

you reached into my soul and yanked it through my mouth and put it back inside my body, and made me live and breath again, with my dead child head face and weird-ass wings. remember the good times cicero? Nothing's changed buddy. I'm still the same loveable Xiao. I'm still here for you.

Why would you consider to kill me?

[Guardian]

well if poro is town and cicero is town, then obv. jester is scum.

amirite?

[Guardian]

you shouldn't duh ;P.

but this assumes that you aren't scum.

it'd be so weird if all game the scum (apparently) had only the night 1 NK .

O.o

[Guardian]

cicero, i ONLY need to look at you.

if you are town, I advocate lynching someone else, and you viging the other.

if you are scum, I advocate lynching you.

no need to waste my energiez.

[Guardian]

so cicero, don't vig me. easy.

[Guardian]

See my sig.

I'll try to finish out this game, as it is quite near the end. Don't be disturbed if I am absent for a while, though.

If cicero is scum, I honestly don't mind him winning, I like him, and it's been fun.

Ask Adel to prod me when it is my time to claim, if needed. I am town.

vote: the jester

[Guardian]

jester, who'd you target?

I'm lurking to victory... if cicero's town and realizes I am...

[Guardian]

oh, nevermind.

Do I prevent you from waking?

sorry that I missed this PM. You do not prevent me from waking.

why would you killed me?

whatevs cicero. you're smart enough that if you're town you'll make 'ze good choice.

[Guardian]

Well cicero, what do you wish for me to say?

I've been consistently town all game.

I helped lynch shaft.ed

Streeflo tried to lynch me yesterday.

What more do you want?

[Guardian]

does anyone thing cicero is scum? just if you see something mention it. I don't. his quote is easily fakeable, but whatever. I'd like cicero to win this game, and I *think* his alignment is town, but if not I'm not as troubled as I should be.

And I know that the above probably will set off an alarm bell somewhere. Oh well.

jester never really fully claimed *WHO he TARGETED* that I can make out... :\

jester needs to make a post where he's like

"I targeted X. This is the PM I got."

Then Poro does that. THen me.

cicero, hows that re-read going? if you mistakenly think I'm scum I'll need to convince you otherwise .

[Guardian]

the results of your investigation are recorded in the opening scene for this day.

I targeted cicero... I guess you illuminated him a LOT.

cicero's not posting is supicious.

unvote vote: Porochaz

poro has been slightly more suspect as of late than jester.

[Guardian]

cicero... alignment before resurrection doesn't matter.

all four of us died and were revealed as town.

'accounting for how someone was killed'... doesn't make any sense at all.

Why did you ask me to explain how someone was killed?

[Guardian]

didn't i share the PM of how I died?

I didn't start the game dead, I got a n1 result, remember?

saying I 'started the game dead' and basing your decision off that is bullshit. I'm just as likely killed by scum as porochaz.

if you are town and vig me over porochaz, oh man cicero... oh man.......

[Guardian]

You follow Aborted Elephant as the cute little guy gently crawls into your ear, snuggles against your brain, and goes to sleep, whispering.

You wait until he is deeply asleep.

With a running start, you leap at his throat, drilling in, burrowing, pulling yourself into his throat and down into his chest. There are fountains of blood. Something is wrong, there is too much blood, you hear the aborted elephant mewing. He is dying. He is dead. His blood stops flowing, no longer carrying oxygen. You cannot breathe. You cannot move. You are suffocating within the corpse of an aborted elephant that is snuggled against your brain.

~~~

You are now dead.

You may not stay dead, dreams have a weird reality of their own.

If you like, and can send me a messages and I might forward them to Speaker for the Dead.

fuck it.

I target GhostWriter .

:\

started the game dead... where are you coming from???

[Guardian]

13. Each vote count will contain the "¬" character next to the name of the player who will die if no votes are changed before the deadline. The "¬" character will remain on the same player until another player has more votes.

No lynch is impossible. I support a prozac lynch over a jester lynch. I think prozac is the last scum. If it came down to it I'd rather prozac and me died than Jester and me. Hence, no vote change will come from my department.

[Guardian]

And cicero, if you're going to eff up and vig me tonight should we lynch town, I ask that you vote for prozac now . Thanks.

[Guardian]

Dude, I was NK'd N1. He was NK'd mid-game.

wtf is the difference???

[Guardian]

I read your N1 on Aborted Elephant. But when day one started you were dead. That is not an equivalent position to Porochaz who died mid-game at the hands of the scum.

No, you're wrong, it is equivalent.....

How is it possibly not? How do you know he died at the hands of the scum? How do you know I didn't? My results show with pretty good certainty that I did die at the hands of the scum.

Uh.....

[Guardian]

My results show with pretty good certainty that I did die at the hands of the scum.

How do you mean? Results?

You follow Aborted Elephant as the cute little guy gently crawls into your ear, snuggles against your brain, and goes to sleep, whispering.

You wait until he is deeply asleep.

With a running start, you leap at his throat, drilling in, burrowing, pulling yourself into his throat and down into his chest. There are fountains of blood. Something is wrong, there is too much blood, you hear the aborted elephant mewing. He is dying. He is dead. His blood stops flowing, no longer carrying oxygen. You cannot breathe. You cannot move. You are suffocating within the corpse of an aborted elephant that is snuggled against your brain.

~~~

You are now dead.

You may not stay dead, dreams have a weird reality of their own.

If you like, and can send me a messages and I might forward them to Speaker for the Dead.

fuck it.

I target GhostWriter .

:\

started the game dead... where are you coming from???

The dead elepants scum snuggled against my brain and killed me Night 0. Also, cicero, what does it matter how we were killed? Both of us showed up town when were killed. What you're supposed to be worried about is what our alignment is NOW.... cicero, is your posting a thread in mafia discussion about not keeping your lies straight as scum..... is that about this game :? you're making me nervous, cuz you aren't making much sense.

[Guardian]

I have no flipping idea what the setup of the game is, and I'm not going to figure it out in the next 12 hours. I know I am town, and since you being lynched isn't practical I must assume you are town, so my only goal in this game is that you realize I am town and act appropriately.

I'm at a point where people being scum doesn't make sense to me, it is just a fact that adel said the game would end when the scum died and the game hasn't ended.

However, of Poro and Jester, I think it is more likely Poro, based on a mix of mild setup speculation (two infinitely town trackers/watchers? really??) and jester making a bit more sense recently.

Really though, assuming you are town which I do and must, I just know one of them is scum, I'm not scum, and that's that.

[Guardian]

Well, if you do, we win.

I see no benefit in allowing Porochaz more opportunity to respond and convince you wrongly, if you indeed will vig him.

unvote vote: The Jester

If this was some elaborate charade, congratulations cicero, you deserve the win and I'm OK with it ;P.

This had better be my last vote of the game, if day 9 somehow the game goes on... *shakes fist*.

[Guardian]

cicero, I want you to be 'that stupid' or whatever it takes for you to kill poro.

This is not about it being "only up to you". This is about you killing poro.

[Guardian]

I think I get the award for best n1 target ever .

I was going to do no target, but then decided that targeting the elepants would be a good idea. .

I'm happy I understood my role -- tracker + hider was a pretty good description.

lol, remember when we forced DGB to resurrect someone instead of cicero? ^_^.

So yeah I was town, unsure why anyone would ever think otherwise... ^_^.

Interesting game Adel, nicely mod-ed. I tend to like mod-ing games like this, unsure how much playing in them appeals to me. But it was well done .

roffman, I totally believed you, just, it came to a point where you had to die to test all possible scenarios.

The alignment switching was kinda messed and made the game drag on, but good game everyone .

[Guardian]

btw cicero, nice revive night one.

[Guardian]

Well if you behave "like" Guardian, you could be scum.

If you are Guardian, you can never be scum though.