Mini 2017: Encore Mafia - Now Without Cults [Endgame]

[Pine]

Checking in

[Pine]

BTW I've never rolled mafia PR

This seems a curiously-specific statement to make.

VOTE: Awoo

[Pine]

Yeah Kokichi is coming off as scum here.

[Pine]

zzzzzzzzzzz

[Pine]

Pine's posting isn't impressing me thus far.

Inclined to lean town on Wisdom though I don't really know what he looks like as scum. Ditto EP but in a very different way and probably stronger than a lean though I reserve the right to 180 here though I probably won't.

Kokichi slightly town at this point, Awoo could be scum, not a massive fan of his flip on Kokichi; it looks sort of staged for the purpose of generating content. 82 is not a good reason to townread Kokichi and it's the only post between Awoo calling Kokichi scum and town.

BNL is still strong town. Myloninja is our Designated Lynch for the day.

[Pine]

Pass

[Pine]

Pretty much, yeah. I'm skimming D1.

Also, I have been prettt much every Town PR at some point or another. I've never been a VT though. Ruh roh.

[Pine]

One, that you're willing to believe someone with a 2011 join date hasn't ever drawn VT without a shred of skepticism. Makes it seem like you aren't applying critical thought to the things you're reading here.
Two, tone. The exasperation reads forced. Again, if you're town I'd expect you to at least have the thought "maybe Pine has a decent reason to say this."
Three, it sort of presumes that Pine is town in a weird way that again doesn't really make me think you're trying to read his alignment genuinely.

That

is why I did it.

VOTE: Mutantdevle

[Pine]

Also implosion pretty hardcore Town now.

[Pine]

*GASP*

FOX BETRAYAL

Nah I'm Town fren

[Pine]

Solid votes

[Pine]

Yay! MastinaTown!

Please don't implode, okay?

VOTE: Awoo

[Pine]

*shrug* Wagon on me is a pressure tactic. I'm hard to pressure, though, so it's pretty useless. It amounts to a distraction at best, an excuse for vote-parking at worst.

[Pine]

Yay! MastinaTown!

Please don't implode, okay?

VOTE: Awoo

[Pine]

I'm here and reading. I need to reassess Awoo, but my current stance likely won't change.

[Pine]

Still want an Awoo lynch

[Pine]

Yeah, the lack of self-awareness comes off really fake.

[Pine]

Time for me to pop back in and scratch my head in wonder that Awoo isn't lynched yet.

[Pine]

Mmmkay see you all D2.

[Pine]

VOTE: pine ISO this guy for a laugh. Pushes on town the whole day, avoids the mafia. Contributes nothing.

Wow, butthurt much? I

always

usually lurk D1 because my D1 reads are usually crap.

Hint: the only people with perfect reads are the informed minority, aka scum.

[Pine]

Eh, pass. I've never found defending myself to be useful, that's not why I'm here. Refuting a specific charge, like 765, sure I'll spend a post on that, but the better defense is to just

be

Town. Refuting nonsense like implosion's push is for scum who have something to lose.

I'm still pretty sure Mutant is scum from falling into my trap early game, and I have some suspicion of Implosion for forgetting about it, but I'd like to wait for the worst to play out his guilty. He has my attention.

[Pine]

VOTE: Kokichi

Awoo, get a hobby that isn't located halfway up my ass.

[Pine]

VOTE: Implosion

Okay.

[Pine]

You know what wagon isn't terrible?

Implosion.

[Pine]

I am present and prodded.

[Pine]

Okay so my reads have been godawful this game

[Pine]

Okay, I'm trying to get back into this.

Afaict, we've got one scum remaining. No evidence of multiple killers, so standard 10:3 distribution. 10 remaining, 9:1. Assuming successful lynches and NKs, we can afford three mislynches before MYLO on D6, or a NL to LYLO on D7. We can afford to be modestly sloppy.

Spoiler: Math

D3 9:1 ML
N3 8:1 NK
D4 7:1 ML
N4 6:1 NK
D5 5:1 ML
N5 4:1 NK
D6 3:1 NL
N6 3:1 NK
D7 2:1 LYLO

[Pine]

One, that you're willing to believe someone with a 2011 join date hasn't ever drawn VT without a shred of skepticism. Makes it seem like you aren't applying critical thought to the things you're reading here.
Two, tone. The exasperation reads forced. Again, if you're town I'd expect you to at least have the thought "maybe Pine has a decent reason to say this."
Three, it sort of presumes that Pine is town in a weird way that again doesn't really make me think you're trying to read his alignment genuinely.

That

is why I did it.

VOTE: Mutantdevle

This still makes me want to vote Mutant

[Pine]

Eh I dunno. Mostly about losing track of this game and being utterly ineffective at prosecuting any of my reads. After I wrote that I remembered "Oh yeah, I was on Kokichi at one point," even if I did then deviate off towards Implosion.

[Pine]

Eh. Mutant's position and consistency on the Kokichi wagon makes me want to give him a pass after all.

I feel like analysis of the Kokichi wagon is the key here. Trying to figure out if his buddy stayed off the wagon or was late on it. Everyone early onto Kokichi who stayed on it is probably clear-ish.

Honestly that logic leads to BNL being super shady. Very early on Kokichi, then backed off of him and shopped around to Myloninja before jumping on the Implosion CW. Need to ISO him to assess reasoning. This last post trying to turn an offhand comment into suspicion is shady af too.

[Pine]

Spoiler:

Do mods no longer PM people when the game starts? I had to iso to see if this game started cause i got my role PM few days ago

Also this is probably town as they have a long wait before getting their role PM and the game actually starting. Whereas scum get pregame chat. It could be faked by scum but I'm not feeling it.

Then again,
UNVOTE: implosion
VOTE: Kokichi Oma
I liked your responses. I feel like Kokichi is falling under my radar.

It's more like I don't have a townread on you despite you having the largest post count (other than myself).

Ok. So the point of voting me over trying to engage with me is?

I could do either. Both ways are acceptable ways of trying to get a better read on you. I chose to vote you because I felt like it.

I could vote BNL

I think you clearly scumread me. Why aren't you voting me already?

@Wisdom same question

Town {Errantparabola, implosion, mutantdevle}
Nulltown {Kokichi Oma, Myloninja13}
Null {Espeonage, Pine, Wisdom, Ms Marangal, the worst}
Nullscum {Awoo}
Not including mastina on this list because I think lynching her today is not a good idea.

Too many unreadable people for my liking. Come on, lurkers!

UNVOTE: Kokichi Oma
VOTE: Awoo

Why intent to hammer but after he's off L-1 you didn't vote him?

Cause I thought the worst would revote then I fell asleep

I gladly would for asking questions that have obvious answers

Tell me how the answer to that question was obvious?

UNVOTE: Myloninja
VOTE: Kokichi Oma
That intent to hammer was super awkward. Also he has been throwing shade everywhere without giving any townreads.

If it comes down to it, I think I'm more inclined to vote Awoo than Espeonage. I'm reading them as leaning scum from their posts, but the quickwagon on Esp worries me. If someone can talk me out of quickwagon arguments I can vote there too. However, I believe 4 days is still sufficient time to build a wagon.

Actually sure
UNVOTE: Kokichi Oma
VOTE: Awoo

I think Awoo is just trolling you guys now. I think it's town and I was wrong earlier. :/

You are going to have to do some explaining here because I don’t see what you mean by trolling.

I'm too tired to make in depth thoughts right now, but I'll leave this here:

I liked Awoo's 602 which shows willingness to cooperate with town, and I want to see Awoo's updated reads to make a conclusion of him.

I am pretty terrified of flashwagoning at this stage of the game. If we are creating extra wagons I'd prefer Kokichi Oma, but I also support a Wisdom wagon as I do not townread him.

I still want to lynch Awoo.

But at this point I'm really tempted to flashwagon someone like Kokichi or Mylo.

It's like because the game is so near deadline but the game is stalled it could be an indication that all major wagons are on town.
My preferred is Kokichi, or Mylo for him responding to his name but not actually doing anything.

^Thats L-1

I like this lynch but please don't hammer without intent because I can't change my target after the lynch

Good job Kokichi

I'm not scumreading implosion at all

VOTE: Kokichi Oma

All his talking about hammering Espeonage feels like a grab for towncred, considering how little he has talked about Esp.

Kokichi please claim

UNVOTE: Kokichi

Ok so I thought about this but I believe there is no disadvantage by saying this:

I am targeting Kokichi. Don't lynch him today, then I will kill him tonight and,

-If he's scum, good
-If he's town, he can kill someone else

Can you PM and ask? I don't think a vig shot works with my role just lynching.

What do you mean just lynching?

VOTE: Kokichi

Awoo, get a hobby that isn't located halfway up my ass.

I have already said that I am going to vig Kokichi tonight and I cannot change my shot so please unvote.

Pine is town because I've realised what has been going on.

With Kokichi and Pine out, you and Mylo are my strongest scumreads.

Scumread on implosion is based on Wisdom death and EOD wagons.

we should probably just like lynch the scum

But I can’t shoot anyone other than Kokichi.

Hmmmmm, I'm not sure if I super buy the convenience of that, but you'd have a hard time explaining a failed vig of Kokichi, so I don't think you'd make the claim as scum.

Okay, BNL gets a pass.

Spoilered by request -Mod

[Pine]

Ah fuck me. Sorry, I was half way through collecting quotes to spoiler into my analysis on BNL/Kokichi, and I thought they had cleared.

@Mod: Please delete or spoiler all those quotes, they weren't intentional

[Pine]

Awoo

BulletNLynchproof

Errantparabola
implosion
mastina

mutantdevle

Ms Marangal
Myloninja13

Pine

the worst NicoRobin Srceenplay

I was going to give Imp a pass for being a serious CW to Kokichi, but the guilty/vig information changes those circumstances.

It seems I've missed more claims than I thought. BNL, can you enlighten me?

[Pine]

Mostly lazy sheeping, didn't like some of the bad pushes he was making. I'm ambivalent towards him now, though my early TR and the fact that he was the Kokichi CW makes him probably Town.

I should really look closer at EP and mastina.

[Pine]

Mastina

Who should I vote for?

[Pine]

Whoa hey, fuck off of me. Barking up the wrong tree there.

I am camping with my family and have had cell data problems (now resolved with a new SIM card.) I'll be back with real content tomorrow, but this push on me is some kick-him-when-he's-down bullshit.

Skimming, I find tw's vote to be most suspicious. He knows me well enough to know this isn't my scum meta, and doesn't really have any good reasons otherwise.

[Pine]

I've no qualms about hammering other than just waiting for Gamma to get into the game and a claim.

Case and point for implosion being scum, right here.

This is a perfectly fine and relatable post actually

Whoa hey, fuck off of me. Barking up the wrong tree there.

I am camping with my family and have had cell data problems (now resolved with a new SIM card.) I'll be back with real content tomorrow, but this push on me is some kick-him-when-he's-down bullshit.

Skimming, I find tw's vote to be most suspicious. He knows me well enough to know this isn't my scum meta, and doesn't really have any good reasons otherwise.

TW the guy who claimed a guilty on Kokichi yesterday?

*twitch* I genuinely forgot about that.

This is why skimming hurriedly to provide content post-prod is a bad idea.

[Pine]

Sure

VOTE: GammaVOTE:

L-1

[Pine]

Sure

VOTE: GammaVOTE:

L-1

VOTE: Gamma

L-1 for realz

that's why I keep asking for Pine's take on mastina but he doesn't talk to me anymore :'<

I'm having a hard time reading mastina. That usually means she's scum.

I'm down for wagoning her.

[Pine]

omfg

VOTE: Gamma

What is with my stupid fat fingers today.

PEdit Eh mostly

[Pine]

Pine are you still scumreading Awoo?

Pine are you still scumreading Awoo?

Pine are you still scumreading Awoo?

Pinoo are you still scumreading Awe?

Nah

Counterwagon to Espe scumlynch, not feeling scum!Awoo anymore.

[Pine]

I could go for a mastina lynch, but I want to follow this Gamma thread

[Pine]

Okay, Mastina is Town.

I will fight anyone who disagrees.

[Pine]

Mastina so your Pine townread is that Espeonage and Kokichi don’t seem to have been coached by scum!Pune right?

I don't think scumastina makes those inferences, and certainly doesn't share them.

[Pine]

Don't bother

VOTE: Gamma

Hammer time!

[Pine]

Dude, you dragged your feet for three days following a claim demand, until there was one day left, then claimed VT. What did you expect?

"Gee, I dunno, I think he's scum, but he's claimed to be expendable. Let's hazard an EOD flashwagon for no fucking reason."

Hammer is righteous.

[Pine]

Awoo obviously thinks there are no VTs. He is wrong.

[Pine]

Awoo obviously thinks there are no VTs. He is wrong.

ah
wouldn't it be my fucking luck if I was the only VT in a rolemadness a second time and I got lynched for that exact reason this time

I think that I am VT and that mylo is VT

Wait
Did Pine ever claim, I recall him claiming VT
and like you're softing PR here pine, are you dense or what

Rolefishing is bad for the environment.

[Pine]

Checking in. I agree that scum is likely {implosion, EP}, but I prefer an EP lynch. Implosion's recent responses give me cold feet on him.

VOTE: ErrantParabola

[Pine]

implosion is acting like he knows he’s gonna flip town

Implosion!scum is the last of his kind, and has no reason to plan for after his death.

EP needs rope.

[Pine]

Exactly what benefit would engaging with your irrationality give me, Implosion? As either Town or scum?

If I ignore you, it's because I don't see any good coming from such a debate.

[Pine]

Exactly what benefit would engaging with your irrationality give me, Implosion? As either Town or scum?

If I ignore you, it's because I don't see any good coming from such a debate.

If you're town, avoiding a mislynch on you down the line?

If you are town and think you're right on me being town, and it looks like I'm going to be lynched today and it's unclear what happens tomorrow, I feel like you should be looking a lot more worried than you are. Especially with me basically trying to use my dying breath to get people to lynch you tomorrow.

I'm much more concerned with getting my suspect lynched than protecting myself. Successfully eliminating the last scum makes any time spent on debating you for a hypothetical future wasted effort.

See, this is why I'm thinking Implosion!town these days. I don't think Implosion!scum spends time both tunneling and trying to reason with me, I think he just takes the path of least resistance to get his needed MLs.

[Pine]

I generally don't believe in self-defense. It's wasted effort. The best defense is to just BE Town. Go do Town stuff.

[Pine]

JFC, how hard do I have to soft an inno on implosion

[Pine]

Yeah called it Mastina. You took me out for that reason, or for my claim?