Mini 2028: SSBUPick [And The Winner Is...]

[RCEnigma]

Kirby was also my number 1, somebody fess up.

Prof. Does one of your abilities force you to reveal?

[RCEnigma]

Sheep the confirmed VOTE: ladyangel

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It also let's town make more informed decisions, it's fine TBH.

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I think my rolefishing would be a little closer to... Hey Gamma, what's your role?

[RCEnigma]

What can i say, I'm a direct guy. We have a bunch of townies on the ladyangel wagon if you guys want to look town.

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Noted.

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Heretic.

Obligatory Townread.

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It doesn't need context. That's how you know it's that authentic fresh from the pot town.

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Man this is a good town

I'm in the mood for an easy win, promise I Won't go back to my old ways of screwing around for fun (see sig <_<)

Well I'll bet you I can unintentionally throw this.

[RCEnigma]

...like Fate just said Thomas should have bussed you instead of him, so either the three of you are scum together, or my reading comprehension is garbage

Don't think Fate is scum wit DT and Maria but I like this read a lot for the gamesolving angle.

[RCEnigma]

I was just about to summon you popo

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Well Fate just made my point for why DT is town.

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It's not about what you're saying, it's about why you're saying it. That's the point. The volume doesn't matter. But I'll say it's TvT for now if you guys sheep my Nico wagon.

VOTE: nicoRobin good lynch.

[RCEnigma]

Which part?

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Maria/seadragon was TvT imo. I'm aware he only has one post, it makes it a good wagon. Honestly Most of the active users in leaning town on. Exception being popo maybe but I don't really want to lynch him. My scum poe right now would be something like Angel/Nico/gamma/other guy without posts. Dunno his name off the top of my head.

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My mistake, Nico's probably just scum and I'd like to lynch her*

[RCEnigma]

Not sure who it was that specifically pinged out the townclaim as part of their scumread.

[RCEnigma]

Oh it was SeaDragon. Bad kitty, bad.

[RCEnigma]

Iss ok, you're still town . Umm Nico just inactivity/poe. Not sure what you want me to read you based on?

I'm certainly not going to read you THIS game based on what you've done in OTHER games. That would be backwards.

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Uh, hello?

I didn't say "I'm town"

I said "I am in town" as in like Lebron from downtown; DT is in town?

how is that forced...

umm... umm....

sup bois

i am in town

!

have been away for a while so just checking up now; hopefully i didnt miss much

umm... *runs away*



my bad

??? Bad kitty again?

[RCEnigma]

I just realised this is a hydra. The kitty gif should have given it away.

[RCEnigma]

Thats not why anyone's said you're scum

then again I havent really read the thread thoroughly...

It really is the reason.

It's funny that you were the main candidate pushing me and maria for being the same team cuz i was 'so' scummy

So you are telling me you didnt really read why i was scummy but just wanted me to be scummy so you can push me and maria together?

thanks for outing yourself, scum.

VOTE: fate

please vote. this guy is just mafia.

Fate is the reason I don't want to lynch you so I'll have to pass.

[RCEnigma]

He asked if your vote on fate was serious....

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Hmm I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place.

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why is that? why does the person i think is the most scummy make you not want to lynch me (implied that you believe he is a town because u refuse to vote him ig)

Well I do find Fate to be pretty Townie. It was him that brought the logic that strong scum would buss you if they decided to go that route. It dissuaded me from wanting you lynched but your tone is scum all the way, I'll say that at least.

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Because you haven't done anything in this game. Being inactive is not a meta Im going to use to read someone town, sorry.

If you had content I could base content from other games against then sure, fair point I can use your meta. But..... *crickets chirp*

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Because you haven't done anything in this game. Being inactive is not a meta Im going to use to read someone town, sorry.

If you had content I could base content from other games against then sure, fair point I can use your meta. But..... *crickets chirp*

Then your viewpoint is meaningless due to being factually wrong.......

Factually wrong? You had one post with nothing in it and have defended your meta of being inactive, that's it. How do I Townread that "content"?

Also I've never played with you, so I can only scumread things I see as scummy. I didnt call you scum initially, just that you were in my pool of possible scum. I'll leave it at that.

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No I think Fate absolutely would buss DT. I did forget it was multiball for a bit. Ummm it may change my later reads but I have Nico, DT, possibly popo as not green right now.

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That wasn't a good explanation I lost my train of thought.

I think Fate would buss DT if they were together but I Townread Fate and therefore don't believe in a DT Fate team. It would be pretty good scum theatre if they were. With multiball in play I dunno it kind of skews my Fate read a bit, I'd have to go back through fates posts to change my mind.

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I had already thrown my vote at Angel with no response, Nico was just next in the list to ping out. I think the response was telling in itself.

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It let me know Nico was actively lurking given how quickly she responded to being pinged out but not to anything else. Despite her insisting otherwise I find it scummy behavior.

[RCEnigma]

That wasn't a good explanation I lost my train of thought.

I think Fate would buss DT if they were together but I Townread Fate and therefore don't believe in a DT Fate team. It would be pretty good scum theatre if they were. With multiball in play I dunno it kind of skews my Fate read a bit, I'd have to go back through fates posts to change my mind.

wow so you are telling me you are

1)hard town reading fate over like first 5 pages

2)believe he would bus me (for reasons i dont really know...?)

3)think i was townie because you read fate town?

wait... this ... logic really doesnt make sense?

it sounds like you are just making up reasons to not vote me?

like. just because fate would bus me (who neither of you know), that doesnt really say much about our alignment...

and for that to be your sole reason to not vote me? i think that's really super weird of a logic and i dont buy it. i feel like you already have enough information to kind of assume i was town and came up with some random excuse to not vote me.

idk what to make of a town completely being oblivious about the fact that it's a multi ball and playing the game like that for 8 pages.... lol

If I were scum and you were town I honestly wouldn't care, you would hang yourself at some point.

1. Not a hard Townread but a Townread yes. Toogeloo is my top town fwiw.

2. Yes if you buss a teammate you buss an aggressive one....aggressively. just my read on his playstyle and yours to a lesser degree.

3. I think you are not with Fate because I believe Fate to be town, I said I wouldn't lynch you not that I believe you are town.

I also wasn't oblivious to the multiball aspect, I forgot. I have a couple other games and a lot more on my plate, it happens.

[RCEnigma]

In post 138, RCEnigma wrote:
Hmm I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Anything you feel like sharing or need help with?

Nope made a decision, only thing that changes my mind is a scum flip.

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And, I still don't understand your logic of, "You are not with Fate because Fate is town" The two are not mutually exclusive, and super weird for you to so quickly conclude all these assumptions so early in the d1, "making up your mind"

Not because he's tiwn, AND he's town. You are not aligned AND I think he's town AND you aren't my top scum. I feel there are better lynches.

The last line has nothing to do with Day 1 fwiw.

[RCEnigma]

Factually town, got it.

[RCEnigma]

ConfTown Nico, Prof.Fridays
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Toogeloo
SeaDragon
Fate
Null kokichi, kuroi
Popopopo
Doubting Thomas, Maria, Gamma
ConfScum
Rc I guess.

If I Missd anyone you're just null

[RCEnigma]

Or just play a townie game but whatever I'm over it, the Nico issue resolves itself and town doesn't have time to spend on it.

[RCEnigma]

Deflection maybe? But calling it opportunistic is a reach.

[RCEnigma]

dunno how I feel about Gamma, I havent seen anything townie or inherently scummy. He's...here at least.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: MariaR

lets try this

yeet :3

uh what, you went from voting maria, to going against fate, to still being okay with your martia vote, wat

do you find this scummy or? and/or why?

[RCEnigma]

I don't recall, think I would swap you into null and popopo in your place.

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We've established Nico isn't going to help the game, please please don't scumread Nico I don't wanna go through this again.

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What specifically makes me a scumread for you Maria?

[RCEnigma]

fair, seems like a selective read, but fair.

[RCEnigma]

ConfTown Nico, Prof.Fridays

Lol?

Sorry this was me being toxic. Apologies.

[RCEnigma]

I definitely start to scumread him, yeah. I just also see some town motivations since I'm also super long winded and stubborn.

But I'm the exception and not the rule so I would consider him quite possibly scum.

Sorry no you dont get a pass because you havent posted. And then when you get pinged out have a fit because everyone should read you town since you havent posted. Like what? Why play then. Even just pinging someone out as scum or town I'd let it slide because hey she gave content. But 15 posts of the same thing isnt doing it for me.

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It was responding to your post Kuroi, against Nico not you.

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I'm in a weird place, I don't like anyone on the popopo lynch except Kuroi like a tiny bit. But don't like that popopo is on the Maria lynch. I'd much rather get Nico out of here if not I'd settle for DT.

Toog I get like your pov, but it's not a stance Im backing off of. What I did find interesting though is that after I pinged Nico out and she responded as poorly as she did, she was instantly scumread by a large majority of the game. However hasn't amassed any votes, despite several mentions that it was a lynch they would go for AND no one has really backed her up. Just lumped me into a team with her which only makes sense as a hard buss(?) where there was no heat on Nico to begin with.

[RCEnigma]

To your other point Toog im not scumhunting today, if I'm around tomorrow if paints a better picture for me. Till then I'll townhunt.

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Today as in real life days or game-days? (Day One, Day Two, etc.). Also, town-hunting is pretty much scum hunting; you just have to process by elimination

Exactly what I've been doing. It's what Toog is scumreading me for lol. That and being partners with Nico. I still think Toogeloo is town here just paranoid.

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My poe was Angel, Nico, DT, Maria, popo. Not all the same faction. That being said I would let Maria live today with her soft and DT is ehhh, I'd lynch Nico or popo before him.

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As someone who's used similar reads I can get behind Kokichi as town.

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It doesn't apply here Kokichi but playing mafia on Cam there are certain players I tend to scumread when they are town and vice versa so I can relate to the read. I understand what you're getting at I guess.

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Toogeloo thinks I'm partners with Nico, based on our interactions. I see it as Toogeloo being paranoid town.

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Glad you guys are coming around.

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hmm Fate why the vote on Popopo? Do you believe popopo AND Maria are on scum teams?

[RCEnigma]

hmm Fate why the vote on Popopo? Do you believe popopo AND Maria are on scum teams?

Any reason why they can't be? Multi-ball, remember?

Trying to determine if you are actually forgetting this, or if you are playing dumb

I'm aware, that doesn't have anything to do with asking Fate for HIS perspective on it.

[RCEnigma]

Ehh I think your scumread is painting my posts scummy for you, regardless of what the content is? Which is fine it happens

[RCEnigma]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: popopo
L-1 hooe the night play will jump-start the game again.

Tag fix
-Kor

[RCEnigma]

If you guys would rather lynch me because popopo claimed a role then by all means. What I dont want to happen is we swing votes around and force everyone to claim their role before anyone can use them. Whats troubling is that I think with the exception of Frank, the only people pinging me out are town.

Also afaik scum roles are given a fake claim with their role pm if applicable? I dont think its necessary since you can choose what parts of the role you want to omit when you claim but its still worth considering.

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Don't like the sound of that.

I don't think Fate/Toog have a red between them just on the timing of the votes. Although that doesn't necessarily make them the same team.

Popopos readlist I feel has one partner mentioned at all and the other was ignored.

Ladyangel, kokichi, kuroi, myself, and gamma have 1 red between them. I still think Nico is red. Frank hasn't changed my mind at all.

VOTE: FrankJaegar

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Well that's my point Toog, Red would be content with lurking out there and hoping town isn't active enough to pull votes. Fate/Toog spearheaded the vote when they easily could have swung the wagon in the other direction on Maria. Then the inactivity wouldn't matter as much.

My list is just based on the people popopo had no interaction with. Though I guess you could read me as soft bussing day 1 that's your own decision to make.

Out of that list I haven't checked who voted popo and when. If anyone is red one the popopo lynch it would probably be Lady angel imo.

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I guess kuroi out of that pool for now which leaves me with Nico/Frank who is pretty confirmed as Not green in my eyes, Kokichi, Ladyangel, Gamma. Of those Kokichi would probably be at the end of my list and it would look something like

Nico/Frank
Gamma
LadyAngel
kokichi
Kuroi/seadragon

I'll say I would add DT in there somewhere but I honestly don't know where I would put him based on the flip.

[RCEnigma]

this is interesting as fuck.

i want everyone to check in

WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT ME SCUMMM WARP YOUR HEAD AROUND THAT

I didnt even catch that I just read Wrap anyways

[RCEnigma]

Toog can I ask, if you Scumread me and think I'm bussing Nico/Frank...dont you think hanging Frank is worth a shot?

I pointed out yesterday how no one was really willing to join that wagon despite Nico's poor reactions and a fair amount of people scumreading her for it. I just found it odd.

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If it makes you feel better I also have an active role with information I think could help. I'll leave my claim up to town to decide. I'm not really familiar with forum claims.

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Driven players just swap positions basically?

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Ladyangel, kokichi, kuroi, myself, and gamma have 1 red between them. I still think Nico is red. Frank hasn't changed my mind at all.

Yea you're going to need to explain yourself

That list is specifically Popopos null reads, most of those in the list have ZERO interaction with popopo, save for Kuroi which I've pulled out of the short list, and LadyAngel. LadyAngel was on the wagon but was only an RVS vote with like 3 posts in between.

I don't think it's unreasonable to think that both Reds were NOT on the lynch. If one was on I think it's probably LA. Of the non popopo voters there is Kokichi, Gamma, Frank, and SeaDragon. SeaDragon was in Popopos scumlist so he's still an option in my mind but not forst pick.

This is only my conclusion of the Red team mind you. I don't think I'm making outrageous assumptions here.

[RCEnigma]

If you and Maria just swap places then yea whoever you target is stilp who you get results from.

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Also, the weird thing about popopo was that despite the fact that he was lynched, he was largely ignored in favor of Enigma/DT. I was the one hardest on him.

Answered your own question bud. You would have had to buss him pretty early to be a partner.

Kuroi do you still feel im not contributing or am I still just a guy scumread?

If anyone that scumreads me can make a case against me id be happy to answer it.

Also, not familiar with multiball but I've been focused on red partners. I would assume it's optimal to hunt for a lynch within the other team?

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So now I'm scum because I'm not with Nico/Frank?

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With all this activity in sure I'll find something to get my nose into.

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If you're roleblocked then you get back no result. Technically I have a result but my action did not go through.

Fate I don't see a work where I'm paired with MariaR. Especially in the context of Red W/popopo. Since I can't be red with popopo and with Maria and with Toogeloo? Or are scum teams larger than three?

At this point I doubt Fate/Toog is TvT but I read each individually townie, Fate more so. But I can see a world he's partnered with Maria.

[RCEnigma]

Scum could be on popopos lynch so that doesn't matter much. What makes Toog scum?

[RCEnigma]

Sorry confused myself you said Toog isn't scum. But you don't agree with my Toog read, where I said Toog isn't scum.

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Anyways, the issue I have with Fate is he's screaming scum to me but everyone is telling me it's NAI because he's always like this.

If I'm following Fate is a null read because OTHER people tell you its NAI? This doesn't tell anyone anything about what you think of Fate V Toog specifically.

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That's fine and all, but personality aside there is some bit of logic behind his case and reads.

So I guess my question is was it just his aggressiveness that rubbed you wrong. Or where you reading him scummy because you disagreed with reads? Or just based on town reading Toog?

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If anyone is red one the popopo lynch it would probably be Lady angel imo.

Eh we're on the same page WaterSnake.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Lady Angel

...what? Why hint at your role when there's all of three votes on you?

I'm fine with my vote where it is at this point. Pox7's posts feel off to me, and I'm not a fan of tunnels in general when it's clear there isn't much there. Maria seems fairly towny to me outside of dropping hints about her role really early. I'm fairly null on everyone otherwise, which is why I haven't been posting.

Maria was the only townread you gave at all before this list. There hasn't been much from her in between so can you elaborate a bit on why you townread Maria yesterday, but scumread her today for the same reasons?

I considered something like an investigative check but no deaths and being warped ruled that out already.

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do you feel like any of Fate/Panzer/Maria are with popo?

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Because my problem with your scumlist is that it doesnt feel like you are hunting in the right place. If that makes sense, which then leads me to believe we don't have the same objective or win condition.

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This might be *incredibly* out of date, but I don't think Fate busses po from the 4 slot. That's just a thing old heads reflexively don't do.

Pedit: why are we assuming 3 on each team again?

In the context of A. The inactive game and B. The proximity to deadline, Fate doesn't give popopo away. Especially considering the flip when Fate could have potentially gained a useful item from popopo. His role has to be taken into account.

[RCEnigma]

Oooo poisoner hmm. Are you notified if you're poisoned? Also is a doc able to cure poison? Having a doc on your team may be reason enough not to claim it if so.

[RCEnigma]

Not sure as far as MS goes? But I've played games with both town/scum poisoner. Don't think the role itself is indicative.

[RCEnigma]

Is everyone just throwing fake townreads around? Because I'm pretty sure you both townread each other yesterday. I dont think Maria is poisoner but I do think she may have something. Based on how she opened the day.

[RCEnigma]

Prof you may be confirmed...but I will end you

[RCEnigma]

Gonna throw out some kind of abstract reads that I can back up later but for now:

Town

- Prof
Seadragon- I like their opening and day 1 play, we are following a lot of the same trains of thought. I liked him pinging me out for targeting Nico before Toog gave his RC/Nico partner read. Not sure what to make of Gamma V Seadragon but that can be sorted later.
Fate- The aggressive style and the way he's putting himself out there is very townie to me. I've already given my thoughts about the popopo lynch angle, Fate is never red to me.

Townlean

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Kokichi- Has been on board with my thoughts and pushes (Nico, popopo. Although he didn't place his vote there afaik) With that said we didnt interact much day 1 outside of being on the same page with who we thought was scummy. So thats something to think about.
Maria- is a townlean for the popopo interactions though that doesnt necessarily make her green. Not a super strong townlean
Kuroi- Has actively contributed and his thoughts feel genuine. Cant see a scum motive from this slot at the moment. I also feel he may just be town caught in the Fate V. Toog crossfire.

Null

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Gamma- Besides clashing with Seadragon I cant recall who Gamma really sides with or where he stands on any real conflict. I just dont have a read here.

Scumlean

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LadyAngel- I've pointed out my issues with this slot. At worst ladyAngel is blue in my eyes, best case being a red flip.

Scum

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Nico/Frank- I've made my stance known, press me for the read if you want.

Now I did not mention Toog or Panzer. I forget at which point but this pairing was brought up and I kept it in mind throughout this day. I can definitely see a Panzer/Toog pairing. It pinged me that way when panzer took an immediate stance against Toog. I dont think this is a red pairing with popopo but I can certainly see this on a blue team IF the team is larger than 2....actually even if the team is 2 considering both sides of this are being largely townread so if one side flips blue or red then the other side is psuedocleared? I could be way off base but it's giving me a bad vibe overall.

[RCEnigma]

umm korina can i pretty please get a tag fix? Mobile posting doesn't agree with me.

Also I dont know how to post gifs Prof. but, No U.

Done
- Kor

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No it doesnt hit me the same way. But that can be written off to skill. I've only seen a game or two in newbies of DT, not sure what Panzers background is but I always assume a players skill to be equal or higher than mine, so its a play I can see as viable.

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VOTE: Frank
Let's try here It's interesting he's prob red and RC is blue but I don't know if I can get an RC wagon so let's try here

Any reason in particular I cant just be green?

[RCEnigma]

Good I'd have to end you instead of prof.

[RCEnigma]

was one scum team not confirmed to have 3? Also theres no guarantee blue team has immediate kill power? Its reasonable that poisoner could be blue? and one person was docced or NK was roleblocked and resulted in no nightkill. I dont think Maria claims poisoner if she's blue and thats their only killing power though.

[RCEnigma]

I'd amend fates list a bit but I do agree if town has a kp role then an extra kp for blue or red isn't a stretch.

[RCEnigma]

if town also has kp, and blue is not guaranteed an immediate kp afaik. It makes sense. Also considering that its likely that power can be nullified by a doc or something similar. It doesn't confirm you at all.

[RCEnigma]

also where are we getting 2 Blue from?

[RCEnigma]

poisoning town just makes you a lynch later on so, whatever you want.

Blue could still have 3 members. If thats the case then I could see town having a few kp roles. it's less likely with two? I think.

[RCEnigma]

I don't know all the roles or how they would interact so I cant judge balance.

[RCEnigma]

if I poisoned wrong once mafia would have more numbers then town.

But you poisoned night 1?

[RCEnigma]

7v3v3 isnt the same as 7v6

[RCEnigma]

it doesn't really matter it resolves itself EOD

[RCEnigma]

Anyone who genuinely thinks this game can be 7v3v3 with a scum poisoner I'm taking away your town set up spec card.

I'm wary because I dont know the team mechanics. Like if red or blue team even have night kills. Then a scum poisoner could fit yes or no? I'm not accusing you but talking setup.

[RCEnigma]

I should rephrase, immediate nightkills. or if something like poisoning would count as their teams nightkill, do you see what I'm getting at?

[RCEnigma]

I'm still on board for Nico's lynch regardless of who is on it.

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id agree its more likely, why i moved toog/panzer out of my reads. I do think they are suspects as a blue team.

[RCEnigma]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Frank

Interested in Gamma/Kokichi/and lady's top lynches.

[RCEnigma]

I think claiming a different poisoned target would have given it more validity.

[RCEnigma]

Holy crap. 5 pages?

What game have I come back to?

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Now I did not mention Toog or Panzer. I forget at which point but this pairing was brought up and I kept it in mind throughout this day. I can definitely see a Panzer/Toog pairing. It pinged me that way when panzer took an immediate stance against Toog. I dont think this is a red pairing with popopo but I can certainly see this on a blue team IF the team is larger than 2....actually even if the team is 2 considering both sides of this are being largely townread so if one side flips blue or red then the other side is psuedocleared? I could be way off base but it's giving me a bad vibe overall.

Explain this to me, I think I'm reading it wrong. What do you mean that if one of panzerjager or I flips red/blue, the other is pseudocleared? Because it looked like you were also suggesting that we are a team (The irony of which is not lost on me with my calling you a team with Nico early on). I need clarification on this read though, and I'd like you to expand more on it.

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Town Poisoner doesn't seem unheard of, especially considering that's a lot of restrictions for a town kill. The kill is delayed, so can a Doc protect it either night? Having to be on a scum lynch really neuters the effect of it being a vig too since it's a reward for being on a correct lynch instead of taking matters into your own hands and killing a scummy player as a vig usually would do, especially if they can't get support for their candidate.

That being said, I don't get Maria's mindset. She bashes Friday's for claiming, and then soft claims the very same day. Then she refuses to claim saying it would implicate her (or something of the sort), and then all of a sudden up and claims when it really didn't seem to have a big impact on the discussion at hand.

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Without much info to go on, my original suspicion of the Blue Team was they are Serial Killer or Survivor or something. Just a single individual, because I kind of feel the same way as Maria that two teams of three is definitely a bit much in a 13 player game.

Just how the posturing was going. The clash between you and Fate wasn't being presented as TvT imo. So if one flips town then the other is going to be casted in a shady light. I think Panzers positioning on Fate's end was interesting. In that context Fate flipping town would implicate you and not Panzer per say. With that being said I can see a world where you and Fate clash as Blue v Green and Panzer as a blue partner goes against you but doesnt really push you. He lets Fate do it.

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If Maria actually is a poisoner, and she got warped, wouldn't whoever she got warped to be poisoned? But I think everyone else has posted and nobody's mentioned being poisoned yet...

Also, Post #2 in the OP chain confirms both Red and Blue teams have a nightkill. The way Korina worded the answer makes me think it's two standard nightkills, but one of them being poison isn't out of the question, I guess?

not if it just changes Maria's position and not her target.

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dont like Gamma's catch up tbh. Feigned surprise followed by meaningless post then meaningless post then meaningless post then meaningless post. What do you think about the rest of the game outside of Maria's claim? you skipped over my question about top lynches.

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If Nico had even OMGUS'd back when I pushed on them I probably back off at least. But it was more like hey I haven't posted at all, so I should be everyone's Townread. It's how I play.

No place for that. Frank hasn't brought much to the slot. I did like him townreading me to get me off. It's worth a shot.

[RCEnigma]

So....frank or lady. I'm fine being lynchbait tomorrow but those need to be sorted.

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Toog im not sure if that's a slip, or if you just got people mixed up. But Maria never claimed LadyAngel as her poison target. So if she does die to poison, it won't look good for you.

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Umm Kuroi you just called out Maria for vagueness but that fits Franks entire day.

Very simplistic reads like Toog is town so Fate/panzer probably aren't. But Fate could be null.

Kokichi is coasting. Even his progression in you was that you were a scumread(no evidence of this) until your rb question and now you're town.

I would assume you're town now to keep you off his lynch.
Essentially he's coasting in the same way that he's scumreading Kokichi for. There are multiple posts that he is checking ISOs or getting ready for a big post and we still don't have the results of either. With Franks slot I have to speculate on his reads a lot which I don't like and Nico doesn't have anything gamewise to go off of.

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We've established Maria was gambiting. Its not worth focusing on anymore today.

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yeah seems that way. Hopefully the late game gets interesting.

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nah i'd rather vote Frank.

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Kokichi is coasting. Even his progression in you was that you were a scumread(no evidence of this) until your rb question and now you're town.

Explain how I'm coasting? Especially when everyone else is not posting as much.

I was paraphrasing Franks reads, those are not my own.

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Kokichi oma seems to be coasting. Light engagement. Null

Seems I didnt format that well. I was pointing out the few reads Frank has given and how they were vague.

I was speaking to Kuroi.

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Kokichi oma seems to be coasting. Light engagement. Null

Seems I didnt format that well. I was pointing out the few reads Frank has given and how they were vague.

I was speaking to Kuroi.

No, you flat out lied. What you said is far from a format error

I literally quoted it....what?

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Dont think toog is scum

Eh, that was supposed to be a PM. I kind of goofed up, but I have a power role. I mean, I guess we all do.

But that wasn't supposed to be posted on here. Woops.

Was scum reading you until this. Im not sure if your being honest but safest thing to do is believe you for now.

Fate is odd but I dont think 2 scum would jump on toog back2back. Null based on my toog town read

Kokichi oma seems to be coasting. Light engagement. Null

I literally pulled these reads, minus the quotes. Exactly as you said. Please point out where I lied.

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I think your frustration is just that we aren't following what you want Fate. So fine, I'll cede we lynch who you want on the condition that Frank is lynched tomorrow. IDC if you get a red check a blue check. Franks the lynch.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

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no one said you town read kokichi.....

yeah can we just end this day.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Frank pls ty

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Prof is modconfirmed, page 1.

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Meh starting to lose interest myself. If you want my claim L-1 me. If not don't bother. I'll be around when we can get a lynch going. My votes not moving so.

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Also keep in mind if Frank flips blue I think it confirms Maria and green. Not that I don't think Frank/Maria could be a team. I just think the likelihood is low and there's someone else that I'm strongly favoring as a partner. It also makes Toog Likely Green team as well.

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I've got to stop mobile posting.

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If Maria's role isn't god tier can we agree to policy?

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So fingers crossed Frank flips blue. It would consolidate my townblock pretty well and it just comes down to finding the Townie out of kokichi, gamma, Panzer. SeaDragon coukd be my one townie that could flip scum but I feel pretty good about them just being town. Granted I havent played with Eragon is scum but I think I have a read on his towngame.

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I can tell who's posting what :p. I'll check out 1881 in a bit.

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You're thinking if Frank was scum he would hammer himself and not give any scum secrets away like

he otherwise would feed us information about scum #3?

This doesn't seem like town mindset, but rather "Blue Team" mindset. You lumped Frank in with Red Team by stating he wouldn't give away scum #3, and didn't state anything in regards to Blue alignment possibilities.

I'd prefer not to vote because [REDACTED], but this would get a vote from me, and if you and I are alive tomorrow, I will be revisiting this.

^ I agree ftr

Yep

This is what I was alluding to when I mentioned consolidating my town block.

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LUV style?

Meant to do this earlier

VOTE: Jager (the other one).

Do you still think toog is scum?

What's scummy about Lady?

Why is fate a town read of yours?

This is probably Franks towniest post and the only time I've seen him attempting to scumhunt.

Kuroi the problem is, you and Fate are the only people really opposed to this lynch. The fact that both you and Frank tried to push the LadyAngel Angle early and it didn't gain traction isn't painting the two of you as townies who happen to have the same reads.

His "flip" on reading you doesn't follow a natural progression imo because there's nothing to suggest he actually scumread you at any point. At this point Frank is likely red with blue joining the lynch of blue with red joining the lynch and his partner or partners trying to prevent it.

The Slim chance that he's green would mean that all of town are wrong on Frank.

Keep in mind that everyone has an ability and night actions absolutely influence the days votes.

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Why would Franks info flip you on Kuroi if thats likely a pairing?

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For one you havent voted panzer at any point. This still falls in line with Frank since, besides Lady, Panzer is the only other person he has pointed to as scummy.

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I see Kuroi as blue team scum based on the post from above. I could see him as a partner too based on the post I made about him going to a non wagon vote, but

You're thinking if Frank was scum he would hammer himself and not give any scum secrets away like

he otherwise would feed us information about scum #3?

This doesn't seem like town mindset, but rather "Blue Team" mindset. You lumped Frank in with Red Team by stating he wouldn't give away scum #3, and didn't state anything in regards to Blue alignment possibilities.

This scums it up. He doesn't even consider Blue team in this post and goes straight to the 3rd red as though he knows something we don't about Blue.

I was going to argue that it could be an attempt to throw off an associative after Franks flip but I dont think thats really an option now. So If Frank flips red who would you see Blue!Kuroi being with?

And if Frank flips blue would you still entertain the idea of Blue!Kuroi?

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That was quite a scroll, fair. I couldnt find the vote scrolling through your ISO. but I didnt feel like picking through every post.

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Eragon is my MS crush honestly.

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Holy hell I take a nap and this is what happens?!?! Let me put my glasses on In claiming too.

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I'm essentially an X-shot Vig and last night I targeted Frank, who did come back immune. That doesn't disprove Panzers claim because I dont show up in night visits.

I didn't come out with it early because there is probably some kind of redirector on one of the scum teams, we also know there is a warper so my targets could be skewed like that as well. Frank was nearly the lynch without this information coming out and I was a lynch option so i'm probably not the kill target. On a blue my shot would have been Kuroi or Lady. A red flip and I'm not so sure.

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immune hider who didnt use an ability. Also from a town perspective, doccing Nico is sub optimal when there were players that led a scum lynch day one. Those are the most likely targets so no I dont believe doc randomly threw out a save on the off chance Nico was targeted. This flips blue imo.

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umm if Panzer is lying he likely throws a pair of names under the bus. Unless his goal is explicitly to get Frank lynched for lying. Also he cant be sure about roles that don't show up at night, its not something he could know.

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I'm saying he is immune, because he is immune. Specifically him. I was not redirected, I did in fact target Frank.

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I was told your target was immune specifically. Not that I'm sure what would have been said if the shot were doc healed.

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Dont think a ninja vig and a ninja doc both fit in town. I also dont see who that fits thematically?

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an X-shot ninja vig yes.

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I will say if Toog wants to check me, feel free. Not sure if he would need my character claim for that or not. Ummm Fate is also kind of important to Franks claim since hes claimed bulletproof already.

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it's the kind of gambit i'd run if I were bulletproof.

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I forgot about greninja tbh. but I dont see greninja having a doc ability flavor wise. I dont doubt scum also has a ninja ability though.

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I'm only disappointed that the hammer isn't mine. Since I didnt get to end Frank last night.

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I'm kind of curious if Frank was actually attacked a second time. Wondering what the other team could have been fishing for.

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no...being immune does.

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he claimed not to have used his ability. so there would have to be immunity in his passive. An immune hider....doesn't make sense.

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Before I checked I wanted to say whoever brought up the vig angle was probably town but,

So I'm curious who could have went after Frank

lol

VOTE: Kuroi

Clearly both scum teams? Why would you have reason to think otherwise?

This is Super Smash Brothers and you don't think there's a vig among us?

Kind of makes me think he is one of the cross factions and they didn't target Frank.

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ive never been shot and survived. Is that not something that mod confirms with you?

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going to full claim to remove ambiguity, I am Meta Knight.

"Swordfight" is my active X shot vig ability. IF MY TARGET DOES NOT DIE I WILL BE NOTIFIED.
and my passive is "Mysterious" I dont appear during night visits.

I was specifically told that my Target (Frank) was immune. I think another ninja ability would probably be suited for red team over blue but I guess it could go either way. I dont believe the hider claim though I do believe panzers watch as stated before. I'd be willing to vote Kuroi here but then I wont really have a viable target and I run the risk of messing with investigatives targets.

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thank you Toog, I almost pulled a bad bad move.

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2 shots 2 immune targets Ughhhh what is life.

Also Maria only has to use one ability each night. Night one she used bus drive with herself and SeaDragon as targets of anyone wants to go back and read day 2. She did not set fire to anyone.

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I shot Kuroi last night.

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I thought maybe he vested since he did claim a joat role, but he watched Fate he says so there's that.

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Maria set fire last night but not the night before us what I'm saying. I think the Kirby theory is plausible.

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I lost a shot still I think. Unfortunate, I didnt want Kuroi to vest up so I needed people to think I had multiple options.

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Is the IC finally gonna stop calling for my head?

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I don't think we are looking at Kuroi as the lynch today, but I don't think O can shoot him tonight he'll just vest up. I do think Kuroi is blue but I'd rather get the red and eliminate a nightkill.

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That means Kokichi, Gamma, Fate is my poe. Question can scum use their ability the same night they make a kill? That's really the only reason I'm taking Lady out of the equation. My feedback was that my target was immune, I'm not sure if that equates to roleblocked.

If I was in fact roleblocked it makes me think Lady couldn't make the nightkill so she isn't red. Does that make sense or no?

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I iz a baed reeder. OK so yes I still have the same amount of shots, I read the immune target part but not my shot count. I was kept from attacking and I think that confirms ladyAngel (I was always shooting Kuroi q.q sorry)

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I got an immune back but I never attacked Kuroi. My shot didn't go through I just didn't notice.

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Do you just block someone from dying to fire that night or are they put out for good?

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I think I can and actual claim from Fate before we end the day.

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Someone's gotta have something by now. No way we get through this game on dayreads alone.

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Actually f*** me balance...

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So I had a post explaining why Panzer can't be blue and I was going to tell Toranga to ISO kuroi but hey he hardclaimed scum so no point. LadyAngel pretty much hit every point I had on the head.

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OK so fmpov town is as follows:

Toranga, Myself, LadyAngel, Panzer, Toogeloo

And we just need to find the last remaining Townie out of:

Kokichi, Gamma, Fate, Kuroi.

Lynching green today makes the worst possible scenario 3v2v1. Technically 2v2v1 if I also shoot town in the night or 1v2v1 if I shoot the last remaining town not targeted by either team AND Lady jails a blue member. But 3v2v1 is worst case of we aren't playing like potatos. Even then it pretty solidly confirms the last 3 scum so really, we can lynch any of Kokichi, Gamma, Kuroi, or Fate comfortably.

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Well I confirmed a shot on Frank so I can't be red. I can only be blue if you believe Kuroi is Green and actually a Miller who also claimed joat.

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OK so I'm conflicted. I was going to say that Gamma or Fate ate likely Kirby and Kirby is probably blue here. But that only works if Kirby can absorb an ability and use it in the same night.

N1 Maria used her bus driver power and switched with seadragon so SeaDragon woukd have been the target in order to receive Maria's Powers.

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Actually strike that, if Kuroi is Kirby it makes sense he would have targeted Maria and gotten Seadragons watcher ability then used it N2 on Fate. If that makes sense to anyone else.

I don't think there are three roleblockers?(hopefully) but we have 2 rb claims Day 2 and prof was jailed n1 so I'd count that. Kuroi could claim rbed to avoid having to out watching somebody.

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I think kuroi/fate/gamma probably just ends the game. I'm not sure what Toog gains in claiming rbed considering his ability so either reds last member has a roleblock or Toog is the last red and blue has it. I don't really think Toog busses PoPo the way he flipped the wagon.

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Where was this LadyAngel in the early game q.q

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OK but there is still a problem. I'm having a hard time believing that you and Panzer are on the same team. A tracking/watching joat and a watcher. I still don't get how you can clear him based on the fact Fate didn't die. Since any scum team could watch and still shoot elsewhere.

Lady outlined why she thinks Panzer can't be red and I completely agree. And he can't be a blue watcher cuz yeah.

If Kuroi flips green Fate is scum and likely Panzer as well but I don't really see it.

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I haven't been that bad Toog, only misplay was not hammering Frank but he died anyway.


When Kuroi flips (LOLMILLER CLAIM) last red we'll be able to PoE from there.

Don't see my claim as necessary, its strongest if scum don't know how to play around it. I will softclaim that Vigging me is NOT a good idea over vigging Gamma Emerald

Dass true we can lynch Fate tomorrow anyways.

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So you send out four minions every night AND set fires AND are a miller.

And knowing this made you suspect town has a cop and you didn't claim at least that part.

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But you also have a killing role. I guess what I'm having trouble with is how both seem like active abilities and Miller would be passive. But I don't see an investigative and a killing role tied together AND having it be town especially with two other killing roles in the town

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If Kuroi flips town can you modswitch LAs fire onto me? I guess the alternative is I'll eat my shoe.

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Fire away Lady.

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Waiting for a flip do do doo do do

Hope it's scum do do doo do do

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VOTE: Kokichi Oma We can end this pretty quick, kokichi and Gamma are mechanically confirmed.

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And happy birthday Toog.

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I lost a shot so I know I wasn't blocked. I shot Kokichi since I didn't anticipate Fate dying with his attacker and Gamma would be easier to lynch.

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Hey RCEnigma. Wanna explain how you know your kill failed?

I can only possibly be blue from anyone else's perspective but then I'd be a vig on a team that already has a nightkill.

So fmpov Toranga is confirmed town, Toog cannot be red or blue, and I'm green. Toog could come out with his results I guess but I think Gamma is reds last member and Kokichi is blue with a vest or something of that nature.

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That's fair, but I have a confirmed shot on red and shot Kokichi last night was immune so in that case you would have to believe Gamma is the last town.

But I'd like to point out that we lynched exactly red, red, green and of those lynches Gamma was on exactly 0 of them. Which makes sense she doesn't want to lynch either partner and doesn't want to be on the kuroi lynch in case it flips town.

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So I'm not understanding lady angels role well, she can jailkeep two people per night?

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There is only 1 tiwn, among the three of you and I feel the most strongly about Toog being town considering he challenged Panzer on his claim, he has no reason to out that info if he is blue since without his character name lady probably saves him. And the hard buss an popopo doesn't make sense as red.

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Well I pointed out Day 1 a LOT of people said they wanted Nico out Day 1 and no one else really pushed it. I think you had a vote on Nico for a little bit but that's not the same as pushing for their lynch. You could still be blue.

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Which night? I don't remember what his day 3 watch was but day 2 he claimed to watch Frank but he didn't see anyone visit, which threw me.

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Oh wait, night 2 Panzer visited Fate confirmed by Kuroi. So unless kokichi role has a roleblock then Gamma is lying here.

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He didn't, I outed the information that I didn't show up with my night action. Which is why I believed his claim.

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Yes, I pointed out why? I dunno what you're getting at.

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If Panzer had thrown 2 names out when frank claimed he was attacked twice I probably shoot him for it. But he had no way to know if there were ninja roles.

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Well IDK, that was the main thing I had against Kuroi because before I claimed the shot he outed there had to be a vig. Like he was blue team and knew they also targeted Frank

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Yeah I get what your saying, I'm saying that's why I thought he was watcher, until Toog outed his character name.

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Meh UNVOTE:

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I did also have SeaDragon in my towncircle over both days and only really pushed on red.