Mini 2025: Sneks & Noodles [Game Over]

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hello

vote:horrordude0215[\b]

last in first out

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vote:horrordude

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i use to play xylbot on irc also

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vote:wgeurts

i am down for a wagon

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guys how have we not lynched nsg yet when she's confirmed scum?

explain

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????

r u scum?

no

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ok but is skitter scum?

i dont know

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@radiant what do you think of the wgurts wagon

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thats L-1 on wgeurts

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i think

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oh lazylump voted for wgeurts twice so i miscounted sorry to cause a panic

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vote:horrodude

it was clearly just a joke

grasping at straws to look like hes scumhunting

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@popo: did you want wguerts to be at L-1?

i dunno, sure. i miscounted.

I also do want to hear more from popo about the vote. Both popo->horror and horror->invisibility sort of look like lazy scum votes. They're both really easy things to vote for, though I don't think horror's is especially likely to be indicative of scum.

the horror vote felt to me like he didnt actually think invisibility was scum for what he did. he just saw something that he could frame as scummy behavior and allow him to put a vote down and look busy. as you said it is an easy thing for him to vote for.

i dont agree that my vote is like that.

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also i want to hear more about popo's vote since he announced l-1 (without unvoting or anything) whicih indicates to me he was kinda worried about the wagon getting too high but his vote was literally for the sake of the wagon happening so announcing l1 felt kinda off to me

i do enjoy an early day 1 wagon

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i guess it could be that but I dont really think it was a "bad play"

i think that invisibles post was an innocuous joke and horrordude's reaction looked forced. just my opinion.

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ok were you trying to get anything out of the wagon? did the wagon tell you anything useful about the game and/or players?

why wasn't vizzy's 'vote' bad play?

yes, it got us this horrordude/invisibility interaction.

it was a joke. im done talking about this zzz

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super comfortable with my vote rn

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horrordude voted invisibility for NAI at best joke, then when called out on this switched to saying his vote was for "lack of content" which is vague. at no point has horrordude *actually* thought invisibility was scum yet he has parked his vote there. it is weird behavior.

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ok so imo there are 3 major slots in the game so far. horrordude, invisibility, skitter. the question is, are scum in those 3 trying to take over the game or are they taking a backseat in the hope that these players cannibalize and lynch each other?

vote:randomidget[\b]
what a terrible post

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vote: randomidget

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horror and skitter summed up my thoughts on that randomidget post well

terrible

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Sup Cunts

nice

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Sad to see wgeurts go.

What I remember of randomidget is that he tends to say things that get him voted a lot. He would also say he needed flips before he coumd make meaningful reads and people thought he was making an excuse to not do anything D1. That experience is a bit dated though so I don’t know how much is still true.

I do agree that it was a bit too fluffy though. I still have rm as a null read.

do you have any examples re: randomidget.

cause from where im at, his posts read like scum trying to look like hes doing something while not actually committing to anything.

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Old post where he talked about his playstyle and someone called him out on it.
viewtopic.php?p=6717499#p6717499

Same game, me bringing up the fact that he was lynchbait for people who don’t know him.
viewtopic.php?p=6715327#p6715327

His ISO from my first game. Lynched D1 for the same thing.
viewtopic.php?t=59178&f=52&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

Is there a way to search for threads that were posted in by the same 2 users? I’d try to look for more recent examples but don’t feel like going through every single game on my wiki and the most recent one I can remember is Space Dandy II which would just be hell to search through because it was played across 2 separate PT’s with players being able to move from one thread to the other.

Looking back it seems like people always took issue with him defending his lurkiness and lack of content and he’d dig himself into a hole trying to explain himself.

thanks

alchemist is the towniest townie

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i think id still prefer randomidget but i will get on implosion if needed

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we still have 3 days. i dont love the implosion case but i will hop on to avoid a no lynch if necessary

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that was @popo

no problem

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nice try implosion, but i am town

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vote:implosion

hes gotta GO

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Wait why are we hammering without a claim?

thats just how i roll

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crazy stuff

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just waiting on radiantcowbells to tell me who the scum is

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wtf was that for

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i wanna wagon popo tomorrow if this flips town

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"this" being implosion, which flipped scum

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you shoulda just said "i wanna wagon popo tomorrow" then..

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vote:alchemist

works for me

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im super obv town here come on now boys

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hey vizzy does your popo scumread have anything to do with that micro we just finished?

i fuckin owned that game tbf

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vote:randomidget

why dont we try this

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would have been a good lynch yesterday

still a good lynch today

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FIRST

wait wtf
i clicked the link and there werent any posts

VOTE: skygazer
for accidentally killing me a few days ago
@wgeurts that isnt rly an effective criteria for you to use to narrow down the playerlist

just admit that you're insane

true but unrelated to the current matter

by the way, i'm fairly certain lazylump isn't actually new.

he's new.

RC is probably town i think?

wow implo what a good reaction test i'm rly impressed
also wgeurts was one of the main reasons i joined this game so i'd appreciate it if we didnt lynch him on page 4 tyvm

or page 5 for that matterr

ok so imo there are 3 major slots in the game so far. horrordude, invisibility, skitter. the question is, are scum in those 3 trying to take over the game or are they taking a backseat in the hope that these players cannibalize and lynch each other?

do you dispute the observations in the post?

i said "hope"
if a few players output more content than any others its common for scum to lay low in the hope that those players scumread each other
the fact that it wouldnt have worked here doesnt mean scum didnt try it as a tactic

Sad to see wgeurts go.

What I remember of randomidget is that he tends to say things that get him voted a lot. He would also say he needed flips before he coumd make meaningful reads and people thought he was making an excuse to not do anything D1. That experience is a bit dated though so I don’t know how much is still true.

I do agree that it was a bit too fluffy though. I still have rm as a null read.

ty boi

i very very rarely get mislynched after day 1. i get mislynched a decent amount day 1. i can't start off the game well but i get a feel for it after a while.

Give us a reason to not scumread you right now then, random. Tell us your thoughts on the events of the game so far, and please answer the question that you posed to us in the first place.

You still have what appears to be your RVS vote on Skygazer. Is there a reason for this?

literally just gave one: i'm always scummy day 1 regardless of alignment
70% 3 town, 30% 2s1t
not really no

apologies for not posting enthusiasm kinda died. basically i think rc's casing was solid and a good start point. i think RC has a p strong scum game but i tend to be able to read them fairly well and im not getting scum vibes. the world where they are scum here is if they see a weak playerlist and try to roll us. i dont want to put implo at l-1 but my vote would be there in spirit. alonzo seems townish, as do a few other slots i dont think alch sticks his neck out for me like that as scum. doesnt particularly benefit him and helps me. will finish read up tomorrow.

the latter half of page 28 actually removed my will to live
anway uhh alch is probs town or scum trying to pocket me but i dont really get why he would bother in this situation?

the shit posting was just such low tier

would have been a good lynch yesterday

still a good lynch today

well this reads about someone who cares about gamestate and the influence previous events have had on the game and not just setting up MLs

this is every post randomidget has made this game
the one position he has taken was that RC was town
he has not given a scumread
the only vote he has made was his RVS
when attacked yesterday he said "im always scummy day one" which i dont know how he got away with
seriously read that ISO and tell me one post that looks like town trying to find mafia

and on the implosion lynch - "i dont want to put implo at l-1 but my vote would be there in spirit"
need i say more

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Rando's at L-2 just fyi

put him at L-1 buddy

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lame

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wanna see that sucka lynched!

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i completely feel you on that radiantcowbells you have every right especially when the bodyguard likely died protecting you

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probably 2 scum on the rando wagon?

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@popo, can you comment on this:

vote:alchemist

works for me

Can you explain this vote? You had Alchemist as "the towniest townie" back at 225 and haven't commented on him since.

was sheeping RC

maybe i shouldve just done that instead of striking out with my own case

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crazy how fast the rando wagon built up to a lynch

invis and alonzo are the worst votes on it maybe?

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i suppose i have to make a decision on this

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vote:alchemist

RC was pushing this also

i dont like skitter in this game either tbh

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tbh i didn't realize that was L-1

but im fine with it, lets get a claim

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vote:alchemist

RC was pushing this also

i dont like skitter in this game either tbh

Remember that secret scumreading I mentioned yesterday? It was popo and this is more of the sane I was seeing. This is the second time he’s thrown a lazy vote on me “because RC said so.”

I haven’t seen much else from him aside from the RM case he made, but there’s a problem with that too. It boiled down to “he’s lurking” despite me linking to multiple hames showing RM is just like that. He acknowledged my post with the links but then later went back to RM for lurking anyway. I don’t think he looked into the links or cared about sorting RM anyway.

Together it reads like opportunistic scum.

VOTE: popo

this is the easiest thing in the world for alchemist to do right now. happy with my vote.

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well im VT

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crazy how fast my wagon built up, much like yesterday's on RM, also a VT

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get off my dick

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Seriously popo, give us a read that isn't "RC said so".

get off my dick

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Sorry popo, the only dick I get off right now belongs to my boyfriend.

yikes

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we should have listened to radiant cowbells while he was alive and lynched alchemist

this recent push on me reeks of desperation

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im just being real

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dont know, dont care

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gun to my head, skitter

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i scumread

feel like i explained enough at the time

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i scumread

feel like i explained enough at the time

So why cant you make a case on any scumreads today?

i dont owe u shit

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alonzo i think youre town here buddy so stop fucking up so bad

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i scumread

feel like i explained enough at the time

So why cant you make a case on any scumreads today?

i dont owe u shit

You're not RC.

VOTE: Popo

Reads. Now.

what is your vote for here? you think im scum?

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well im town..

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fine
scummy - alchemist, invisibility, skitter
town - laserguy, skygazer, alonzo

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One more question popo

can you plz tell me which of these players if any you have played with before.

ty

i dont think any

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oh yea i was scum with invis in that game lol

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i want...to hammer

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cant....resist...

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not sure about the invis claim

i shouldve just hammered tho im a pussy

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if this means we go back to alch then that works for me

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noooo i didnt hammer u invis thats not cool

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Re: popo.

all

of his stances have been very one-dimensional. His entire trajectory is the easiest thing in the world to fake as scum. His two interesting votes have been on horror and random, and both of those votes were for sort of monolithic instances of "this individual thing is really, really scummy." For horror it was the invisibility thing and his subsequent treatment of his invisibility read; I maintain that this is a really easy thing for scum to scumread. But that's not as egregious as his randomidget vote, which he gives immediately after randomidget's post which I would call very surface-level scummy.

Both of his votes have the property that theoretical scum who doesn't have a ton of familiarity with the player list and who isn't actually deeply engaged in the content of arguments, would have a really easy time making them. Both of the things that he votes for are sort of "out of place", the kind of thing that I think at a glance is easy to view as scummy but upon actual scrutiny isn't really scum indicative. With his horrordude vote, he justified it further a couple of times, but despite seemingly having high conviction, didn't push it, eventually saying it was just his opinion. With randomidget he let other people justify the vote for him. All of his argumentation in the game just looks like scum who wants to find votes that he can justify without actually pushing or heavily associating himself with. He doesn't look like he has genuine convictions behind his reads. Top that off with a healthy dose of buddying out of nowhere (looks like just a flat-out attempt to pocket alch and is really weird phrasing out of nowhere if town) and his awful waffling around my wagon, leaving the avenue open to jump on me still without any actual original thought. There have been a lot of lurkers in the game but popo's lurked at the most convenient times for scum to be lurking, when the game just started to develop a lot of heavy back-and-forth in the past few days. He's still coasting off of these two reads that were each based off of a single post. That just doesn't feel like town who's invested in solving the game. If he'd been lurking the entire time I could see it as purely uninvested town but it looks like he wants to look like he's invested without actually investing.

VOTE: popo

Read all of the other things I've said about skygazer. I was never and still am not scumreading her.

Why are you currently voting for her?

For the same reasons that I had voted her and because I wanted to re-iso popo before voting there.

Can we please wagon this kindly. He's done zero that reads townish and a lot that just makes more sense as scum than town.

He also

completely

dropped his train of thought on horrordude when he voted randomidget. He never once questioned everyone shifting away from the wagon, despite no evidence that he saw anything from horror that he thought read as town or counterweighed the things he saw as scummy. If he had a real scumread on horrordude, strong enough for him to mention it several times over the course of multiple posts, he'd have shown some kind of change since his repeated call-outs of horror's invisibility vote as scummy either complaining that the wagon fell apart or agreeing with why the wagon fell apart. He'd have made some comment about horror since then.

reconsider voting me if u think im scum with implosion

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can we just lynch alchemist and get today over with

if he flips town i will self vote tomorrow

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claim changes nothing

why didnt you neighborize anyone night 1 alch, is it a 1 shot ability?

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ayyy

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dont belive the justification for neighboring BBT, dont believe that he actually did it

incredibly convenient that he neighborized the one dude that died n1.

lynch pls

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vote:skitter

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unvote

need 2 think

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vote:laserguy

late on both scum wagons
dont like his jump on the rando wagon

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probably voting nm i think

@horror what do you think about the popo/alch connection now?

i think laser is town, and that popo is prob town on associatives. alonzo is also probably town.

sky and horror also but less strongly than the above

basically the main person i'm not townreading in any way is nm

garbage post

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im just happy we can carry out rc's legacy

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probably voting nm i think

@horror what do you think about the popo/alch connection now?

i think laser is town, and that popo is prob town on associatives. alonzo is also probably town.

sky and horror also but less strongly than the above

basically the main person i'm not townreading in any way is nm

garbage post

ok

why?

u town read everyone in the game except NM, who has not been playing
great insight there bud

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vote:skitter

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well alch and vizzy died so that removed a lot of the muddled mess of scumleans

laser is still town; alonzo is still town; sky i think i sprobably town but not as strongly; the alch scumflip bumped up popo into town too because i dont' think they're scum together

you i don't super strongly townread or anything but i think on balance you're trying to gamesolve; you were kinda town early in the game but the read kinda faded when you became less active end of day2 and early day3 but at the end of day3 i felt like you were more engaged and trying to solve the game

it's not a strong read but like ~nulltown

i don't think nm is town at all or had like flickers of towniness anywhere

yikes

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happy with my vote

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explain the skitter townread to me

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vote:horrordude

this actually works for me tho

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Lol popo I'm not getting lynched today get real.

y not

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HOLY SHIT GUYS IM CLEAR

nice bro good for you

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OH i knew i had another reasoning for townreading skitter: vizzy's result

alchemist didnt neighborize anyone night 1, most likely performed the kill
so skitter could still be scum based off that

pedit: lol

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i think skitter is even more likely town if this tired convoluted logic makes sense:

alch apparently did not neighborize night one. this strongly increases his chances of having performed the night one kill, because claiming to have neighborized the n1 death looks sus af and i don't imagine it would be done lightly. one strong potential reason alch would want to perform the kill: scum have two power roles. if scum thought their potential second power role was more important than the neighborizer in terms of nightplay, that means both scum would be targetting someone on n1. skitter did not visit anyone n1.

i rest my case

i think u went a little 2 deep here

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although alchemist not neighborizing anyone n1 kind of fucked him for the rest of the game. hard to explain..so maybe he did neighbor bbt

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i dont think setup spec gets us anywhere useful tho

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Also lol at popo!town and laser!scum

Lol popo I'm not getting lynched today get real.

these feel bravado-y to me

what is this shade

@skitter did you think these posts were scummy?

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ohhhh with the bodyguard thing it is actually likely that he tried to neighborize bbt esp because that makes sense in terms of pocketing/pr fishing

who knows

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although alchemist not neighborizing anyone n1 kind of fucked him for the rest of the game. hard to explain..so maybe he did neighbor bbt

What's the scum motivation for intentionally neighborizing the person you know is going to be dead, especially when it would give 2/3 scum visits a tracker guilty?

BBT (99% sure) wasn't the target of the night kill, he was a bodyguard

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so they didnt know he was going to be dead..

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does anyone actually think nm will flip red?

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Shitter or horrordude

based

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Shitter or horrordude

so vote one of them

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yikes we really out here

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lets just chill

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i feel like skitter today, horrordude tomorrow nets us the win over 50% of the time

maybe we mass claim here >.>

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bro i have

skitter and horror are my choices for the lynces

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Reminder to all I'm V/LA on Sundays and Mondays. Heading to the Raiders game tonight, I'll be back tomorrow.

lmfao the raiders r gona be so ass this year

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gruden is a clown, clueless

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what do u want me to say

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<Vote Count 2.5

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Not_Mafia:

LaserGuy:

Invisibility:

Alchemist21: RadiantCowbells, horrordude0215, Skygazer

Alonzo:

randomidget: popopopopopopo, LaserGuy, Invisibility, Alonzo, Not_Mafia, RadiantCowbells [Hammer]

RadiantCowbells:

popopopopopopo:

skitter30:

Skygazer: skitter30

horrordude0215: Alchemist21

Not Voting: randomidget
Extend the Deadline:

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2018-08-30 19:41:19)

the randomidget wagon on day 2 is giving me trouble here. i find it hard to believe that there wasnt any scum on it considering how fast the wagon developed.

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it also seems like laserguy is universally townread for not much reasoning, need to look into that
im probably the nk tonight so im actually gonna put some effort in today, lets not quicklynch anyone

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i find it hard to believe that there wasnt any scum on it considering how fast the wagon developed.

Why wouldn't that wagon develop quickly? it's the the only time you posted a wall all game when you cased RM and it was stronger than RC's laboured push on alch at that point in the game. I look at that wago and the only votes I really question are yours and Lasers.

i guess that makes sense. maybe im overthinking

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ok
im a vt as yall already know

skitter next

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skitter what kind of snek r u

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thats one mean lookin mother fucker

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vote:horror

suppose i had to make a decision

that's l-1

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horror, what's the scum motivation for the joke vote?

I'm personally used to the "if I think it's a vote, it counts" rule.

I think that if the lynch had went through, it's something that could be written off as an accidental quickhammer rather than an opportunistic scum vote.

What's the town motivation for the joke vote?

What's the town motivation for the joke vote?

Cheekiness.

What's the town motivation for the joke vote?

Cheekiness.

Why is cheekiness more likely to be town motivated?

Why is cheekiness more likely to be town motivated?

It's not necessarily, and I'm not claiming it is. But it certainly can be.

Do you think scum would be particularly likely to take the kind of risk to make that kind of vote, explicitly say to the moderator that they didn't want it to count as a vote, and then wait for someone to quickhammer? I find it hard to put stock into that.

Do you think scum would be particularly likely to take the kind of risk to make that kind of vote, explicitly say to the moderator that they didn't want it to count as a vote, and then wait for someone to quickhammer? I find it hard to put stock into that.

There was an L-1 announcement in the thread less than 10 posts before the vote. Based on that fact, I'd put the fake vote as more likely to come from scum than town. Either way, invisibility really hasn't done anything else at this point so I'm okay with my vote for now.

horror, what's the scum motivation for the joke vote?

I actually completely missed this

I'm personally used to the "if I think it's a vote, it counts" rule.

I think that if the lynch had went through, it's something that could be written off as an accidental quickhammer rather than an opportunistic scum vote.

i can see this exchange being 2 scum talking to each other tbh

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I also do want to hear more from popo about the vote. Both popo->horror and horror->invisibility sort of look like lazy scum votes. They're both really easy things to vote for, though I don't think horror's is especially likely to be indicative of scum.

here implosion says that horror's vote on invis looked like a lazy scum vote
then in the VERY NEXT SENTENCE he says that horror's vote isn't "especially likely to be indicative of scum"

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im also worried about alonzo because i think northsidegal replacing out might be a scumtell for her

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i think skitter can be town tbh

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yea she also replaced out as scum in game i recently finished (micro 817)

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yea she didnt site flake

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ordinarily?

absolutely her flaking is scum indicative for her.

but she's site flaked entirely which I don't think is especially scum indicative for her. I wish I had something to read her off of before she site flaked but I don't.

so since she didnt site flake, all that i get from this post is "absolutely her flaking is scum indicative for her"

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i mean the one thing that im super worried about is laser being scum, but everyone seems so sure he is town

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Are you ready Alonzo? I'm getting my balls out.

I was really having a hard time solidifying my reads because things have gotten a bit jumbled, so I reread a shit ton and did ISO reads on all of the living players + alch (holy shit skitter yours took forever) and I think I have a better idea of where I'm at. Without further ado:

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         Neutral
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Scum  /  3  4  5  \  Town
Lean / 2         6 \ Lean
    /           /   \
   / 1         /   7 \
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Scum 0       /     8 Town
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This is referencing a game he and I were just in where a newer player broke out this little tool in the middle of day 1 to try and get pressure off of his building wagon. I thought it was a good tool, but his implementation of it was less than brilliant. In a fun and ironic turn of events, I ended up using the same scale/ranking system later on in the day to help push his lynch and it lead town to a Day 1 win. I found it really helps me get a good grasp on where my reads are at when things are a little muddled for me. Ranking is from 0 (people that are basically confscum) to 8 (clears and people that are basically conftown). It's pretty straightforward and the order below is from town to scum... here ya go.

Skygazer

- Just getting this out of the way now because she's clear. Damn, this is easy so far.

Final read:

8

LaserGuy

- I've felt pretty good about Laser from early on - he's shown good attempts at gamesolving and scumhunting and has been the only person that I've consistently townread. He was pushing implosion early on. His Day 2 ISO isn't great being on the Alch counterwagon, but I think his play on Day 1 and 3 makes me overlook that, being on and pushing both of the scum wagons.

Current Read:

6.5

popopopopopopo

- I haven't liked popo's lack of content this game (he hasn't really done much aside from the random push Day 2), but after looking at his ISO I'm realizing I'm probably wrong about my read on him so far. He basically lolhammered implosion and was pushing Alch for most of yesterday, so if he's scum he has been driving the bus the entire time. He's about on the same level as Laser because of that, probably a step lower because of his general lack of content, but his reads have been better than mine at least at this point.

Current Read:

5.5

Not_Mafia

- I said it before, this is a slot that is basically always playing as null as possible, and that's continuing here. All of his votes have been on whatever wagon would end the day the fastest. He's the best lynch today though because we have the extra mislynch and the lolhammer shouldn't be anywhere near lylo, and my POE has him as at least a 1/3 chance of being scum right now.

Current read:

4

skitter30

- This is a hard slot to call for me at the moment. Skitter seemed like a pretty easy townread based on content, but her votes have been making me rethink that. She was voting for Sky at the end of both Day 1 and 2, and I don't know if I really credit her with the Alch hammer given that N_M would have done it in his next post anyways. Alch seemed pretty distant with skitter compared to other players. In fact... Alch never really reads skitter at all in the game. 627 is the closest that I can find in his ISO of giving any opinion about skitter's slot at all, yet he feels the need to bring her in the neighborhood in 1282 to help prove his invisibility read? When I add that to the strange situation of alch potentially doing the kill Night 1, the only explanation I can think of is that it was a calculated move because skitter was more of a tracker risk.

Current Read:

2.5

Alonzo

- All of Day 1 here was spent pushing the N_M policy lynch. Day 2 he tunnels on N_M some more and then baits the lolhammer he know would be coming in 841 followed by chainsawing Alch in 843. 938 is about where we start to see the tunnel vision goggles start to come off, and then he appears to effort a bit for Day 3 after being brought up to L-1, but the end result was him not voting at deadline. 1151, 1153, and 1155 look really bad in hindsight as well. His play today has been nothing short of baffling - he suddenly wants to see N_M's towngame in 1436, but that wasn't enough for him back in 309. I don't really buy the "oh no, what if he's town?" read that directly contradicts his penultimate vote yesterday. He's 0 for 3 on lynch wagons, and his content started going downhill once his wagon went away yesterday.

Current Read:

2

My cards are on the table - happy to dialogue about any or all of this with anyone around. I'm still going to stick with the N_M vote today, Alonzo and Skitter would follow at this point.

specifically im calling this post fraudulent.

yea i dont like this post either

2 townreads 2 scumreads and a null, its too neat, and it opens him up to pushing alonzo or skitter the next day depending on what's best for him..


i think horror is the last scum here, if he's not its probably alonzo

[popopopopopopo]

come on bro...

[popopopopopopo]

nahh do it

[popopopopopopo]

god damnit

[popopopopopopo]

yeah im town

[popopopopopopo]

yea as i said, im town

[popopopopopopo]

im gonna read this whole game

[popopopopopopo]

what do you mean lol? i didnt quickhammer lol

[popopopopopopo]

why havent u voted laser yet alonzo

[popopopopopopo]

i feel like my brain says alonzo but my gut says laser

[popopopopopopo]

vote:alonzo

[popopopopopopo]

lame