Mini 2028: SSBUPick [And The Winner Is...]

[Toogeloo]

Checking in. I don't play Mafia on Sundays so I can spend time with my family. I'll see you all tomorrow!

[Toogeloo]

You're an IC. You have no reason to claim what so ever no one needs to ask it's your info. You're the IC you could use your visit claim for other reasons. Fake guilty claims etc. You gave away info to the mafia that wasn't needed

Maybe it's an elaborate ruse to WIFOM the scum teams and Friday is actually the Town Doc lol.

[Toogeloo]

What's with the post count numbers after each player in the Votals?

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Vote: DoubtingThomas

That entry felt super forced >_>.

[Toogeloo]

Also, full disclosure...

I've never played a SSB game. I like a lot of the Nintendo franchises though, so I know most the characters.

[Toogeloo]

why does DT feel forced?

The whole, "Hi boys, I'm town." thing, followed up by the smartass Fate vote. Just felt off to me.

[Toogeloo]

I wouldn't be so bold but I'm bulletproof and immortal so HehehEHAHHAHAHA

[Toogeloo]

No one knows me as Baku but you, so don't confuse the poor plebs. It'd be like me calling you Angel Archer.

[Toogeloo]

VOTE: mariar for now. IIRC, she appears scummier than she actually is but I'm ok putting this here meow.

Btw, hi Maria!

OH MY GOD KURO YOU'RE AROUND YAYYY! Hi Kuro! Your vote is a little confusing because it feels like the reason you gave for voting me is a reason to

not

vote me unless I am misunderstanding

No, it's a little puzzling with the wording.

"You're not really scummy, but you look like you should be!"

Then again, I keep reading this:

PROTIP next time bus MariaR you might've stood a chance

...like Fate just said Thomas should have bussed you

instead

of him, so either the three of you are scum together, or my reading comprehension is garbage

[Toogeloo]

@SeaDragon, I get the feeling you didn't agree with the way MariaR was voted by Kuroi, but you are voting MariaR. How did you reach the conclusion that Maria may be more likely scum than Kuroi?

[Toogeloo]

It's not about what you're saying, it's about why you're saying it. That's the point. The volume doesn't matter. But I'll say it's TvT for now if you guys sheep my Nico wagon.

VOTE: nicoRobin good lynch.

Nico has had one post with

what appears to possibly, maybe be

a random vote. And who are you stating is TvT exactly? (I'm assuming Maria is one of them)

[Toogeloo]

@Maria
You seem rather calm, so do you think there aren't that many serious votes on you currently?

[Toogeloo]

I'll admit, I misread that. However, part of my position wasn't just the claim of being (in) town, but also the smart ass approach to voting Fate which also felt a bit forced.

[Toogeloo]

And if people are bad enough that they scumread me for my town trait, then I am replacing out, and never playing again. I don't wanna put up with BS such as that..... :/

May not be the game for you if you can't take being called scum for inane reasons. Threatening to replace out because you feel like you are town telling and no one sees or agrees with it isn't conducive to the mentality required to play this game, and to be quite frank, don't let the door hit you on the way out if you can't handle being called out. I don't like the defensive attitude and meaningless threat to replace out just because someone wants to lynch you. It's cowardice. As scum, if you got caught early, your threat simply means you hope that a replacement can save your team. As town, it means you couldn't handle the pressure of the game.

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DT's got some spunk all of a sudden. What's your opinion of me, DT, considering I'm the only one still voting you and was (I think) the first person to call your posts forced?

[Toogeloo]

I want to read me based on content/my meta. And contrary to what you believe, most people here use meta to read players.

I'd love to see proof of this.

I treat every game as self contained, and I've never researched players or even held their play styles to them. Players who are aware of their meta can and will use it to change their appearance as necessary. Scum will try to look more town, town with power may try to act more scummy, etc... So I play on a game by game basis and throw out past games as much as possible.

[Toogeloo]

Well Fate just made my point for why DT is town.

Fate is the reason I don't want to lynch you so I'll have to pass.

Well I do find Fate to be pretty Townie. It was him that brought the logic that strong scum would buss you if they decided to go that route. It dissuaded me from wanting you lynched but your tone is scum all the way, I'll say that at least.

Could you explain this line of thought, please? You think Fate is town because he wouldn't bus DT? DT has a scummy tone, but you think he's town? How do these thoughts coexist?

Don't forget this is also Multi-ball, a Red Team and a Blue Team. Does this influence your reads at all, or do you still feel Fate and DT are town?

[Toogeloo]

Well, my case was that I called your posts forced, which is where you got traction in the first place, and what you've been getting angry about when you attacked Fate.

[Toogeloo]

what do you mean 'what you've been getting angry about when you attacked Fate.'?

You attacked Fate because he endorsed the fact that your posts felt forced, when I was actually the first person to say it. So my question is why are you getting angry at him, but not me?

also, saying stuff like, "which is where you got traction in the first place" sound pretty scummy. like it sounds like you are trying to imply part of the reason why you voted me is because others were voting me which is what scums do. try to mislynch people when townies are trying to vote that person.

I was the first vote on you, so I followed no one.

[Toogeloo]

I was thinking about how inane the Enigma vs Nico thing was today.

-Despite actual scummy behavior from other players, Enigma votes Nico calling her a "good lynch" for literally being a low post count player in a game that just started.
-Nico pops in about an hour later and instantly goes off the deep end about her self meta being an inactive player as town.

At first, it seemed to me that Nico's reaction was definitely poor, and far too defensive while still putting almost no effort into game solving at all. However, the more I think on it, I am getting same team vibes from Enigma and Nico. The whole situation seems to gone off the dramatic deep end, and feels really off to me. Enigma has made no effort to hunt outside of Nico, claiming PoE on all the active posters, and yet no case has really evolved on Nico either. Nico has made no effort to hunt at all either, and constantly uses self meta to challenge the group.

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Probably a team: DT, Toog

Explain?

Gamma going around everyone asking why he is a low scum read when he hasn't done much to be town read sounds like a nervous kitty who wants its master's approval

bad bad look

Nice OMGUS.


Reads:
1. Kokichi Oma

(null)

2. SeaDragon (ManateeDude + Eragon)

(lean town)

3. Gamma Emerald

(null)

4. popopopopopopo
5. KuroiXHF

(null)

6. NicoRobin

(scum lean)

7. Lady Angel

(null)

8. Toogeloo

(moi)

9. Prof Fridays

(conftown)

10. MariaR

(flip flopping on this read a bit. I don't think she's team with DT though)

11. Fate

(it's Fate, who knows)

12. RCEnigma

(slight scum lean)

13. DoubtingThomas

(scum lean)

[Toogeloo]

Oh, I forgot to put something next to po-cubed. I'll list him as a slight town lean I guess.

[Toogeloo]

Yeah I'm not getting the DT scumreads at all. Someone explain

I'm probably the only one who still has a scum read on him. I just didn't like his entrance to the game.

Unvote;
Vote: MariaR

Most my town reads are on this wagon, and DT isn't going anywhere anymore. I like my po-cubed read over my MariaR read.

Maria, give me some thoughts on the game, your wagon, life, the universe and everything. No answering 42.

[Toogeloo]

I don't really even get why most people are scumreading me besides I believe popo who made his thoughts clear.
I will say I'm not claiming because my claim is too important and I will die right away if I do claim so we can get that out of the way right now.

What was the point of even mentioning it then? I mean, you seriously gave Friday a hard time when the game started about his claim, and now you basically soft a claim as well. I'm trying to get you to game solve. I have been flip flopping on your slot, but thus far all I remember of you is you town read DT.

[Toogeloo]

I also really hate how DT says he's OK with sheeping. Even if he's willing to sheep the confirmed townie, it doesn't mean the townie is any good at scum hunting.

It'd be nice if the conf townie even had input tbqh. Did becoming an IC make Friday's completely ambivalent to the game? However, I just Ctrl+F'd DT's ISO and I didn't see mention of him saying he was sheeping. DT's been angry posting mostly.

[Toogeloo]

Actually...

Unvote

...I don't like my current vote either.

Doing a quick check on something.

[Toogeloo]

UNOFFICIAL
Just for reference...

Votecount 1.1

popopopopopopo(3)

~ LadyAngel(2), MariaR(39), KuroiXHF(12)

MariaR(3)

~ SeaDragon(24), Fate(22), popopopopopopo(18)

Fate(2)

~ NicoRobin(19), DoubtingThomas(32)

NicoRobin(1)

~ RCEnigma(47)

LadyAngel(1)

~ Prof Fridays(4)

DoubtingThomas(1)

~ Gamma Emerald(25)


Not Voting (2): Kokichi Oma(18), Toogeloo(23)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-09-02 16:50:00)

[Toogeloo]

Looking at the VC, I don't like the popopopopopopoppopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopo wagon. It doesn't really have any legs, and it looks like mostly a fluke that it's even the leading lynch at the moment.

I find myself still flip flopping on MariaR. I could put my vote back on her, but I feel like I would much rather have a vote elsewhere.
Namely...
-Nico (Not a fan of the Enigma interactions, smells)
-Enigma (Not a fan of the Nico interactions, smells)
-LadyAngel (needs more presence so reads can be better established)
-DT (probably still my biggest gut scum read atm)

Fridays needs to post more. As an IC, their POV is rather important.

Gonna sleep on this and replace my vote tomorrow I think.

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PEDIT: It bothers me because your opening post seems to convey keeping a tight vest on claims and burning Fridays about it, and then, completely unprovoked, you soft claimed. It makes no sense.

[Toogeloo]

I have listed all my reads if you want to go "Hey Maria why do you tr/sr X" go ahead.

Who would you be voting right now if po-cubed was off the table?

[Toogeloo]

Fine... whatever. Off to bed.

[Toogeloo]

So, what exactly has LadyAngel done to warrant a scum read? Not posting is non-alignment indicative, unless she's really active outside this game. (I'm not talking about other games, to protect myself from suspected cheating. I mean like in the social areas of the site). Do you think she's lurking?

A vote by me on her wouldn't be anything other than pressure. I didn't specifically call her scum, just someone that shouldn't be ignored and allowed to lurk so that we can actually discern her alignment. It's still early in the game, and the more interactions the better to solidify reads in the first place.

[Toogeloo]

To your other point Toog im not scumhunting today, if I'm around tomorrow if paints a better picture for me. Till then I'll townhunt.

Vote: RCEnigma

[Toogeloo]

Toog what kind of vote is that

I hadn't had my coffee yet. My brain was telling me that Enigma just said "it's hard to scum hunt on Day 1," and I thought to myself, "yeah, scum hunting as scum is hard."

Unvote;
Vote: DoubtingThomas

Back where I started.

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Gamma is moving up my to my town reads.

[Toogeloo]

OK. You just confused me. Who's partners with Nico? Are you referring to scum buddies? Because reading that, it seems like you were referring to Toog being partners with Nico but then you just said, you think he's just a paranoid town?

Can you clarify, please?

I'm assuming he means that I think Enigma and Nico are bussing buddies.

[Toogeloo]

I also hope we aren't losing steam. I feel like conversation has died a bit.

Yeah, I checked back at least twice yesterday to see that only a handful of posts had happened each time. However, I don't think there has been a lot of steam to begin with either. Game started relatively slowly as well, and generally speaking hasn't really had any on fire moments.

@Fate - Give me some of your big opinions of the player list. Stop begging me to be town/not scum, let me hear some actual content from you. You are one of the players in the game that I actually value reads from, and I would rather sort you sooner than later, especially given it's multi-ball.

I've kind of exhausted most of my avenues of thought at the moment, and I really just want to see some more posts to give me new things to think about. Lady Angel is about as useful as screen doors on a submarine, and I hate those kind of players that do nothing all game.

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@mod

I know prod ranges are 48 hours, but could we amend it to possibly include posts requiring some sort of game forwarding content as well?

Rule 1 for Activity/Prods amended to include that.
-Kor

[Toogeloo]

I just got back home and school is starting next week, so ima be less active, but

Hopefully I’ll be able to catchup today

Your last post was at the top of this page, and the game is only 15 pages long. I can't imagine "catching up" to be all that time consuming for a hydra.

[Toogeloo]

hmm Fate why the vote on Popopo? Do you believe popopo AND Maria are on scum teams?

Any reason why they can't be? Multi-ball, remember?

Trying to determine if you are actually forgetting this, or if you are playing dumb

[Toogeloo]

I feel like I need to post just for the sake of posting right now. One of two things is happening here, I think.

1) People are just really apathetic about this game.
2) People are more interested in power solving.

Either way, I think we need a lynch sooner than later.

[Toogeloo]

Unvote;
Vote: popopopopopopo

Just checked the Mathvote thingy. That should be L-2.

I think Nico would actually be a better lynch, and he's in second lynch spot with two votes, but pox7 is the closest to threshold currently. Make no mistakes, pox7 is actually someone I was leaning town on more than other players, but I think this needs to happen given the current game state.

PEDIT: Power solving... i.e. we are all power roles, so people may much prefer using Night Actions to figure the game out instead of discussion.

[Toogeloo]

Maybe I just misunderstood where you were going with that.

[Toogeloo]

@pox7 - Any reads or content you want to post? Just claiming and disappearing isn't helping matters.

[Toogeloo]

It's been almost 24 hours since the claim, and painfully little has happened. No one's even fighting to lynch someone other than pox7 (which should be setting off a few bells and whistles), but obviously people aren't interested in day 1 scum hunting, so let's just get a lynch over with so people can try power solving the game.

[Toogeloo]

MOD Notice

As you guys get ready to start the game, you hear someone call out "It's a-me Dr. Mario!"
You all look up to see Prof Fridays standing there...

Prof Fridays has been confirmed to be Dr. Mario, Member of the Green Team!

(Prof Fridays is confirmed to be Town and Dr. Mario)

Prof Fridays is V/LA until August 20th, 2018 (Monday)

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I can't possibly see that as a scum read though, that's just way too dense. Have you read anything of the game Frank?

[Toogeloo]

Votecount 1.3

MariaR(3)

~ KuroiXHF(2), SeaDragon(5), Fate(12)

popopopopopopo(2)

~ LadyAngel(1), MariaR(11)

LadyAngel(2)

~ Prof Fridays(3), RCEnigma(6)

Fate(2)

~ NicoRobin(1), DoubtingThomas(2)

DoubtingThomas(2)

~ Toogeloo(8), popopopopopopo(7)

RCEnigma(1)

~ Gamma Emerald(4)


Not Voting (1): Kokichi Oma(1)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-09-02 16:50:00)

Votecount 1.4

MariaR(4)

~ KuroiXHF(2), SeaDragon(19), Fate(19), popopopopopopo(14)

popopopopopopo(2)

~ LadyAngel(1), MariaR(17)

Fate(2)

~ NicoRobin(3), DoubtingThomas(7)

RCEnigma(1)

~ Gamma Emerald(4)

NicoRobin(1)

~ RCEnigma(24)

LadyAngel(1)

~ Prof Fridays(3)

DoubtingThomas(1)

~ Toogeloo(12)


Not Voting (1): Kokichi Oma(1)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-09-02 16:50:00)

I'm going to say that MariaR is likely not Red Team. For most of the first half of Day 1, she seemed to be the biggest contender against the pox7 lynch.

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Hmm lots of V/LAs and slowed momentum

VOTE: Popopopop

Toog don't be scum pls

T_T

This was the tide turning vote after the game had more or less stalled at 3 votes each for pox7 and MariaR. Gut is telling me it could be a bus.

Of course, I was right after that, and a staunch defender of pox7 too, so I'm aware of the black kettleness of that gut read.

[Toogeloo]

I skimmed PoPo's ISO and feel Maria and DT are probably both cleared from Red team at the very least because i dont see Red!Popopo trying to hard-bus D1.

I think Toog and Fate have

maybe

1 Red in between them, but never 2.

Frank is probably be a buddy becuase he had them as scum lean but never really did anything to push or vote, especially becuase he said "it might just be playstlyle so give it a shot"

so from the flip alone

Never Red-(DT/Maria)

Maybe 1 Red-(Toog/fate)

Probably Red- (Frank)

Get out of my head.

[Toogeloo]

Another reason my gut keeps pinging on Fate is how much he keeps trying to butter me up with the "please be town," stuff. Fate and I have history even outside of MS, and I have a tendency to town read players who stroke my ego sometimes, which is something he'd be more than aware of.

@RCEnigma, explain where you have confidence in your red pool of Kokichi, Kuroi, Nico\Jaeger, LA, Gamma? Why wouldn't Red bus considering how atrophic yesterday was?

[Toogeloo]

Toog can I ask, if you Scumread me and think I'm bussing Nico/Frank...dont you think hanging Frank is worth a shot?

I pointed out yesterday how no one was really willing to join that wagon despite Nico's poor reactions and a fair amount of people scumreading her for it. I just found it odd.

I was figuring that very thing. My thought process was basically if Nico flipped non-green, it wasn't going to improve my view of you. Problem became that inactivity bred desperation to move the game along, and then Nico replaced out.

Honestly, I kind of want to scrub most my Day 1 reads and reevaluate a bit, but it's going to require activity that we just didn't get yesterday, and today has had a slow start as well.

I would like Fate to come in here with some real content. Gut is screaming at me that he's shady, but I want a bit of activity before I throw down a vote because I think early aggression will cause other players who require attention to lurk about.

It still bugs me how easy the lynch yesterday was. Red team either bussed or didn't even try. Blue Team is probably on coast right now.

[Toogeloo]

I've never heard of a witch, tbqh. But people call scum "wolves," so I'm guessing it's another colloquialism of mafia that is interchangable with a role.

Bus Drivers though do tend to target 2 players and have them switch their targets. So if what SeaDragon and Maria believe might be true, SeaDragon targeted whoever Maria intended to, and vice versa. Whatever you delve from that information might only be useful if you two work it out, but you both have basically claimed to having active power roles as a result. I know it's role madness, but that doesn't necessarily mean everyone has an active role or that you may want to disclose that information as of yet.

[Toogeloo]

TOOG YOU WANT TO THROW DOWN?

BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT FLIP DAMNS YOU TO HELL

VOTE: TOOGELOO

Classic Fate. Gets suspected, goes into hyperagro mode to try and back down his accusers.

I'll read later, I'll sheep fate now. It'll be like reading now and sheeping fate later but save time, especially if I don't read later.

vote:toogeloo

Not suspicious in the least that my Day 1 scum read's replacement is now voting me along side my Day 2 scum read. Nope, not at all.

He goes to voting DT when the only other wagon I would've accepted was popopopopop (that read was on the DL for me, don't care if it implicates me. I felt solidly town read enough to not need to out more of my reads.

I rest my case

I have literally no idea what you are even accusing me of here. Enlighten us, please.


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Why the interest in a 1v1 when it is clearly anti-town in a multi-ball setting in a game that is already extremely low in activity. Oddly enough, for the first time in our history, I feel confident that I would win this 1v1 too, so it seems near suicidal for you to even dive at me like that.

[Toogeloo]

No no bus driver makes it so whoever the bus driver targets anything happening to player A happens to player B and whatever happens to player B happens to player A.

So if player C and D were bus drove and someone tried to cop player C they'd instead get a result on player D

Erm, yeah. Been a while since I've seen one either way.

So it’s basiclaly just a transporter?

But if in fact we do have an action that reveals results, would they be the same as we had attempted?

Without knowing who the new target was, it probably doesn't do you any good. If you and MariaR targeted different people, then you'd probably be able to suss it out on the results, but if you both targeted the same person, then you probably won't know what to make of your results.

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PEdit: I was on DT near 90% of the day. He was my first serious vote. popo got steam because of both you and I making the switch to even get a lynch in the first place, so whatever case you have on me works just as well on you.

[Toogeloo]

You aren't going to bait me into a 1v1 and shut down discussion of the rest of the game. What are your other reads?
Also, Fate, I can call you full of shit on a ton of your posts, but I haven't felt the need to yet. I'll give you a hint though, I'm Samus.

[Toogeloo]

Need someone to explain the toog scumread

It's just agroFate and a sheep. Fate rode me all day yesterday, pleading and thanking me for being town, and then when I stated that I had a gut scum lean on him as a potential bus of pox7, he tried to flip the script and put it on me. He completely bailed out too, so don't think anything more of it. Fate's probably scum, but with the apathy of the game, he couldn't get a train to follow on me. I refuse to turn this into a 1v1 though and we need to get more input from players.

[Toogeloo]

Possibly bussing. I agree with a lot of this but I also scum read you.

This echoes how I felt Day 1, however I've been reconsidering it.

Currently, the read on Enigma hinges on him bussing, though his whole read on the Nico/Frank slot was pretty petty to begin with. Nico threatened to quit and followed through. That doesn't seem like the outcome of bussing partners.

"Hey, Nico, can I bus you?"
"If you do, I'll replace out."
"Cool. Ok, gonna bus you."

It's far too elaborate and I can't even imagine why someone would sign up to play a game only to replace out if their partner bussed them.

[Toogeloo]

1. Kokichi Oma -

null

2. SeaDragon (ManateeDude + Eragon)* -

slight town lean

3. Gamma Emerald -

slight town lean

4.

popopopopopopo

-

deadscum

5. KuroiXHF -

null

6. FrankJaeger replaced NicoRobin* -

very slight town lean

7. Lady Angel* -

null

8. Toogeloo -

this guy

9. Prof Fridays -

conftown

10. MariaR -

town lean / not red

11. Fate -

scum lean

12. RCEnigma -

jury's out

13. Panzerjager replaced DoubtingThomas -

scum lean

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If you are null, I need more posting and interactions from you please.

[Toogeloo]

So now I'm scum because I'm not with Nico/Frank?

Nah, I'm reevaluating your slot, need you to do something other than focus on Nico/Frank though.

[Toogeloo]

Basically, I don't think you two are partners and bussing, but it doesn't mean you are town read yet because I have no read on you outside of your Nico/Frank interaction.

[Toogeloo]

It's above frustrating to check the thread three or so times a day and see nothing new worth talking about.

[Toogeloo]

Hi. Why is sea dragon town

They've been emulating a lot of the same thoughts I have, both Day 1 and Day 2 so far. They are probably like 3rd-5th in my "no lynching" pool behind players like obvFridays and Maria.

[Toogeloo]

cause fate is good player and i am bad player. Also I agree that toog is scum from what little i read.

What's your scum case on me from the little that you've read?

[Toogeloo]

@pox7 - Any reads or content you want to post? Just claiming and disappearing isn't helping matters.

sounds

mad

coaching

scum

buddy

k


thx

~ PT: You may privately speak during the day and night. The Mafia PT is here.

Scum have Day Talk, why would I need to coach pox7 in thread?

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Don't disappoint me Fridays by this jedi mind trick of toog "oh I wont devolve the town into this 1v1"

WHEN HE THINKS THAT I AM IN FACT SCUM>???? the fuck kind of mindset is that

I have a scum read on DT/Frank slot too, and I haven't voted them. Could be a reason behind it all, hmm? Despite all that, I remain firm that a 1v1 in an apathetic game is a bad idea. Having just recently played a game of mafia where the game devolved into 1v1 duels, it doesn't do service to scum hunt if the game revolves around a single set of people.

I call you a gut scum, and you voting me, is glorified OMGUS.


What are your other reads Fate? Who else is scum? Or are you solely hoping to gamble that you can death tunnel and get a mislynch on one of the only active players in the game so that the rest of it becomes a cake walk?

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cause fate is good player and i am bad player. Also I agree that toog is scum from what little i read.

What's your scum case on me from the little that you've read?

ohai.
Wanted to answer my question?

I've looked, and I couldn't see a question aimed at me that I haven't already answered, what are you referring to?

this sounds like a good thread of logic
VOTE: Toogeloo

Fate will paint any picture that he can. It's not good logic if you look at all the facts, like how I just pointed out that scum have Day Talk.

[Toogeloo]

I have a scum read on DT/Frank slot too

EBWOP, scum read on DT/Panzer. The Jaeger thing is confusing me.

[Toogeloo]

Hi. Why is sea dragon town

They've been emulating a lot of the same thoughts I have, both Day 1 and Day 2 so far. They are probably like 3rd-5th in my "no lynching" pool behind players like obvFridays and Maria.

emulating thoughts doesn't mean also town.

No, but it's Day 2, and if you are saying the same things I am thinking and saying, it's at least enough for me to give you the benefit of the doubt for now. Should I be scum reading you?

[Toogeloo]

Silly question, but if I get roleblocked or misdirected elsewhere, I would be told, right?

SeaDragon and Maria have both claimed to have been "witched," which they are taking to mean they think their target choice was switched on them. So did you get a message similar to that?

If you were blocked, and you were supposed to get information back, like a Cop Scan or something, then you'll probably be notified that your action failed or it was inconclusive if you were blocked. If information you get back is limited, like Tracking or Watching, you might be told that you didn't see anything if you were blocked. If your action doesn't require information returned to you, like Doctoring another player, you probably wouldn't be told anything at all. That's how I've seen blocking handled at least.

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Just iso'd you, Kuroi, and I'd say I'm reasonably confident you aren't aligned with Red Team. You didn't really push pox7 too hard, you just placed an early vote on him and said you didn't like his post, but you left it there when you could have easily moved it at any time, which given how bad activity was, could have been easily enough to get pressure off of pox7. You are engaging people on their reads, but I'm curious as to why you are so concerned with people's opinion of you when you are hardly getting any attention at all.

What do you take from the Fate v. Me thing?

[Toogeloo]

If anyone is red one the popopo lynch it would probably be Lady angel imo.

Eh we're on the same page WaterSnake.

Would you be willing to put a vote down on that to back it up? The Nico/Frank thing isn't going anywhere, so it would be nice to see a little more aggression on other slots you scum read.

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@Lady Angel
-What about Maria do you find scummy?
-What do you make of SeaDragon's vote on you?
-RCEnigma has the most posts in the game. No read on him at all, especially given the above?

[Toogeloo]

cause fate is good player and i am bad player. Also I agree that toog is scum from what little i read.

What's your scum case on me from the little that you've read?

[Toogeloo]

Holy crap. 5 pages?

What game have I come back to?

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Now I did not mention Toog or Panzer. I forget at which point but this pairing was brought up and I kept it in mind throughout this day. I can definitely see a Panzer/Toog pairing. It pinged me that way when panzer took an immediate stance against Toog. I dont think this is a red pairing with popopo but I can certainly see this on a blue team IF the team is larger than 2....actually even if the team is 2 considering both sides of this are being largely townread so if one side flips blue or red then the other side is psuedocleared? I could be way off base but it's giving me a bad vibe overall.

Explain this to me, I think I'm reading it wrong. What do you mean that if one of panzerjager or I flips red/blue, the other is pseudocleared? Because it looked like you were also suggesting that we are a team (The irony of which is not lost on me with my calling you a team with Nico early on). I need clarification on this read though, and I'd like you to expand more on it.

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Town Poisoner doesn't seem unheard of, especially considering that's a lot of restrictions for a town kill. The kill is delayed, so can a Doc protect it either night? Having to be on a scum lynch really neuters the effect of it being a vig too since it's a reward for being on a correct lynch instead of taking matters into your own hands and killing a scummy player as a vig usually would do, especially if they can't get support for their candidate.

That being said, I don't get Maria's mindset. She bashes Friday's for claiming, and then soft claims the very same day. Then she refuses to claim saying it would implicate her (or something of the sort), and then all of a sudden up and claims when it really didn't seem to have a big impact on the discussion at hand.

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Without much info to go on, my original suspicion of the Blue Team was they are Serial Killer or Survivor or something. Just a single individual, because I kind of feel the same way as Maria that two teams of three is definitely a bit much in a 13 player game.

[Toogeloo]

That being said, I don't get Maria's mindset. She bashes Friday's for claiming, and then soft claims the very same day. Then she refuses to claim saying it would implicate her (or something of the sort), and then all of a sudden up and claims when it really didn't seem to have a big impact on the discussion at hand.

This isn't a case against her, I'm just scratching my head.

[Toogeloo]

There definitely seems to have been a lot of stopped or changed activity last night.

[Toogeloo]

My apologies, I've completely lost my momentum in this game. There is a game related reason as to why I have not voted, and it may stay that way through the day.

I don't really want to lynch Kuroi today, and to be quite honest, I think we should maybe take the opportunity to lynch one of the more questionable slots in the game. Day 1 Scum Lynch, no kills last night, it's practically begging us to gamble on a slot we wouldn't want around end game anyways.

[Toogeloo]

If we lynch Lady, we could save an extra death from happening due to poison, if that truly what's going to happen. We learn nothing in regards to whether the poison is actually real, or happened at all, but if Lady flips Blue, MariaR could possibly be pseudocleared town. Lady's stances have been a bit more clear though, while Frank has been jabbing from the sideline. Lady has less support for a lynch over Frank though, and if I had to pick between the two of them, I'd probably pick Frank to lynch over Lady as well. I think Panzerjager would be a good option as well. He's done nothing other than sheep Fate and keep active enough to stay in the game.

[Toogeloo]

Toog im not sure if that's a slip, or if you just got people mixed up. But Maria never claimed LadyAngel as her poison target. So if she does die to poison, it won't look good for you.

Nah, I forgot who it was is all. I remembered it was someone fairly inactive, and tbqh, I didn't even remember Kokichi was even in the game. Like I said, my motivation in this game has severely dwindled. I'm getting the vibe that no one wants to even play.

[Toogeloo]

Let's just lynch whomever is the current leader, get the day over, see if new night actions bring anything to the table. I was hyped because I like my character, but my interest has severely wanted and I'm just floating at this point. There just isn't enough activity, and a lot of players are literally posting once every 48 hours.

[Toogeloo]

I already said I forgot who it was that was being called poisoned, and I was already corrected both on that and the fact that it was a Gambit on Maria's part as well. The get is slow as hell, so not sure why that's needed to be brought up twice after the fact at this point.

I was paying a lot more attention to this game this time last week. I probably should replace out (which I absolutely hate doing) if this keeps up.

[Toogeloo]

Ffs people.

[Toogeloo]

Let's just lynch whomever is the current leader, get the day over, see if new night actions bring anything to the table. I was hyped because I like my character, but my interest has severely wanted and I'm just floating at this point. There just isn't enough activity, and a lot of players are literally posting once every 48 hours.

What do you mean leader?

I want this answered toog

Seriously?

I'm talking about the lynch leader, i.e. the person with the most votes.

[Toogeloo]

Erm...
I’m not gonna warn for this or anything, but, set the hydra account to use a different theme from your main.

The irony.

[Toogeloo]

If I'm still alive on Day 3 and the game is still a slog to get conversations going or nothing of importance has occurred, I'm thinking I'll probably replace out. I was hyped to play, but man this game really took the wind out of my sails pretty quick. It's ironic too considering I just came from a game that was on the other end of the spectrum for activity and couldn't keep up. Be careful what you wish for I guess.

[Toogeloo]

You're thinking if Frank was scum he would hammer himself and not give any scum secrets away like

he otherwise would feed us information about scum #3?

This doesn't seem like town mindset, but rather "Blue Team" mindset. You lumped Frank in with Red Team by stating he wouldn't give away scum #3, and didn't state anything in regards to Blue alignment possibilities.

I'd prefer not to vote because [REDACTED], but this would get a vote from me, and if you and I are alive tomorrow, I will be revisiting this.

[Toogeloo]

Was told I had to post something.
My info is that i was targeted twice last night to be killed, but they didnt go through for some reason.
Im hider but didnt use ability missed deadline. Sorry to town for my lackluster play.

This claim literally makes zero sense.

I am counter claiming. I am Samus, [REDACTED]-Shot Bulletproof and Name Scanner. I have a limited number of Bulletproof vests, and I was trying to draw a night kill by not voting today by trying to bait scum into thinking I couldn't vote because I needed to for some ability. I am literally told when I lose vests, and it's passive. My name scanner is basically just a fake claim checker I think, because I learn nothing except what character my target is. I was roleblocked last night, but I attempted to scan Maria.

So, aside from the fact that I have a hard time believing that a Hider and a Bulletproof exist together on town, the claim in and of itself makes no sense. If he failed to submit, he couldn't have hid. Why would he be informed of how many times he was shot last night? He'd have to have been protected or something, but how many doctors tell their target how many shots they were protected against? For me, it makes complete sense because I have a passive vest, but for a Hider, it makes no sense at all, especially considering he didn't use his ability.

Vote: Frank

PS. I just happened to be watching Football and my wife stepped out to do some shopping, so I was able to read up, and I'm glad I did.

[Toogeloo]

I think a hider is effectively a commuter in which they would be ascetic to all actions correct? So Panzer could have caught himself in a lie if he got a report saying that he visited Frank

Here's the thing. Frank said

TWO

shots were blocked by him somehow. Panzer says that no one visited Frank but him. Frank either is lying out his ass, or other people will now know that Panzer is lying out his ass (Vig, scum, actual watcher, etc...).

That being said, if Panzer wants to reveal his character, I can name scan to confirm, or I can go after someone else. Frank needs to claim his character too regardless.

[Toogeloo]

Yeah, all I get back is people's character name. I don't learn anything about alignment or role.

[Toogeloo]

I've been trying to be aggressively scum hunting since I am Bulletproof and hoping to draw kills. I lost no vests last night, but I was roleblocked (I think...results came back "inconclusive."), so someone out there is scared of me.

[Toogeloo]

Yeah, I've been mentioning all day how weird it is that people have been discussing being blocked and bussed and I had similar issues. But now I don't know what to make of Kuroi's claim either... Because that sounds an awful lot like a Watcher claim after Frank just claimed Watcher.

[Toogeloo]

As flattered as I am, I am completely surprised that neither claimed "watches' happened on conftown Fridays.

[Toogeloo]

Ummm Fate is also kind of important to Franks claim since hes claimed bulletproof already.

I already showed that I doubted his "claim" of being bulletproof....

I wouldn't be so bold but I'm bulletproof and immortal so HehehEHAHHAHAHA

It was so early in the game, I just wrote it off that he was full of hot air since I figured there was no way in hell it would be true.

[Toogeloo]

The only way I can figure that Frank knows he was targeted is if he has a Vest like me. He lied about being a Hider, and is probably Bullletproof as well.

[Toogeloo]

Occam's Razor suggests he is lying about the second shot, maybe his team's shot was blocked by protection or roleblocked.

There just isn't any reason he should be notified that he was shot at if he didn't take an action unless his protection is passive, which it can't be.

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There's also the fact that we had 4? Claims in response to his claim, so if he was going down, he may have just got a mini-win of getting as much power as possible to claim. Let's say he had claimed "cop" and then the real cop countered him. That's still a win for mafia since they now know who the cop is.

PEDIT: It's better to eliminate one faction at a time. Of the two, you lynch the BP first so that if someone *cough cough* wanted to shoot the non-BP, they could.

[Toogeloo]

I have info. I name scanned Panzerjager last night, and I'm curious to see him explain how his name matches his role, because it's not something I would attribute to a Watcher. I can disclose it now, or let him explain, and if what Kuroi says is true, I'd like for him to disclose if anyone visited Fate last night other than himself (no names, just a simple yes or no).

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In regards to the flips. MariaR mentioned something about being bussed, as did SeaDragon yesterday. MariaR had the ability to bus herself with someone else by the looks of it, which is my guess as to what she did on Night 1. So if she bussed herself with another player, it would end up being who I was supposed to name scan, but I still got an inconclusive result from. I can't think of any reason beyond two players having a fire setting ability for why we have two players claiming to be on fire.

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I PMed the Mod during the night in regards to Bulletproof Vests. I was curious because Frank claimed that he got shot twice, which we can't know if it was a lie or not, but he only had one vest. The mod told me that actions are resolved before determining whether a player is supposed to die, and then a Vest is taken into account. So regardless of how many times a player is shot/attacked/poisoned(fire?), only one vest will be consumed per night and prevent that player's death.

[Toogeloo]

and if what Kuroi says is true, I'd like for him to disclose if anyone visited Fate last night other than himself (no names, just a simple yes or no).

EBWOP: I'd like Panzerjager to disclose if anyone visited Fate...

[Toogeloo]

Toog seems outwardly town, yet I'm really curious why he's still alive.

Why is conftown Fridays/Toranaga still alive? Why is it Day 3 and we have 3 dead scum and 1 dead town?

I mean if you look at Day 1 and Day 2, Red team looks like they just rolled over and died before the game even started.

[Toogeloo]

I don't want to full claim, but I have a modality with my character's original franchise and SSB. I can essentially choose one or the other.

Do you care if I reveal your character name and let the town decide as well?

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do you guys need help or game is good as it is?

Who'd you visit last night, just for curiosity sake.

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I also am pretty sure one of Panzer and Kuroi is lying about their claim.

I'll save you.

So you believe Panzer is town now?

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My feelings at the moment are that Fate is last Red Scum. His swing from Day 1 to lynch pox7 from a pivotal possible bussing spot on the day, and the last ditch effort to save Frank yesterday all point at him.
Kuroi is probably Blue, for reasons I mentioned yesterday.
I scanned Panzer last night, and I have a hard time swallowing his character name as Watcher tbqh. My result came back as "Your Target is...," so I suppose it's entirely possible I got messed with, especially considering all the shenanigans this game has had so far, but if I were betting, I'd probably say Panzer is also Blue.

Gamma and Kokichi Oma fall into PoE after those 3 if I am wrong on anything.

[Toogeloo]

Panzer is Pikachu. I am going full tin foil that he was probably using SeaDragon's Watch results since I can't understand what makes Pikachu a Watcher. That being said, I don't understand why Ryu is a Compulsive Poisoner Busdriver either, or a Wii Fit Trainer roleblocks while protecting, but whatever.

ISOing DT, he was all about lynching Nico Day 1. What kind of Watcher watches his scum reads? Panzer's watch on Fate last night makes some semblance of sense since he was sheeping Fate hard yesterday, but Fate's been really bad this game and makes a fairly questionable watch as well.

All that being said, Kuroi looks like he's basically conceded, so I'm willing to wait on this for now.

Vote: Kuroi

[Toogeloo]

I name scanned Kokichi last night. She is Zero Suit Samus,

which was my #1 pick when the game started, with Samus Aran and Ridley being #2 and #3 respectively (I'm a Metroid geek lol).

By process of elimination, this means that Gamma is Kirby I think since a lot of people expressed wanting Kirby, and we haven't had that flip yet. We may just want to full claim at this point.

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It's pretty much high time that Toranaga get involved in the game as well considering he is confirmed town and his slot is

still

alive.

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My town read on Enigma dropped a bit after yesterday's flip because I'm not sure I really can buy 3 town vigilante type roles.

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As people have noticed, it is my birthday. Thanks for that! Turned 42 today, so now I guess I can resolve all questions regarding life, the universe and everything.

[Toogeloo]

Frank either lied about being shot twice, trying to spread misinformation, he got bus driven by Maria and was shot by his own team, or blue team shot him and watched him.

I lean towards him just lying, but the watcher counter claim was also a lie, and its just too tangled to really find the truth in there somewhere.

Before any more votes get cast around, Toranaga needs to get involved. We are 3v1v1, and absolutely need to lynch one of the two scum today, which from a mechanical standpoint might be MyLo I think.

Do you have anymore shots Enigma?

[Toogeloo]

Who stole Kirby from me? I will make sure you are lynched first even if you're town.

Was Kirby your #1 pick?

I only ask because Zero Suit Samus was my #1 pick, but got Samus Aran instead, my #2. So if you got ZSS and she wasn't your #1, then the Kirby dominoes both of us. I'm trying to figure out if there is a flavor reason for the scum team make UPS or not.

[Toogeloo]

Just so everyone is aware, I do think Gamma lynch is the correct play today. I want to put that out there in case anyone wanted to know where my head is at. A case could be made for both Kokichi and Enigma being the other scum, and having Toranaga here with fresh eyes and a read through would make things a little easier.

[Toogeloo]

It felt like responding to pressure and then just giving up
honestly the replace out feels mildly tactical

This was in response to Nico replacing out. Gamma redscum setting up a future bus perhaps? Later he jests about pox7's self vote which reads rather oddly to me as well.

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I'm sitting here reviewing Gamma's ISO and kind of seeing a lot of IIoA. Feel pretty good about him likely being scum. More confident than figuring out between Kokichi and Enigma at least.

[Toogeloo]

1. Kokichi Oma -

null

2. SeaDragon (ManateeDude + Eragon)* -

slight town lean

3. Gamma Emerald -

slight town lean

4.

popopopopopopo

-

deadscum

5. KuroiXHF -

null

6. FrankJaeger replaced NicoRobin* -

very slight town lean

7. Lady Angel* -

null

8. Toogeloo -

this guy

9. Prof Fridays -

conftown

10. MariaR -

town lean / not red

11. Fate -

scum lean

12. RCEnigma -

jury's out

13. Panzerjager replaced DoubtingThomas -

scum lean

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If you are null, I need more posting and interactions from you please.

Hi. Why is sea dragon town

Just curious, if you remember, why did you specifically call out my SeaDragon town read?

[Toogeloo]

If Kokichi is scum, he'd need to be bluescum I think. Day 1 he advocates a pox7 train (though he doesn't get on it at the time), and then 16 hours later he votes for Nico. I'm not sure I see redscum motivation in that.

[Toogeloo]

So yeah... I think where my head at right now is...

Gamma - redscum
Kokichi or Enigma - bluescum

Lynching Gamma seems best here to ensure we eliminate a team.

[Toogeloo]

Probably won't see me the rest of the day, got party plans tonight.

[Toogeloo]

I hate you Toranaga.

We absolutely have to lynch scum today, and I'm hedging my bets that Gamma is the remaining member of one of the two teams.

Vote: Gamma

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How is he confirmed? Cause he's kirby?

Because from his pov, he and Toranaga are confirmed town. Two scum between You, Gamma, and Myself.

Just like from your pov, there should be two scum between Enigma, Gamma, and Myself.
Gamma's pov, two scum between You, Enigma, and Myself.
My pov... you get the point.

Toranaga has it a bit harder since he's both not interested and he has one less confirmed player to pool.

[Toogeloo]

Kokichi, were you roleblocked last night?

[Toogeloo]

considering we have two Samus characters and idk if that pings anyone else but would both Samus be rolled to the same team?

I think flavor is largely irrelevant here. As far as I can tell, there hasn't been any connection to who's on what team from a flavor standpoint, it's just everyone picked a character they like, and Samus happens to be one of those few characters that has multiple incarnations in SSB.

My guess is that the host tried their best to give everyone the character they wanted, as close to the top of the list as they could, but rolled alignment completely independent of that and having almost nothing to do with character choices. Then, once flavor and alignment were figured out, probably just made roles to fit the bill as balanced as they saw fit.

[Toogeloo]

So, can we even win as town at this point?

[Toogeloo]

There are only 3 ways I can see this going down.

Lynch Red or Blue, the other side wins.
---Red lynch means Blue kills whoever and gets equality, or vice versa on a Blue lynch.
Lynch Town or No Lynch, Night Actions decide winning team between Red or Blue.
---Whichever scum makes the right kill, wins.
Lynch Toranaga, hope scum Cross Kill each other if they haven't figured out who the last scum is. Town Wins.
---Seriously... Would be absolutely hilarious for a Town win, but the only way I see it possible.

[Toogeloo]

There's no point in talking it out with you two, and the game can't advance without Toranaga, so we're at an impasse.

[Toogeloo]

Well I have a Roleblocker shot from my main Ability so my idea is that we lynch one of Toog/Kokichi, I block them other, then we lynch that person
But there’s a 0% chance the other person goes along with that

So basically, you are the red team Roleblocker.

[Toogeloo]

Does anyone have a reason for not giving a full claim

Kokichi is the only one who hasn't full claimed.

I full claimed on Day 2. Samus Aran, Name Scanner, 1 shot bulletproof. I attempted to Name Scan MariaR Night 1, but returned "Inconclusive Results." I name scanned Panzerjager Night 2, got "Pikachu." I name scanned Kokichi Night 3, got "Zero Suit Samus."

I stated by process of elimination that Gamma must be Kirby since we had people mention wanting that character and it hadn't flipped yet.

Gamma confessed to being Kirby and is a Role Absorber, and that any role ability used on him, he can use himself.

Kokichi confessed to being Zero Suit Samus, but only stated that his role "should be obvious."

[Toogeloo]

Everyone is going to be saying they are town, so take that with a grain of salt.

[Toogeloo]

So what do you want to do now?

[Toogeloo]

Whatever.

Unvote;
Vote: No Lynch

[Toogeloo]

Oh, you're wrong, but I haven't felt like we can win since Enigma flipped, so I'm just doing whatever you want at this point and trying to play the rest of this out with my head held high. Gamma scum wins this I think since he's also a roleblocker, but let's just go through the motions.

[Toogeloo]

Lost my vest last night.

So, now what?

[Toogeloo]

VOTE: No Lynch
... Again?

[Toogeloo]

Irrelephant, you basically decide how today goes. You can pick a winner between myself and Kokichi, or we can No Lynch, and you can hope we cross kill each other.

[Toogeloo]

Vote: No Lynch

It's the only choice Irrelephant can make that still plays to his win condition. A vote for either Kokichi or myself is essentially choosing to lose.

[Toogeloo]

Vote: Irrelephant

[Toogeloo]

Unvote

Tag fix
-Kor

[Toogeloo]

Unvote

[Toogeloo]

So let's just catch up everyone watching at home (which I'd be surprised if anyone is even reading this game)...

I'm Blue
I am in fact a Name Scanner and had a Bulletproof Vest.

Kokichi is Red
Kokichi has now survived multiple attempts on his life both from myself and from Enigma.
Kokichi shot me last night and ate my Vest.

Irrelephant is Green
I shot Irrelephant on Night whatever it was before last night and got an immunity message.

[Toogeloo]

Either of you two want to be completely candid?

I almost think a draw here wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, and I'd rather include town in that draw than force a draw tomorrow and only have it between the two scum teams. I always prefer town over scum anyways, so I like rooting for them not to lose lol.

[Toogeloo]

Just my own assumptions...

Kokichi is Red Team's Blocker.
Irrelephant's slot has vest as well.

[Toogeloo]

So, what ability do you have that's keeping you alive Kokichi?

[Toogeloo]

Yeah, but I shot you last night and you are still alive, so you've lived through multiple shots now. You don't have to be honest if you don't want to be. I'm leaning on just making this a draw for everyone.

I have more than one bullet proof vest. You won't kill me tonight either. So, you can disclose your abilities, or you don't have to, but either way, I think we are going to go for the draw here.

[Toogeloo]

K, so we either draw with town or draw with scum.
I'll attempt to shoot you tonight, you'll block me. You'll attempt to shoot me tonight, you'll eat another vest.

One of us only wins if the other is lynched today, which I don't think Irrelephant would do. So...

Vote: No Lynch

I'd rather a 3-way tie, Kumbaya style.

[Toogeloo]

I think that Lady Jailkept you the night RC shot at you, fwiw. I've thought that for a while. Lady was going to Jail Panzer, but he still died, so Lady went elsewhere.

[Toogeloo]

I shot Fate, and Panzer blocked him. We thought that if anyone in town was the Cop, it was going to be him. We'd actually been chain blocking him since Night 1.

[Toogeloo]

I did legit think Gamma was the other scum up until I shot Irrelephant the night before and no other kills happened and I hadn't actually lost a vest, at which point I knew Gamma had to be town.

[Toogeloo]

Also, I'd like to say this as like, a serious thing.
While I should've modkilled Kiki and Toog, I'm not. I have no intentions to after seeing both of you agreeing to end the game in a draw, when Kiki could've easily taken the game for himself.
That, from my own perspective as a mod, makes this game 100% worth it. Regardless of the mistakes, seeing someone refuse to take the win, instead settling for a draw really really takes a lot of determination.

So, Kiki, you have my respect for that.
For deciding to let the game draw at Toog's wish.

It's a catch 22. Both Kokichi and I would have needed Irrelephant to play against his win con to lynch the other. So someone would have needed to play against win con regardless. I'd rather just everyone draw since an antibiotic wincon choice would need to be made somewhere.

[Toogeloo]

If Kiki had shot Irrelephant, and not Toog N7, then shot Toog again, he'd win because Toog would be dead by N9.

The thing is, Kokichi doesn't know just how many vests I have.

I might have won on the night before if I had shot Kokichi when he shot Gamma, but I wouldn't have known if Gamma blocked Kokichi or not, or if he did, I may not have won in a final 3 versus Gamma and Irrelephant. We work with the information we have, and we know people are lying when they give it sometimes. We both knew that Irrelephant was bullet proof, but we didn't know how many bullet proofs. So hesitation to shoot Irrelephant made the game go into Draw as well.

Woulda, Shoulda, Coulda... it doesn't matter if you aren't certain of how close you actually are to victory or not. The game just got to messy at the end with all the role madness, and to be fair, given how apathetic the game was from all sides, I'd say final solution was for the best. However, I do find it a bit unfortunate (and a bit unfair) that you commend Kokichi for being noble, and not me over the draw. Your decision to bring the game to a draw, and the announcement itself is the whole reason I even decided to take that route in the first place instead of force Irrelephant to make the choice to try and lynch Kokichi with me since by you telling the game that a draw would be reached, I would have never had the ability to convince a lynch on Kokichi to begin with.

I did consider the possibility of just lynching Irrelephant, but I knew that was a bad move for both the current game state and my win con since I figured that a roleblocker eventually beats a bulletproof, and that if Kokichi was Roleblocker, I was up against just as impossible odds as town.

Sometimes playing to win means just playing not to lose.

[Toogeloo]

I do find it funny that in the other pts the mod believes that Name Scan is OP. I think it's maybe a bit of a biased perspective, but given that any character can be any role, and that it's role madness and the limitations of a players role are at the mercy of their imagination, I actually felt that the Name Scan thing was a bit lackluster. It's like how there was a Godfather and Miller in the game to conceptualize the possibility of an alignment Cop.

There are very few characters in the game where I think I would have been able to piece together their role based on their name, like Wii Fit Trainer definitely seemed to be something protective and Kirby would be role copier, but seriously... Ryu, Ike, Bowser, Inkling, Game and Watch, I could spend days trying to figure out what they could be just based solely on their name.

[Toogeloo]

You thought I was town and you know it :p

[Toogeloo]

The fact that we lost after a single mislynch speaks to the balance being off.

No one lost. This game quite literally had ZERO losing teams with three teams in it. Kumbaya.

[Toogeloo]

For the record, I almost pushed for a draw when the Enigma flip happened because I think mod errors should automatically cause draws, but at the time, I couldn't see how the mod error might have messed up the game state (which looking back now, I can see it did due to information provided by Enigma when he should have been dead).

[Toogeloo]

IF IT WASNT A WIN IT WAS A LOSS

DONT GIMME THIS DRAW CRAP

YOU SHOULDA WENT DOWN WITH ME TOOG AND YOU KNOW IT

Even if you weren't blocked, I'd still have lived because of my Vest. Of course that would have changed the draw to a full fledged loss for both of us later down the road though.