Public Questionnaire wrote: On a scale of 1-10, how bastardly do you want the game to be (10 = evil)?
I want it to be as evil as possible, but it should still be balanced, so let's say 8.
On a scale of 1-10, how complex/unbalanced are you comfortable with roles being (10=lol)?
Same as above, it shouldn't be unbalanced, but the complexer the better, so 8.
Rank these themes, in order from best to worst:
Things that don’t make sense
Historical Disfigurements
Pokemon, Digimon, & Harry Potter
Existentialism
Literary Characters
Authority Figures
I promise nothing, theme-wise. I might be asking about these themes solely for my enjoyment .
Any other themes you might want to see come into play?
Dreams
Any specific roles/types of roles you want to see in play?
Death millers are cool, but I'm sure you're more creative. Very complex roles are good, as long as the game is a bit balanced.
Any game mechanics?
Don't mind.
Want lots of flavor?
Yes
None?
No.
I may completely ignore this, but any public expectations you have for this game, make them known here, and I'll ignore them, or if you are lucky, take them into account .
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You actually read everybody's answers?Paradoxombie wrote:I gotta say, I don't trust Adel's private question answers. She put a 1 for the alignment question but couldn't she very easily PM a real set of private answers, maybe putting 10 for that? Seems like an early attempt to gain the future town's trust. Same goes for her putting 9 for being comfortable ith a post restriction, couldn't that be a prospective mafia's excuse to lurk?
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I'd say we vote someone who wanted an unbalanced role, so we can hope for a more balanced game. Those who answered 10 for an unbalanced role are:
-vollkan
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-DGB
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-Shaft.ed
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Vote: Xtoxm.Vollkan, what do you think, did xyzzy really want a massclaim? It's not something to lynch xtoxm for, but I certainly agree with hasdf... cow about xtoxm, and it is worth at least 2 votes imo.
My opinion about massclaim: it's bullshit. Maybe at lylo it is something to consider, but town has 0 information except their role pms, while scum may have several role pms (if it's an informed minority), maybe safeclaims, but heck, we don't even know which claims (or roles even) would be protown or antitown.
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I don't get this...NabakovNabakov wrote:This is important. I'm surprised nobody (myself included) thought to ask this until now.
The only problem is we have two people supporting the massclaim. It's origin (xyzzy) and its backer (Xtoxm), and only the first one to answer will provide anything relevant. I propose an anti-race.First one of the two to post loses.Leaving mafiascum temporarily or not due to circumstances-
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Although I agree with some points NabNab makes, I don't agree that shaft.ed is scummy for testing theories with his vote. The extra vote (which I didn't even notice btw) is something we might perhaps be able to understand if we mess around. On the other hand, the most likely solution is that it doesn't make sense, so I think it's more pointless than scummy. Also, does anyone know what to do with the story? If it has no meaning at all then I wonder why the mod put this effort in it. I can't see a relation with the surroundings in the first page.
By the way, I don't think the extra vote has to do something with the pegs. I think it's more likely that it's role-based, as I have a feeling that not many people have a boring role in this game... Then again, there are 12 pegs, while 7 votes are needed for a lynch. I think we should keep it in mind nevertheless.
Adel gives me scummy vibes... NabNab strikes me as agressive town. Reading page 8 was funny.Unvote, IGMEOY Xtoxm. I'd like to test shaft.eds theory too but I think it's better to wait for a votecount first.Leaving mafiascum temporarily or not due to circumstances-
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Hm ok, should've read more carefully. But if the story did suggest not to massclaim, it could mean that massclaiming is broken for town, or it could mean that massclaiming is broken for scum, so we still wouldn't know anything.cicero wrote:I told you the reason for the story as I saw it. No one commented.
This is more interesting. I still don't see how the story connects to the surroundings though. I'd like to test the 5 vote theory:More importantly, what I think it means that more information about the setup will be teased out over time and what we know now is probably incomplete. Consider, for example, the possibility that we don't all have full knowledge of our own roles yet.
If there's more meaning to it, it will come out in the passage of time but it seemed to be a pretty clear message to me. The length of the story and what not is flavor and it might become relevant as we go along.
The other thing to decide is whether the story got triggered by someone getting three votes. We should wagon someone up to five votes and see if it triggers something else. Yes, it can be me. Just be careful, k? :pVote: Paradoxombie. I don't have a read on Paradoxombie; this vote is only for theory testing. To anyone who puts the next vote on him: be careful. I'll try to unvote as soon as he has got 5 votes.
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Hm, interesting votecount.Unvote. I think it's safe to say this: I do not have information about having a double vote. It might be shaft.ed, or, more likely, the amount of votes on a certain player, and maybe the pegs have something to do with it too. Now unless someone else wants to put a third vote on Adel or anyone else to see if it really didn't have anything to do with me / shaft.ed / the wagoned persons, let's move to scumhunting. Or let's do both.
I still don't get Paradoxombie's reasoning for his vote on Adel. He says Adel voted someone for disagreeing with her, so he votes someone because he disagrees with Adel. That does'nt make... damn I'm starting to hate this theme. I think I'm understanding the case on Paradox now (after rereading a bit).FOS: Paradox.
By the way, I still haven't heard from anybody why massclaims would be beneficial to town. Now Adel says it's viable on Day 3, but although I don't know what will have happened at that time, I have to disagree. Massclaims could only be good when: a) ALL players want to massclaim, b) town knows scum doesn't have safeclaims c) town has run out of other options. I might be forgetting reasons, but in the first few days, and especially D1, massclaiming would be bad imo. We didn't even see any scumkills.Leaving mafiascum temporarily or not due to circumstances-
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In this case it's almost bullshit, so yes I guess it could apply. (Note: I find most text starting from the lists bullshit)Adel wrote:Ever hear of a "wall of words" scum defense? Does it apply here?
A massclaim of rolenames could be acceptable, though it might spoil the fun/mistery of the game a bit. But the order is very important:FOS: Adelfor suggesting a random order. I think it's best if everyone makes a list of the order of claims he'd like to see, if he agrees with a massrolenameclaim. I'll make my list later as I have to go now.Leaving mafiascum temporarily or not due to circumstances-
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Standard thing? From what I know, massclaiming isn't done randomly.cicero wrote:Why would you FOS Adel for that? O_O
FOS you for FOSing someone for such a standard thing.
Let's see. I still don't have a read on everyone, so I think it's very early, but if everybody wants it (or a majority) I'll play along.Adel wrote:Indeed. What order would you like to see?I've been thinking about the idea to let those that wanted a massclaim, claim last, and those that were against it, claim first, while still taking into account the scumminess as a main factor. I'm not sure if that's a good idea though, and I find the ones against a massclaim less scummy than the ones who wanted it. Anyway, I'll try to make an attempt, though it can still change and I can't motivate everything. Let's not start until everybody clearly stated their opinion about a mass rolename claim though.
Meh, screw that, the ones suggesting massclaiming are more scummy so I'll just put them first.
1) Xtoxm
2) Adel
3) Paradoxombie
4) vollkan
5) xyzzy
6) Rogueben
7) hasdfgas
8) cicero
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I don't support it, and I'm not against it. I wouldn't mind mass rolename claiming, but only if everybody or a majority agrees to do it. Now I clearly know that you and NabNab are against it, and Rogueben wants to wait, we shouldn't nameclaim (yet).Lawrencelot, if the people who suggested a mass claim are "scummier" then why support it?
I've never heard of popcorn btw, it sounds good though.
New idea: what if we claim whether our rolenames have something to do with our roles or not? (not mentioning our rolenames) 2 people did it already.Leaving mafiascum temporarily or not due to circumstances-
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Risk: the people who's rolenames have something to do with their role, might cause powerroles to be revealed. Benefit: if scum don't have safeclaims, we might be able to see who's claim does not match everyone else's. Or if we're really good we can see who's mimicking.What do you think of the potential risks vs potential benefits of the proposal?
Testvote: Xtoxm.
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I too am worried that Xtoxm is dumbtown, to state it blatantly. However, his joke post 318 is a good reason to keep my vote on him.Confirm Vote: Xtoxm.
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Because not being serious does not look like noob-town to meshaft.ed wrote:
Then why maintain the vote?Lawrencelot wrote:
Because that was when it appeared he was not serious about Adel.shaft.ed wrote:How is the joke in 318 helping to convince you he is scummy and not dumbtown?
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I need to find a better word for someone like this:Adel wrote:
I don't think you can have 925 game posts and still be considered a newbie.Lawrencelot wrote: I thought he was noobtown, being serious about Adel, then it appeared he was not, which makes him look more scummy.shaft.ed wrote:BTW, I think Xtoxm is not so bright at this point, not sure yet if he is scummy or not.Leaving mafiascum temporarily or not due to circumstances-
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Unvote. Claim makes sense, in the way that the name and role doesn't make sense... Gah! I'll just respond to xyzzy:
What do you mean? The main theme of this game is "things that don't make sense". Making something like dynamite a doctor does not make sense, which fits the theme. Maybe you're unattentive scum, or you totally forgot this, which I don't believe as you said this at the start of the game:xyzzy wrote:I don't believe this claim at all.
Flavor?xyzzy wrote:(I propose a massclaim at some point.) We'll lynch whoever has the most normal role.Vote: Xyzzy
Mind you, I think Xtoxm is playing horribly, but I do believe that he's town after seeing his claim. Since he still didn't answer this: Why did you claim? And if you wanted to claim, why didn't you just claim your rolename? Do you even realize that outing the doc is bad for town?
Shaft.ed: your theory is... possible, but it's just as likely as Xtoxm being jester or something. I wouldn't use it as an argument against Adel if that's your plan, unless Xtoxm is scum.
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You don't even know if her daykill was real or fake...Xtoxm wrote:Taking this off watched topics.
What is OSV kill? 1-shot vig?
Anyway, even if Adel's kill was fake, I'm pretty sure Xtoxm is town. If it was real, we'll find out soon. Not that it matters, but I think the latter is more likely. The next question is: should we lynch Adel if Xtoxm is town? I'm not sure, I was a bit suspicious of Adel earlier, but I can understand her reasons for killing Xtoxm as town, although I don't agree with it. I also want to know how she jumped from not doc to dayvig as nabnab puts it, cuz it seemed she was right. I will keep my eye on Adel though.
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Wait, day-vigged townies don't make a last min case? In the sense like, day-vigged scum does? I don't understand this, sorry.Adel wrote:note that xtoxm hasn't made any last min case against any other player, which is totally common for day-killed town-aligned players.
I forgot whether I unvoted or not, soUnvote. I suggest the other people voting Xtoxm unvote too.
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Mod: please prod Xtoxm because he might think he's dead.
I'm pretty sure Xtoxm is town. If Xtoxm is mafia with Adel, I'll have to use my smart scum / dumb scum argument: the masterplan of getting day-vigged by Adel requires much more intelligence than he has shown so far. Adel scum with xyzzy is possible, but that looks a bit too obvious to me. In other words:
-Xtoxm is town (90% sure)
-Adel is not scum with xyzzy or xtoxm (75% sure)
-Adel is town (40% sure)
-xyzzy is town (60% sure)
Just in case someone thinks otherwise: the day-vig was fake.
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That was partly my intention of the vote: to find this out. I don't know yet. It might be Xtoxm or you, but I don't find that more likely than anyone else.xyzzy wrote:If Adel is scum then who do you think Adel's buddy is?
Yeah, I know that. But if you read his posts, do you really think he acted like that on purpose? His behaviour could have just as easily resulted into a lynch if it was his plan on beforehand. Adel's behaviour is worth noting, but Xtoxm's behaviour, I think, is just what it looks like.para wrote:Lawrencelot, if you are considering the Xtoxm Adel scumteam, then it's believeable that Xtoxm has acted stupid on purpose, and the fact that he's done it so much regarding Adel is what makes them both suspect. It would explain why Adel called xtoxm a VI, trying to justify his scumminess.Leaving mafiascum temporarily or not due to circumstances-
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This is true. Maybe I just got scummy vibes from you because you played differently.Adel wrote:I should point out that Lawrencelot played with me in Friends and Enimies where I owned as scum, and in Big Love where I was nk'd as a townie/lover night one, so he has seen me play as newbie-scum and briefly as near-newbie-town but I don't think he has seen me play under either alignment with my mature playstyle.Unvotefor reasons besides this one.
I don't like Para's behaviour, but I won't vote him. We shouldn't risk losing a doctor. And his latest post makes me think he's town.Vote: hasdfgas.
Since Harry Potter is town, I think there's more chance that his enemies are antitown. Neville is no enemy, so the only reasons Para would be scum is if he's lying about his name or if Neville is antitown because that makes no sense.
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Sorry, guys, just got Brawl. I realize there's a deadline, but I think Para and Xtoxm are both not very good lynches. I really want to lynch someone, however, but prefereably someone like Adel/xyzzy/hasdgfas.Unvote, switching to one of these three, whichever has the most votes.
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You're overreacting. You know how long I didn't post? I posted more than Cicero. And Brawl IS a good excuse.hasdgfas wrote:
So did I, but that's not an excuse to totally drop off from posting in your games.Lawrencelot wrote:Sorry, guys, just got Brawl.
Xtoxm because I don't think he would act like he did as scum. The reasons to not lynch Para are related to my own role pm.
Elaboration please?Lawrencelot wrote: I realize there's a deadline, but I think Para and Xtoxm are both not very good lynches.
Adel, I dunno, she's making fun of people like Xtoxm, and it's mostly the vibes. I have a feeling she's not doing her best to catch scum, but my meta on Adel might be very different. I have reread your posts, and they don't seem scummy at all. I don't know why I thought you were scum, but the vote was because I thought you didn't believe Para's role at all. How sure are you that Para is lying/speaking the truth?
Again, elaboration please? And you're leaving yourself open to 3 entirely different lynches without even saying why you like them as a lynch? Scummy, to say the least.Lawrencelot wrote: I really want to lynch someone, however, but prefereably someone like Adel/xyzzy/hasdgfas.Unvote, switching to one of these three, whichever has the most votes.
It had to do with my own role, partially. However, seeing your explanations, I think you're town. I don't want to lynch you.
A "feeling?" Is that the best you can muster with regards to a case on me and why I'm scummy?Lawrencelot wrote: hasdfgas: admittedly, I didn't realize there were 2 doc claims. Your explanation was sufficient, but still I have a feeling you're not very protown.
Lol, I now see it was only one question. What you describe usually has to do with sentences like "I'm gonna reread" or "I'm gonna check out this player's posts".Lawrencelot wrote: I'll answer your questions when I have time.
You're posting, therefore you should have time to answer the questions posed to you. Posting something saying "I'll post an answer when I have time" has often meant (from what I've seen) "I'm going to say I'm going to answer the questions, but in reality I'll hope that he forgets about the questions." It's like active lurking, coming in to post "I don't have time to post now, wait until later" and then never doing it.
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First of all: a question for those voting Paradoxombie. What do you think of DGB's alignment? And please unvote him, he's not todays lynch.
You simulposted. I'll direct you to the post above the quoted one . I use my feeling very much on Day 1, especially if a game starts with no night. Feeling (and my role pm) is all I have if no alignments are known. Until anyone is dead, providing a case based on good logic will be hard, also because ties to a living player don't tell that much. Who does seem protown to me? I'll make another list:vollkan wrote:
Supply reasons, or direct me to where you have previously given reasons. Thanks.Lawrencelot wrote: Sorry, guys, just got Brawl. I realize there's a deadline, but I think Para and Xtoxm are both not very good lynches. I really want to lynch someone, however, but prefereably someone like Adel/xyzzy/hasdgfas. Unvote, switching to one of these three, whichever has the most votes.
Interesting turn of phrase there.Lawrencelot wrote: hasdfgas: admittedly, I didn't realize there were 2 doc claims. Your explanation was sufficient,but still I have a feeling you're not very protown.I'll answer your questions when I have time.
For starters, you use the word "feeling". That comes second only to "hunch" in my lexicon of despised words.
Moreover, your reason for still suspecting hasd is that he doesn't seem "very protown". I ask you, then, who does seem "very protown"?
Paradoxombie: very protown, reasons are role-related
shaft.ed: very protown, role-related reasons, and feeling
xtoxm: pretty protown, mainly feeling
Nab-nab: a bit protown, mainly feeling
adel: could go either way. I assume town for now to prevent mislynching.
Others: don't know yet.
To those who played with xyzzy often: does he normally become more active after Day 1?
Can you answer this again, now that you know he explained it?hasdgfas wrote:
I'm not sure either way, to be honest. I still want clarification on what Para means when he said "some kind of doctor." That can mean any number of different things, and because he claimed doctor, some people don't want to lynch him. I still want him to answer that question, because he seems to have ignored it in all posts since the question, which doesn't make me feel any better about him.Lawrencelot wrote:the vote was because I thought you didn't believe Para's role at all. How sure are you that Para is lying/speaking the truth?
Why don't you tell us why they shouldn't be there? For me, for example, Xyzzy would be a good lynch target: I have protown reads on several players, xyzzy didn't contribute much, yet he did take a stand and people have expressed thoughts about him. Same counts for Rogueben, but finding ties with him would be much harder.NabakovNabakov wrote:I think the first order of business should be to get the fairly pointless votes off of Xyzzy unless someone can provide a good reason for them being there.
I'm afraid I cannot. Maybe later in the game.shaft.ed wrote:
Can you elaborate without giving much info away?Lawrence wrote:The reasons to not lynch Para are related to my own role pm.
Small summary on xyzzy:
He was pretty active pregame. Day 1 starts, he suggests massclaiming at some point. Causes discussion, which is good. Xyzzy lurks. Then he suggests nameclaiming late D1-ish. So, xyzzy, why don't you go ahead? You got 1 full day to let everyone claim. He doesn't believe Xtoxms claim. Buddies up with Adel in xyzzy's posts 19, 21, 22, (23), 24.
This is probably even less contributing than Rogueben. Considering there are several people that I find protown, I think xyzzy is a safe lynch. It will also tell us more about Adel, someone who many people think can be just as easily scum as town. And it might tell us more about Xtoxm too, which would tell us more about other players.Vote: XyzzyLeaving mafiascum temporarily or not due to circumstances-
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The answers to that question, I'm pretty sure would be informative for me, while not being very informative to scum. But now that we're lynching xyzzy or Rogueben, it's not that important anymore.@ Lawrencelot, what is the meaning of your reference to DGB's alignment?
I'm willing to switch to Rogueben. I'm not sure if his lynch is just as informative as Xyzzy's, but the case is just as strong I think. I also got zero protown vibes from him, and it appears he took less risks than xyzzy, and bandwagoned more.
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Hm, dilemma. Rogueben, you owe me one for this, although I can blame myself too.
I have a 1-shot governor role. I can prevent Rogueben's lynch, and I will, after thinking about it. Why? Because the people I trust, think he's town, and I think so too. Why tell this? If scum see that the lynch is blocked, they'd figure it's me anyway. This will prevent confusion to the town, and keep me from getting killed by Rogueben (I assume). The only downside is that Rogueben needs to kill, and that I can't use my power on anyone else.
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Interesting thought. The mod gave me 48 hours to decide, so maybe we'll turn to night tomorrow (RL). My role says nothing about giving a new day, only that it is a governor ability, which means that I prevent a lynch. The wiki also says nothing about ending the day or not.
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Man, I'm away for 1 day and there's chaos everywhere. This game is becoming very interesting though.
I don't care whether we mass nameclaim or not. I don't see the point of it, because scum probably have safeclaims, and even if they don't we might not be able to tell scum from town. And most names don't make sense anyway. SoFos: xyzzyfor that.
My decision was not solely based on shaft.ed's opinion, although it did help me decide.Paradoxombie wrote: Also:
Where were you when Lawrencelot saved RB(Rogueben, not roleblocker, Xyzzy) solely because shaft.ed said he was town? Because you certainly weren't so outspoken then.
Here's my updated scumlist:
adel: 70% scum
para: 70% scum
xyzzy: 60% scum
shaft.ed: 95% town
xtoxm: 75% town
Others: don't know yet.
That's right, paradoxombie appeared very protown to me first, but although it is no ability of mine, I have a theory about his ability, and it doesn't look good. I can elaborate more if it is necessary, but for now I'll put aFOS: Paradoxombie.
Adel and Paradoxombie are my top suspects. But let's first take a look who's got a double vote. Testvote: cicero. I have no post restriction btw.
Rogueben, I think you're blocked by shaft.ed. Can you elaborate on why you tried to kill paradoxombie? And who do you think killed nabnab?
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Unvote.
So who killed Nabnab? Who gave hasdfgas a double vote? Who added a peg to the meter? Don't answer if it helps scum.
I think activity will drop a bit with these post restrictions. Sorry guys, I was the one who gave Guardian the idea pregame
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I think Adel's reasons for suspecting hasdfgas are opportunistic and insincere.
Vote: Adel.
Only problem is, that I'm not sure if hasdfgas is town (but if he isn't I could see Adel's behaviour as bussing), and Adel is posting much more than others. But she does give me scummy vibes anyway.Leaving mafiascum temporarily or not due to circumstances-
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Now I'm confused. You didn't believe RB's claim I thought, but you mean in your last post that you don't believe para's claim right? And you think Para is the play for today. Why is para the play? And I also need to know: do you believe RB's claim yes or no? Your reaction to RB's claim was also one of the reasons why I think you're scum.Adel wrote:crap, I got para-zombie and rb mixed up in my last post.Leaving mafiascum temporarily or not due to circumstances-
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This happens to me once too. I'm gonna check if I was scum or town thenAdel wrote:
I need to reread and actually keep my notes this time. Somehow PB and para-zombie became one player in my mind, and now I'm not sure which is which...Lawrencelot wrote:
Now I'm confused. You didn't believe RB's claim I thought, but you mean in your last post that you don't believe para's claim right? And you think Para is the play for today. Why is para the play? And I also need to know: do you believe RB's claim yes or no? Your reaction to RB's claim was also one of the reasons why I think you're scum.Adel wrote:crap, I got para-zombie and rb mixed up in my last post.
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Ah, found it. It happened to me in an on-going game where I turned out scum. It's not a big scumtell, but I think it would happen more to scum than town because town (and especially powerroles) tend to give their game more attention. If this happened on Day 1 I'd consider it a null-tell, but now it's a small scum-tell.
Is cicero dead or what? Even xyzzy posts more.
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He dies when he hits a protown player + something I forgotXtoxm wrote:Ok, so I got a OSV thrown in too...But it's essentialy Doc.
What was your exact claim? I wa sunder the impression you cliamed straight doc.
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Adel, I'll try it from the top off my head:
xyzzy: triforce of wisdom, mistery role. Targeted shaft.ed last night, probably gave him PR.
para: neville longbottom, sort of doctor. dunno if he said who he protected.
xtoxm: (napoleon?) dynamite, doctor and osv. Killed vollkan.
Lawrencelot: one-shot governor. Used D1 on Rogueben.
Rogueben: Link, forced vig. Targeted... Para, right?
Xtoxm is looking smarter and smarter to me. Cicero is looking scummier. I don't think Para is fishing. He's just saying out loud what everyone including scum could think after reading shaft.ed's posts. Shaft.ed, just don't answer the questions if it helps scum.
The pegs look interesting indeed. Although there's only been one night, I guess every night there will be more pegs. I don't know what the positions mean, but maybe the pegs are related to the PRs too. I'd like to know other's opinions on this.
I could see cicero acting like this both as scum and as town. I don't like his xyzzy vote though. Xyzzy, what makes you think he's a triforce? He didn't post in the discussion between you and shaft.ed.
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How does having info about how scum could win, make you town? In fact, I think it's even scummier. Xyzzy, don't answer my last question, I think I have an idea about it.cicero wrote:So Xyzzy is a mystery role. Throwing around post restrictions. Wants everyone to nameclaim since the beginning of the game. Won't tell us why. I have info about claims leading to a scum win... and I'm looking scummier.
OK then.
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Also, the fact that xyzzy wanted to massclaim and you do not, doesn't make you town either. I think I have an idea now, why xyzzy wanted to massclaim, or at least mass rolename claim, although I don't really get the target thing.
Unvote; Vote: cicero
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Sharing why massclaiming is good takes away the whole purpose of massclaiming in a closed game. What's BotD? Xyzzy claimed Triforce of Wisdom, and I believe his claim. I did say knowing info on scum winning makes you scummy, but I didn't say not wanting to mass claim makes you scummy: about that, I only said it was not necessarily protown.cicero wrote:This stinks to high heaven to me right now. I would vote Lawrencelot, OMGUS be damned, but I'm already voting Xyzzy.
Xyzzy's entire game has pretty much been to come in and push for claims. And his name isn't Pie Is Good.
If you have an idea why massclaiming is good, share it with the class. Xyzzy wont.
I have reason to believe a mass claim would be bad based on information provided by the mod - which makes me suspect rolefishers a great deal in this game.
I'll happily handle some votes on me, but why exactly is Xyzzy earning your BotD, Lawrencelot? Knowing info on scum winning might make me scummy, but warning you not to mass claim certainly doesn't.
Am I the only one with tidbits of info from the moderator? I'm willing to bet that I'm not.
Guardian actually is a Guardian...well he's a security Guard... at a women's prison. But somehow he still can't get no satisfaction.
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Maybe the pegs have something to do with the PRs. Or the other surroundings.
Also, if we knew vollkan gave his PR to cicero it would not clear cicero. Especially if cicero would have said: guys I'm not posting much because I got a PR.
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I'm gonna try to make something out of vollkan's posts:
1-11: pregame
12: agrees with massclaim. Does anyone think this is in favour or against the theory that scum have safeclaims?
13: agrees with Nabnab, kinda disagrees with massclaim.
14: disagreeing with hasd
15: sarcastic against hasd
18: disagrees with para
19: agrees with para's logic, which I didn't agree with.
21: agrees with cicero
26: attacks xyzzy
30: overreacts to xtoxms claim
32: defends adel, cunningly suggest to look at xyzzy if adel is scum. I see this as a small argument against Adel. 33 too
37: defends xtoxm
42: defends Adel
45: most interesting post. This post now gives us no extra info about cicero, xyzzy, hasdfgas, and not much about Rogueben, Xtoxm, shaft.ed. Para is first on his scumlist, so much that I think it's not bussing: if Para is scum, he's probably not with vollkan. Adel, however, is second, together with me: sometimes as scum I put a scummy townie on top of my list, and my scummy buddy second or third, to not let it seem bussing or defending, and not taking too much risk lynching him. Vollkan says Adel is hard to get a read on, yet puts her second on his scumlist. Seeing as how he defended Adel some times, and even defends her in the same post when he talks about me, I think Adel is his most likely scumbuddy.
Vollkan also calls NabNab the most protown. I don't agree with this, yet I also do not think it's a very controversial stance, so he's my best guess as a third buddy, if there is one, but I'm way less sure about him.
I still think one of cicero and xyzzy might be scum, probably cicero. But I'm more sure about Adel. It also happens to be in line with my first feelings.
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Uhm... that was a test. Lol, now I'm the VI.Xtoxm wrote:NN was NKed by the scum, btw!
Do you think Para is scum with vollkan? 'Cuz I don't.One of the triforce could well be scum...I'm conviced Shaft is innocent. Could be either of the other 2, if it is one.
I was top on volkan's scum list...And I still think PX is likely scum based on the NK...I think we should lynch him.
After that my top suspicion is Hasd...
Depends on if you believe cicero or not. I don't mind rolename claiming, but if cicero thinks it can help scum, we should be careful.Just noticed...5/9 have claimed...How about we finish it off?Leaving mafiascum temporarily or not due to circumstances-
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Are any of Adel, cicero and Paradoxombie confirmed to you? Others I don't need to know.xyzzy wrote:
Because having a triforce role lets me confirm 3 people, including link.shaft.ed wrote:
I do not get yourshaft.ed wrote:
xyzzy, why push forshaft.ed wrote:
I no longer getAdel wrote:he did claim triforce... safeclaim? shaft.ed, what is your opinion on it?
why xyzzy wanted massclaim
Nibbler runs quite fast
a massclaim without target?
Nibbler reads real fast
motivation for massclaim
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I think he means that the Triforce of Power is in hands of Ganondorf in the Zelda games, and Ganondorf is evil. Which doesn't mean this would be an antitown role though.cicero wrote:
Im confused. I thought you were saying that you were referencing special information in your pm. How is it flavor available to all?shaft.ed wrote:
That is pure flavorAdel wrote:why on earth would a town-aligned shaft.ed reveal that? that is exactly the kind of information I sit on so I can catch scum.
Available to us all
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Let me guess... Xtoxm has a post restriction. Or better: antirestriction. Or did you just feel like decaple posting?
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Why is Adel town? What you say makes sense, except that Adel is town. What if Para targeted her? That also fits with the flavour. And no I am implying that if Adel turns up scum, I will not only look at Kison but also at you.Xtoxm wrote:Oh...Sorry about that, things just kept pooping into my head, didn't realise I made a load of simul-posts. No restriction/antirestriction
I'm pretty sure Adel is town.
Do you not think what I said makes sense?
This sounds like you're implying i'm scum.I am a bit worried that Xtoxm is not finding Adel suspicious. But whoever Adel's partner is, is for later concern.
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I don't know if you're scum. I also don't know Kison is scum. All I got is Adel
Your logic looks good, but if the one is a frame that doesn't necessarily mean the other one's a frame. And if it's the mafia who chooses the way of killing, there's also WIFOM. A normal frame makes someone look guilty to cops btw, so I'm not sure if I understand what you mean.Leaving mafiascum temporarily or not due to circumstances-
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