Mini 2036: Charging Up! - Game Over

[DS]

The worst has been replaced with the best. Nice to meet you all, my name is DS and I am the GOAT, but you'll come to know that shortly.

Let's play.

[DS]

First thoughts: Holy shit 14 day phases? So I'm assuming this site is hammer friendly then. I dig it.

[DS]

Ok.

VOTE: theworst

Really, this slot caught the first vote?

[DS]

VOTE: Vaxkiller

ez

the worst I'm not scum this time! RC I'm still not scum this time!

Inb4 confirmed scum

[DS]

i'm skeptical that nsg is town here.

-shrug-

sometimes, at night, i'm skeptical whether the sun will come up again or if it'll be dark out forever. i think both of our problems are solved the same way.

With a bullet to the brain or a case of lynching asphyxiation

[DS]

UNVOTE: radiantcowbells

Why the unvote?

Because Im not trying to lynch rc right now.

But how about later?

How about now? Since this a catch up and all

[DS]

I had no problem with Manatee's poke on slimer and I'm not sure why it caught interest between both lane and Kokichi. feels like there could be scum between those two

Vax is still a good vote IMO

too many lurkers

Why would you post this less than 24 hours into the game..?

Bonus points for not posting anything after calling out lurkers less than a day in, too.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Porkens

Lady Angel, do you really think Porkens' comment is the most scum-indicative/noteworthy thing that has happened so far? I'm surprised that this was what you felt was most important to comment on

I don't form reads very fast. So yeah, that was the thing that stuck out the most to me so far. How can you even call out "Lurkers" before there's 24 hours passed?

Probably not the most scummy thing ever but I have nothing else right now.

Tagging this as pinging my scumdar. This is something scum does often, picking a small little thing and trying to make it into more than it is.

[DS]

so im literally being wagoned b/c of an early game misunderstanding?

Indirectly you could make that argument if you wanted. It would be incomplete. I wanted clarification, you didn't acknowledge or respond. More than once. And that's why I am voting you. And now I'm trying to figure out why you didn't just say it was a misunderstanding in the first place

Here's scum #2

[DS]

don't form reads very fast. So yeah, that was the thing that stuck out the most to me so far. How can you even call out "Lurkers" before there's 24 hours passed?

Probably not the most scummy thing ever but I have nothing else right now.

wolfy

Maybe the worst wasn't so bad after all, or perhaps it's just an obvious read

[DS]

don't form reads very fast. So yeah, that was the thing that stuck out the most to me so far. How can you even call out "Lurkers" before there's 24 hours passed?

Probably not the most scummy thing ever but I have nothing else right now.

wolfy

okay so let's drill into this Manatee/Lane thing a bit

When someone votes seriously, I'm interested. You don't have to be. But I want to know what he means. He doesn't want to explain it. Can you explain it? If not, does it matter to you the reasons for people's cases? If not, why not?

in my view, slimer's original comment was nothing more than a joke and NAI. but I can easily imagine how someone else may not see it as just a joke and could have inferred some weird/unnecessary shade in it. I don't agree with that read, I don't immediately share Manatee's suspicion, but I can understand it so I also don't see it as disingenuous, especially for a page 1 read/vote. And that's entirely the level of thought I feel is necessary to evaluate the whole thing. I have a plausible town explanation for Manatee's behavior, no solid reason to prefer an alternative scum!explanation, and therefore it's not worth diving into further.

You can't seem to imagine this relatively simple town!Manatee explanation for his vote and that's more concerning to me. How much can Manatee really offer beyond what he's said already? He thought the shade that he saw in that post was weird so he voted it. What more would you expect him to explain? Yours doesn't feel like a productive line of questioning, it looks more like busy work to start conflicts and get a foot in the game. Maybe in the abstract, "are weird posts scummy?" is a good question for the Mafia Discussion board, but if you want to dive that deep into every single vote or claim that anyone makes you're going to rapidly lose sight of the bigger picture and create a bunch of tangential arguments that only become noise in the thread.

And what also looks bad is how you're strawmanning me here - I have never suggested that "the reasons for people's cases" don't matter to me. But Manatee's vote was a) not nearly at the level I would call a 'case', and b) already sufficiently explained for what it was

You just answered my questions... To you, my interest in the situation was scummy. I wanted to figure out how/why you were disinterested. I asked you about it. And you just now answered.

I can imagine it coming from town or scum, that is why I asked about it. I had questions. I wanted them answered. If I couldn't imagine them coming from town, my questions would've been paired with a vote. A vote that came later after manatee wouldnt acknowledge the questions. And were ultimately explained away as a misunderstanding. Which can come from town or scum, but doesnt pass the smell test.

I can see scum latching on to something pregame to insert THEMselves into the game immediately.

Again, I'm not offended if you didn't feel the need to dive into it, but I did. And I'm not exactly satisfied with the "so I'm being wagoned for a misunderstanding" bit. Not much of a wagon, and there wouldn't be one at all if he just answered the questions. I can't say for certain there wouldn't be I guess, but not answering was the biggest reason for voting him.

Can someone with meta knowledge of this person tell me if unnecessary walls are common for them?

[DS]

I mean, the idea of someone proving that their town to get a free "hey, I'll help you lynch whoever you want" just seems anti-town in the way of trying to find scum.
The the inscentive is "I'll lynch you" if you dont. I mean who the hell does that?

I fall firmly in the camp of finding town just as important if not more so than finding scum reads

[DS]

I mean, the idea of someone proving that their town to get a free "hey, I'll help you lynch whoever you want" just seems anti-town in the way of trying to find scum.
The the inscentive is "I'll lynch you" if you dont. I mean who the hell does that?

You could be sherlock holmes, I'd still be iffy about your judgment. Theoretically of course

Scum #3

[DS]

I mean, the idea of someone proving that their town to get a free "hey, I'll help you lynch whoever you want" just seems anti-town in the way of trying to find scum.
The the inscentive is "I'll lynch you" if you dont. I mean who the hell does that?

You could be sherlock holmes, I'd still be iffy about your judgment. Theoretically of course

i don't really have one right now. slimer is someone who i remember seeing in a lot of the games that i read before my first game and around that time of my first games, but i don't really remember any specific meta nor do i think it would be smart to think that it'd be the same after all this time.

on an individual level, tone-wise i've felt like he's been pretty natural, but looking at it again just right now content-wise he's kind of lacking which makes me lean towards scum. i don't get the sense that there are reads that he really cares about from his posting - he's just sort of making conversation with people. that being said, i've been kind of sitting back when it comes to reads myself, so i'm not sure necessarily how scum-indicative it is.

obviously i was just talking about this but his concern over you sheeping me kind of pings me. like, is "if i realize that you're town i will help you lynch your scumreads" really something that's that scary to think about? it also seems to assume that you're town too - or at least, he hasn't showed any concerns that you might be scum doing all this.

I appreciate this post. It shows process of thought and a second guessing about personal reads which scum often lacks. Hard tr

[DS]

Do y'all do vote counts or nah

[DS]

VOTE: Lady Angel

[DS]

DS understand that the person you claimed as a hard townread is someone that I am hard scumreading and have never been wrong on
so I'd calm down on saying that you're the best unless you're scum here.

Okay now what about the people I'm scum reading? I'll trust my judgment over yours btw.

[DS]

that said I think that you're scum

I think the entire scumteam is DS/Slimer3/NSG

Ooh, saucey. So you both think that I am scum and that I am sussing one of my teammates in my opening salvo? Can you go further into your scum read on me? Expound, if you will. I assume it is not solely based on me townreading one of your scum reads?

[DS]

I realize now that I fucked up quotes multiple times in that whole catch upZ my bad!

[DS]

RC, I notice that you have been tunneling NSG since post #17. What was this deeply insightful read that you got off of her yarrr post?

[DS]

dont click that 17

i

obviously dont know how to use this site yet

[DS]

Okay but again - Expound on your thoughts please. Why is my reaction worse?

[DS]

Why do you think im sussing Slimer?

[DS]

DS understand that the person you claimed as a hard townread is someone that I am hard scumreading and have never been wrong on
so I'd calm down on saying that you're the best unless you're scum here.

Okay now what about the people I'm scum reading? I'll trust my judgment over yours btw.

that said I think that you're scum

I think the entire scumteam is DS/Slimer3/NSG

Ooh, saucey. So you both think that I am scum and that I am sussing one of my teammates in my opening salvo? Can you go further into your scum read on me? Expound, if you will. I assume it is not solely based on me townreading one of your scum reads?

RC, I notice that you have been tunneling NSG since post #17. What was this deeply insightful read that you got off of her yarrr post?

like holy trinity of terrible

1) discrediting my NSG read
2) trying to get towncred because they 'sussed one of their teammates in their opening salvo' like scum aren't gonna distance early
3) making the excuse for not voting NSG that they're gonna trust their reads over mine

when someone says they have an 100% accurate read somewhere and that you're wrong I would expect anyone who makes the claim to be this competent to figure out if the claim is true
when someone rolls scum with NSG and has this big of an ego I expect them to think that they can deflect and discredit me and that's exactly the response that we got.

You havent really done anything to prove your case on NSG, and I literally just asked you to expound on why you are scum reading them and you havent.

[DS]

that said I think that you're scum

I think the entire scumteam is DS/Slimer3/NSG

Ooh, saucey. So you both think that I am scum and that I am sussing one of my teammates in my opening salvo? Can you go further into your scum read on me? Expound, if you will. I assume it is not solely based on me townreading one of your scum reads?

spoiler alert: it was solely based on me townreading one of his scum reads

[DS]

I don't have to prove my case on NSG.

Yeah, you don't have to. Yet the real question is, can you?

[DS]

The worst has been replaced with the best. Nice to meet you all, my name is DS and I am the GOAT, but you'll come to know that shortly.

Let's play.

Lol this should be fun

You should either

1) hardclaim scum in your next post
2) vote NSG

Kokichi, you gonna hardclaim mafia roleblocker or do you want me to do it?

[DS]

I don't have to prove my case on NSG.

Yeah, you don't have to. Yet the real question is, can you?

making a case just gives the opportunity for scumfuck mcgee no.2 aka DS to attack the reasons
plus it's a lot effort

when i can just say that NSG is scum

yarrr

[DS]

if yarr means im scum im bout to get that shit tatted on me.

yarrr yarrr

[DS]

that hardclaim probably throws your poe out of whack huh rc

[DS]

and if i did a double rrray rrray

???

[DS]

VC 1.8

theslimer3

(3): ManateeDude, Porkens, Vaxkiller

lane0168

(2):

northsidegal

, Gamma Emerald
Porkens (2):

theslimer3

,

Lady Angel

ManateeDude (2): Kokichi Oma,

lane0168

RadiantCowbells (1): Not_Mafia
Vaxkiller (1): GuiltyLion

northsidegal

(1): RadiantCowbells

Lady Angel

(1): DS

Not Voting (0):

With 13 players alive it takes 7 to lynch

The deadline is 17 October 11:30am UTC-4, or in 11 days, 1 hour, 34 minutes

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Current reads and where they fall on the vote count.

Game can't be that easy can it?

[DS]

I mean, the idea of someone proving that their town to get a free "hey, I'll help you lynch whoever you want" just seems anti-town in the way of trying to find scum.
The the inscentive is "I'll lynch you" if you dont. I mean who the hell does that?

You could be sherlock holmes, I'd still be iffy about your judgment. Theoretically of course

Scum #3

These two posts pinged me on slimer. I often find that scum tries to sway town opinion by asking rhetorical questions meant to invite an already positioned answer. The "theoretically of course" is a hedge

[DS]

so im literally being wagoned b/c of an early game misunderstanding?

Indirectly you could make that argument if you wanted. It would be incomplete. I wanted clarification, you didn't acknowledge or respond. More than once. And that's why I am voting you. And now I'm trying to figure out why you didn't just say it was a misunderstanding in the first place

Here's scum #2

This and the other wall I quoted is what I picked up as scummy from lane. Over complicating a simple response to seem as if there is more thought behind it than there is. However this is the shakiest of my three reads, which is why I asked for meta on them

[DS]

I also didn't like the swing near vc 1.2 where lane had been the first vote on an rc wagon with lady, then two others hopped on and lane unvoted and then this happened shortly after

VOTE: Porkens

too many lurkers

Why would you post this less than 24 hours into the game..?

Bonus points for not posting anything after calling out lurkers less than a day in, too.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Porkens

The fact that two of my scum reads happened to lynch the same person at nearly the same time is glorious scum synergy and interesting when combined with my third read on lane and what I previously mentioned

[DS]

Like that all happened within a span of ten posts

[DS]

If I highlight the necessary and unnecessary parts the entire thing will be yellow

The entire thing will also be yellow if I just highlight the unnecessary parts

[DS]

In summation: I felt as if that entire train of thought was unnecessary and the wall was fluff. I've never played a game with pregame before but I can't imagine too much can be drawn from it.

[DS]

I'm being an asshole, I'm sorry.

It could also be pink or blue or green or orange depending on your preferred highlighting orientation

[DS]

i don't really have one right now. slimer is someone who i remember seeing in a lot of the games that i read before my first game and around that time of my first games, but i don't really remember any specific meta nor do i think it would be smart to think that it'd be the same after all this time.

on an individual level, tone-wise i've felt like he's been pretty natural, but looking at it again just right now content-wise he's kind of lacking which makes me lean towards scum. i don't get the sense that there are reads that he really cares about from his posting - he's just sort of making conversation with people. that being said, i've been kind of sitting back when it comes to reads myself, so i'm not sure necessarily how scum-indicative it is.

obviously i was just talking about this but his concern over you sheeping me kind of pings me. like, is "if i realize that you're town i will help you lynch your scumreads" really something that's that scary to think about? it also seems to assume that you're town too - or at least, he hasn't showed any concerns that you might be scum doing all this.

I appreciate this post. It shows process of thought and a second guessing about personal reads which scum often lacks. Hard tr

Hard tr for essentially fence sitting and second guessing a null read? I'm not following that one

Thought progression is a uniquely town oriented spew. Scum already knows the alignment and has to explain their thoughts. Often times townies start typing and don't know where they are gonna land on someone until the words hit the page and the submit button is hit. That's what I was picking up on.

[DS]

In summation: I felt as if that entire train of thought was unnecessary and the wall was fluff. I've never played a game with pregame before but I can't imagine too much can be drawn from it.

You're correct. Not too much can be drawn from it. But if you draw nothing from it, then what do you get? Like you called out lady angel for nitpicking at game start... Scum and town have to do that if the game is going to go anywhere.

I'm going to assume you skimmed the game looking for things that stood out to you without really comprehending the game state. Considering to think that entire post was unnecessary from my point of view

You are 100% correct that I do not have a sense of the game state, which is one of the good/bad things about being a catchup sub. You can look at the thread objectively without being tainted by in thread machismo and yet if the context of a post doesn't translate to a reread, then, you can be negatively impacted.

Solid observation.

[DS]

Do you have more evidence on lady other than nitpicking in her third post?

How much more evidence could someone possibly have on a being with only 4 posts? No, her third post and the timing of her votes in reference to the wagons at the time are what I'm scumreading off of.

[DS]

I have a feeling this is all a facade. Watch them both be scum.

[DS]

Lol what

[DS]

Become more sure on me

By actually reading the work I've done

[DS]

RC is a meme right? Otherwise why are you following this person?

[DS]

eh
i'm gonna just assume that i was right on nsg and ds

VOTE: DS

if you're town it's my turn to trust you 0 so you should be sheeping me NSG.

If you assume it is me and NSG why are you not voting NSG who you supposedly have a lock scumread on? Logic doesnt follow there.

[DS]

LA is kind of transparently town and DS's lane push was absolute, absolute garbage
really good equity there

slimer3's reaction to you was also awful (and i thought at the time svs) but not quite as sure that it's not something that's necessarily scummy

You do realize I never pushed on lane right? I said that was the shakiest of my reads and asked the whole thread for meta to parse them. The interaction with me last night gave me town vibes, I wouldnt vote lane today.

[DS]

Am I not allowed to stir the pot? Can you explain your ideas of RC's thought progression on NSG and her alignment during that conversation and then reflect on how that translates into his vote on me?

For reference he says:

can we vote slimer or DS

please don't scumread me for backing off on you I can't deal with it rn

eh
i'm gonna just assume that i was right on nsg and ds

VOTE: DS

if you're town it's my turn to trust you 0 so you should be sheeping me NSG.

So his read goes from NSG lock scum with Slimer/DS to not scum reading NSG to saying it is NSG and DS but then not voting NSG who he supposedly has a lock scumread on.

Progression makes no sense.

[DS]

And actually that makes even less sense when you look at "if you're town it's my turn to trust you 0 so you should be sheeping me NSG."

Because he said during his vote on me "eh I'm gonna just assume that i was right on NSG and ds" so if you are townreading NSG why are you voting me?

Progression fail.

[DS]

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

[DS]

Current reads list is:

Players:

northsidegal
Porkens
GuiltyLion
lane0168
Kokichi Oma

Vaxkiller
ManateeDude
Gamma Emerald TheHolySpirit
Not_Mafia

theslimer3
Lady Angel
RadiantCowbells

[DS]

Null with no order

[DS]

{RC}
{Slimer, Lady Angel, Manateedude}
{Porkens}
{NM}

townpool as of now, NM being only slightly > null

Now you have slimer in your town pool? You were just saying you wanted to lynch either him or me.

[DS]

RC just lilypad jumping all over the place

[DS]

Thoughts on Guilyy Lion and Kokichi?

[DS]

Okay now how certain are you that I'm scum?

For post game purposes so I can laugh at how wrong you are

[DS]

Yes it is and you don't get to bully people's reads. I feel like you are open scumming, and while its a good strategy, to players who open scum often its noticeable.

[DS]

if you think me saying "no you don't get to say that a post is 90% likely to come from town" is 'degrading your skill' then idk what to tell you.

you just said I was 85% scum....

[DS]

if you think me saying "no you don't get to say that a post is 90% likely to come from town" is 'degrading your skill' then idk what to tell you.

you just said I was 85% scum....

When I say someone is 85% scum it comes off of a long line of being able to accurately deduce said percentages and comes with a heavy mental burden.

Oh yeah I picked up that you were mentally burdened this game for sure

[DS]

Did my homework. Think I'm ready to present.

VOTE: Northsidegal

Something about RC and NSG's de-escalation felt very off to me, and while I can't claim to be in either of their headspaces, I wanted to check it out. So I went and read through part of Lynch The Wolves, a game in which RC was Scum and NSG was town, and here's a summary of what I found:

RC, as Scum, could've pushed onto NSG using the same tactic he did here (claiming to be able to read her 100% of the time), but likely didn't too much because it would've looked bad when NSG flipped town. However, RC did vote on NSG at one point, when NSG was the leading wagon, and unlike this game, backed off quickly. Why didn't we have a repeat of this game? Because RC knew NSG was town. He even brought up his ability to read her 100% of the time just to discredit a fellow scum's SR on her. So it makes sense that RC's different reaction indicates a different situation here.

Reading through the rest of the game, I started to see shades of this RC when he attempted to bus a partner, and while he got more frustrated there than he did here, it was still close enough for me to draw a few conclusions:

- RC gets like this when he really believes he's correct and isn't being listened to
- RC gets like this when he's trying to bus someone and isn't being listened to

Their de-escalation felt natural enough from the prespective of someone seeing it from the outside for me to think it's the first one with a slight possibility of it being a bus, but either way in this line of thought NSG has a higher-than-other chance of flipping scum.

Lady angel / RC scum team confirmed

[DS]

I'm not scum tho

[DS]

If I was scum no one would know I was scum.

I just swept two games as scum in the mafia championships you would have no idea I was scum if I was

[DS]

Yeah I mean this is obviously not good scum play from you we can agree on that

[DS]

The champs series is on MU about the players are from all over

[DS]

lol MU

I agree with this sentiment for the most part

[DS]

You obviously didn't read mine then

[DS]

I'm not trying to derail the thread tho, nice try RC

[DS]

I'm 100% not scum though

And if you do end up being town I'm going to rub this in your face forever.

[DS]

Idk site rules or meta, but can we comment on a player's activity in an open game vs their activity in this one or nah?

[DS]

It's gonna be


Soooooooooo


Fucking funny when I flip bro


I can't even put into words how funny it will be.


This is a great first game on this site for me, thanks RC

[DS]

Kokichi is neglecting this game compared to others than potentially

[DS]

Idk, you called NSG scum but aren't voting her

[DS]

that shut you up.

Nah I'm in a video mafia tournament that's starting in like 3 minutes

[DS]

Tyty

[DS]

Oh I think you read that post wrong. It was more laughing of a tone like sarcastically saying that.

There's no way I'm lynched today.

[DS]

Did you not read the posts that were made no less than 4 posts away from what you just posted?

I mean I've been saying all game that RC'a progression sucked if you actually saw a reason that made since for his sudden flip of votes from NSG 100% lock scum to hey i think it's slimer and ds to hey maybe it could be NSG but we should Lynch DS to just lynching DS to hey actually p sure slimer is town was just a horrible progression from the jump and he completely proved my point.

[DS]

Holy shit auto correct

*RC's progression
*sense

[DS]

and that's the problem with all the people I've met who are good scum on other sites. they're

predictable

. they can play one meta extremely well, sure, but that's all they can do.

Idk site rules or meta, but can we comment on a player's activity in an open game vs their activity in this one or nah?

In the vaguest possible terms, yes. For example, you can say I've posted significantly more in other games that this one or vice versa.
You cannot talk to specific patterns in said ongoing game.

- RC gets like this when he really believes he's correct and isn't being listened to
- RC gets like this when he's trying to bus someone and isn't being listened to

Are these situations really different though? Like if I believe I'm correct cuz scum vs bussing is it really all that different?

I mean I guess I'm not doing myself a whole lot of favors here but intrinsically me getting pissed off because I'm not listened to isn't gonna be that different whether I'm town or scum at the time.

This is fair.

Pushing on NSG was, for whatever reason, extremely taxing on me mentally and it's not something that I can deal with today. I can't do it. I don't think she's town, but I can't push her.
I would rather kick the can to later in the game, I'm not afraid of NSG suddenly walking away and not getting lynched and if I'm somehow wrong I'm sure she'll prove it to me.
And for the record: what you have done is proven that I believe in what I was pushing. I did believe in what I was pushing. I don't want to push it right now.

And if you say so, I'll believe it for now. Really not sure what to make of DS right now but the fact that he keeps trying to tie different people to me is very interesting. Even more interesting is the fact that he's not really trying to push any of his reads besides me, and even then he's not really pushing his supposed read on me as much, since roughly 90% of his posts are directed at RC or are outright filler. He's probably scummy but I'm going to leave my vote off for now and read his ISO more, since I might just be annoyed at him being really arrogant as opposed to actually sring him. Will be back tomorrow.

It's not arrogance if it's true.

[DS]

Just a few catchup thoughts here before I get too far behind.

Ok.

VOTE: theworst

Really, this slot caught the first vote?

I find it interesting that you even care that this is a thing. It was RVS and usually that point is to toy around and test people.

Did you even read that section of the thread before commenting on my comment? If you had you would realize that cam before the game even started. You're literally shading me for nothing.

[DS]

*came

Autocorrect

Ifhusm

[DS]

Why is your whole post bolded

So that it can stand out

Understandable, pretty smart tbh

Eh, I'm used to posting on forums that have some pretty bad quote mechanics. It's just something I grew to learn to do

@DS: I just find it interesting. Nothing more than a point in the back of my head. I'm sure theres a hundred ways I could have called it scummy if I thought it was

"If I thought it was"

Indicating that you don't actually believe it was because you know I'm town

Lol slip

[DS]

Does anyone find it interesting that RC started calling DS scum and then slimer3 starts tearing him a new one?

And then lady angel as well.

Lol

If I actually called the entire scumteam on day one I'm gonna shit myself laughing

[DS]

Lady, I'm not going to quote that because I'm not going to edit it on mobile, but, your two points there were that I am posting a bunch and defending myself - neither of which I take as a negative personally. I know my own alignment so of course I'm going to defend myself or ask questions when I get pushed. That's logical. It's an easy way to gauge other peoples alignments off of a baseline. As far as how much I post, well I post on mobile so you won't get walls from me, and I have no issue with posting because the site metas I come from have more pages on day one than this game has with a deadline of only 48 hours. Get used to it.

[DS]

Also lol once again that people are saying I'm defending myself but then voting me for defending myself and now this has become a train so I actually have to defend myself.

[DS]

Lady, I'm not going to quote that because I'm not going to edit it on mobile, but, your two points there were that I am posting a bunch and defending myself - neither of which I take as a negative personally. I know my own alignment so of course I'm going to defend myself or ask questions when I get pushed. That's logical. It's an easy way to gauge other peoples alignments off of a baseline. As far as how much I post, well I post on mobile so you won't get walls from me, and I have no issue with posting because the site metas I come from have more pages on day one than this game has with a deadline of only 48 hours. Get used to it.

Posting a lot is fine if it weren't for the fact that a pretty large chunk of your posts had basically no content whatsoever. Defending yourself is also fine when it's reasonable, but the fact that you threw yourself at RC for a page and a half with only one vote on you kind of wasn't.

I mean just because it was directed at you doesn't mean it's not content, and the back and forth with RC had nothing to do with a vote being on me and everything to do with his lack of progression on his reads. You're not really scum reading me for any real reason if you're being honest with yourself.

[DS]

Pretty much everyone Ive called scummy is now voting me + Porkers

[DS]

So, like, dissect that please

[DS]

I'm very clearly town, i cant tell if you are all horrible or just scum

[DS]

Okay, soooo you're still on a mislynch wagon. How is that a good thing for you?

[DS]

What's the VC?

Am I getting close?

[DS]

I tallied it myself and I'm at 5 and I'm not willing to be lynched accidentally so yeah hi IM THE TRACKER YOU FUCKING IDIOTS

[DS]

I tallied it myself and I'm at 5 and I'm not willing to be lynched accidentally so yeah hi IM THE TRACKER YOU FUCKING IDIOTS

Why are you screaming your role and calling us idiots like tracker is the holy grail? I doubt it's the best role, arguably worse than mine but that's a matter of opinion.

This seems, at the risk of sounding biased, like a bit of a contrived overreaction. I'd also admit that dealing with rc can have that affect on people.

Tracker is a decent role, and I got pressure off of absolutely nothing other than being the only person willing to push on someone.

Look at the reasons everyone was voting me - it was absolute bullshit. Now vote RC like the outed scum he is.

[DS]

Inb4 im lynched anyway because this town is horrible

[DS]

Okay?

Are we playing a name the most powerful role game now or something?

[DS]

I raise your cop and play

MY EVERY NIGHT VIG

[DS]

I've never seen a scum tracker

Plus why the hell would I claim scum tracker

I'm claiming town tracker

[DS]

Scum is blatantly outted at this point, if town wants to be led to a loss by RC I mean I don't know how else to make you guys realize your mistake

[DS]

I think that he meant town tracker but eh

Because you just posted this that's why I'm fucking clarifying

[DS]

RC blatantly obvious scum, anyone following him is either scum or sheeple town

I now understand what people in chat were saying about townies on this site just going with the flow toward their inevitable demise

[DS]

You're reacting to this pretty poorly.. consider me voting you, but I wont actually do it till you're at l-3, or a hammer if it's late enough in the day phase and I'm totally convinced.

The way you're taking everything is just so overdramatic and unnecessary. Claiming so early was such a poor decision, and your ranting at us being such a bad town reeks of omgus and desperation.

Of course you wouldn't claim scum tracker, who does that? And its day one, even if you're lynched there's so much more time. No ones listening to Rc, most people are either being an idiot or came to the conclusion on their own

My site meta says you claim at L-2, so that's not an early claim to me

[DS]

Half of the town is either not taking any of this seriously or are just trolling and its seriously beginning to make me not even want to play anymore

[DS]

it's not an early claim, dw, that's not the reason that you're scum this game. sorry if you wanted to make a bigger splash in your first game here as scum, but I have a game to win.

Yeah I know, you're trying to win as scum, and it's pretty fucking obvious

[DS]

No I'm town offended for your site that they consider this good scum play from you. I'm pretty obviously town, just claimed a pretty decent town role with no counter, and not a single vote came off of me. There is 100% scum on my wagon and you have been saying "NDG is lock scum, Slimer is scum, DS is lock scum" all game just waiting for someone to sheep you and that's not a town mindstate

[DS]

Site referring to da for that l-2 claim

Further Entertainment, FFA, MU - all where people would claim at 2 before hammer

[DS]

What are you even talking about?

How the fuck is that a scum claim

[DS]

RC is just open scum trolling st this point I'm not going to be drawn into it

[DS]

Town just read the game and see what he's been doing, and if you need to lynch me to see it clearly feel free, just promise me you'll lynch him tomorrow.

[DS]

I would tear him apart

[DS]

Hmm... you're a cool person DS, but I'm pretty sure you're scum

Then lynch me bro and I'll self to show town how stupid they are

[DS]

I've never seen a scum tracker

Plus why the hell would I claim scum tracker

I'm claiming town tracker

I mean it's feasible you haven't seen scum tracker but why do you have this agnostic outlook to the idea?

Tracker is a traditionally town role, for no one to have come off the vote seems inherently scummy

[DS]

OKay why do you say traditionally when you initially said you'd never seen it? Seems like you tried to sound confident but lost your bluster when called out.

I've never seen a scum tracker, I'm not really sure why scum would need a tracker tbh, but yeah if you are all saying you've seen a scum tracker then I'm saying that it's a traditionally town role from where I've played

[DS]

I still think the vote swing near 1.2 vote count was very weird so pay attention to that going deeper into the game

[DS]

VOTE: NSG

Votes NSG with first post

i'm skeptical that nsg is town here.

is skeptical that they are town

Hey NSG

You have two choices

1) Prove that you're town in the next 24 hours. Upon doing so you have my vote to lynch whoever you scumread and I'll help you get other votes

2) I lynch you.

manatee lady angel porkens town

no reasoning given at all

It's only been 23 hours but

VOTE: nsg

Y'all can lynch when ready

No hesitation in this read, no second guessing like town would do, also he never even unvoted

my lack of force is moreso due to my current emotional state than anything within the confines of this game.
I'm also rather happy to let the discourse go on for a bit before I lynch you and given our history I have little worry about not being able to get said lynch through.

Again, just wanting to lynch for no reason stated, seemingly regardless of what NSG says

DS understand that the person you claimed as a hard townread is someone that I am hard scumreading and have never been wrong on
so I'd calm down on saying that you're the best unless you're scum here.

Pretty much telegraphs that hes gonna push me as scum here

that said I think that you're scum

I think the entire scumteam is DS/Slimer3/NSG

and then does, again with little to no reason

OK

please lynch DS when NSG flips scum

this reaction to being called out for it is incredibly SvS indicative.

And then this starts and now hes pushing me instead of NSG his lock scum read.


ill do part two of the iso when I get a chance at work

[DS]

I reviewed Lady Angel's ISO yet again and she's setting off every alarm on my scumdar

lynch her and then if/when she flips red, lynch RC for hard townreading her

REMEMBER THIS POST IF DS IS LYNCHED AND I AM KILLED

Finally, a fucking townie has arrived

[DS]

Vote count?

[DS]

Scum tracker is actually fairly common? It's not as good for scum as watcher but it can still help them out potentially strong roles. I'm more surprised you've never seen one before, honestly.

Most scum teams I've seen have some combination of busser, godfather, blocker, rolecop, watcher, or some type of strongman/ninja but I've never heard of scum!tracker before that's a new one.

[DS]

It's a role heavy game. You'll want to know who roleblocked your shooter

Probably best served by a watcher then

[DS]

Tbh given the setup premise I see scum tracker as more balanced than scum watcher

I mean whatever helps fit your narrative of me as scum right?

What do you know about the setup premise other than its 3 mafia and 10 town?

[DS]

meh. i'm caught between not disagreeing with you that he's kinda scummy and my instinctual animus against sheeping people with basically no reasoning of my own.

i'm going to actually read closer first chance i get tomorrow and get back to you.

Probably shouldn't sheep the person whose been calling you lock scum all game but hey what do I know?

[DS]

Kokichi, the person that was on both of our lists at one point was slimer but I'm not sure id vote there now after the last couples pages of his posts

[DS]

Tbh given the setup premise I see scum tracker as more balanced than scum watcher

I mean whatever helps fit your narrative of me as scum right?

What do you know about the setup premise other than its 3 mafia and 10 town?

The one shot mechanic? Did you read the OP?
As for actual logic I think watcher has the ability to scout out more roles which would give Mafia a large advantage

Which would make more sense to give as a one shot ability tho wouldnt it?

Has anyone thought to ask if the one shot ability could be used to charge The Mafia night kill? could we accidentally charge mafia?

[DS]

Kokichi, the person that was on both of our lists at one point was slimer but I'm not sure id vote there now after the last couples pages of his posts

*their posts

Sorry didn't mean to misuse pronouns

[DS]

What do you know about the setup premise other than its 3 mafia and 10 town?

Was this stated anywhere?

2nd post of the op

[DS]

UNVOTE:
Still don't really tr Porkens, but I'm starting to think it's more for his style of posting than any actual read.

Not sold whatsoever on the northsidegal wagon, RC hasn't really done much to convince anyone besides practically yelling it with no substance.

Not a fan of DS's first post but more because it's arrogant than actually scummy, DS seems fairly towny to me otherwise. DS vs RC has been so much of the game for the past few pages that I can't think of any real scumreads besides RC having a wagon on someone with no explanation, which might just be a style thing.

Least towny people to me are in no order, Porkens, RC, and Lane, but I don't think all of those are scum, which makes me a little hesitant to vote anywhere.

Lady can you explain your progression from here where you say I'm fairly townie to where you are now with a vote on me?

[DS]

Also in that post you say the least towny people to you are Porkens, RC, and Lane, but you are currently on a wagon with all of them on me. How does that information make you feel about my wagon?

[DS]

I'm still lmfao that at one point RC was like its lock NSG/Slimer/DS and now Slimer and NSG arent scum to him but his read on me hasn't changed

[DS]

Super not tho

[DS]

Like don't get me wrong I fully understand why you scumread Slimer but you're dead wrong. He makes posts as bad as the ones he's made in this game constantly as town. He doesn't as scum.
As scum he's a boring 'reasonable' townie like the majority of scum are. LA and Slimer3 are the kind of people who attract a lot of attention because they play differently, but they're not scum.

I realize that GL if town is going to get massive TM flashbacks but my strategy in TM was predicated around the people who had control over the town being older players who -expected- me to be an arrogant asshole with bad reads and who wouldn't expect me to be right on shit and who would actually townread me acting like a stupid fucking shit because that's what their expectations of me were going into it anyway.

So, again:

{RC, Slimer3}
{Manateedude, LA}
{Porkens}
townreads

{Lane, NSG, DS}
pool of people I think are +above average likelihood to be scum

NSG gets a pass because I want her to have absolutely no excuses. I will vote Lane or DS. Not only do I think both are scum I think that they're buddies and a lot of my read on both are buddy reads.

I can't stand when people put themselves in their own reads rankings but that may just be a personal pet peeve, but I do find it interesting that you are ranking slimer in the same category as yourself.

So you are saying here that you are as certain of slimers alignment as you are of your own. If you are town, how could you possibly be that sure of another persons alignment?

[DS]

Sorry what? What type of response is that to a question?

[DS]

I'm sorry but all game you've been saying people are locked into certain alignments without giving any real reads at all, and whenever anyone questions your reads you just say they need to sheep you because you're rightZ

The only way someone is that sure of another persons alignment on d1 is from a n0 check or TMI

[DS]

Lolllll that you posted something about sheeping at the exact same time that I was calling you out for doing that previously

[DS]

yes i have reads and i am very confident in them that

must

make me lockscum thank you for your input mr. totally not open wolfing

What are your reads exactly? Go in depth on them.

[DS]

This is the guy you're following people

[DS]

This guy has not given me any reason to even remotely town read him

[DS]

UNVOTE:
Still don't really tr Porkens, but I'm starting to think it's more for his style of posting than any actual read.

Not sold whatsoever on the northsidegal wagon, RC hasn't really done much to convince anyone besides practically yelling it with no substance.

Not a fan of DS's first post but more because it's arrogant than actually scummy, DS seems fairly towny to me otherwise. DS vs RC has been so much of the game for the past few pages that I can't think of any real scumreads besides RC having a wagon on someone with no explanation, which might just be a style thing.

Least towny people to me are in no order, Porkens, RC, and Lane, but I don't think all of those are scum, which makes me a little hesitant to vote anywhere.

Lady can you explain your progression from here where you say I'm fairly townie to where you are now with a vote on me?

Also in that post you say the least towny people to you are Porkens, RC, and Lane, but you are currently on a wagon with all of them on me. How does that information make you feel about my wagon?

I don't want this to get buried by RC's bs so I'm quoting this for posterity to get an answer

@lady

[DS]

Inb4 hammer

I'm going to flip exactly what I've been saying so please look at RC, Lady, and Lane because I do believe that is the scum team at this point I think

[DS]

RC lolcatting

I really hope this is not the level of play on this site

[DS]

that's my secret

I never stop lolcatting

You're super not convincing, I don't get why everyone is being bullied by you. I think if activity was better you would be up shits creek dude

[DS]

Fwiw I hope we get to scum together at some point because I think our personalities would work great as a team

[DS]

You should still be in it though

No one is even trying at this point it seems

[DS]

Absolutely not, and I've claimed my role with no counter.

[DS]

Why I am the d1 lynch of all people makes absolutely no sense from a gamestate POV. I'm active, I'm contributing, and I've claimed a town investigative role.

[DS]

THIS IS NOT THE SCUM YOURE LOOKING FOR

[DS]

Absolutely not, and I've claimed my role with no counter.

yes, your scum role

Town tracker is a scum role now?

[DS]

Why I am the d1 lynch of all people makes absolutely no sense from a gamestate POV. I'm active, I'm contributing, and I've claimed a town investigative role.

But you are really REALLY scummy.

Okay now expound on that thought.

[DS]

How am I really scummy? Site your sources please

[DS]

No one said I was looking for a counter? I'm just saying of all the places to lynch on day one, an active and outed and uncountered town tracker is really where everyone wants to go?

[DS]

Like of all the slanking scumlords in the game THATS where you want to go d1?

[DS]

I'm the town tracker. I'm not looking for a counter claim because there is no counter claim. I am the town tracker. I am the town tracker. I am the town tracker.

Just lynch me already if you think otherwise, this game is bullshit lmfao

[DS]

Absolutely not, and I've claimed my role with no counter.

I'm responding to Porkers saying that at a glance I am scum.

I dont really know what you want me to explain? It's what ive been saying to you. Of all the possible day one lynch candidates an active and uncountered town tracker claim makes no sense to land on

[DS]

RC has no progression on his reads. Neither does Lady. Ive asked them about it, no answer. Re ask the questions ive been asking to them after my flip and FORCE them to answer.

[DS]

Okay you legitimately caught me by surprise there, thats not what I thought was about to happen.

[DS]

VOTE: RC

Can you explain why you decided to go there? What are your thoughts?

[DS]

Well for one, I'm prolonging the day hopefully. I still think you're scum, but I think RC is sitting a bit too comfortably. Some of the things he says go unchecked it seems by the lurking town. Besides, I'm more comfortable with his lynch regardless, so it'd be win-win if he does go down. Especially since if he flips scum, I'd be waaaay more confident in you flipping scum. If he's town, my reads of you will pretty much plummet pretty low to basically leantown. Your outbursts and bickering with RC wouldn't make too much sense to buddy town

Cool, just wanted to make you say it. Read what I've posted yall i still am the GOAT, just locked this game up for you if you listen to me.

VOTE: DS

[DS]

My flip gives the most information at this point. Even if the day ended in someone else lynch there would always be this question mark. At least this way you can know what I am and see how the 6 other people on my lynch look in relation to it.

[DS]

Plus no one really tryna play this game. Town is horrible in this one

[DS]

UNVOTE:
Still don't really tr Porkens, but I'm starting to think it's more for his style of posting than any actual read.

Not sold whatsoever on the northsidegal wagon, RC hasn't really done much to convince anyone besides practically yelling it with no substance.

Not a fan of DS's first post but more because it's arrogant than actually scummy, DS seems fairly towny to me otherwise. DS vs RC has been so much of the game for the past few pages that I can't think of any real scumreads besides RC having a wagon on someone with no explanation, which might just be a style thing.

Least towny people to me are in no order, Porkens, RC, and Lane, but I don't think all of those are scum, which makes me a little hesitant to vote anywhere.

Lady can you explain your progression from here where you say I'm fairly townie to where you are now with a vote on me?

Also in that post you say the least towny people to you are Porkens, RC, and Lane, but you are currently on a wagon with all of them on me. How does that information make you feel about my wagon?

See how she avoided answering this but then all of a sudden was here when I hammered?

Lmfao

[DS]

Peace yall! Don't disappoint me town!

Though, I wouldnt be surprised.

Lmfaoooo

-DS

[DS]

How tf does my flip confirm RC as the mafia godfather?

Slip?

[DS]

Yeah but HOW

[DS]

You know what? I dont think we should even be talking anymore? I'm dead.