Mini 2034: DnD uPick (Town Victory!)

[Dunnstral]

I don't know anything about leveling up - it seems like we would get stronger, but if we get too many levels we lose so we have to balance it out - except I don't know how we level...?

[Dunnstral]

Okay SO apparently the leveling system is not public information!

So I guess only my role has knowledge of its existence WHICH makes sense! ^_^

Wasn't it in the sign-ups or am I imagining things

[Dunnstral]

Okay. Tldr what did I miss

nothing much

OK

[Dunnstral]

~Noted~

So those actually did something?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Tatl and Tael

Missing their usual zeal

[Dunnstral]

For the purpose of the record, in my only game with Lovebird she was the D1 mislynch that I hard-drove since because she gave bad reasoning to scumread someone whom I was hard townreading... So IF her laconic THOUGHT PROCESS is your only reason to scumread her you should probably nuance your prospective or reevaulate first since because we were able to manipulate JUST that to easily lynch her.

I'll consider this

scummy post

[Dunnstral]

Do you think I'm scum?

The more you refuse to state why you hold any opinion the more likely it is you are scum. I am asking a simple question:

Why is that post from ceejay scummy? You said it is. Back it up.

This shouldn’t be pulling teeth.

~~Castle

Are you talking to me or lovebird..?

[Dunnstral]

I've got Saske as obvious town

[Dunnstral]

I have never seen more than 10 posts from nancy drew and not known her alignment correctly. she's scum this game.

I think the tone is way off for Nancy Drew as is the playstyle which is why I'm assuming that she's 100% scum if she is in fact Nancy Drew. But I'm scumreading them either way.

Whoops

I really gotta, like, not play multiple hydra games at once lol

[Dunnstral]

Kokichi why should I answer.

Why shouldn't you?

Are you afraid of him being a lie detector?

[Dunnstral]

Maria are you town this game. Yes or no.

Ye!

A clear yes or no is needed

I...legit answered

You were fine with answering this earlier

[Dunnstral]

And if you say “detect lies” ima snack you with he power of the chicken of darkness

I mean, but that's what they would do, It's not really an established role

Nobody is asking Maria to claim, Kokichi asked her if she was town

[Dunnstral]

affirmative :D

I feel like this should work as affirmative is a form of yes.

It wasn't directed at Kokichi

[Dunnstral]

https://dnd-wiki.org/wiki/Voodoo_Doll_(3.5e_Spell)

Voodoo Doll
Necromancy [Evil]
Level: Assassin 2, Cleric 2, Sorcerer/Wizard 2
Components: V, S, F
Casting time: 1 standard action
Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target: One corporeal living creature
Duration: Concentration, up to 1 minute/level (D)
Saving Throw: Will negates and Fortitude partial; See text
Spell Resistance: Yes
Cross the heart, hope they die, stick a needle in their eye.

If a target fails the save against this spell, the doll you hold in your hand takes on an appearance like them. You may proceed to push pin needles into the doll, subsequently injuring the actual creature. When the creature fails the save you can immediately push a pin in, and another each round as a standard action. Pins deal 1d6 points of damage per 2 caster levels (maximum 10d6 at 20th), and have an additional effect depending where you stab the target. The creature needs to possess the appropriate body part.

Arm: The target takes a -4 penalty to attack rolls.
Body: The target takes a -4 penalty to AC.
Face: The target takes a 20% miss chance as its partly blinded.
Leg: The target's non-fly speeds are halved.
Tail: The target takes a -10 penalty to Balance and Jump checks.
Throat: The target takes a 20% chance to be unable to speak, acting as spell failure for vocal component spells.
Wing: The target's fly speeds are halved.

Also does this look like something you'd just want to dive head first into doing without question? I feel like it's reasonable for me to perk an eyebrow here.

This game isn't even based on 3.5e, 5e is a whole different game - don't reference that spell

Maria, what are you worried about Kokichi doing? Because if he killed you we'd be all over him

[Dunnstral]

I really wanna case Messiah because they're really glaring to me but it's the kind of scumread that's really hard to make a case one.
Like I feel like they haven't done anything. They've been a part of the discussion and made asides and they've asked questions but they haven't pushed anyone or taken any original views.
They engage with the content of the thread and they ask questions to look like they're solving but they've never had like a strong point of view or anything that feels like town drive to solve.

Can you use this same argument against other people in this game?

[Dunnstral]

does anybody have notions of reading wisdom

Proactive = town
Sitting back waiting for things to happen = scum

[Dunnstral]

does anybody have notions of reading wisdom

Proactive = town
Sitting back waiting for things to happen = scum

i think u misread him in a recent fakegod game

have u lreaned from your mistakes!!!!!!!!!!

He wasn't proactive in that game

[Dunnstral]

I really wanna case Messiah because they're really glaring to me but it's the kind of scumread that's really hard to make a case one.
Like I feel like they haven't done anything. They've been a part of the discussion and made asides and they've asked questions but they haven't pushed anyone or taken any original views.
They engage with the content of the thread and they ask questions to look like they're solving but they've never had like a strong point of view or anything that feels like town drive to solve.

Can you use this same argument against other people in this game?

Ya, maybe. Who do you think?

[Dunnstral]

Didn't notice that sequence from ceejay before, went to iso him and he seems mega scummy to me:

-Posts things for himself "for later" which he's clearly not going to talk about again
-Says he'll "consider" stuff and then never talks about it again
-Engages in discussion about Kokichi's voodoo without really talking about much else at the time
-I'm not getting the impression that ceejay would actually go back and do some reading, that looks like an excuse to unvote for whatever reason

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

[Dunnstral]

Didn't notice that sequence from ceejay before, went to iso him and he seems mega scummy to me:

-Posts things for himself "for later" which he's clearly not going to talk about again
-Says he'll "consider" stuff and then never talks about it again
-Engages in discussion about Kokichi's voodoo without really talking about much else at the time
-I'm not getting the impression that ceejay would actually go back and do some reading, that looks like an excuse to unvote for whatever reason

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

Why did I unvote lovebird?

Because rc pressured you a little bit more - not because you were reconsidering anything

[Dunnstral]

The worst part of this WHOLE thing is that Gamma is town too... (눈_ლ)

Based on what?

[Dunnstral]

What if I told you guys, if I get chosen as the lynch. One of the people I voodoo'd would be lynched instead. And I can do that every day. Who would believe me?

Can we try it out today?

[Dunnstral]

I have no reason to reaction test any other player my reads feel good else where

What's your read on me?

[Dunnstral]

Wrong answer

[Dunnstral]

Maria talk with me about Shadd_ and ceejay please?

~~Castle

I'd vote both of these right now

[Dunnstral]

Wrong answer

Do you think you should be townread right now?
Pedit: Yes

I don't think I should be "poe scum" that you don't talk about

What is this poe, anyway? There's a player who hasn't posted yet in this game, where do they fit in?

[Dunnstral]

Wrong answer

Do you think you should be townread right now?
Pedit: Yes

I don't think I should be "poe scum" that you don't talk about

What is this poe, anyway? There's a player who hasn't posted yet in this game, where do they fit in?

You didn't answer my question..

I never said you should be townreading me, but if I'm poe scum you should be talking about me

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Dunnstral]

Anybody else notice that ceejay naked voted me as omgus?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Tatl and Tael

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Dunnstral]

There's a lot of other stuff that I'll respond to later, for now we need to stop ignoring ceejay

[Dunnstral]

who is mc?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: ceejay

[Dunnstral]

gamma if they were masons they wouldn't claim at the last moment where a quickhammer is likely
Lovebird has been the hot topic all day
Read the game, rc will go to any length to save his townread because of ego

I wonder why it doesn't seem like I was concerned about being mislynched... :o

Does it seem like the person you are voting is converned with being mislynched?

If so, can you point it out? Thanks

[Dunnstral]

What's your point?

I don't have one yet, but can you do what I asked or no?

[Dunnstral]

Talk to me Maria

[Dunnstral]

@ rc why do you want to lynch gamma? his replace in looks town to me

@ wis in a scumbird world who else is scum?

@ kokichi how many people can you voodoo a day?

Lovebird what do you think of this post?

[Dunnstral]

@ rc why do you want to lynch gamma? his replace in looks town to me

@ wis in a scumbird world who else is scum?

@ kokichi how many people can you voodoo a day?

Lovebird what do you think of this post?

I'm asking because earlier you included this in posts that showed MC being "survivalistic"

But I don't see anything like that in this post

[Dunnstral]

Somebody gave me a post restriction where all my posts have to be at least 100 characters longgggggg

[Dunnstral]

For the purpose of the record I can directly ask the mod if a single living scum player has the ability to manipulate votes so I can literally confirm MariaF's alignment...

PEDIT: Do NOT shoot Gamma-kun (눈_ლ)

Uh, wait, does your ability have the clause that the information you gain must be known before roles are assigned or something? I've heard of that role before, also could gaining that ability through leveling up mess up your results?

[Dunnstral]

Don't waste it on Maria

Clear Dunn or CJ or something

HOW am I going to clear them via set-up... I asked about Maria since because that is what we have information on at the present moment.

pedit:
The restrictions are not directly stated, but the first one is true through mod clarification. The question I posed was valid however.

Well it might not be, depending on how roles were generated

What if roles were made, and then alignments were distributed randomly? Your question wouldn't work

[Dunnstral]

I wouldn't even lynch who I want I would ask people to use hurt tags and we'd agree on a lynch. If I lynched anyone besides that person I die right after. RC stop being a god dam petty brat and put your down emotions away and think logically not because you want me dead for no reason besides wanting me dead

What you're doing right now reminds me of how you had so much issue in that other game where people couldn't vote until I put my own vote down

[Dunnstral]

Interesting

I might as wel claim this too


I checked Kokichi last night with a gun check

I returned with dunnstral doesn’t have a gun

And there was no mistakes

:thumbsup:

MariaR, I'll join you in that song if you want, what do I have to do?

Also, it isn't "two totally separate things" at all

[Dunnstral]

I shaded you in that game for trying to stall votes yeah? How is that like here

You're talking about using hurt tags and stuff, how is that not stalling votes?

Also, you were scum in that game actually, why wouldn't you use that angle and instead use this one?

[Dunnstral]

Gamma claim


You don’t have to claim WHAT you gave RC, but claim everything but that

I'm a wizard, school of technomochy (I'm not sure if this is spelled right). I am a JOAT to start, the gifting power was actually my level 3 ability. As for what my powers are, I have

• A power that post restricts a player for a day phase. I tried to use this on Kokichi with a 100 charcter minimum to all posts to make him more readable, but because of his power that hit Dunnstral.
  
• A power that prevents a player from posting for 48 hours. I crumbed this immensely when dealing with the RC/RK situation.
  
• Two other powers, one of which I gave to RC, the other I still have. I'm not comfortable with fullclaiming these.

Why restrict me when I barely post over 100 characters. Not sure about this claim

I can confirm that I received the post restriction - it only lasts for this day phase

I think it's really weird that both the gunsmith and the post restriction werer redirected to me. Isn't nexus supposed to be fully random? It sounds a lot more like the two of us were busdrove, to me, making actions on us target each other. This does imply that you're lying

[Dunnstral]

Btw my actions get redirected randomly. So odds of both going to dunn based on gamma claim is slim.

So you think Gamma is scum, right?

The odds that somebody is lying about actions here is much higher than the chances of both abilities being redirected to me - meaning it's likely that one of you two are scum

I don't see the motivation for Gamma to lie about his target, though

[Dunnstral]

[edited out the #'s because that was just me forgetting to take it out]



Never vigging:
Maria- town shit
Ceejay- role is townie
Dunnstral- confirmed town
RadiantCowbells- probably town due to D1
Saske- towny tone/role

Would rather not vig:
schadd- they seem out of their scum-range but i havent seen anything that blew my socks off
rightknight- nothing that seems that is really *scummy* but i cant give them full town status, plus their ability steal is a biiiit weird.

would vig but dont wanna die:
Wisdom- 100% scum but they might be PGO/vengeful, meaning its possible 2 town die if i shoot

Vig:
Kokichi- said
Gamma(i like their claim buts its not that powerful iykwim)- already explained

Here are my thoughts:

Agree with the town list mostly, I have you in there as well, Saske and Maria seem towny to me, only name I'm questioning is ceejay

I'd rather not have Kokichi be shot and have the shot go to a random player

I think Schadd could very well be scum, I'd put him in the vig category

Where I'm at right now is: vig Gamma today, lynch Wisdom today, then if he is a town vengeful maybe schadd with that?

That's a lot of killing power by the way

[Dunnstral]

ok, I remember that ceejay is motivator now, yes it's a towny role and we shouldn't vig him, yes he is less likely to be scum but it is still possible for him to be scum

Does the ability steal take one ability/scroll when you know the name, or does it take all of a persons abilities? I think the friendly neighbor is best, it confirms a lot of people (I don't think scum could use a friendly neighbor ability, even if they stole it)

[Dunnstral]

And it confirms Kokichi too, right now Maria is saying it's a fake

Or maybe we will discover that it really is a fake

Except I just remembered that if we believe Kokichi's claim we apparently can't even target him, so it's not even an option

[Dunnstral]

Yeah ok, we should be shooting/lynching Kokichi today. Apparently RightKnight's action worked on them, so they're not a nexus during the day

[Dunnstral]

are you sure it was from kokichi and you werent redirected?

That's a lot of 'coincidences' coming from Kokichi involvement

We can try shooting him and seeing what happens

Actually, what he said would happen was that it just didn't affect him during the day and nothing would be redirected, pretty sure he claimed not to be nexus at day time

[Dunnstral]

I'd rather not have Kokichi be shot and have the shot go to a random player

As I said. That's only at night. If you shoot me in the day I just absorb the shot and not die. So have fun

Let's shoot Kokichi. If he doesn't die we can think about this some more, otherwise he was probably lying and will die

If the shot doesn't kill, we're still at odd numbers of players alive, meaning we're not really missing out

[Dunnstral]

I've read a bit

Why would there be no kill if kokichi was scum with strongman?

[Dunnstral]

How would we know if he still had it or not?

[Dunnstral]

Why are you typing in red, Maria?

[Dunnstral]

The bolded in-thread action was fake though

I assumed that Maria had to do hers bolded in thread because she's a bard

[Dunnstral]

Why are you claiming that...?

[Dunnstral]

This might be related to two people being 'redirected' to me night 1?

[Dunnstral]

Or maybe it points to Kokichi being scum

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Kokichi

Still has an unexplained strongman scroll, if weird mid day redirection stuff is going on then I don't want to risk it with the pgo claim either

[Dunnstral]

The vengeful portion of the claim, if I'm understanding it correctly

[Dunnstral]

why would scum redirect that as an active ability?

[Dunnstral]

What I'm saying is I think it was some passive effect that was set up somehow, or set up in advance

[Dunnstral]

We should stall the 48 hours out.

Don't worry, we'll stall the whole 6 days out

[Dunnstral]

What if we lynch Wisdom and his venge kill gets redirected to Eragon..?

[Dunnstral]

I don't know? It's not happening because of me

Depending on how it works an ascetic might not even be what we need

[Dunnstral]

Not if I use my strongarm. Lol. But if I get one I wont shoot you. I'll just ignore you

Good to know but we also have strongman and could use it with our bp.

That's not how that role works, though.

Strongman only works on kills, this is why we should be lynching Kokichi

[Dunnstral]

So Mariar, you role is that you can redirect harmful actions away from yourself for you and another person

Don't you think that claim is at odds with Kokichi's claimed role? Like, they wouldn't both be town?

[Dunnstral]

But what if he’s lynchproof

I don't think he is lynchproof

[Dunnstral]

So that shot wasn't redirected or anything, correct? There's just a redirection on rightknight/eragon or what?

[Dunnstral]

Eragon. Do you have a GS shot left?

To be used on who?

[Dunnstral]

nvm, misunderstood gs as a day vig

[Dunnstral]

Probably not anyone that’s town

Why did you think this?

[Dunnstral]

So that shot wasn't redirected or anything, correct? There's just a redirection on rightknight/eragon or what?

Nevermind, that was Maria, right

[Dunnstral]

dunn who is scum?

Kokichi is who I want dead the most, I think he's pretty much outted scum right now
Wisdom can die too

I am suspicious of schadd, kind of eyeing gamma's role, and the only reason I'm not scumreading ceejay is their role

With that said, I like the idea of Wisdom lynch into Schadd shot

VOTE: Wisdom

[Dunnstral]

That’s L-1 fyi

oops

Didn't realize the wagon built up so fast

[Dunnstral]

I am suspicious of schadd

no you don't get to be

What does this mean?

I think I recall you actually did stuff when you rolled town

[Dunnstral]

girl one of these days thats gonna catch up w u

Though, I guess I didn't say a "strongest" town read. Not sure which is "strongest".

https://youtu.be/lo_zQ7hzXGA?t=67

have u been talking 2 keynchai

also u betr not be a wolf u big looser

mason gambit xh

160 posts of this

[Dunnstral]

and have been like the frontier of the wagon we are doing right now for like 3 day phases?

ok

And if it's a town wagon, he can kill you

[Dunnstral]

I am suspicious of schadd

no you don't get to be

What does this mean?

I think I recall you actually did stuff when you rolled town

He has 160 more posts than you

0.0

The thing is, I'm not comparing him to me, we're comparing him to games where he was town. So I might be a little hypocritical, sure, but I'm trying to point out that from my memory, schadd gets more into the game as town

[Dunnstral]

Eh in mini 827 he was town and only had about 140 posts

Link please

Also 827 doesn't sound right , or was that really 2016

[Dunnstral]

i am pretty sure nsg is town, i'm pretty sure wh4t is town

last micro i played with rc he was scum and i had gotten some faint uncomfortable vibes by this point in the game and i havent now so shrug. playing around him being town until later bc i generally don't want to deal with it etc.

eragon reads like me as either align when i'm forcing content.

eragon can u

: talk to me about how you've fit into this game? any answer / interpretation of the question is the correct one. i would request the answer be outside of a spoiler= tag

i feel guilty bc i've had a lot of games where i like forced ppl to read my own spoiler= walls and they came around and townread me but i don't feel like evaluating one of his walls beyond sightreading it

performer is a kinda tr that i havent thought too much about and won't unless he is an immediate consideration for some reason (i can look at the game i modded where he was d1'd) (looks like he might be an immediate consideration, idk)

dunnstral looks really scum to me, he has been highposting a lot in games i have seen from him recently (mostly just large themes i guess but one assumes he joined this game on purpose) and in general tends to be really pushy and strongly internally consistent as town in such a way that id'ing him as town is usually easy. he started off weak here and did even less stuff after becoming a common scumread and has done solely a couple reads

he has equity with skygazer, performer and eragon among people i'm not confidently tring. 1 with carcalily in spite of how that team makes sense to me. eragon i wouldnt really expect to be bussing him in that team with this gamestate (there are other lynches that would just be easy and fine for that team upon cursory thought)

carcalily ultimately null and i expect to sort her with regards to other slots (if i'm bothering to sort her myself which is a maybe)

skygazer is a scum consideration. sort of not interested in generally elaborating due to reasons. thought her rc vote then townread felt bizarre but i'm tempering that in light of me wanting/expecting her to be scum during that

Don't think he's ever gone this in depth this game

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: lovebird

this is another one thats pretty Rough to elaborate on but feel like she shouldnt be scumreading what she has been + i think she tries to be concise as town whereas this game it tastes like she is forgoing that to put up more of a thought process

+wisdom voted her and she kind of fizzled at simyk's line of questioning which might hold water idk

This is really overexplainy if this is when MC was a counterwagon

recall me saying the same thing abt you in the micro lmao

ok...? But you were wrong, and here you're going on about how meta works

[Dunnstral]

Who do you think is scum schadd? Besides Wisdom, I mean

[Dunnstral]

so youre basically trust telling?

Do you think he's town

[Dunnstral]

UNVOTE:

[Dunnstral]

All TP’s on me
If I die lynch ALL TP claims no matter from who

Kokichi has a strongman scroll.

[Dunnstral]

Whatever Gamma has should probably go to me, Eragon is already a pretty big target with a gunsmith claim and we did just shoot a protective role

[Dunnstral]

btw did kokichi ever do that antitown thing he wanted to do

He said he "had" to do it

then the day ended abruptly with the vig shot and nothing ever came of it

[Dunnstral]

Someone whom is better with roles should verify IF scum motivators don exit...

Isn't that your role?

[Dunnstral]

I must have missed that

[Dunnstral]

So saske hasn't claimed?

I thought they were the oracle role all this time

[Dunnstral]

I guess I should so scum doesnt steal it. Who is gonna die?

done

You really need to claim what you're doing here

[Dunnstral]

I didn't

[Dunnstral]

Didn't Maria claim to be the cause of the first redirect?

So there's 3 roles that can redirect stuff, including Maria and Kokichi? That's if we believe Kokichi

[Dunnstral]

That's if we believe Kokichi

and ceejay

[Dunnstral]

One thing I can say, based on meta, Kokichi doesn’t tend to fakeclaim.

As mentioned I don't think this meta is correct

[Dunnstral]

What if I told you guys, if I get chosen as the lynch. One of the people I voodoo'd would be lynched instead. And I can do that every day. Who would believe me?

And yes. I'm confirmed town to Maria, but it's not a friendly neighbor just pretty much what it essentially is. It was 1 shot. I thought it was unlimited like everything else

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Kokichi

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Wisdom

Hard claiming guilty on wisdom.

When did you get this ability? like which level up

[Dunnstral]

in fact, kokichi can you go over every ability you've received or had at levels 1-5 for me, and when you got each ability

[Dunnstral]

Kokichi I thought you claimed to have received a different ability at level 5, and if you just received it you wouldn't have been able to have used it

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Wisdom

Nevermind, we can just do this and if Wisdom is town he can resolve this by shooting Kokichi

[Dunnstral]

Why would the kill fail?

[Dunnstral]

him shooting someone town wouldn't hurt us that bad considering we are in even numbers anyway

??? this post confuses me

[Dunnstral]

What should I ask?

Kokichi claims when he received his investigative power and what it is, then you ask if that power is in the game

That's my first opinion

[Dunnstral]

Wait, I'm really confused, how do you have that ability? Who was the other person who gave out that ability before? Ceejay gave it to saske right?

[Dunnstral]

that's a waste. his scum lynch confirms i received it. why are you trying to waste powers?

I don't think Wisdom being scum clears you as town at this point, considering how the game was going
What's your idea?

[Dunnstral]

I got it at level 5

Did you claim to gain another ability at level 5, or am I misremembering?

[Dunnstral]

block all actions

What does this mean?

[Dunnstral]

I don't think I believe that

[Dunnstral]

We choose to ROLESTEAL from Gamma

~CheckMate

I WAS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT I WAS GOFTING TO ERAGON YOU FUCKWEED
VOTE: RIGHTKNIGHT

I don't understand, what's going on here?

[Dunnstral]

RK is that a real rolesteal or a demonstration that your powers were blocked? You shouldn't be able to rolesteal again if you used it during the night, right?

[Dunnstral]

schadd was lynched, not nightkilled

[Dunnstral]

2) I forgot RK was Strongman because of the rolesteal

What made you remember they had strongman, by the way?

[Dunnstral]

Messed up quote but yeah

[Dunnstral]

Feels really off to me that Gamma was the one to bring up the strongman when nobody else had mentioned it, though

Gamma, didn't you claim you had a circumstantial protect on Eragon? But they were targeted with the night kill, does that mean anything?

[Dunnstral]

What I'm saying is:

Gamma says they have a protect that might work on Eragon

Why do scum throw caution to the wind and nk Eragon anyway in that scenario

[Dunnstral]

Oh wow Gamma slipped

If you're talking about the protect and nightkill thing, then no not exactly - Kokichi is confirmed to have a strongman scroll, and rightnight was able to grab a copy of it as well

[Dunnstral]

I think being roleblocked uses up your action but I'm not the mod here

[Dunnstral]

Oh wow Gamma slipped

If you're talking about the protect and nightkill thing, then no not exactly - Kokichi is confirmed to have a strongman scroll, and rightnight was able to grab a copy of it as well

Then how did Gamma's roleblock work on them?

What do you mean?

On this site strongman means your kills cannot be stopped by roleblocks or protections, it's not strongwilled which might be what you're thinking of

[Dunnstral]

Is the game confirmed 11:2?

No, unless it was in signups

[Dunnstral]

also I assume you meant 10:3?

[Dunnstral]

After all, he’s voting the slot he admitted to rolrblcking and couldn’t possibly have killed Gamma.

Not technically true - you stole a strongman scroll, remember?

What I think is off is that he then brought up how he forgot you had strongman without anyone else mentioning it

[Dunnstral]

What was the reason Gamma roleblocked RK again?

I didn’t trust the slot
Honestly if I was paying attention I would have blocked you for two reasons:
1) Scum would probably send the inactive to do the kill
2) I forgot RK was Strongman because of the rolesteal

[Dunnstral]

Wait Gamma, what did you mean when you said "1) Scum would probably send the inactive to do the kill"

[Dunnstral]

Why do you think scum have an inactive slot in the first place?

[Dunnstral]

I'm confused gamma

Why did you think the setup was 11:2?

And how does that jive with thinking scum would have a choice on who to have perform the nightkill, with 1 scum dead

And then why can't both scum members be active - why assume an inactive member

[Dunnstral]

I already knew the game was 10:3

...but again, that isn't confirmed anywhere

It's a good assumption though, yes

[Dunnstral]

But gamma - you know that RK has a strongman scroll, right? Why bring up the stuff about 11:2 in that situation anyway?

Like, you're trying to justify your vote on them now, right? Not your night action target?

[Dunnstral]

I already knew the game was 10:3

...but again, that isn't confirmed anywhere

It's a good assumption though, yes

True
But with the town power we know it’s damn well not 11:2

Yes I agree with this

[Dunnstral]

There's still a claimed guilty on Wisdom from kokichi, btw

[Dunnstral]

OK dipshits

ceejay visited schadd

lynch them

*facepalm*

visited eragon

shhhhh

And this

[Dunnstral]

There's still a claimed guilty on Wisdom from kokichi, btw

i think you know better than to be okay with this
wasnt it you yesterday who was counting redirective powers?

Nice shade

Remember when Eragon targeted me? He knew he had been redirected.

Of course, kokichi/RC haven't given any details on if they would know

Also, I noticed you received anotehr redirecting power so I think we're at 4 now

[Dunnstral]

Wait how did you get a read on wisdom that he got a redirect

You mean me? He claimed it earlier, and I said I didn't believe his powers

[Dunnstral]

btw i received a cool ability
I can control water to either protect someone, redirect an action or block all actions
Only usable at night though

[Dunnstral]

RC, did your tracker tell you who you targeted, like Eragon's ability?

Like, did it tell you "Ceejay visited Eragon" or "Your target visited Eragon"

Just for clarity - or maybe we should have kokichi answer that first

[Dunnstral]

I think I'd like kokichi to answer that first

[Dunnstral]

I don't think saske was ever confirmed town

[Dunnstral]

Saske slot was given an oracle check by Ceejay - that I remember

[Dunnstral]

Someone whom is better with roles should verify IF scum motivators don exit...

Isn't that your role?

That was a one shot given by ceejay

[Dunnstral]

Interesting

I might as wel claim this too


I checked Kokichi last night with a gun check

I returned with dunnstral doesn’t have a gun

And there was no mistakes

This is well after that vote rk

[Dunnstral]

gamma do you still have that vig
or was that your gift

Yeah that was my gift
I think I mentioned that what I wanted to give Eragon quite explicitly

I thought you said your gift could conditionally protect him? How does a vig do that?

[Dunnstral]

Interesting

I might as wel claim this too


I checked Kokichi last night with a gun check

I returned with dunnstral doesn’t have a gun

And there was no mistakes

This is well after that vote rk

Here...Kokichi has a gun?

~~Math

NO

The check on Kokichi was instead redirected to me due to Kokichi's ability, with my name in the check

A post restriction that targeted kokichi was also redirected to me this way

That means Kokichi was never checked

[Dunnstral]

Also @RK I basically cop checked kokichi N1 and he said he could redirect people that visit him, so I ended up checking Dunnstral

[Dunnstral]

If your question was something like "who killed lovebird" then it was alignment indicative

If it was just "who targeted lovebird on night 1" it might have still been seen as alignment indicative

[Dunnstral]

btw i received a cool ability
I can control water to either protect someone, redirect an action or block all actions
Only usable at night though

noteworthy

[Dunnstral]

RK, what happened to your rolesteal?

[Dunnstral]

ceejay did you visit Eragon last night or didn't you?

[Dunnstral]

Well, I watched Eragon last night and only me and Wisdom visited him.

Can you explain that?

RC confirmed lying about a guilty result?

[Dunnstral]

Ceejay had a bad reaction though, played really awkwardly around it

[Dunnstral]

So either Wisdom/Gamma scum or Kokichi/Ceejay scum

And in the wisdom/gamma scenario rc is lying town

Does that sound correct to everyone?

[Dunnstral]

Ceejay is town. I strongarm roleblocked him last night.

Doesn't strongman ONLY apply to kills?

[Dunnstral]

Well, I watched Eragon last night and only me and Wisdom visited him.

Can you explain that?

So, gamma could be last scum for lying. Hmmm

Also gamma, you DID visit Eragon last night. So I doubt you and wisdom would both visit night kill the same night if you are both scum.

Wait so you lied about not seeing me? I can guess why.

no i didnt lie.

[Dunnstral]

anyone else have any actions or anything they want to claim?

I have the ability to remove somebodies vote for a phase - it doesn't work in lylo

[Dunnstral]

Where did you get the ninja gift from?

[Dunnstral]

It's fanart as I said

Yesterday you said you had a gift you didn't use yet that made someone else ninja, right?

[Dunnstral]

So I thought one of my abilities might have been active unawares to me, as one of them is a ninjaizer (that’s one of the anti-Town abilities I mentioned), but I verified it’s not what happened. So Kokichi is plain lying.
Problem is I don’t know how the fuck we can kill him.

This is what I meant

I guess you never said it was a gift, I just assumed you were claiming it was something you could give out (for whatever reason)

[Dunnstral]

We're waiting for his divine intervention, though he may take 2 days to answer

[Dunnstral]

Mod confirm yourself does no good unless the mod says you are mod confirmed town in thread

Why not ask for this, karmeleon?

Or if you want to revive someone (if that's even possible, which if there's any kind of dead thread at all it shouldn't be), I don't see why we're picking RC and not, say, Eragon

[Dunnstral]

Karma you should do something NOW

Done

I should be modconfirmed town pretty soon

Who's scum now?

Prod while I wait for this

[Dunnstral]

So? There are roles that mafia can have that gives false negatives to gunsmith.

That still doesn't explain why you'd vote me, though

[Dunnstral]

what does town informed have to do with who the optimal kill is? no one was townreading him

Actually if we assumed that you and rc were both truthtelling yesterday, we go into the night only intending to vote out gamma /ceejay, and maybe kokichi, meaning me, rightnight, karmeleon all equally can't be scum because the rest of you guys are all "counter claiming" each other

Rightnight probably died because of their ability, what does that point to?

[Dunnstral]

I'm not scum and my flavor doesn't make sense as a role that would appear without a gun (knowing that guns count as roles that can kill vs actual in-flavor guns)

I'm a wizard, gamma could have any ability we don't know of that benefits from targeting the kill (including something like compulsive gift giver that can't target mafia, for example)

VOTE: Gamma

[Dunnstral]

Pretty sure I’M a wizard.

ok? I wanted to lynch you anyway

Wizard has like 15 different archtype variations anyway. Or do you think I'm lying about my class? Because I've got a wizard scroll I can use

[Dunnstral]

I'm a school of enchantment wizard

Starting ability: Sleep: Prevent player that is level 4 (yes it says 4) or below from taking actions at night, I used it on schadd both night 1 and night2 - I believe my reasoning for this at the time was the strongman scrolls popping up
And then there was no kill night 2 but there was also a doctor/bp claim or something and kokichi had a strongman scroll so I voted him, but notice I vote Wisdom when they said they were going to shoot schadd? There's still kokichi suspicion mixed in there


Level 3: Charm Person Scroll: Prevent 1 person from voting for the day it is used, or the next day if used during night, not useable in mylo/lylo (so I can't use it now, though I claimed it yesterday when I could have...) I never used this ability

level 5: Haywire Scroll: Target electronic device is subject to random behavior and 'acts unpredictably' is the gist of it, not sure what exactly that means and I wasn't able to get more info by asking, This felt anti-town so I never used it until last night, where I targeted Gamma with it (I don't think it did anything, I think

level 7: Confusion Scroll: Target chooses a random target for all of their abilities, can't be used in mylo/lylo Yes, this is a redirection effect. I used it night 4 on Gamma - This means if he was scum that the rightnight kill was randomly decided, otherwise scum was someone who didn't want rightnight stealing abilities from them (so the only other person it could be would be kokichi)

level 10: Arcane Tradition: Instinctive Charm: Anybody who is targeting me loses any Strongman and Ninja modifiers they have for the purpose of targeting me only

I never got a level up on night 5, which I am only just noticing. No pm or anything, and I jumped up to level 13 on night 6

level 13: Power word pain: Just got this. 50% chance of causing a non-killing action to fail during the phase it was used

Power word pain: Gamma Emerald

Don't trust you to use actions today, pretty sure you're the last scum, so we'll gamble on this working

[Dunnstral]

Wait, I think I'm confused, there was no night 6, I'm not missing anything

[Dunnstral]

I mean nka leads to dunn as scum. Cause I cant die, karma was doc'd, so ceejay or gamma would be his only kills. If gamma were svum.he could kill dunn. But, I won't look into it too much. I have a plan. Just waiting for mod to confirm a few things.

Gamma is scum because he put us into 4p ending instead of hammering himself, and made a show of it

If I were scum, I could have kept quiet about my vote removal ability and then used it to cancel a vote, framing gamma and bringing us to 4p - I didn't do that though, even when Gamma pulled his "oh I might hammer" - and If I were scum with that power I'd be keeping that in mind and I would actually be here at the deadline, instead I claimed my ability right away but never used it (it's not a fake claim because what would I do if someone asked me to use it yesterday to prove it? I also didn't even notice the deadline (which I'll assert I would have if I were scum)
How does nka from ceejay dying make me look like scum more than gamma? He's banking on the "Dunn could be a role that changes investigations" thing

[Dunnstral]

If that works you NEED TO DIE after what I just posted. WHY DO I OUT A SUPERWEAPON AS SCUM?????

Who needed to die before I posted it, from your point of view?

[Dunnstral]

Has anyone ever heard the phrase linear fighters quadratic wizards

[Dunnstral]

Really dumb Kokichi

You're just throwing aside the fact that I don't h ave a gun because "lol night kill analysis" when it doesn't even point towards me any harder than gamma

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Gamma

[Dunnstral]

I'm town too though, we can all be town together, except for gamma who we're all about to lose to

[Dunnstral]

I stopped caring about this game when Kokichi said "It's optimal to lynch Dunn"

[Dunnstral]

I stopped caring about this game when Kokichi said "It's optimal to lynch Dunn"

Do you have a strategy?

Hope you flip the lynch to gamma instead of me

[Dunnstral]

Wouldn't mind a no lynch

[Dunnstral]

Ok this is getting to close to deadline. I have a guilty on dunn. Just vote him

Go on

[Dunnstral]

What, Karmeleon has a divine intervention (or whatever it was called) available to use?

[Dunnstral]

mfw I'm confirmed town by like 8 different ways, and people still think I can be scum. The state of MafiaScum.

I'm clear yet you're voting me over Gamma

[Dunnstral]

I don't have a gun, I've been inestigated

[Dunnstral]

I'd like to point out that the deadline for this game is 14 days but if I wasn't online to roleblock gamma in the 30 minutes between him announcing his ability and him using it I'd have lost there

Also, retroactive watchers, really?

[Dunnstral]

So you basically said “nope” to my retroactive investigative. Thanks for the false hope ジュンコ

I roleblocked you

[Dunnstral]

Also, retroactive investigative was a mistake to include.

I think there are very good arguments to be made for why you shouldn't have even said it worked as a retroactive watcher, and that that was in fact another mod error.

Let's look at what the ability says:

Legend Lore: Ask a detail about any player, you will be told an honest answer if possible.

Here's why I think it shouldn't work as a retroactive watcher:

1) If you look at the source his game was based on (dnd 5e) that's... not what it does, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't the intent of the setup designer for it to function in that way.

2) Legend lore would have to target the person who killed lovebird (so, me) instead of lovebird themself. So, they shouldn't have been able to ask "Who killed lovebird" - because it gives information on someone who isn't lovebird. They would have to ask "Did Dunnstral kill lovebird"

2-B) If you disagree with the above, then consider this: What if gamma had asked:

What number in the playerlist in post 3 belongs to the last living scum?

Would the reply be "13" - or would that be an invalid question? If it's an invalid question, then what makes it invalid that doesn't apply to 2? After all, it is asking for information about somebody - you just don't know the identity, same deal with the lovebird scenario. Same identity, even

3) Lovebird was dead, and shouldn't have been a valid target for the ability in the first place. This is debatable as it's never actually mentioned anywhere in the rules, but I believe the standard on this site that's been set is that dead players cannot be targeted by abilities unless explicitly stated in the ability text

4) This ability should have required a target, because it didn't explicitly say it didn't require one. It should have been redirected to have the question target another player. You may note that it doesn't explicitly require a target, but I'll note that there are numerous abilities in this game that didn't state they required a target, that actually did. I'll list some: My doctor ability, MariaR's redirect ability, multiple dayvig abilities, all of MariaR's level 19 abilities***, etc

Spoiler: ***Speaking of which...

13. 1-shot Song of Rest: Roleblock and Rolestop as many players as you like at once

16. Unbreakable Majesty: Become a Nexus

19. More Magical Secrets: Gain the following 1-shot Spell Scrolls:
Power Word Kill: Instakill any player
Antipathy: Immediately make a player leave the thread for the phase.
Resurrection: Immediately bring any player back to life

Who signed off on the balance of these abilities...?

Just my 2 cents though, I don't know what the setup designer intended