Mini 2032: Children of Hurin Mafia - Game Over

[Gamma Emerald]

I haven’t received my role pm yet

[Gamma Emerald]

Did I say anything about that
You seem very concerned about TMI reads

[Gamma Emerald]

Well now that I have my role I’m gonna read (maybe not now though, I’m kinda addicted to YouTube rn)

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: creature

-tor

How sure are you on a scale of 1-10

I think I kinda misinterpreted creature

his thoughts about it are actually towny

not known/gamma is probably scum tho

VOTE: gamma emerald

Just putting it out there, you wrongly townread him in Heroes. I’m not giving anyone outside of the group of 5 Pork voters, an easy townread.

What the fuck
I WAS Town in Heroes Wanted and he wrongly SCUMREAD me
This is two people who were in the game around that time, I see no way this isn’t a lie
VOTE: snugglydrew

[Gamma Emerald]

Did I say anything about that
You seem very concerned about TMI reads

I think FN intended that for Creature. You seem overly defensive in this post.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Sweet. Read my posts again. Then read mod posts.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah, but I just wanted to know gamma in particular

he is avoiding this thread

Sorry
I wanted to post with my catch up but the first page or two is rather uninteresting

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are you willing to lynch the slot that has 0 posts?

Exactly bc of that!! 70 hrs on D1 and 48 hrs on D2 and they never posted, and are still not prodded or replaced.

So? I don’t see how that’s scum indicative

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
Okay then
Maybe it could be that the problem lie in you not actually specifying who you’re referring to?

[Gamma Emerald]

Mod posts
Don’t get pissy at me for mixing people up if you can’t tell that, jfc

[Gamma Emerald]

Mod posts
Don’t get pissy at me for mixing people up if you can’t tell that, jfc

I don’t know what you’re talking about. What mod posts?

Just look at what Ari/Jeanne posted after that
You’ll see why me being defensive doesn’t matter in that post

[Gamma Emerald]

Sakura has only posted once tbh. I'll give you a brownie point if you can figure out which one.

Hi. Glad I made it into the game.

Allow me to introduce myself as your Ultimate Supreme Leader. This should be a fun game. Nee-heehee~

-Bows down- Must protect supreme leader

VOTE: snuggly quackdrew 39
what an awful name

VOTE: Not Known 15
Ducks are adorable, lets not kill any ducks

VOTE: CreativeMod1

POLICY VOTE

Not sure on what policy but ouch

This feels a little over sensitive
CreativeMod are you a sensitive player?

[Gamma Emerald]

The worst why do your posts sound like you're trying to be a smart professor or some shit. Normally you have a very loose laid back tone but here it's just dif. Is it cause you're in a hydra or like? I'd like to know

We he answered this in another post kinda, did you miss it?

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma creativemod isnt in the game

FUCK
Can anyone tell me if they’re a sensitive player via meta?

[Gamma Emerald]

but why would I vote one scum over the other?

I don’t understand this question: you have to vote one scum over another if you’re Town. Maybe if the game is multiball this question would make more sense.

[Gamma Emerald]

Which head of snuggly has been talking

Why ask this when it’s been pretty clear it’s tw?

[Gamma Emerald]

but why would I vote one scum over the other?

I don’t understand this question: you have to vote one scum over another if you’re Town. Maybe if the game is multiball this question would make more sense.

Why are you dragging up something from early d1? I was pushing Snuggly as scum and I was getting worried that Maria was also scum for avoiding them and this just kinda easy opportunistic hop onto FFT. She said I should vote her instead of Snuggly.

Why shouldn’t I drag up something from early D1? One of the advantages to having a replacement is the new voice that can bring up things people may have missed. Do you not want me to do that?

[Gamma Emerald]

I mostly wanted to see how you responded. I don’t like it.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t like the level of blowback. It feels like you’re trying to discredit my attempts to read you.

[Gamma Emerald]

I didn’t interpret that as you scumreading me? And yeah there is no relevancy to the question but it was meant to get you to react. The fact you’re continuing to get militant about how irrelevant my question is tells me there’s something up here.

[Gamma Emerald]

The fact you’re continuing to get militant about how irrelevant my question is tells me there’s something up here.

So to recap here you asked me an irrelevant question and I asked you why you asked that and then you said you didn't like the "blowback" of me asking why you asked an irrelevant question now you're angry that I'm "militant" b/c I responded to your accusation of "blowback"?

I didn’t interpret that as you scumreading me?

then why are you claiming that I'm blowing back on you? I wanted to know why you were asking what you are asking. I feel like YOU are the one thats getting defensive, not me.

Blowback doesn’t have to be because you scumread me? And you’re giving blowback/militant because you responded like it was inconceivable that I would consider asking a question like that

[Gamma Emerald]

It is unlikely IMHO that there is not 1 scum on and off the wagon.

Just to clarify, you think there was 2 scum votes on the Pork wagon since ya know, Pork was scum. If so, who is it?

And you’re giving blowback/militant because you responded like it was inconceivable that I would consider asking a question like that

??? So I can't ask the reason why you do anything b/c its blowback? gotcha

You can, but when you act like me questioning something that isn’t recent is a crime against humanity, it lifts my eyebrows.

[Gamma Emerald]

and it's like 7 to lynch and we still have eons of time on the clock. Freaking out about a 2nd vote doesn't make sense from town.

My overall thoughts on this snugglydrew/NC back and forth is that I think NC’s points are fair, snuggly drew seems a little hyper-reactive, but both sides feel like town from the exchange

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: porkens

feels timid

-tor

Either frozenaga made the worst bus play of all time or they’re town

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Snuggley quackdrew 39 my apologies

It’s Snuggly Quickdraw.

That would be a tw/chickadee hydra

[Gamma Emerald]

There r no scum on Page 1

My gut tells me "don't trust the duck!

Don't ignore me quackers

VOTE: snuggly quickdrew39

It's a small cemetery, h t it has a fabulous ossurey

VOTE: Snuggley quackdrew 39 my apologies

Do you have any reasons for voting us other then your gut?

I don’t see any reasoning or thought process put into this at all.

TOTAL WITCH HUNT UNFAIR

Dear god the flail is impressive
Snugglydrew is locktown

[Gamma Emerald]

ok but snuggly is still scum.

do you still think this

[Gamma Emerald]

Hes prob town but I wanna hammer

VOTE: Porkens

Lynch -1

Their reactions are way over the top, and their posts make zero sense as town.
Lynch this.

What? What was over the top? And how does their posts make sense as scum?

VOTE: nk15

I already know hes gonna give a bad answer so I'm just gonna vote this

This looks like scum posturing

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: creature

-tor

Oh likely I'm dying because I was TMI'd town.

this is TMI that porkens was scum before porkens flipped

this is also a terrible argument and not a thing that would ever happen, also because scum!porkens was townreading an entire page and not just one player

-tor

While I still think the Porkens vote isn’t scum this feels a bit scummy. The level of bearing down on Creature seems like it would be from scum who really wanted to push it through for some reason

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would he self hammer like that as scum. Idgi. Like why not fish?

Yeah this follow-up makes me scumread Kokichi more
I feel like they worked out a plan in the scum PT for Kokichi to distance from Porkens and then Porkens would self hammer afterwards

[Gamma Emerald]

D1 ended pretty quickly

OK, let me be more precise then:

First player post (#5 by Kokichi) was made @Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:11 pm (my time)
Jeanne posted the flip @Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:42 pm (again, my time)

That's 150 minutes short of a full 72 hours.

From the OP:

I will prod players after 48 hours of inactivity.

And yet I don't see a prod has been issued.

It is also a bit strange nobody even cared to poke Pernicious or exclaim about their total absence. Or maybe I missed it while I skimmed the thread?

The point is the game is into D2 and if Pernicious hasn't been in contact with the mods during the night they would have probably had him replaced already. Ya feel me?

Early townlean on A50

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi. Glad I made it into the game.

Allow me to introduce myself as your Ultimate Supreme Leader. This should be a fun game. Nee-heehee~

-Bows down- Must protect supreme leader

VOTE: snuggly quackdrew 39
what an awful name

VOTE: Not Known 15
Ducks are adorable, lets not kill any ducks

VOTE: CreativeMod1

POLICY VOTE

Not sure on what policy but ouch

This is the only post from CM.

Given this + the Nos kill I think CM (now Wisdom) could be scum, on top of what I’d already noted about CM

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Creative Mod

Ellitell. Need I say more?

outside game thread tells are awful. I know it's allowed here and I think nothing of you saying it as a result, cause it's fair game, but I really don't think it should be allowed at all. where do you draw the line? if you can do this, what can you not do, then? and how is that fair? mafia should be fair.

just my 2c.

-tor

If they weren’t posting in mafia threads but were posting in discussion/other threads yeah, don’t Ellitell, that can fail (shoutouts to Ari). But if they’re posting in mafia threads then ellitell can be used.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma why are you not scum here

Why are you not scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

lol at nero trying to get people away from gamma while arguing with gamma

I don’t know how familiar Wisdom is with me+NC’s current meta but depending on that I might suspect Wisdom more

[Gamma Emerald]

ok yeah. Gamma is probs town?

FA/Wisdom-book it, danno.

ALL HAIL QUEEN NANCY!

I think it’s actually Kokichi+Wisdom
VOTE: Kokichi I want this first because the Wisdom read is a piecemeal case while this one I feel has a more cohesive and generally stronger case

[Gamma Emerald]

Who was saying my guilty is fake?

It's thursday.

It’s been Thursday for a while?

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah your "stronger case" on kokichi is that hes been kokichi
@gamma

How is this “being Kokichi”

[Gamma Emerald]

You called his posts scum posturing when they were standard kokichi posts and then you assigned scum motivation to a post wher kokichi was just wondering about the self hammer
@gamma

Well the scum posturing posts look suspiciously timed imo, and the wondering about self-hammer feels like he’s seeing if his plan worked
And another thing, do you have a better explanation for why Porkens self-hammered? Because a lot of people have stated they don’t have a good reason in mind, so challenging me is at best saying a bad idea is worse than no idea

[Gamma Emerald]

vote gamma.

if you reach L-1 sure

Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

vote gamma.

if you reach L-1 sure

Why?

Tr wisdom over you plus if people see your flip maybe they'll stop hiding behind your lynch

But why if Wis reaches L-1 rather than me? It just is a bit of an alien thought process so could you walk me through it?

[Gamma Emerald]

kokichi looks weird rn.

Is this a scum weird or what?

[Gamma Emerald]

Side note wisdom what games have we been in that one of us has not been scum together? The closest I remember is the death note game and walking dead so I don't see what you're saying by "nailing whole scumteams"

If I’m reading this question right you’re wrong about Death Note, Wis was scum there

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler: VoteCount Settings

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That should generate an accurate vote count. It needs to updated every time a replacement or Night death happens however.

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler: VoteCount Settings

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That should generate an accurate vote count. It needs to updated every time a replacement or Night death happens however.
Reposting because I’m dumb and forgot something

[Gamma Emerald]

Votecount 2.3

Wisdom(3)

~ Almost50(14), Nero Cain(86), snuggly quackdrew 39(80)

Gamma Emerald(2)

~ Wisdom(125), Kokichi Oma(24)

snuggly quackdrew 39(1)

~ Creature(43)

Nero Cain(1)

~ FA_Q2(13)

MariaR(1)

~ frozenaga(78)

Kokichi Oma(1)

~ Gamma Emerald(44)

FA_Q2(1)

~ MariaR(75)


Not Voting (1): Perniscious Parrot(0)

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

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[Gamma Emerald]

Good. Just went to pick a ginger ale for my upset stomach.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm seeing you've parked on Kokichi. You still think that's the best place to go?

I was hoping to gather support on it but that didn’t happen
VOTE: Wisdom

[Gamma Emerald]

I think that post by FaQ2 is...meh? I don’t really know what to make of it.
And no Wisdom doesn’t seem to have given up. I don’t think Wisdom ever gives up as any alignment.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm getting to know xsonianevermindx, a scummer.

Check out mine next pls
It’s incredibly lonely

[Gamma Emerald]

"Why did you choose your current username? It's based on a hypothetical remake of Pokemon Emerald"

lmao what?

I needed a username for what became my mafia homesite to comment on a webcomic posted there and it was the first thing I thought of (it was Fall 2014). I ended up using it here to keep consistent with my homesite as I intended to join a game a friend was hosting (it was Mini 1830 FYI).
Btw you should probably post this inquiry in the GTKAS thread so people don’t have to go here to see the explanation

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s not what I meant Tor
Also I like my username

[Gamma Emerald]

What? Are you 100% sure that’s Creature?

[Gamma Emerald]

I am not 'sure.' That is why I said it is unlikely.

Why are you so positive that it is an all town wagon. An early all town wagon where scum self hammers....

Where does that make sense?

what do you think of MY theory?

[Gamma Emerald]

what the quack is that

L-1 I think

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you not agree that Nero, FA_QT and Maria are likely town but that’s as far as I’m caught up.

These three are the people i like the least so far

And what whadduya know lol, not one of them is Gamma.

What are you saying here?

[Gamma Emerald]

hemmer. much tempted.

Hes prob town but I wanna hammer

prob why Porkens selfhammered

Hmm
Maybe I’m wrong about KO being scum

[Gamma Emerald]

I can’t unsee this

[Gamma Emerald]

Wtf is Page 53

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t even see why “I know there’s 3 scum” explains nancy’s post?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I want to vote ceejay but it’s a weak feeling so I’ll wait for his evidence against Wisdom

[Gamma Emerald]

I only want to point out that roleblocker vs bodyguard is a bit scumsided.

Who says BG is the only town protective? Plus there’s other roles to factor in.

[Gamma Emerald]

is it normal for a bg to be partnered with another protective?

Doesn’t happen often in normal games I think
But in a game that I’m pretty sure is role madness I think it’s probable

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would you be rb’d?

[Gamma Emerald]

I only want to point out that roleblocker vs bodyguard is a bit scumsided.

You mean this
That’s not what this was saying at all.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma can you remind me of your scumreads?

I’m still suspecting Wisdom (while I don’t think the claim is bad it does nothing to improve my read as BG is a rather low-rush claim), I suspect Kokichi a little but some of what I was suspecting I don’t suspect as much, and ceejay is a suspect now

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: ceejay
Wisdom has no traction rn so this it is

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Wisdom

[Gamma Emerald]

wisdom looked alright to me back there. I don't see what's wrong on waiting for me to make a claim.

What makes you think he wanted you to claim?

[Gamma Emerald]

prodoge

[Gamma Emerald]

@Ari you may want to change the color listed to FF00FF

[Gamma Emerald]

Have you or anyone else done anything useful?

Have you?

[Gamma Emerald]

also knowing nobody targeted someone is information
it makes no sense to withheld it

Idk sounded more like a no result via wording
FAQ2 do you have time to full claim to get your info into the thread?

[Gamma Emerald]

No, they don't. They have been played and don't want to realize it.

Result. NOW.

[Gamma Emerald]

scum. I am green.

and I got no results.

who did you target???

[Gamma Emerald]

By no results do you mean you got a No Result or no one showed up visiting?

[Gamma Emerald]

lol at nero trying to get people away from gamma while arguing with gamma

I mean, he might mean this one but I mean why do I have to scumread Gamma just b/c he attacked me?

*THONKING*
I hope you see my POV in Heroes Wanted better now

[Gamma Emerald]

Seriously don’t see how him responding to someone else POE list is a POE list? He didn’t even say anything about who was scum to him.
Like, what was his “POE” at that point?

[Gamma Emerald]

poe means the people hes pushing ffs
It doesnt mean a fucking literal list

POE is generally used when someone has a large amount of townreads right?
So beyond those three, what were his townreads?

[Gamma Emerald]

Bleh I know Ari was just on

[Gamma Emerald]

What's even the point? Can we even cancel the lynch?

No
They’re just arguing in twilight

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma-

what are your thoughts on Wis tunneling me for not pushing you?

Still around Nancy?

I think it’s a fair thought process, though I think he’s scum for other reasons

[Gamma Emerald]

I think it’s a fair thought process,

y is it fair? It's just a "I think Gamma is scummy so you have to think that too and if you don't then YOU must be scum with him!"

Well I agree that some of your posts defending me would look bad if I were scum
And to dip into meta, how long has it been since all 3 of us have been in the same game? We used to really get on each other’s nerves, so it kinda makes sense he’d find it suspicious that isn’t happening.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: ceejay

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I forgot about that
VOTE: Kokichi

[Gamma Emerald]

Like I don't really care what gamma flips and I can see it being either way. That scares me because I've never had a "gamma will flip either" read it's always "Gamma will flip X"

Really? I swear you’ve had some major apathy moments with me
Also are you seriously going to question your read on me because of VCA that I’ve already demonstrated has another possible explanation?
Actually, I need to consider something

[Gamma Emerald]

There’s also the fact Porkens did all he could to discredit that slot
Maybe Porkens self-hammered just as a self-implosion due to failing to gain any traction
UNVOTE:
Honestly I’m starting to question my Kokichi sr

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh hey the game exploded

[Gamma Emerald]

viewtopic.php?p=9819213#p9819213

HUUUH...
I think I just realized who Kaede might be as well...

[Gamma Emerald]

would rather if it was a player replying

Oh you don’t remember anyone else saying stuff like that?

[Gamma Emerald]

I heavily believe Kaede is MariaR

No, I’m preeeetty sure they’ve been in a game together (it’s possible Maria was on one of her 4 alts)

[Gamma Emerald]

Kaede is proven to be Sakura lol

H O L Y
S H I T
Sakura is just like
A retrograde ninja

[Gamma Emerald]

She's admitted so a lot of times just go check out games.
Besides we already know my danganronpa alt is Maki.

...You forget Sonia.

[Gamma Emerald]

maybe his towntell is sounding frustrated at some point

Yeah, that's kinda what I meant by tonality. It's not that he never gets angry as scum, but he gets angrier way faster and way more frequently as town.

Then again his reactions here weren't that hostile which is why my tonal read here is a bit weak.

Like compare here -- viewtopic.php?t=76913&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

Gamma is like "oh I'll take that into consideration" and somehow never loses his temper in a game with both Garmr and Gustavo. While Gamma is a bit more 'annoyed' in some early posts here, it's not like his town games where he goes "Fuck you" somewhere in the first 25 posts almost every time.

-RH

pedit: still support massclaim starting with either koki or gamma, whoever reads the thread first

The fuck you thing is just what happens when I get very upset
I’m pretty sure I’ve done it as scum (possibly in large 210, I remember flipping my shit there)

[Gamma Emerald]

Interesting. I’m a bus driver. Night 2 I bus drove Wisdom and frozenaga, as I figured it was possible mafia might go after frozenaga if they didn’t target the duck, so it’s possible my action is why those two died. I’ve been hanging back because I’ve been trying to let everyone talk and determine if a scum is bold enough to confirm my suspicions.
Now here’s where things get spicy. Night 1 NK15 targeted Wisdom and MariaR. This means MariaR’s supposed “parity cop” action self-targeted. Since I know I’m Town there’s no way we could be separate alignments unless she’s scum, in which case I don’t see the reason why she’d have that role unless one of the mafia is a traitor.
VOTE: MariaR

[Gamma Emerald]

Night 2 I bus drove Wisdom and frozenaga

Is the implication here that scum tried to kill Wisdom last night and you redirected them onto the lovers?

-RH

That’s what I think happened, yes

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma. What say you to Maria's claim

I think it should be abundantly clear

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk what happened, even then that’s not the person it targeted because of my action

[Gamma Emerald]

I am not in the mood to do much Mafia-wise, I just killed all my energy watching a stream

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey wtf where am I

[Gamma Emerald]

No I’m in the winning mafia team

[Gamma Emerald]

Tfw Jeanna proves she hasn’t been paying attention to her modding duties

[Gamma Emerald]

I think my play also helped
I’m surprised no one ever questioned me just avoiding addressing the Nero connection

[Gamma Emerald]

Also the wrong player’s role lol