Mini 2032: TAZ Mafia: Murder on the Rockport Limited [over]

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i give out a copshot when i die

there being another 1s cop floating around is sketchy

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shoshin if you are actually a 1 shot cop there is literally no reason why you should not have said so long, long ago

or why she should have tracked gamma ...

who tracks their inno because he fruit-vended to the person who died the night before?

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Who cares about my claim? It doesn't matter.

cuz if you have an inno an gamma that like really helpful ...

why does this not matter?

i dont' get why you're using the fact that gamma gave fruit to creature as a reason to townread him and not, you know, the fact that you have an inno on him (an inno and a soft inno at that!)

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Skitter, do you think NSG is scum or not?

not right now
or at least, enought hat i dont want to vote her today

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I used tracker on Gamma on N4 because I doubted my innocent result and wanted to see

if he'd be caught visiting the nightkill again

(after the Creature thing).

this is incredibly strange wording

why would he be 'caught visiting the nk again'? nobody caught him in the first place?

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Then just lynch me, Skitter. You're either scum, or you're frustratingly narrow-minded beyond the point that I'm willing to deal with today. You're clearly not going to lynch the obvious scum in NSG. And you keep trying to cast suspicion onto obvious town Gamma. What's the point of us discussing anything?

wow you're frustrating to play with

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Spoiler:

Holy fuck, Gustavo. I didn't lie. And everyone in the game agrees with me, not you. You're just blinded by your own arrogance. And you're the one who has been needlessly combative from your very first question to me. Everyone in this game agrees with me, and if it weren't for Stun, lots of people wouldn't even townread you.

But whatever. I'm pretty tired of this, so fuck it, I'm just gonna claim because I'd rather have you invested in the game in a meaningful way.

I'm a doctor. I protected you last night.

I don't know if I'm the only doctor or protective in the game so I can't guarantee that Gustavo was the nightkill, but I'm guessing he was because it just makes a lot of sense.

I voted him today to see if I could tease out some reactions from scum. Then I decided to stop doing that because it was obviously pissing Gustavo off. I didn't think he'd actually abandon the wagon on Key because of my prodding but I guess he's obsessed with me to the point of still harping on all this lying bullshit.

And with that, I'll probably die tonight. Which is okay with me, I'm getting burned out from mafia anyway.

Now, Gustavo, stop talking about me and reevaluate the game please. I actually want your input and want you invested in this.

I thought Gus was the obvious nightkill but whatever. I'm done talking to him.

Why did you protect Gustavo @Shoshin?

I was trying to predict the nightkill while protecting one of my stronger townreads. I had Gus as strong town - his slot wasn't mislynchable because Stun was widely townread, and even Gus alone was strong town to me because his play was so different from his scum game. I also thought he expressed a strong desire to move on from D1 in a way that made me think scum would target him as a nightkill because scum tend to mistake that as a PR-tell.

In case this wasn't obvious to anyone, the reason I claimed was to try working with Gustavo. But he still doesn't want to stop tunneling me or reevaluate anything, so please address any issues you have about that to him.

ok this is what shoshin claiming looked like the last time i played with her

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Skitter acts like him presenting the crumb against nsg makes him town
No it doesn’t, in MY FIRST EVER SCUM GAME, I had the idea to present something against my buddy to distance. If that type of play occurs to me as a raw newb, it certainly could occur to skitter. That’s not a reason to clear skitter, especially in this scenario

a) she

b) i really see no reason why i'd point at a rb guilty on my partner in mylo

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aniofanfORF

did i mention i hate xylo

i need to go back and like rearead the start of this day +
i guess track what shoshin's gamma read has been since like day2

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i really can't imagine why i'd do that in the first place instead of just like ... pushing a mislynch

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you're claiming an inno on someone; i odn't understand why you think it's pointless or irrelevant

i don't understand your thought processs wrt gamma much at all

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yeah ok she was townreading gamma very very strongly since like day3 so that adds up

i still don't understand why she:
a) checked gamma if she was townreading rc
b) tracked gamma later

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or why she thinks an inno is not a relevant piece of information

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i don't know who scum is rn
i need to like re-evaluate everything

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i can believe that you strongly believed that
i don't understand why you tracked him the next night then

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ok why were you most paranoid of him if you had an inno result on him? this is the part i'm not following

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ok why were you most paranoid of him if you had an inno result on him? this is the part i'm not following

Because results alone are very weak evidence. How many times do I have to say this? In my first town game on this site, I was investigated guilty despite being town. I was mislynched.

I've seen countless games where investigative results were wrong. I don't trust them. Period.

I do trust Varsoon saying he roleblocked NSG, no nightkill happening, and Gammagooey immediately killing him to prevent him from telling us who he roleblocked. That set of events is strongly indicative that NSG is scum.

Like, that's night/day vs me getting an innocent result on someone that could be a godfather or lawyered or when I could have been redirected or bus drove whatever.

ok this is what i was looking for

i don't think shoshin is scum rn

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i can believe that you strongly believed that
i don't understand why you tracked him the next night then

Gamma's alignment doesn't turn on why I tracked him. You need to read Gamma on his own terms. I'm giving you the exact reasons why Gamma is town. You seem unable to accept the strong probabilistic evidence. Why?

because i don't process teh game the same way you do

i think that giving creature the fruit the night he died is townie
i don't think it makes him 99% town and i def don't conftown him over it

i also think an inno is a very valuable piece of evidence

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i kinda think gamma + shoshin + nsg are town and i'm a little lost rn

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nuance of thought in real-time (it's lke way different from her last few scumgames)

although as i typed htis i realize i need to check that altgame at some point

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i don't think she wants me to say

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oh i just remembered that both my games iwth scum!nsg were on that alt; i need to check both of them

(she was also scum in presidents but repped out fairly soon so)

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yeah idk how much i can talk about alt!nsg

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but the lack of nuance is kinda apparent in the isos she linked a few pages back

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it's not like anything was really sacrificed from that sequence of events. a fruit vend is pretty useless and unless they were concerned about some remaining investigative or something then using what they have in a series of events designed such that the complicated nature of things makes it look like they're not partnered is just the smart thing to do.

i mean i think this whole time we've also been assuming that shoshin has been telling the truth about having switcheroo but if shoshin and gamma are both scum that isn't even necessarily true, is it?

also honestly i think shoshin's most recent play (maybe even her play ever since around day 2 / 3) makes sense in the context of having some kind of strategy where even if you're scummy you still win - if i had that strategy then i would probably not really put in all that much effort because you just wouldn't even really need to. it might even be better to

not

put in effort to get people to scumread you and buy into the lie of switcheroo and then lynch your claimed "target"

also looking back there's the fact that shoshin's vote was the one that allowed him to self hammer rather than letting everyone agree on who would vote and get the gold

^^^ these ones

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nsg why am i town?

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ok why not?

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idk i kinda felt like they all fit together with a coherent pov

+ like in real-time going back to check her placement on gammagooey's; it felt like she thought of something new that she wanted to share sort of

like i could kinda track her thought process during that convo and it made a lot of sense to me

whereas initially with shoshin all i was thinking was ??????? like why did you do any of that; none of it made any sense to me till she went back and explained it

[skitter30]

yeah i kinda thought that as i wrote that

it just felt like a real good convo in realtime? idk how to explain better really

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i'm kinda back at scum!nsg i think

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cuz i think shoshin is town and she has an inno on gamma

and the more i think about it the more i think that while the shoshin/gamma thing is *possible*, i'm not sure it's *likely*; it seems needlessly convoluted

gamma why do you townread shoshin?

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also cuz i'm still having troulbe understanding why she wants us to townread her on the word of a slot she's currently pushing

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skitter you said it doesn't make sense for me to think gamma is scum and also say that rc's townread clears me

even if you think we're both scum it still makes sense to lynch him first. also on a personal level rc would bus me if we were scum together rather than trying to clear me. i know this because that's what i would ask him to do and because something similar happened before when we rolled scum as a hydra. he could've ghostwritten posts for me but he didn't because it just made more sense for him to take control of the game himself.

can you point to a place where rc wrote posts for you as scum?

viewtopic.php?p=10193089#p10193089
i'm thinking of this ^^^^ he was using it as a reason to show that you were town but as far as i can tell you only wrote like one post (or there was one post that you claimed to have written; for all i know he wrote that one idk); it appears to be him talking the rest of the time

also i'm not sure what rc ghostwriting posts for you has to do with telling me to townread you cuz he was while you're scumreading him

[skitter30]

I am so confused by this game rn

I have no idea why you're voting shoshin

VOTE: no lynch

Maybe ill be lucky and just die so i dont have to make a decision

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uh i'm not sure what it's indicative of that you accidentally voted shoshin like that (especially since you seem to be ascribing to scum!nsg and the scum!gamma) theory

probably that you aren't partners with her i guess

what do you think of nsg wanting gamma to be lynched? i'm pretty sure that means they arne't partners together imo

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oh good since the other mylo ended i can like think about this one

(i'm aware you just hammered no-lynch)

being in two mylos at once is exhausting

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thanks xyzzy for modding

sorry for messing up mylo; i should have lynched nsg there

not a very good game for me

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btw y'all wish me luck buying a ticket to Candlenights in 20 minutes

idk how many of you wished me luck, but your wishes helped and I'm officially going to Candlenights! yippee

that sounds like fun and i hope you have a great time!!!

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Trust, I think Skitter and Nos were also equally complicit in the game turning out this way--Nos more than skitter, but it takes a town to lose as a town, y'know?

i'm aware that part of this was my fault
not all of it, but yeah, i did screw up, and i take responsibility for my part in that, and i like to think i learned a few things for next time

i also don't really think much constructive will happen about arguing what went wrong here either but yeah

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no i can understand why you're mad, you did good mechanically (and i eventually realized that you probably crumbed somewhere by virtue of the fact that you approach games that way and that since you started day2 by scumreading gammagooey despite that readslist having him high up that the readslist was a red herring basically)

i'm kinda frustrated/annoyed too but most of what i have to say is unkind and negative and i'd prefer to just move on i guess instead of sparking an argument

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I'm open to suggestions on how I could have dealt with Nos better, because that's actually the sort of thing I'd love to hear about.

it would have made the game a lot easier from my pov if you would have communicated with me more and answered my questions

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idk how to deal with nos (although his play in 5way up until he voted you was really townie imo; it's really the only time i had much of a read on him all game)

with you, i need to understand what you're thinking in order to read you. if you just ignore me and don't answer questions, i can't get that from you. i understand that you don't like to respond to what you consider frivolous or pointless questions, but from my pov they're important and useful and help me sort you; i rarely ever just ask random questions even if they look like they are; they usually go somewhere or have some purpose or are trying to get at something not directly

you disappeared from like day3 to day5 and i couldn't get you to share reads or explain what you were thinking or how you used gacha so to me it seemed like you were just doing ???? whatever and i couldn't understand it (and tbh i still don't entirely understand what you did that game)
and to townread people i need to understand what they're thinking

and when you decided you scumread me you just stopped interacting with me at all and that's incredibly frustrating to deal with because what am i supposed to do there?

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I didn't stop interacting with you -- part of it maybe was timing -- but I was frustrated with you as well for suspecting me/Gamma and didn't have the energy to explain a bunch of things that seemed obvious to me. I understand that what's obvious to me isn't always obvious to others, so I did eventually answer your questions. It just took longer than you would have liked.

it felt to me that you just stopped interacting with me

from my pov you were just defending gamma for like two or three days and i couldn't get you to explain where the strength of the read came from, so to me i couldn't tell if you had a strong read or were just pretending to avoid either of you getting lynching in mylo

once you explained i understood where you were coming from and why you felt that way (pretty much immediately i'm pretty sure), but until then i felt like you were avoiding the question or avoiding explaining your reads for several dayphases for no discernible reason, and to me that starts looking like you didn't really have any besides for the inexplicable gamma read

again, i can understand why you might think it's obvious and that i'm being incredibly obtuse by not understanding, but to me, i need these sorts of things to be explained in greater detail for me to understand why you felt it so strongly

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amnesty

whoa hold on I still have like 5 more games just in the Balance arc, and that's if I

don't

do one based on the live shows (which would definitely be called "Live Stunt Spectacular"). it'll be a long time before I can get to TAZ Mafia: Amnesty, and that's not even including TAZ Mafia: Four Sherlock Holmes and a Vampire (Who Is One of the Aforementioned Sherlock Holmes), which will be at least 3 games

these sound awesome

i enjoyed the setup and gacha and gold thing
and i thought you were an awesome mod