Mini 2032: TAZ Mafia: Murder on the Rockport Limited [over]

[Gamma Emerald]

scum probably got the self watcher and knew they had to kill varsoon. might be able to catch another scum from spending histories

this is still a weird post; not sure why you went to self-watcher here and not 'varsoon basically claimed a rb guilty in his opening post that gammag suicided to prevent him to reveal'

or why you thought spending histories were a thing

i don't really consider roleblocker guilties "guilties" so that didn't really occur to me as a motivation. it seemed more likely to me that he tracked someone to a kill or something of that sort

i wasn't referring to "spending histories" as a specific thing, just moreso the idea tha tkeeping track of how people spent their money could potentially reveal scum if they had done the self watch

Ooooh I just had a thought based on a past game

[Gamma Emerald]

N

ormally, I'd be throwing down on Gammagoo for that hammer, but I'm actually pretty sure of scum that isn't him.

S

o right now, I'm gonna sit on that, though, 'cus I am interested in what everyone else has to think.

G

ooey, do you have anything you want to share?

uh maybe i'm overlooking things but look at the bolded, first letter of each sentence

porkens did you see this?

i'm laughing right now but i'm also really disappointed. this is the exatc same shit that happened to me in product placement mafia and i just don't have the same energy to get as mad as i got in that game, nor do i want to repeat any of that game. if you ever wanted to see perhaps the angriest i've ever been in a game of mafia, look no further. the summary is that i was roleblocked on the same night that a kill was stopped and thus people got it in their heads that i "had" to be lynched, while all the while i was screaming to actually lynch scum (and the rest of the game proceeded to ignore me, kill me anyways, and lose to the scum i was pointing out).

did varsoon rb me n2 or whatever? yeah, it probably looks that way. not really sure how common the "nsg" letters are but they seem pretty specific. that doesn't make me scum.

i really don't want to go through that whole same situation again.

you're making a lot of assumptions to get to me being scum from varsoon blocking me. none of those assumptions are reliable and they're not things you should be going off of over the actual evidence that points to me being town

Well here’s the thing:
In Product placement 3 reasons existed as to how a Killed could be stopped, all fairly valid.
Here I don’t see any BP or protective claims or flips

[Gamma Emerald]

And Product Placement was the previous game I thought of

[Gamma Emerald]

what a wack example

u tried to compare this game where there are no flipped protectives to a game where there was a 3-shot doc

like ok my dude its a "lot of assumptions" to ignore the case of a n2 no-kill scum move

totally

See Nosferatu is on the level

[Gamma Emerald]

So by everyone’s silence I assume no one wishes to claim anything that could have stopped the n1 kill
VOTE: nsg

[Gamma Emerald]

Well this time I had to determine that no one had info counter to the logic against my vote
Interesting that you’re backing out here btw

[Gamma Emerald]

I get that, but neither came forward with relevant information. Therefore I find it reasonable to think that they don’t have any.

[Gamma Emerald]

that reads like he was trying for town not to get it
not sure why he'd bother if she was his partner

Yeah
It would be more advantageous to aim to get it rather than risk losing it

[Gamma Emerald]

Does anyone else find skitter and nsg’s collusion disturbing

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, who do you think is the scum between NSG, Skitter, Nos, and Pork? I'm still not 100%. I know for sure you're town, that's it.

nsg + skitter
The way skitter went from all in on nsg to a full backpedal is a solid buddy move, plus no explanation on the n1 lack of kill means it is still prolly nsg

[Gamma Emerald]

I think the track is consistent with what Shoshin was trying to do d4

[Gamma Emerald]

Skitter acts like him presenting the crumb against nsg makes him town
No it doesn’t, in MY FIRST EVER SCUM GAME, I had the idea to present something against my buddy to distance. If that type of play occurs to me as a raw newb, it certainly could occur to skitter. That’s not a reason to clear skitter, especially in this scenario

[Gamma Emerald]

I used tracker on Gamma on N4 because I doubted my innocent result and wanted to see

if he'd be caught visiting the nightkill again

(after the Creature thing).

this is incredibly strange wording

why would he be 'caught visiting the nk again'? nobody caught him in the first place?

I claimed to visit the nk
If I was seen targeting the nk it would make sense to say it was me being caught visiting the nk “again” because Id already stated I’d done it once

[Gamma Emerald]

Skitter acts like him presenting the crumb against nsg makes him town
No it doesn’t, in MY FIRST EVER SCUM GAME, I had the idea to present something against my buddy to distance. If that type of play occurs to me as a raw newb, it certainly could occur to skitter. That’s not a reason to clear skitter, especially in this scenario

Why would presenting the crumb against NSG make Skitter town if NSG is town in Skitter's mind? It's actually absurd.

I was countering his counter to my argument

[Gamma Emerald]

Skitter acts like him presenting the crumb against nsg makes him town
No it doesn’t, in MY FIRST EVER SCUM GAME, I had the idea to present something against my buddy to distance. If that type of play occurs to me as a raw newb, it certainly could occur to skitter. That’s not a reason to clear skitter, especially in this scenario

a) she

b) i really see no reason why i'd point at a rb guilty on my partner in mylo

a) sorry

b) for the WIFOM? What you’re doing right now?

[Gamma Emerald]

Have we had a VT claim at all this game? Or was the neap a pure bust

[Gamma Emerald]

Beyond alignment, I can see why Shoshin think her argument is persuasive and why skitter doesn’t
Shoshin has two forms of info on me plus an action that doesn’t fit how scum would act
But since Skitter doesn’t know any of the innoes are true, the only thing there is the creature target, which I can understand someone being leery of.

[Gamma Emerald]

nuance of thought in real-time (it's lke way different from her last few scumgames)

although as i typed htis i realize i need to check that altgame at some point

What altgame

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay
Thought I might have something to say because it felt familiar

[Gamma Emerald]

I could alt hunt you with that
Not in the mood though

[Gamma Emerald]

Could you state what you specifically think is nuanced?

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk what you mean by nuance then
None of those posts felt too good to me

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t really see much sign of deeper thinking, it feels like something thrown together

[Gamma Emerald]

Coherent POV = narrative
Uhhh check your bias? The thing you’re townreading nsg for could easily be a point against her

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah i kinda thought that as i wrote that

it just felt like a real good convo in realtime? idk how to explain better really

Idk what to say then, I can’t time travel to re-experience those interactions

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: no lynch
Don’t want to drag this out at this point

[Gamma Emerald]

Interesting kill
Porkens, results from your gacha items?

[Gamma Emerald]

No.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Nos did you target Porkens with your ability last night? And does it allow them to use the doubled powers the same night?

[Gamma Emerald]

Nosferatu

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would you not target Porkens? A double tracker could eliminate a pairing if I understand how your role works correctly

[Gamma Emerald]

not sure what you think my role does

It gives them two uses of the ability right?

[Gamma Emerald]

not sure what you think my role does

It gives them two uses of the ability right?

no it gave him 2 abilities

Which means?

[Gamma Emerald]

What does it do then

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok so he got Neighborizer and Tracker from that
Also tfw autocorrect goes that>that.

[Gamma Emerald]

vla till democrats take the house.

So if they don’t will you replace out?

[Gamma Emerald]

What was nsg’s claim again?

[Gamma Emerald]

Nos, whats your gold situation?

[Gamma Emerald]

disappointing to say the least

can we use an item the same night we buy it or

Yeah
What I’m hoping is someone who already has 200 gold gets the Extreme Teen Bible, either some else gets that amount from their own quantities or being boosted by you, and both of those people protect one of Shoshin/Porkens

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok well same deal
I have 0 gold rn and can only get 170 today without boosting
So I’m interested in figuring out who can get the protective power besides me because if only one person has enough they have to make a judgement call

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, please give me gacha.

If you're town, it should be clear to you that I'm town as well, and that means from your perspective the last scum is between Nos/Pork.

So give me gacha.

How does me being Town make you town
Only things I know rn is at least one of you/nsg is scum vía no hammer, and nsg was tracked to the kill.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m down with the plan tho

[Gamma Emerald]

Seriously

[Gamma Emerald]

Not hammering

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait so did we lose

[Gamma Emerald]

not likely that porkens gets lynched in 3p lylo

I was really hoping people would sit down shut up and listen to my night plan
But nope, Nos had to vote randomly like an idiot

[Gamma Emerald]

You no lynched when scum could've ended the game with 2 kills in LYLO
I don't want to hear your attempts at justifying that play.

How was Shoshin supposed to know that wasn’t optimal play without cheating
Get off her case with your exclusive knowledge

[Gamma Emerald]

You helped keep town from mislynching but that doesn't mean you drove lynches on scum, which is what wins town the game.

Next time please focus on getting scum lynched.

That’s what she did.
Step the fuck off.

[Gamma Emerald]

I should've claimed the block outright at daystart but I thought that I'd have a better chance of catching more scum if I crumbed it and waited to see who was scumreading/townreading NSG before I dropped a hard guilty there.

This did work out in that we caught Gammagooey, but it backfired in that even when my NSG crumb got picked up, town went with a No Lynch over it.

I'm not saying NEVER NO LYNCH AT MYLO. I'm saying NEVER NO LYNCH IN A CLOSED SETUP.
As for potential risks, scum could have gotten another kill--that's not 'really really low'. That's literally 'game over'.
Yes, you shouldn't have trusted Nos, especially given how fickle they'd proven earlier in the game, but you had more leeway on Nos fucking around while in MYLO whereas you had none in LYLO.

I've been designing closed setups for 5 years now, Shoshin.
Can you just take my advice on that?

So... Town should never no lynch in a normal? Those are closed too.

[Gamma Emerald]

in the interest of fairness to nos, he was just as right as everyone else was - having one correct scumread (me) and one incorrect one

That just makes his play worse tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

He scum read you and me right
How does he vote Shoshin from that in any scenario

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess that makes sense but you’re still being incredibly hard on someone who tried their best in all other cases.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay I’m glad you’re apologizing for how hard you’re being about it at least
Shows you’re not just irrationally blaming

[Gamma Emerald]

@Nos I wanted this win and felt I had an avenue to reach it
You being spiteful ruined that
Tell me why you’re the one in the right?

[Gamma Emerald]

Don’t do it again then. I was earnestly trying to figure this game out, and your spite ruined that
PEdit: I’m honestly willing to give you amnesty if you promise to not act in a method directly against your chances of winning from now on. I won’t blacklist you if you don’t but I’ll try to put a word in for you if you do that.

[Gamma Emerald]

Fair enough

[Gamma Emerald]

Lol what

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I need to stop quiting on reading games

[Gamma Emerald]

I voted because arguing for the lynch was too much effort then