the worst Idea Mafia - Game Over!

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If I claim, I can't do this again, it ruins part of the checking equation.

Don't do this again.

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Those kinda feel more like microscopic crumbs to me. Not doubting you, but it's just kinda meh vrumbs that no one would pick up on so you can harken back to them later.

And what's up with vax suddenly pressuring Eragon? With these vague "I cant claim, but hes gotta claim because my role can prove him wrong"
Yadda yadda.
Just seems off to me

And I want to know his reasonings for pushing me to claim even though he was voting RCE for voting me just 5 posts before pushing me toclaim

(Means he wa sp.much townreading me and then asked me to claim)




And ye they were pretty small crumbs meant to not be picked up on except people really thinking it through

I didn’t want to be too obviousl

There was a night phase in between those two things, js.

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Wait why is Vaxkiller not claiming even after Eragon has claimed?

What anti claiming mechanics are people referring to even?

Can we talk about the scumminess that is BNL lurking and choosing this to poke into knowing Eragon is probably gonna push Vax.

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Shock why was I so wrong about you?
While that is a town af post......he would have still been Backup at the time he crumbed it, not jammer so it checks out. Not a slip lol.

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Good news is I don't want to Lynch you now.

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Invis are you still town?

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Yeah, maybe I'll claim.

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You were pushing me toclaim before I even said anything’

Because I could check your claim. THen you said it was complicated and had anti claim mechanics... that did not check out.

VOTE: Vaxkiller
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But I never claimed anti-claim mechanics, thus you could not have “checked me” for anti-claim mechanics

Me thinks Vax' play bis anti-town, but not scummy. In other words, I believe this to be a misplay by a townie, rather than bold scum.

Well said, I had the same feeling. It sounded better in Vax'head than it actually played out.

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It's not regarding anything. You just weren't around at all.

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Like, I'm not going in depth but if Vax is scum WITH somebody(possibly multiple somebodies) or WW then yeah maybe I see the play but not how he played it after.

So Vax goes: hey I've got something
Eragon: uhh no
V: guys he won't claim
E: *claims*
V: Wait I wasn't ready

But he could have just said no you visited X person. Consider that Eragon claims and Vax!Scum has the opportunity to use that and claim aaaaaany role he wants with aaaaaaany result he wants and probably gets his mislynch.

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Uhhh who wanted to lynch before this? At all....

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Lynch vax*

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So I was typing up a readslist until I realized everyone was in my town circle except SS and bnl. So that's where I want to lynch.

A50 and invis are the first two out of my towncircle pre flip.

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Before eragon vs vax, what threat was there for scum!vax to make a play. Who was voting and/or scumreading him. Or suspecting him at all.

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Other pertinent questions not directed solely at you. Before the wagon on Vax day 1 was broken up who all voted him besides Eragon, POTUS, and invis? He was at L-2 at one point without anyone expressing a scumread non-activity related.

Carca why is A50's "slight distancing" more likely to be a partner interaction than me literally derailing Vax's wagon on both days?

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So being pretty widely townread based on role discards do you think Scum Vax goes into the scum pt, types "watch this ****", and proceeds to pull a stunt like that. For fun maybe?

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I guess, I've only played with him once. I dunno if he's a trolly kinda guy.

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So day 1 wagon was:

POTUS(T), eragon, invis, bnl, I think the last was ceejay iirc, I know he wanted to lynch Vax after the wagon fell apart.

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If we Lynch in those three we hit one scum or 3p. Like guaranteed.

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Why is eragon not being lynched? Even if he is Backup, you don't think backup can be useful for scum?

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Is there a particular reason an Eragon lynch is off the table?

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His role is confirmable...?

If we end up with two kills. Or he could be scum backup, claim use on a partner and he gets semi townbinned when partner "confirms" they had no night action.

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Ehh I'm gonna stop talking for awhile, see what you guys wanna do.

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Shock is town stop it. Let's vote SS and call it a day.

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Game throwing.

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Don't make me regret taking bulletproof dolphin as scum. /s

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Bnl or SS, I won't budge today

VOTE: SS
VOTE: Bnl
VOTE: SS
VOTE: Bnl
VOTE: SS

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Dude I just started townreading him. Don't do this to me.

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Agree with Vax, 3p double lyncher isn't a problem unless scum holds majority and we don't know how many, if any at all, there are. And even if there are no scum and it is just so. I doubt it's sk double lyncher.

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Ari can you check your role again? And I would like you to actually go back and see your role, and not cite it from memory.
Also, can you clearly state all rolecards you received at the beginning?

Btw slimer I also want you to go back to reread your role (but not claim it), just so you don't repeat what you did in Charging.

you're never going to let me live that down, are you? >.>

Great. So Shocks role is anti town. Still don't want to "waste" a lynch on that. I want scum.

Ever considered the possibility that maybe there is no scum? Because it's entirely possible that theres just a hand full of third parties, then some townies.
Especially given the fact that someone else flipped 3p yesterday. The killing faction could very well just be an unclaimed vig/pgo/serial killer

This is also bad. It's either wifom to throw town off hunting scum or SK tmi.

VOTE: slimer

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I never claimed unlynchable, the lynched jester did. I'd appreciate it if you didn't try to guinea pig me.

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I've already claimed and flipped, wuuu?

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It's cool, sheep my slimer read.

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Dolphin has no ability aside from flipping correct.

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Ducky needs more sleep or there are double voter/voteless mechanics in play.

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This may very well have been. A series of unfortunate events.

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C'mon AP...

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Don't think SS is scum here anymore, which makes Cheeky's early defenses look like tmi.

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But for good measure I want to fully flip carca today and decide wether AP lives it dies as a result.

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I don't think you share an alignment.

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What was your role again?

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Ahh rolecop I remember.

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Mmkay so I think the Vax vote day 1 is significant again. With Slimer off of that wagon (5 votes) and taking 7 to Lynch. What incentive did he have to stay off of that wagon?

Keep in mind he had already expressed that he thought Vax' could be scum.

It shouldn't have grown to that size to begin with (look at that discard) but it did, in his scumread, 2 votes from a Lynch on arguably scums hardest mislynch.

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I mean I just spearheaded scums death but, k.

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Bnl/Chara/a50. I reconsidered the carca/a50 thing but it only works one way really.

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Well tbh I thought it was possible there was no mafia and slimer sk slipped.

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Only scenario SS is scum is if he vanity voted slimer and couldn't back off when the wagon got rolling due to knowing slimer couldn't get out of it that late in the day and knowing his flip. I'd have to look back at why SS voted in the first place but don't think they are partners.

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?? An RB role is claimed but there were no extra kills so shock is cleared or eragon is lying.
Potus had to RB someone and there was still only 1 kill so there wasn't a second faction blocked there.
One BP has flipped and I wasn't shot. If there's a cult they weren't blocked on either night and could have 2 more recruits by now.
Xtoxm wasn't recruited n1 because they had a correct check. Vax didn't flip as a cultist and that's probably the number 1 cult option going into night 1.

Dunno what a duplicate kill is but w/e. A single claim today will disprove multiball.

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My post still stands.

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Gim is intended to be a shit show.

If there's cult that would mean some combination of Bnl, Chara, a50, SS would be the cult team. Up to 3, making the game 3v5v1 likely or there is a benign 3p floating around like survivor. 3v4v1v1, and the rabbit hole just gets deeper from there.

Point is if cult is your argument then you would have to Lynch in that exact pool of chara/a50/Bnl/ss

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Why so defensive? We know the roles of shock, myself, xtoxm, Carca, and eragon and the alignment of at least shock. SS gets towncred for being on slimer and calling it out initially. He's the only one I'm giving town credit to for the Lynch.

Now that leaves Bnl who is unknown, Chara for the iffy interactions early game, you as another unknown, I guess xtoxm could still be scum. Calling out 3p Shock doesn't exactly make him town. Carca.....idk dolphin doesn't have any utility for scum. Eragon could be fake claiming and was also off the wagon, if there are multiple scum being off the wagon is a death sentence.

Now I explained why I picked that pool if there's a cult. But since it bothers you I'll go over it again.

Carca and myself haven't been recruited, we both flipped. If Eragon isn't recruited then a recruit would have had to come from Chara, you, Bnl, or ss. If cult can recruit every night, that may not be the case but for the hypothetical let's say, then that means no cultists have flipped and there are 3 alive......out of 4 possible slots.

YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE SLOTS. Do you see where I'm coming from?

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Shock.....what is your wincon?

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Well if I or carca were recruited then all of eragon, shock, and xtoxm are cleared as they had their abilities going into the night. I'm arguing that multiball isn't likely. I would have recruited potus as well, or Vax night.

I get you don't want to be scumread but like.....nothing clears you. Xotxm might have a check on you but that's about it.

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i'm not worrying about multiball until there's evidence of it in kills.
if there's a cult i feel like we may be screwed anyway, as was just said.
i'm townreading most of the recent discussion.

if anyone is townreading SS could they yell at me as to why?

pedit: hi Almost! thanks for towntelling.

SS was voting slimer while I was on my SS/Bnl scum crusade. While it was never really explained it came at a time no one was really mentioning him.

Slimer was also pretty willing to sheep my vote in case it got going. If Slimer had a partner it's highly likely it's just Chara here.

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If the game is still going there is a threat to town. I'm assuming one with a killing power. All this multiball, I'm not buying it at all. The single night kills is evidence to the contrary.

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You're in her slot. From what I've gathered, it seems to be for the lols
Even though shes a bit more serious than that from whatever I know about her

i know i'm in her slot. that doesn't mean i know her thought process.

BnL: i feel as though i've just said?
pirate traitor, post streamer, and town friendly neighbour.
post streamer's alignment was listed as vanilla.

Because I still don't understand how the alignment and role from the same card would have been discarded @xtoxm.

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Yeah but the discarded role is from the same card. I assume it is vanilla/ post streamer that was discarded. But idk there are other similar discards.

My alignments we're Town Town SK so it wasn't the same I guess.

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Oooooh your right. I'm losing my mind.

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> sees vc
> screaming internally eternally

Same bud.

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Wait what makes Shock group scum? Instant follow-up question if you believe shock is group scum with Slimer why would you press on xtoxm who is never partners with Shock?

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Don't want to slander any players but I can vouch, it would be a Nico thing to do.

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Town probably just wins with Bnl/A50/carca in that order.

Don't know how many potential lynches we have but yeah.

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Yes.

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Yeah I thought flipping and leading a scum lynch would do that but hey it happens.

If I get lynched before I check back in, SS not mafia, carca probably town, xtoxm not mafia....don't think 3p role cop is like a good choice so probably town. Lynch Bnl, Chara, A50 in that order.

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Oh and shock is confirmed 3p so you guys decide what to do there later. Think town can use him tbh.

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VOTE: Bnl

Ok, if I'm the Lynch just look back at bnl's reads and pushes tomorrow. That is all.

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VOTE: Almost50

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

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The fact this was the only 2 kill night and eragon was one of the deaths suggests there are no more killing roles or both eragon and the killing faction targeted bnl.

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I mean as scum I've now bussed a partner that wasn't going to be the Lynch and hammered my other partner with barely any time left to deadline when he easily could have lived through the night.

I will say I definitely would have chosen 3p if the alignment wasn't a part of the role. SK bulletproof dolphin would have been sick.

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i lynched mafia, i can't be mafia. or can i?

Ah, the RCE gambit, I see.

Can this be a thing? Lol

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I don't have Carca meta per say but I read her town most of this game on play, specifically her claim timing and a bit of OGI.

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VOTE: SS idk we aren't getting anywhere tbh.

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Ehh sure VOTE: rcenigma

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I don't follow either but we're getting somewhere.

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Implying Kokichi is jester... But a dolphin?

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Also...a dolphin??

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Is jester an alignment?

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Well I just wiki'd it and the first line is literally "jester is a role..."

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This goes back to the argument A50 had. Though one of my alignment choices was SK (the alignment tied with the orca role) so it could be I guess.

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1.) The game is at a standstill, so staying or being lynched isn't a big deal to me either way.
2.) I'm suspected, this resolves me and I don't have much utility outside of...well not dying in the night
3.) I've played my part in lynching what I believe to be all members of the scum team and I'm less motivated to 3p hunt.

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It's not, lol I was town.

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Gg all and awesome flavor Gamma. Special thanks to TW too.

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I do think Gamma giving me two kills was a reasonable interpretation of Ari's role, although it is a shame that Xtoxm didn't know.

Also, my understanding of vengeful is that it's closer to a lynch than a vig shot, and so I wouldn't let bulletproof stop a vengekill. But it doesn't seem like there's a standard on that.

It does make sense why xtoxm was pushing for shocks Lynch the last two days