the worst Idea Mafia - Game Over!

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Guess who's back after another multi year hiatus. I recognise a couple names ;p

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A50 is town. Stop pushing there

I have never found subtle hints at information particularly productive. If you have something firm you may as well put it on the table.

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VOTE: shock

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We should lynch RC if this comes up group scum. And if not maybe still.

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Took me a while to logic this out but I believe shock is non town. He is a double lyncher. This is a very low utility role for town (high chance of basically being vanilla depending on setup), and can only be town initially according to the grand idea thread. He discarded search and rescue, which is decent utility for town. This means he picked his alignment from a 3rd unknown role. Search and rescue has zero utility to anything that isn't town, so choosing non town alignment makes sense for discarding it.

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Before

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I didn't say anything about 3p, that was A50. I'm saying town doesn't make sense based on his role choices.

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Town doublevoter is NOT the result I received, and is not how double lyncher role works as defined in the grand idea thread. I can only assume this is a disingenuous attempt to mislead? What was 3rd role that you were given at the start?

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Great. So Shocks role is anti town. Still don't want to "waste" a lynch on that. I want scum.

Why do you think he's not scum. Have you looked up the roles in question? I think some people are not following the argument I've tried to make. Based on his admitted choices he is objectively scummy, and his defence amounts to "i made an anti town decision based on personal preference". He could be just scum making an anti town decision.

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@RC, have you hard claimed unlychable?
If yes, do you still stand by it?

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I've been prodded.

At a glance I don't understand why we aren't lynching shock based on the available info.

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Im not particularly expecting to survive the night but is there a preference for who I target?

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Ok I blocked shock, so he is like 99.9% confirmed town

Should expand

99.9% confirmed double lynched/no ability

Which makes him confirmed not mafia/killing/harmful neutral

Why not Mafia

who didn't shoot Vax

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Becuase they still would have ability

We have his role, so no there would not be another ability. This game has things like aliens to consider. Your evidence clears him of killing last night.

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I have a result on a living player. I don't believe it's productive to reveal.

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Based on discard it's a soft-town result

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I don't believe I've said.

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Your lack of comprehension is very irritating.

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an RC scumread would need to explain his slimer vote, the timing doesn't look like bussing to me.

I mean slimmer being the only maf is a thing that can happen in this setup

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hmm

I don't know who I want to lynch today

it might be RCE's time to go, he doesn't have a useful ability and xtoxm/eragon both do.

A50 might not be a bad vote either... I forget, did he claim?

I don't know if I see town winning this game without RC being town tho.

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Yeah people being too lazy to check the roles thread is a large part of why this game is such a shitshow

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Also,

1. Where's the whole idea that there may be a cult coming from?

2. Is it stated anywhere that being recruited to a cult also vanillises them?

Probably scum looking for something to talk about

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I don't get all this chara hate he was the only one who reacted in a town way to my info yesterday.

My lynch pool atm is bnl a50 carca sv.

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My lynch pool atm is bnl a50 carca sv.

Alright, Lynch me already.

Ok

VOTE: A50

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i meant to ask for an answer on why Xtoxm has decided to vote Almost instead of BnL, but BnL's answer was good too.

Because he's claiming to have made a sub optimal town play. Picking godfather which is neg until on town is a far inferior choice to the suicidal vig thing he claims to have passed up, which while not a great role is still positive utility and you just aim to not use it unless you have no choice.

Looks like possibly scum real claiming role as a result of my existence and just swapping alignment claim. Cud it's a pretty shitty claim. Either im not willing to accept people claiming sub optimal town plays. And I've no idea why the majority of people in this game are. If we can't assume that town players will make decisions in the interest of town then wtf are we doing here.

This is why I sat on sv all of yesterday. Only reason im not doing that again is Eragons evidence on him. And I'll probably do the same to a50 today now.

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Either way*
Plus some other typos that don't need fixing

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I've never played with scum-him, but I'm doubt he would shy away from doing that given that he loves doing it as town.

And also, I wouldn't call his claim "premature." If you look at it from a "never claim until you're at L-1 and there is intent," then yeah it is, but a lot of people have claimed this game without being under that much pressure. (I think even slimer wasn't at L-1 when he claimed.) If he had already planned to claim town godfather, and he saw some votes start to develop on him, it makes sense for him to claim earlier before he gets run up, to try to divert the votes onto someone else.

That really only applies to by claims

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Vt. Autocorrect..

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I've never played with scum-him, but I'm doubt he would shy away from doing that given that he loves doing it as town.

And also, I wouldn't call his claim "premature." If you look at it from a "never claim until you're at L-1 and there is intent," then yeah it is, but a lot of people have claimed this game without being under that much pressure. (I think even slimer wasn't at L-1 when he claimed.)

If he had already planned to claim town godfather

, and he saw some votes start to develop on him, it makes sense for him to claim earlier before he gets run up, to try to divert the votes onto someone else.

I'll disregard all your speculation about what I'd do if I was scum, but the bolded interests me. Why would anyone plan to claim Town Godfather? I mean, for all practical purposes I am a named VT with no night action and I don't fear being "jammed" by Eragon, so why not claim a VT? Why not something more interesting like Commuter or PGO even.

If you know my play -as you claim- then you know I have a vivid imagination and would probably come up with something that prevents anyone from targeting me at all, or at least make them think twice before they do.

And, do you think my claim really prevents my lynch? Do you think I am not aware that there's nothing that mechanically makes any town player think "not a big loss to lose him"? So, again, why wouldn't I come up with something more valuable to keep a live? I mean, it's a really large pool and the game isn't even guaranteed to be balanced, so I'm sure if I looked up the roles thread I would've been able to come up with something that made you go "Oh, WOW! I'm not lynching this today". No?

Nice try playing dumb

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Do you guys want an extension?

Not particularly.

Xtoxm claims rolecop.
Sv claims double lyncher.
A50 claims godfather who discarded regretful vig.
Chara claims traitor.
Eragon claim role stop backup thing that clears sv of last night's kill.
+2 dolphins

Think that's everything everything, saved you catching up you're welcome.

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I'm not sure what benefit revealing you're action at this point does other than to prevent a lynch, but you don't look to be imminent danger.

It would be nice if the non voters started to place a vote somewhere. If Eragon is flaking we probably want that extension.

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It would only confirm his role. I'm probably not going to get round to checking him so there's some value in that.

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Nah I don't want RC, too much apathy in this game and he's saying actually sensible stuff.

Unrelated, this carca replacement feels like scum.

Eragon you gonna vote?

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I checked BnL. And got the result.

I do wonder if we've deleted the mafia team, more than 2 feels unlikely from random and a lot of mafia roles were discarded as well.

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Why would she be clear if we confirmed her as traitor?

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Right, yeah, she wouldn't be able to kill.

Maybe eragon jammed bnl?

P-ed

I think there is a list on the wiki somewhere

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Do we consider no lynch and I try to get a result on chara? Or is that a terrible idea

I feel like I just die in that scenario, but we could try

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Just the fact that ive survived 2 nights since claiming makes chara not a killing scum, because they dont fear me

Chara is either what she claimed or some other form of non hostile

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Eragon barely posted yesterday, and the one comment he did make suggested he wasn't along with that idea. I thought he would target someone else given bnl said he had an action. I was suspicious of bnl, didn't expect him to die and really wanted to have something on him if I survived. In hindsight clearly I should have targeted chara. I'll admit I didn't realise the significance of the traitor role, so yeah I'll own that my bad.

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Last time I played this setup there were 2 aliens that didn't use their kill and so no one had reason to suspect they existed until late on. The chances of this setup with the random nature not having multiball or at least some sort of 3p are like really low. And I hear you on the no evidence argument, but our numbers are such that we should consider these possibilities now.

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Ari bring cleared of the previous kill also no longer means anything

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I agree with kok/ari.

I don't think I've ever felt more underwhelmed with a replacement than Kokicki. Both are probably not town.

I'd also like to go on record at this point and say I will be surprised negative amounts if RC ends up being some kind of non-mafia scum and endgames us after lynching all the other scum.

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I confirm I know it

Do you also want me to claim it

I can do that if there is still some doubt I have the ability I say I do

Otherwise I don't think we need to worry about a non-town role wanting everything in the open

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Oh

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That slot flaked before I arrived and I haven't done much backreading

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Ari u wanna cross vote and get this game moving?

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Because kokicki didnt just make a bunch of posts angling to vote me

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And i care more about voting correctly than being voted incorrectly so your threat will have little effect

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Ari u wanna cross vote and get this game moving?

Meh sure.

This is a towny mindset but somethong has to happen lol
Plus it's fakeable enough.

VOTE: Xtox Live

VOTE: ari

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should i take this as "if Chara isn't scum, Ari probably is"?

I don't know.

I think there's a good chance Ari is scum, but for ~reasons~ I don't want to lynch him today.

Also I had reasoning for Carcalilly town. She seemed to think that her alignment would also be revealed when she dolphin-flipped.

Well who then. I feel best about him being not town. I do feel he's prob 3p with how much he's talked about it. He looks like he almost wants to claim 3p.

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Link

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Huh kaintepes was your alt

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So from the sk game you initially protested town, then claimed sk at l-1 with intent. It looked like an absolute last resort.

I do believe you would claim 3p (If you are) if pressured hard enough. I don't believe you've been pressured to that point in this game.

I will look at the other links later, I have a busy day

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Ok same thing in 1770 you still hasn't admitted at l-1 and said you would have if you got intent

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And 1867 it wasn't you that outed it was your survivor partner.

It's clear to me there is not evidence in those games that you would have claimed 3p

by this point

, and I can only take your attempt to imply such as more likely not to come from town

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Force replace dodge

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huh

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I could vote kokicki

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Would jester end the game if lynched?

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No, you.

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You pick role and alightment separately in this game so that means nothing?

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Yes...

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Picking bulletproof jester is master play tbh
Why are you self voting otherwise?

mod is jester a role or alignment in this game

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yeah i will

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welp if we just threw to a jester i wasnt part of it

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it would be a fitting end to this game

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traitor result on chara

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so shes town i guess

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would a solo traitor gain factional kill in this game?

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@mod

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vengestump

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sweet.
i dont have to think today

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i assume you've confirmed with mod the 2 kills?

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we can wrap this up quickly if you guys want
start with ari voting SS?

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Because those roles resolve in a way that's counter intuitive to me so I didn't consider it.

There's still a crucial part of his plan that needs to be satisfied though, 3 town have to be alive. Ari voted him so surprisingly he may be town?

Basically chara if your win con is with town you hammer. If your win con is with scum you don't vote ss, and we'll no lynch or something.

Nice gimmick ending.
/shrug

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so the bp doesn't even work on the venge either. the wording sounded like it would.