Mini 2049: The Townsquare Game Over

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Hi all

I will catch up later today

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Just want to double check that the only special mechanics the setup offers are non-normal roles?

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I thought getting nightkilled was your favorite thing?

I believe I've mixed my games.. AGAIN. I thought this one was NIGHTLESS! *Sigh*

I sure need to stop playing too many games and with too many accounts.

I dont buy this... the town description mentions other wincons being impossible for us to win. This def some sort of scum or 3p. VOTE: almost50

What kind of answer are you expecting...? serious question lmao

~ tw

As of page 4 I have town reads on almost50 and cheeky teeky.

A50 getting 4 votes off of a "slip" points to them being town.

Cheekys resistance to that wagon is town

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Quote is unintentional

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He did an interesting slip that might be alingment relevant.
He declared it was an innocent error due to another game he's in.
We can't discuss ongoing games.
We can ask for accounts.
I can do my own research about ongoing games with certain info without needing to discuss them.
He's aware of this and is being oddly cagey in his responses to me - I suspect because he's aware.
Sheep me?

This is a good case on surface level. However, anyone who has seen your scum play in a couple of 2 recent games (including one I saw you from the modding slot) I can see this coming from scum you over town you.

I am referring to:

Overkill 1
And
Welcome To Paris

Thor needs to start getting policy lynched over this ongoing games shit

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By the way I completely understand thor's point I just didn't read or talk to tw since monday. The reason why I personally didn't want to comment is that I feel we've stumbled into a grey area and I'm sure what to do. Thor is confident it is not breaking the rules if A50 gives us his alt's names and then we use the names to find his ongoing games but that still feels wrong to me somehow

Therefore I'm in favor of disregarding the whole exchange between A50 and thor and try to sort them from future posts but maintain like a massive FOS on A50 because it's his fault.

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I'm not* sure what to do.

You're perfectly allowed to look at and think about ongoing games.
You're just not allowed to discuss them.

Fucking hell

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wut
I assume this relates to YGM

I dont know ygm but I could use the game we were in to cite my policy claim as well

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As of page 14, I agree with skitter's sentiment about Lady Angel beetlejuiceing

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So nobody posted while they're drunk it appears.

Bahahahaha I got this

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That's the last post I've read up till now.

I think thor is making terrible arguments this game. Quote this post if you disagree so I can see if I need to detail this out

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I assume this relates to YGM

I dont know ygm but I could use the game we were in to cite my policy claim as well

YGM = you’ve got mail
Iirc you were in that

Did thot push you to claim over some nonsense involving ongoing game meta?

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*thor, sorry

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If I didnt know what it was I would have left the typo as it stood

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Skitter I think there is too much solid content in this game for a compromise lynch

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Flubber have you finished catching up?

Yes

VOTE: thor

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^^ that's a VT claim

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Or "I'm going to burn the few hours we have for a new wagon and cause no lynch" with is policy-deserving.

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Is this the part where we flash lynch Robert?

Since you don't seem interested in milk anymore then yes.. it's worth a shot to counter thor's wagon.

VOTE: Robert

Plus he's clearly been pro-thor wagon for a while, but subtly pushing it by pointing out how close he is to being lynched instead of voting, without offering like a defence or counter case so it's not like he's pointing it out out of fear that we mislynch.

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??? He wanted a post before thread lock and claimed intent

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There are four hours until deadline.

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I am not declaring vla but I have unexpected work this weekend

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I don't know what to make of the Robert filp yet. He is a tough read. Cursory skim of the D1 vc shows him as a cw to a50. He had the "longest" wagon in terms of it sitting on vc's (disappointed in myself for not noticing that resistance).

I don't know what to make of the lady angel vote park on Robert's wagon atm

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VOTE: lady angel

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Want my attention?

Why did it work?

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lynching between {milk, skitter} seems good for today. lady angel is good pick for scum off wagon for staying on Robert for so long, but she's also lurking so it's hard to make that argument.

VOTE: milkcarton

I dont see skitter as scum in the slightest

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I don't understand why there's any suspicion on me today? I was hoping to cruise until I felt like dedicating more time to the game.

Angel can you please explain your read on me apart from today? Like why did you open thinking I could be scum? You too joges please.

I remember you asking a lot of questions but I dont really remember you making a lot of pushes so I can see why there would be an aura of suspicion around you

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lynching between {milk, skitter} seems good for today. lady angel is good pick for scum off wagon for staying on Robert for so long, but she's also lurking so it's hard to make that argument.

VOTE: milkcarton

I dont see skitter as scum in the slightest

lol are you scum then?

Can you walk me through how you're making this association?

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@flub: there's a limited amount of people on that wagon if skitter isn't scum there's like 3(?) people it could be? those people include you

Walk me through your thor analysis. Scum on Thor's wagon make sense. I guess I see why someone would find me as scum, but I want to hear about the other two.

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lynching between {milk, skitter} seems good for today. lady angel is good pick for scum off wagon for staying on Robert for so long, but she's also lurking so it's hard to make that argument.

VOTE: milkcarton

I dont see skitter as scum in the slightest

Hit me up why's she town?

I mirror a lot of her thoughts in handling the thor wagon. In addition, she is incredibly transparent and to my knowledge has a meta where she struggles with that as scum. I think the fact that nobody has really tried casing her is also telling.

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Or we could look during this day phase

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Sure, while you're here flubber - why did you feel ok lynching thor after you announced he was a VT claim at eod?

VT claims ususally get lynched. The point of a claim before a hammer is to make sure a PR doesn't get lynched.

Amongst all the things that have changed in how this site plays mafia, that has 100% remained constant here and a lot of other places too. So I have no idea why you are asking this.

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that lolclear based on meta he clearly hasn't checked is pretty damning imo. I don't want to clear this as a s/s reaction to my question, either.

Some players have an incredibly distinct meta. I could be misremembering if that is the case. Do you have a scum game of skitter's in mind?

Is that the most of what bothers you about my comment on skitter? My big issue wasn't whether or not skitter was town, but that omochao seems to be picking random people off the thor wagon to consider for lynch.

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I don't really feel like I've had much of a chance to get into the game and really dont like the idea of lynching early today

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Skitter

There's some players that have incredibly distinct metas between their town game and scum game (antihero, ari, myself when I was new), and I probabaly misremembered you as one of them.

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I don't mind the DLA wagon as he is one of my suspects but also let's not forget milk&trivium's TMI posts.

Trivium called A50/Thor town at a time when I think nobody could have TR'd either of them confidently let alone TR both of them when they were arguing.

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Skimming a shit argument and going "yeah this is tvt" is pretty common from either alignment.

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Was I holding the game up? It might make sense to let omochaos VLA run its course through a night phase

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It wasn't obvious beforehand that I wouldn't be able to interact with omochao much today.

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intent to hammer dla

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VOTE: DarkLightA

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It's a stupid theory anyway because my request to talk a little was the only thing extending the day phase.

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flubber did you just vote him to end the day here? you never really mentioned dla before this post and your main objections to the lynch seemed to be that you didn't want the day to end before you had time to like catch-up and interact with people; were you scumreading him otherwise?

Yep. I felt like I was holding up a stagnant game.

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VOTE: cheeky

If we're not in endgame tomorrow we lynch duckduckjab

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I will first I want to hear why milk decided to JK me twice and why he didn't say anything after the first time.

Then I would like to know why flubber thinks it makes any sense for me to be JK'd two nights in a row where scum die both nights (people I was voting/pushing) and still be scum.

I want to say milk isn't scum but I fake crumbed pretty hard yesterday and he still JK'd me and scum still tried to kill me apparently so I'm pretty confused about wtf is going on.

I dont know why towns cant comprehend outing their results here but it's bitten me in the ass enough times to know to just go with it

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This makes zero sense as a scum gambit. You're basically guaranteed to get cc'd fakeclaiming this and even in the chance there's two scum that's just a stupid trade to make.

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I still think cheeky is the correct lynch here but I haven't put enough effort into this game to steer the town back on that path.

UNVOTE:

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@skitter - I wasn't sure what to make of the dla wagon. The circumstances of the hammer certainly made it look like he was looking for any excuse to lynch a townie, thor, instead of his buddy, robert, but then the speed of the wagon and the weak votes on it were suspicious. So I promised to hammer tp gauge reactions. I figured any decent scum would easily find a reason to make it L-1 without appearing scummy. But flubber didn't put a reason and that vote didn't come quickly after my promise nor were there any unvotes so none of the voters seemed to care that dla was getting so much heat. I'm concluding that all scum were on the wagon.

Time to lynch milk honestly. He has been very scummy, disconnected from the gamestate, TMI'd, was a solid wagon in day 1 that got countered, started getting votes day 2 but dla was thrown in there to counter.

VOTE: Milkcartonkid

-BuJ

My scum read on ddj was a snap reaction to this post. Milk lynch only makes sense in the event of a CC, of which there never was

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I still have no clue why scum tries so hard to kill cheeky over a different player high in people's reads lists.

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Cheeky's posting volume exploded after the result and "but the posts look town" is a read of D1 quality.

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Cheeky's posting volume exploded after the result and "but the posts look town" is a read of D1 quality.

What? Did you even read the posts? She literally said "you should lynch me to test this." This is explicitly against her win on as scum!cheeky but makes perfect sense for town

Well when you're on the cusp of losing what's left?

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Well hey, we can afford to lynch me if that's what it comes down to

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But in all seriousness an omgus/1v1 just gets scum lynched after their opponent greens so it's not a viable tactic, unless you're *seriously* entertaining a 4 scum setup.

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VOTE: cheeky

She is right though that even if I know I can't get a lynch through that unvoting is unacceptable.

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@Flubber: To me, voting Cheeky is the unacceptable choice. Please vote no lynch. Thanks you.

The only reason I would vote no lynch is if town decides they want to let the vig shoot for a Scummy

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@Flubber: To me, voting Cheeky is the unacceptable choice. Please vote no lynch. Thanks you.

The only reason I would vote no lynch is if town decides they want to let the vig shoot for a Scummy

That's the idea. Considering the Vig is 2/2 so far (as opposed to us being 0/2) I figure we let them do their thing for tonight before we intervene, maybe?

How exactly does a lynch stop the vig from shooting?

It doesn't. It just prevents the town's already miniscule chance of lynching scum so the vig can shoot them. Hence why I'm not taking the sentiment particularly seriously.

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Yeah I suspected a50 was vig when he supported my scummy comment

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We have

A50, Cheeky, DDJ, and Milk as conftown

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skitter30
CheekyTeeky
Omochao
Gamma Emerald
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Lady Angel

For a lynch pool

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9 players total (cheeky is in the lynch pool on accident)

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With 1 scum, that's 3 (ish) lynches.
With 2 scum ,that's 2 (ish)

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Preference {lady angel, omochao}
Gamma if we get a 3rd.

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Uh if there's no jk a50 shouldn't be alive

Maybe there's just no nk for scum and there's like 5 of them?

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i'm kinda thinking that scum may choose to suicide instead of nk'ing; it would explain milk's lolhammer yesterday if he knew he didn't need to face the consequences today

That's a terrible trade

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Uh if there's no jk a50 shouldn't be alive

Maybe there's just no nk for scum and there's like 5 of them?

Nvm I kinda like this for a derpclear

Let's massclaim ye

A50 is probably lying, yeah?

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Anyway I am vt

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So check skitter/flubber/gamma. And let's lynch thomas.

Game over. We lynch A50 if none of those die at night.

I withdraw my previous sentiment and entirely support this
(Buj is very good at bending arms)

You think Cheeky looks townier than Skitter?

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Has someone cracked this yet