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In post 345, Darkwing Duck wrote:Hmm that's a little townie from ap in tone
But now we get the spicy part where tgp accepts or refuses
Finally the game is interesting lol
@DD what happened in between these to make you change your mind?In post 380, Darkwing Duck wrote:Hmm, my better half strongly feels in AP's death.
Let's
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VOTE: AP-
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I'm gonna need more than that?
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I literally just replaced in and am reading and catching up, but I saw you were here and wanted to get in some IRT. I've been in the game what, 30 minutes? 45?In post 408, Darkwing Duck wrote:OK what are your reads of literally any other player Slaxx?-
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Of course Hydra dissonance is a thing.In post 409, Moment wrote:
You don't feel as if any consideration should be given to the fact that there are two different people posting under that account?In post 407, Slaxx wrote:Okay, so huge initial concern with DD saying both lynches could be town,voting both, but not really interacting with them in any meaningful way to discern their alignment.
It seems to me like the criteria you're applying makes sense for an individual, but not for a hydra.
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Oh, don't worry, we can still talk about you even if you aren't up for a lynch. Today.In post 412, Darkwing Duck wrote:
Yeah but right now you're exclusively pushing someone who mechanically cannot be lynched today so I don't really know what you're doing right now other than shading someone who has no idea who to lynch hereIn post 410, Slaxx wrote:I literally just replaced in and am reading and catching up, but I saw you were here and wanted to get in some IRT. I've been in the game what, 30 minutes? 45?-
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I haven't voted either of them, and I haven't read the whole thread yet. I started going in on the first thing that caught my attention. Seems like it might have paid off. You had multiple opportunities to engage with both but instead voted them. They don't have to be here, in the thread, for you to leave them a question. In fact, the only question you asked was if AP preferred a NL.In post 414, Darkwing Duck wrote:How can I interact with TGP when he's not here and I was just talking to AP like 20 minutes ago?
Why are YOU not talking to AP?
The fact you're waiving both of them off as town while not interacting with them is a huge red flag to me, and the fact you tried to shift the discussion away from you and onto them is probably even worse.-
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Okay, initial sense is:
Page 5:
Eragon's initial reaction to his wagon looks town. Trying to analyze and solve alignments and not being reactionary despite the quick wagon. Prying other players for their thoughts on it, viewing it as more of a means of information than a threat.
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I think moment's vote was fine for wagon's sake, it got people talking. Not really AI.
Okay, mind melding with Vedith some on how they are approaching the moment vote, that's nice.
Moment's vote was fine and so was their explanation.
Lots of stratting on this page, that's okay.
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#151 Moment's "Does that imply that you believe I'm town" is kind of a cheap push on Eragon, I feel like as town I talk assuming most people are town, because they are.
#158 Aronis refusal to vote is a bit scummy, so is the dismissive "it would still be random" when I feel like we are out of RVS at this point. Moment's townread of it....don't agree with.
#173 I can see where moment/vedith are coming from on the Eragon piece of letting someone else address the vote...but it wasn't like he was not actively trying to pry at other people. Nothing about his reaction to that wagon looked self-preservative to me.
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#175/176 Part of me feels like this is NAI and part of me feels like it is looking to town for queues.
#178 I like the questions being asked here.
Page 8 as a whole: Moment/Lab very unlikely partners. File that away.
#192 This push on lab is good.-
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So take a step back, and process the game first. You want to to talk after that, great. But maybe your top priority should be between the two people who are getting lynched and not whatever associative spew you think you will get from me?
These posts do not come from someone making an honest push. Provided I don't get iced, we are going to have words tomorrow.Are you stalling now that you have realized that coming in and spamming quick posts while having read nothing isn't going to get you townread?-
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I'm trying to be patient here.In post 438, Darkwing Duck wrote:This game has so many replacements because four people signed up that apparently didn't intend to play.
The pace has been slow and quite manageable for a game with the blitz title, you coming in and shading people before reading the thread is the only toxic thing that has happened this game. But if you're afraid people will replace out due to toxicity, then you can replace out yourself Slaxx and we can lynch your slot in peace.
I get your premise, that you think because I haven't read the thread I can't criticize you for not having a confident read on those two because how would I know unless I read it? But I ISO'ed you and saw you had minimal interaction with each, then decided to go ahead and start the questioning while I caught up. 2 simple Ctrl F's. What you are either ignoring or failing to understand -I'm becoming increasingly confident it is the former- is that your hydra dissonance is not what I had an issue with. I had an issue with you waiving both off as town with minimal reasoning or interaction, which I KNOW you have absorbed because you tried to throw it back at me as deflection here:
In post 414, Darkwing Duck wrote:How can I interact with TGP when he's not here and I was just talking to AP like 20 minutes ago?
Why are YOU not talking to AP?
This was the only interaction with AP. If you want what I'd expect someone who is town to do, I think Moment's questioning is probably the model for that right now.In post 394, AP wrote:
NO! I demand that we get a lynch through. I don't care if it's turns out to be me, but a lynch under these circumstances will be most beneficial for the town.In post 393, Darkwing Duck wrote:Well what does that leave you to conclude moment? Do you want to do a d1 no lynch?
And once again, you are ignoring the fact that, ya know, these posts are permanent. If they aren't on now they can read them when they are.-
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I. Am. Getting. There. I am responding to you, I am responding to McQueen, and I am doing pbp.In post 440, Darkwing Duck wrote:OK, why aren't you asking AP questions then?
Where is your line of questions to TGP?
Do you really think I would come in here as scum, push you for not asking questions, then just dance around and try to avoid asking my own? Is that something you sincerely believe is happening right now?-
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In post 229, Eragon wrote:Town- Eevee, Lab
*very slight* town- Vedith, Redtea
Null- everyone else
Slight scum- ThegoldenParadox, (originally Moment but now I’m just confused)
@Eragon where did Eevee-town come from?
#230 from Lab looked town
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#260 More good Socratic questioning from Vedith Re: Redtea
Okay, finally.
#288 Looks a NAI for TGP so far.
#296 Looks good on Lab Rat, he didn't have to react favorably to that and could have waited to guage reactions.
TGP #372 feels a lot like overexplaining leading up to the rejection
But #378 is more scumhunting than he did as scum in our entire last game together >_>
So, initial thoughts on all this: TGP's rejection and reasoning for rejection look way worse than AP's offer, even if his reason for an offer was basically YOLO sheeping.
First thing, I notice a lot of absence of town reads from like, almost everybody, so...
@AP/TGP: Any town reads?
@TGP
Do you really think scum brazenly spam the thread that much together? Have you genuinely ever seen that happen? I think they are almost definitely not partners. And there were plenty of interactions that seemed genuine.In post 378, TheGoldenParadox wrote:To respond to vedith - I'm not sure how my vote and post was terrible outside of you chainsaw defending Lab. Clearly the second I voted lab you jumped on me and scumread it while he townread it, so i'm visualizing a possibility of a lab/ved/? scumteam - it makes sense as they did seem to spam up the thread together and vedith seems to be hard attacking me for a vote.
I can see something like this being distancing:
But not this:In post 157, LabRat01 wrote:
:p0ut:In post 133, Vedith wrote:
Means it's a terrible comment.In post 128, LabRat01 wrote:what d0es that mean?
Spoiler: Not Theater
Due to the bolded. Do you think if it was theater that would be asked? He genuinely seems to want to resolve the question. That could be SvT but I don't see that being SvS. There's purpose behind that.
Do you have any other SR's that aren't based on associative with Lab?
@AP
So you think both scum came at you right out of the gate near this pairing? Are you insinuating he got onto the wagon before in order to not take a stance? It seems way more risky to jump on right away than to just pontificate and see which way the wind blows.In post 384, AP wrote:Thank you.
VOTE: TheGoldenParadox
Also, if TGP flips red atAronis should go next. Aronis opting to vote meany point of the gameover "what has been there for ages" andNOWmy offer = he's probably informed of TGP's decision beforehand and wants to be on my wagon early.before seeing if TGP will accept or reject-
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VOTE: AP
If you think he flips town then it makes more sense to vote here.
There aren’t protective roles right? He’s probably going to draw the night kill if he’s town, at the very least we can see. And that’s basically a shot at leaving a more Townie person alive for tomorrow AND getting two flips we initially wanted by day 2.-
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On this, we can agree.
VOTE: Vote No Lynch
I’ll check in and out to hammer which ever between AP and NL has more.-
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Okay, if you’re around you need to explain why. A NL is potentially viable today.
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Sorry on mobile so I’m spamming.In post 484, Darkwing Duck wrote:
Slaxx this is NAI?In post 288, TheGoldenParadox wrote:I don't see anybody trying to develop a consensus on the dance mechanic, but people should be dancing as much as possible. We need those PTs.
Yeah I think that can come from either alignment, do you not?-
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I think his push came more from the hypocrisy than that post aloneIn post 474, mcqueen wrote:VOTE: TheGoldenParadox
Says we should be dancing as much as possible then rejects AP’s dance request in the very next post.-
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You have to actually vote no lynchIn post 606, redtea wrote:Since there's no way I can read the rest (pg 21 or so) in 20 minutes, I'll mention I'm going to keep my NL status. It has been demonstrated a few times already that not everyone has read the setup properly, and it is D1. Think he just kind of fucked up in general here. For AP(A50?)'s case, more likely he was trying to get things going in his own way and didn't even expect TGP to decline. I don't SR read him at this point and actually think a NL is best. Would be a shame to throw away his brand of scumhunting so early.
Just more game mechanic talk, but I think the ideal number of pairings is 0 or 2. 3 if there's a particularly strong SR that people want to pair up instead of lynching, for whatever reason.
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How about this... based on what I read in Vedis iso and based on the unbolted “and” in the kill flavor, I expect McQ to flip Anti-town (maybe mafia) here.In post 624, Darkwing Duck wrote:After tgp's flip I am less certain how we are supposed to strategize here. I think based on what we know it is still best to keep townies unpaired and ask scumreads to only dance with other scumreads.
Lovers, usually, is primarily negative utility and pts should not make up for that.
I think that's still right... and actually tgp's role makes me think it may be more true. Say there is a pt cop--the neghborhood would then actually be doubling down on negative utility on top of the lover's mechanic.
I'm not sure pt cop is likely here, but I guess I'm trying to figure out why tgp would be able to close a pt as a pro-town role.
So yeah, I'm not really sure. Are you saying you scumread mcqueen?
He wanted to pair with me yesterday, I’m curious what happens if I call that to see if it’s a bluff.-
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"My townreads are _________In post 662, Kokichi Oma wrote:Ouch, I forgot that this was majority and just voted without reading much. sorry yall
My scumreads are _________"
Lets start with a template and work our way out from there.-
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My scum reads are _____________In post 701, redtea wrote:Didn't mean to take so long.
Now that he's around again:
Aronis, why are you so set on AP, while most everyone else see him as neutral at worst?
And why not just ISO the two dance partners proposed to you? Me and Kokichi have unfortunately posted very little so far. It would take you less than ten minutes.
What I was going to say before is Aronis hasn't posts enough for me to seriously consider dancing with him for any reason. Currently, I think it seems weird to be so bluntly uninterested. Scum would probably at least try a little.
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You answer mine first, then I answer yoursIn post 702, Slaxx wrote:
My scum reads are _____________In post 701, redtea wrote:Didn't mean to take so long.
Now that he's around again:
Aronis, why are you so set on AP, while most everyone else see him as neutral at worst?
And why not just ISO the two dance partners proposed to you? Me and Kokichi have unfortunately posted very little so far. It would take you less than ten minutes.
What I was going to say before is Aronis hasn't posts enough for me to seriously consider dancing with him for any reason. Currently, I think it seems weird to be so bluntly uninterested. Scum would probably at least try a little.
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I’m saying that if we always pair people up it’s like double day, which is generally beneficial.In post 711, redtea wrote:
I don't understand what you mean.In post 709, Slaxx wrote:We absolutely need to pair because they become lovers and we get two flips, thus increasing the share of pro-town lynches to mafia kills.
Unless I misunderstand something?
Are you saying information from what might end up being a S/T lynch would be worth it? Or are you that hopeful in netting S/S, to even out the lovers NK?
Think about it this way, assuming all MLs.
1 Lynch (12)
1 Kill (11)
1 Lynch (10)
1 Kill (9)
1 Lynch (8)
1 Kill (7-Lylo)
3 of each.
Or
2 lynch (11)
1 kill (10)
2 lynch (8)
1 kill (7)
4 lynches
2 kills
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youre not even voting himIn post 762, Kokichi Oma wrote:Hey guys this guy isnt doing anything. Hes OBVIOUSLY scum.