Mini 2063 - Rapier Upick Shuffle [Game Over]
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Of course! Who wouldn't love such an adorable seal? Fuzzy-wuzzyIn post 638, RadiantCowbells wrote:Do you love me-
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Everyone else seems town. Varsoon seems to be falling off the bus.In post 730, Michael Scott wrote:I'm a little bit concerned with Implosion's lack of engagement with me while continuously calling me scum.
Johnny, talk to me more about Varsoon being scum?
Call it a spy's sixth sense, if you will. I've got my eye on him.
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You should be more careful of picking fights with people you don't know, sir. M16 agents are typically trained in at least 3 different martial arts, to make them adept in hand-to-hand-combat. I have experience in Muay Thai, Escrima, Krav Maga, Capoeira, Savate, Yawyan, Taekwondo, Judo, Jujitsu, Ninjitsu, Kendo, Fencing, Kenjitsu, Kali, Bojutsu, Francombat, Boxing, Kickboxing, Hapkido, Wing Chun, Parkour, Shorin Ryu, Silat, Chin Na, Hokuto Shinken, Kyudo, Aikido, Varma Adi, Jeet Kune Do, Shaolin, Ba Gua, Hung Gar, Tai Chi, Kung Fu, Kenpo, and Karate.In post 736, Varsoon wrote:
I probably wouldn't becauseIn post 725, implosion wrote:Oh yeah I’d love to hear Varsoon compare my play here to prey mafia bc I think it’s probably pretty starkly different and I can’t imagine him scumreading me in a way that isn’t related to his perception of my play compared to that game
1. Meta a shit
2. My memory a shit
3. I don't really see a comparison
Also man, come fight me Johnny English
Tired of all you chumps angling on me but no one laying votes
What are you scared of? Rapier supersaint? FIGHT ME.
Unfortunately, most of what it takes to be a good spy doesn't only involve violence, but also the arts of disguise, persuasion, perception, deception, intimidation, investigation, stealth, and more.
I shall be pleased to be your opponent in a friendly match, mister Varsoon. You may make the first move.
Ooh, is that a cat on your head?! Caaat~-
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A vote may always be your weapon, but your weapon may not always be your vote.In post 748, Varsoon wrote:I can't make the first move if I can't vote.
@Fractured: Respond to what, though?-
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Well, have you given them reason to not think that you are?In post 752, Varsoon wrote:Honestly, man, I don't think it's you, I think I just hate, in general, when people edge me as scum.-
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You also probably have to join the queue, because I think I've heard that complaint a number of times during my rundown of the game thread.In post 752, Varsoon wrote:Honestly, man, I don't think it's you, I think I just hate, in general, when people edge me as scum.
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Your fellow peers, users mbaki and Lovebird, happen to be a little faster than me on the take, and are currently voting Alonzo. Do you hold their opinion in high regard?In post 755, Reality Check wrote:so Johnny
if you know anything about me at all, you know I will need a lot more than that to sheep you
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This failure of a vote is tragic.
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But, do you hold their opinion in high regard? Surely their actions must influence you one way or another. Do you not hold an opinion on your fellow players?In post 758, Reality Check wrote:I don't sheep
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In post 761, Reality Check wrote:Very light scum and idk
Could you go a little more in depth about those reads?
I believe you had an extended communication with user mbaki over the course of this game. In fact, it appears that the both of you are even acquainted with each other. Are you willing to share the more elaborate thoughts you have regarding the way he's approaching this game and what you think his motives are?-
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The process is elementary, Scott. No amount of words beats you viewing the inconsistencies for yourself.In post 766, Michael Scott wrote:Sell me on Alonzo and I'll sheep you, English.
Take a brief look at Alonzo's ISO, and name me instances of him actively trying to look for evidence as to which among us are scum, or, in other words, "scumhunting". Can you? This exercise will take less than two minutes.
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In post 765, Reality Check wrote:In post 764, Ankamius wrote:I don't want to commit to a read to Eddie because I read him incorrectly both games I played with him, Johnny.
And Lovebird I only played one game and incorrectly read her there too, she's one slot I want to eat indirectly instead of directly
If you are not confident in your read of user mbaki, yet you will not "sheep", then how exactly do you plan on eventually dealing with/sorting the mbaki slot? It's one way or another; either you come to a conclusion on him yourself, or defer to others. What shall it be? Do you have a plan?
I understand that they eat Lovebirds in some parts of the world... I myself have eaten roast pidgeon on occasion, but could you please take a bit of time to plan on how you're going to deal with those slots going forward in the game? I think sitting down to collect your thoughts would be helpful.
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Negative, sir. My observations of players are independent of what their previous mannerisms of play seems to be like.In post 770, Michael Scott wrote:
Definitions for "scumhunting" vary.In post 768, JohnnyEnglish wrote:Take a brief look at Alonzo's ISO, and name me instances of him actively trying to look for evidence as to which among us are scum, or, in other words, "scumhunting". Can you? This exercise will take less than two minutes.
His ISO is meh, but this accusation can be made of multiple slots, methinks.
Also from my very iffy memory of town!Alonzo, this doesn't look too different. Are you informed by experience with town!him?
If they're playing against town win condition, in other words, "scummy", I call them out. It's as simple as that, no fuss no mess.
Care to put a vote down on him for the time being?
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Your death will be swift and painless, my friend.In post 772, Alonzo wrote:You want to kill a man you look him in the eye.
I question your integrity sir.
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I have my reasons.In post 774, Michael Scott wrote:
I see you haven't placed a vote yourself - you go on, first.In post 771, JohnnyEnglish wrote:Care to put a vote down on him for the time being?
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Ever wonder why Youtubers always ask to "Like and Subscribe", but rarely to "Comment"...?In post 779, Alonzo wrote:If you've got time to like Johnny you've got time to case me no?
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Why did you perform your parry on mbaki, and not Parmigiano who you claim to be "scumreading", and also voting you?
Need more votes on Alonzo. implosion, Brigitte, want to do the honours?
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What's your read on Varsoon?In post 825, GuiltyLion wrote:I want to state again that I'm against an Alonzo wagon
the timing of his townreads/questions does indicate to me a level of genuine game-solving. posts like 206, 470, 490, 701 all registering on my town radar
and I felt his push on me was fair
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I'd like the players who are defending Alonzo or are against his wagon to explain why, please.
I think he is currently anti-town at best and scum at worst.
As much as I'd hate for the day to end prematurely, I also believe that some flips are necessary to move the game forward. I'll give this a little around 12 or 24 hours or so, before making a final decision.
For those who are backing Alonzo, make your cases or forever hold your peace.
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Are you comfortable at this point in time with sharing with the thread what those conflicts are, and why there is a discrepancy in reads between your two heads? Where are you at in the current point in time? Could you describe this a little bit more to us?
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In over 98% of mafia forum sites globally available, three days is the upper maximum limit of game day deadlines.
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Johnny English, reporting back for duty.
It seems that there is more content than I thought would have been produced. I guess we can consider the lynch a little more.
RadiantCowbells, I don't necessarily townread Parm, but I find them a little more townier than Alonzo. They could be partners together, despite some distancing being done earlier in the game.
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What makes you say that?In post 957, RadiantCowbells wrote:I feel like we're gonna Lynch town I'm gonna be nked and mbaki and others are gonna encourage people to forget I existed-
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In post 933, Brigitte wrote:
If I voted Pram, would you say its a scum pushed wagon?In post 931, RadiantCowbells wrote:You're voting Alonzo.
Then why would anyone in their healthy mind ever listen to you, let alone lay down their vote?In post 934, RadiantCowbells wrote:I would say you're bussing-
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Sure.In post 999, GuiltyLion wrote:
I'm starting to scumread Varsoon myselfIn post 839, JohnnyEnglish wrote:
What's your read on Varsoon?In post 825, GuiltyLion wrote:I want to state again that I'm against an Alonzo wagon
the timing of his townreads/questions does indicate to me a level of genuine game-solving. posts like 206, 470, 490, 701 all registering on my town radar
and I felt his push on me was fair
Cheers.
did you answer my question about your townreads on mbaki/michael scott?
Both mbaki and Michael Scott are playing in approaches and manners that move the game forward.
In contrast, Alonzo is playing in a manner that moves the game backward.
I can't surmise how you can land on a townread on Alonzo for "genuine game-solving" when Michael Scott is in fact a much better example for the same reason.
I think Fractured is a pretty easy read for town and it's odd how, if I follow, you scumread Michael Scott for obtaining the obvious and likely correct read.
I don't see anything of merit from Alonzo.
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Really? Because what I see is Varsoon is soft defending Alonzo.In post 1004, GuiltyLion wrote:
this pings me as real scummyIn post 914, Varsoon wrote:Parm's wagon doesn't make sense to me. I don't see what Parm's done that merits being lynched. I've tried to ask people who I'm more familiar with and their answers haven't been satisfying.
Alonzo, I can get, but that's just cus the guy has a bit of an abrasive devil-may-care style to his posts. Dunno that it makes him scum.
Honestly, I'm fine with either flipping, given that they could be scum just playing in a way that doesn't ping to me and it'll give plenty of info that actually might drive my engagement towards scumhunting based on wagon comp. I just don't wanna be complicit in those lynches because then I get less information at the point of flip.
Varsoon doesn't want to commit to calling either slot as scum, but says he can flip either of them anyway. There's no care whatsoever about avoiding a lynch on town here.
Your analysis may be correct, however, in the possibility that Varsoon knows that both are town and wouldn't mind flipping either, but it's also possible that Varsoon knows Alonzo is his mafia teammate and wants to soft-defend while not hard-oppose the wagon.
I don't think this post actually makes a difference to my reads without further information and evidence.
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Okay, then prove your towniness.In post 1043, Varsoon wrote:Ya'll are all super off-base
The reality is that I'm town and ya'll are either angling me up as scum because you want some gullible townies to be the ones to finally vote me when I've outright claimed super saint.
Or you've all got really poor judgment and think I'm scum because you're bad at taking things at face value.
Can't say.
What I can say is that I don't appreciate people being like "Lol look at varsoon playing scummy" but not voting me.
It feels like you're saying "I know Varsoon is town, but here is a way I can cast his actions as scummy. Someone please believe me."
With a dance-off.
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I'm reluctant too, in fact, but it's high time that we move the game forward.In post 1146, Brigitte wrote:Not interested in the parm wagon.-
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There's a fine balance between maintaining sufficient game discussion length and needlessly extending day length to the point of apathy.In post 1148, Brigitte wrote:Id rather lynch primary scumreads than compromise on something at this moment in time. I think you are too rushed for flips right now.
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And hence I unilaterally decide that it is in the town's best interests to put a stop to it and move this game forward.
I believe at the current stage of the game, no new and further information can be obtained, and that we are at an impasse.
Regardless of what Parm flips, I believe that we can obtain valuable information and move the game forward beginning tomorrow.-
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The Parm wagon is sufficiently divisive to provide a good amount of evidence and insight into most players' alignments after the flip. Most notably: Alonzo, RadiantCowbells, and Varsoon among others.In post 1151, Fractured wrote:
+1In post 1146, Brigitte wrote:Not interested in the parm wagon.
+1In post 1148, Brigitte wrote:Id rather lynch primary scumreads than compromise on something at this moment in time. I think you are too rushed for flips right now.
What is the consequence of apathy? A flip on someone that should have been town read? Doesn't sound like we're getting a much better deal by ending day now to me.In post 1149, JohnnyEnglish wrote:
There's a fine balance between maintaining sufficient game discussion length and needlessly extending day length to the point of apathy.In post 1148, Brigitte wrote:Id rather lynch primary scumreads than compromise on something at this moment in time. I think you are too rushed for flips right now.
I think we're coming close to reaching the latter.
What information do we get on a Parm flip over someone else?In post 1150, JohnnyEnglish wrote:And hence I unilaterally decide that it is in the town's best interests to put a stop to it and move this game forward.
I believe at the current stage of the game, no new and further information can be obtained, and that we are at an impasse.
Regardless of what Parm flips, I believe that we can obtain valuable information and move the game forward beginning tomorrow.
The consequence of apathy is a harsh, embarrassing town loss.
If Parm is already sufficiently scumread to the point, and even possibly equal to the suspicion given to Alonzo, then there is no question that he will be a liability going forward into the game. He is not someone we want to have at LYLO, and therefore this is a deal that I will accept.
To reiterate, I do not townread Parm. At best, I read him slightly townier than Alonzo. Alonzo is my preferred lynch, but I suppose that if he is in our crosshairs, he won't be able to escape on future days.
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Unfortunately, I disagree.In post 1157, RadiantCowbells wrote:they're just scum. at least brigitte is.-
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Does that make my opinion lesser than yours?In post 1160, RadiantCowbells wrote:
you don't even know who they are.In post 1158, JohnnyEnglish wrote:
Unfortunately, I disagree.In post 1157, RadiantCowbells wrote:they're just scum. at least brigitte is.-
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Will you flip town? I suggest you claim right now.In post 1162, Parmigiano Reggiano wrote:If I flip town are you doing Radcow next? I'd rather not have that happen.
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Alright, seal. You win.In post 1166, RadiantCowbells wrote:in this case? absolutely
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In post 1170, Parmigiano Reggiano wrote:
I will flip town, yes. I'm the Town Enhanced Parrier, I can parry anyone regardless of who they're voting. They switch to Not Voting and they forfeit the right to vote the player they were parried from for the rest of the DP.In post 1165, JohnnyEnglish wrote:
Will you flip town? I suggest you claim right now.In post 1162, Parmigiano Reggiano wrote:If I flip town are you doing Radcow next? I'd rather not have that happen.
I think Alonzo is town, and I am town, which makes your two top scumreads pretty bad from where I stand, Johnny.
Well, that's problematic then.
Rest assured that your slot and your flip will be treated respectfully and will be fully utilized to provide the maximum amount of information to town the next day, and, thanks to your cooperation, the remaining hours of today.
As of the current moment, here's to hoping that our pet seal would be more cooperative in future endeavours.
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Sorry, my friend, but you died. I shot you with my MI6-issued specialized enhanced spy revolver with lethal South African snake poison which leads to total paralysis and death within 12 hours.In post 1179, Parmigiano Reggiano wrote:Johnny is funny. He's a good character.
@Reality Check why did you scumread him?
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Well, you could be wrong. Parm could be town and Fractured could be town.In post 1210, RadiantCowbells wrote:part of the reason i'm considering fractured is that they're hard defending parmigiano.
now parmigiano is also soft defending fractured.
scum are blocking together this game, we won't lynch them unless we strongarm something through as town.
Parm could be town and Fractured could be scum.
Parm could be scum and Fractured could be town.
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It is, actually. There's research and evidence that shows that scientific investigation and discovery of the mafia results in 77% higher town winrates, as compared to "winging it". Theoretically, if someone had created a program or a rudimentary artificial intelligence using scientific principles to play the game, their accuracy in reading players would be >90% higher than the average player.In post 1213, mbaki wrote:
mafia is not a scientific gameIn post 1211, JohnnyEnglish wrote:
Well, you could be wrong. Parm could be town and Fractured could be town.In post 1210, RadiantCowbells wrote:part of the reason i'm considering fractured is that they're hard defending parmigiano.
now parmigiano is also soft defending fractured.
scum are blocking together this game, we won't lynch them unless we strongarm something through as town.
Parm could be town and Fractured could be scum.
Parm could be scum and Fractured could be town.
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You'll also find that your theories are fundamentally flawed, and you'll end up mislynching town and singlehandedly costing games for town more often than not.In post 1216, RadiantCowbells wrote:you'll find that if scum don't bus in most lobbies before PR information comes out it's borderline impossible to actually get a scum lynched without full blown strength of will-ing it-
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Perhaps you should reconsider the amount of confidence you project into reads that you yourself are not confident in, then.In post 1220, RadiantCowbells wrote:truth is i'm not all that sure parmigiano is scum
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