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[Flavor Leaf]

Sorry. I’ve been inactive. I’m replacing in solo, I guess here. Nancy got upset about stuff and couldn’t get ahold of me because I was gone all of yesterday and the day before, but I should be here later today.

[Flavor Leaf]

Just some quick thoughts regarding this whole Nancy thing.

Nancy's frustration level here don't make any sense for someone who was excited to be in this game; 106/107. Tonally, it's not even remotely natural, and the way she handled Roster's vote just feels forced to me. I'm not valuing the fact that she's replacing out into any of this since it's her initial reaction to the vote that bothers me the most.

I still believe that Creature is scum, but I'm more content placing my vote here because of the above.

VOTE: RX.

Why? Things can change. She was upset for multiple reasons after, one including feeling like I wasn’t doing anything.

[Flavor Leaf]

Do you have a better one?

I don’t vote without a reason unless it’s to prevent a no lynch, so you’re asking the wrong person.

VOTE: Rx Strange Brew

A player refusing to be VCA read. Well it's a good policy lynch.

True VCA people can read the lack of votes as votes.

[Flavor Leaf]

So there’s 100% scum on The Strange Brew wagon. Really terrible reasoning, even if it wasn’t on my former hydra slot. It’s Nancy, and people have those reasonings to get a wagon on her this early? Lol

[Flavor Leaf]

I mean, that’s fine to get some pressure on her, but anyone thinking they had an actual read is either lying or fooling themselves.

[Flavor Leaf]

I wanna just sheep mastina this game.

VOTE: RX

Sheep me. Mastina has a tendency to tunnel town me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Just some quick thoughts regarding this whole Nancy thing.

Nancy's frustration level here don't make any sense for someone who was excited to be in this game; 106/107. Tonally, it's not even remotely natural, and the way she handled Roster's vote just feels forced to me. I'm not valuing the fact that she's replacing out into any of this since it's her initial reaction to the vote that bothers me the most.

I still believe that Creature is scum, but I'm more content placing my vote here because of the above.

VOTE: RX.

Piggybacking on this, Nancy’s reaction ONLY makes sense for someone excited for this game.

She got upset because one, Rosterfoster, two, I hadn’t responded to her in a bit because I was out of town and sorta forgot the pass to Strange Bree, three, she was excited for this game and she got hard wagoner.

That is classic Nancy. How does that not make sense? This seems projecty.

[Flavor Leaf]

Piggybacking on this, Nancy’s reaction ONLY makes sense for someone excited for this game.

She got upset because one, Rosterfoster, two, I hadn’t responded to her in a bit because I was out of town and sorta forgot the pass to Strange Bree, three, she was excited for this game and she got hard wagoner.

That is classic Nancy. How does that not make sense? This seems projecty.

No. If I'm excited about something, I'm not going to throw it away because one unfortunate event happened. A simple vote made her completely snap out of this game, and I don't think that's a natural thought process at all. The wagon wasn't "hard" at all, that's a bit of a stretch.

It doesn't make sense to me that someone would flip out this much over something so small.

YOU are not going to, sure.

Nancy WOULD and HAS. This is you projecting a seemingly easy target.

[Flavor Leaf]

She’s very impulsive.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nancy WOULD and HAS. This is you projecting a seemingly easy target.

Considering that you're more than aware of my experience with Nancy, you would very well know that this is not me projecting on an easy target. If I wanted to project on an easy target, I wouldn't be going after you.

It's not logical to me, and you know I don't value meta when analyzing someone's play since everyone is emotional and mood changes on a game-to-game basis.

That’s even more of a reason why it’s projecty.

Nobody replaces out like that as scum when I’m their hydra partner.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Ras

If Ras is town, scum is probably in the people who voted Ras after I started posting.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nancy was being absolutely ridiculous and I refuse to attribute either townliness or scumliness to her behavior

Thanks for reading

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[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah... these votes kind of explain why this site is shit, NGL.

So you’re saying they look like they’re coming from town?

How are they bad? You were acting genuinely scummy. Worst case scenario, you get to see who would jump on you. There’s zero reason to think they are bad even if they are wrong.

Maybe roster’s, but you can’t possibly be expected to be lynched from it, so how are they bad if they’re going to bring important info into the game whether that be in the form of seeing who jumps on you, or people’s reactions?

[Flavor Leaf]

Creature/FL are both scum.

Will prod dodge until I feel like this game is more worth playing; these have to be the shittiest reasons I've seen in a while to warrant votes.

This is poor and defeatist scum sounding.

I think it’s completely fair considering you were pushing my slot for poor reasonings.

Yet when apparent poor reasoning on you, it’s apparently prodge worthy.

[Flavor Leaf]

Alright; let’s get more votes on him to see how he reacts.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nancy was being absolutely ridiculous and I refuse to attribute either townliness or scumliness to her behavior

Thanks for reading

VOTE: RAS

This is one of the votes on Ras.

He says the reasonings are bad, so please explain how this is bad.

Elbirn stated that he doesn’t think it should be read either way, while you refuse to see it any way besides coming from scum.

This vote makes sense, especially considering how early it is. How is this bad?


You have been pushing my former hydra partner for something “you can’t see from town” when I know for a fact that that’s incorrect and it looks incredibly posturing-like. You are also scum reading my slot for that off of one of the most emotional players on site. You pushing that, why am I supposed to just not have an opinion on that? How is that a bad vote?

An incorrect vote is not a bad vote, it’s just incorrect. It’s early in the game; town aren’t expected to be able to nail scum without a doubt, and a vote is a way to help get more information because it changes the game state.


So explain how those 2 are bad votes.

[Flavor Leaf]

Every vote on you, which there’s only 3 makes sense. Even roster, who seems to town read me, makes sense. I’m not saying he’s town, he easily could be scum trying to pocket me and then go after the person going after me, but the fact you don’t consider that a vote coming from scum and instead it’s a bad vote. That makes it seem like you

know

that scum isn’t on you, and thus, they are bad votes.

[Flavor Leaf]

And now Ras can’t get out of it, so he’s playing defeatist.

TownRas is more uppity. I believe this to be ScumRas.

[Flavor Leaf]

If he actually thought I was scum, he wouldn’t be getting like this.

[Flavor Leaf]

You're scum, but I don't really care that much.

Have fun, though.

Sure.

I’ll prove my town later in the game anyways.

[Flavor Leaf]

Will prod dodge until I feel like this game is more worth playing; these have to be the shittiest reasons I've seen in a while to warrant votes.

This is the scummiest thing that has been said in this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nancy doesn’t replace our as scum with me as her hydra partner. End of story.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't think too many people here know me, but those that do should know that I'm intending to take a fairly laid-back role this game, at least for the foreseeable future while I'm dealing with some other things.

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I've got a pretty strong town read on Mastina. It's based around Mastina commenting on her role, it fits very naturally in a "town that got a shit role" type of attitude. While I don't agree that the role is as anti-town as she makes it out to be, I can understand why someone would claim the way she did considering her thoughts around its utility. I'm also getting the impression that she really believes in her reasoning in 78.

I've also got a pretty strong town read on Titus. Her interactions and comments about Mastina comes across as very genuine here. I like her response to Roster's vote with the whole "

I get why Nero and mastina are voting me

" thing. A lot of her postings is giving me town vibes, but part of that is tonal so I wouldn't be great at explaining it.

I'm very confident that Nero is town here, I like his commenting and phrasing around Mastina's claim and LUV's vote. The intent behind most of the questions he's asked so far looks like actual scumhunting.

I'm similarly confident that Montosh is town here. His few comments about Mastina's utility all feel very natural. His interaction and posting with Roster isn't something I've got much to comment on, but I find 58 super townie.

TL;DR: Mastina/Titus/Nero/Montosh are all likely town here.

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VOTE: Creature.

I dislike Creature's opening posts and find them forced. It's based on fairly flimsy reasoning considering what he's contributed so far, and something I'd rather not go into.

What did this have to do with anything? I read this earlier. Looks like a classic scum post who is trying to make a strong town impression to lead town eventually.

You played low early in Aboontice then turned into the town powerhouse as scum.

I do posts like this as scum. This was like page 5, and you came to waytoo strong of conclusions.

How is that supposed to be indicative at all, and especially now that you’re running away.

[Flavor Leaf]

It looks like you’re trying to get potential heavies in Nero/Mastina/Titus on your side. Maybe one’s a partner, but I don’t have individual reads on either of them, so I won’t dive into that just yet.

[Flavor Leaf]

He also chose to go back onto Creature instead of staying on me.

[Flavor Leaf]

why? Like part of me can understand why a potential town RAS not in the know votes Nancy but why does scum him unvote while still calling your slot scum?

Is he scum bussing Creature here?

Because he doesn’t think he can mislynch me, and it was a ploy to get me off of him, as was the running away so I can’t get him from anything else, and he doesn’t think there’s enough to incriminate him yet.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t think i’m comfortable scum reading Mastina early, because I tend to feel town her is scum her, but I don’t think I’ve ever actually seen scum her.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think 100 could be read as a lack of comprehension of the discussion to that point, imo

this worries me a bit

I went back and read the previous page and realised this was an overly generous interpretation - looked at 100 in isolation

lol @ this backtrack.

Idk if I think it comes from scum or town, but just lol

[Flavor Leaf]

we lynch the Ras slot after that one.

[Flavor Leaf]

I am ready to end the day.

[Flavor Leaf]

how dare you not let mod get the page top

I'm always the mod.

[Flavor Leaf]

You got pocketed by Awestfie who got lucky that the role they claimed and made up just happened to be your role.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL are you Boonskies? Is that a thing?

Boonskiies is Flavor Leaf.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ah, man. I love Clemency.

[Flavor Leaf]

No it’s more the fact that I can’t see her faking that level of emotion (and it really would be faked if she was scum as it seems like she thinks I’m a terrible town player or smth).

Also Flavour can never roll scum in games I’m in.

Frustration is not a town-tell. Scum can easily be emotionally invested too. For the life of me I don't get why that would make the slot seem at all less scummy.

Nancy was being absolutely ridiculous and I refuse to attribute either townliness or scumliness to her behavior

Thanks for reading

This basically

to be fair, why would she be frustrated as scum ever when she's hydra'd with me? Sure, this is still borderline AI, but my conf bias knows differently, and I'm narcissistic.

[Flavor Leaf]

I've got no meta on being hydra with you as scum. In any case, I think it's perfectly possible for some people to become frustrated no matter their alignment. I think it's pretty NAI.

Sure. But she has no reason to get frustrated as scum in that scenario as scum with the Leaf.

In practice, everyone should read it as NAI, but in theory, and for post game, everyone should know that it was actually town indicative. We can move on past that. I'm just narcissistic.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Clemency - I think you're slot is scum. This is gonna be sad.

[Flavor Leaf]

she's still gonna push me regardless of her alignment.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also I'm willing to give the Clemency slot some time to post and such. RAS was doing a fair bit of flailing but I could see it coming from town too.

he was saying there were bad votes on him, not that scum were voting him, though, and he was pushing me as scum, and I obviously knew his pushing of Nancy being AI was wrong.

Elbirn pushed the NAI thing and everyone should read it that way as wrong too.

Roster sheeps and tries to mindmeld with his town reads as town, and could have easily been scum going onto Ras, but Ras didn't state any of that. He just called them bad votes, which makes me feel he was scum caught for the wrong reasons kind of deal.

[Flavor Leaf]

Mastina has a tendency to tunnel town me.

Any examples of this?

Just one that I can remember. It was expected based on comments in dead threads on my some of my older scum victories, though, that I knew that there was a high possibility based on the types of players we are that she'd push me when I'm town.

That's all I need to know she has the tendency to tunnel town me, but I feel she might adapt afterwards. I've tunneled town her once as well.

I'll find the game later for you, if you want. There might have been more, but only one I can remember. We haven't played too much.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ras is conf scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

They mesh really well together.

But called it Mastina was gonna scum read me here

[Flavor Leaf]

How am I appealing to you at all? I said you’re gonna push me regardless of alignment, not that I town read you

[Flavor Leaf]

Nero’s also had pretty great reads as of late, so you’re discrediting him while pushing him as town, which is manipulative

[Flavor Leaf]

I really don't like RAS throwing in the towel this easily.

And yet you thought the Nancy slot doing no different was town.

It’s different scenarios. Nancy is a known emotional player who was in a hydra with me.

Ras has his wagon fail and in turn replaced out because of “bad votes”. Not votes from scum, bad votes, which I already explained why they weren’t.

[Flavor Leaf]

[quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=10962138#p10962138]post 387[/url], mastina"][quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=10960471#p10960471]post 300[/url], Flavor Leaf"]Sure. But she has no reason to get frustrated as scum in that scenario as scum with the Leaf. [/quote] Problem with that.
She explicitly thought you weren't around.
A fact apparent both in her posts and even yours.
Sooooooooooooo.[/quote]

She gave it like a day without saying that.

That in itself implies town on my part, though.

I actually forgot the login info for the hydra account, so it got easier once she replaced out to post, since I’m mainly on FL.

I have a tendency to not show up on hydras, especially when they roll town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Mastina scum reading me indicates townFlavor.

[Flavor Leaf]

I even called that out beforehand.

[Flavor Leaf]

She could be town tunneling or scum pushing me. Either way, I’ll probably end up pushing her back as scum. That usually happens. I’ve never played with Scum her, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

Mastina has a tendency to tunnel town me.

Any examples of this?

Since you quoted it.
Going back to 216.
This is not only painting me as town--a stance that contradicts Flavor Leaf's stance that scum voted his slot--but also is shade-throwing me, discrediting my read on him as "she'd always scumread me, therefore, her scumread on me has no merit".

I only contradict myself as town

[Flavor Leaf]

Mastina has a tendency to tunnel town me.

Any examples of this?

Since you quoted it.
Going back to 216.
This is not only painting me as town--a stance that contradicts Flavor Leaf's stance that scum voted his slot--but also is shade-throwing me, discrediting my read on him as "she'd always scumread me, therefore, her scumread on me has no merit".

This is also a manipulative post because I haven’t even said you were more likely scum.

I have specifically stated “regardless of alignment”.

You literally have done every single thing I’ve said you would have when I’m town in a game with you.

[Flavor Leaf]

I kinda feel like Nancy is less likely to get mad @ roster as scum b/c she'd just brush it off b/c there was very little chance she gets lynched and I think she understands that being atey is a good way to get scum read.

This is rats-ass backwards in literally every way possible?

Like, this looks like a stance from someone who's never played with Nancy, backwards?

It was super early game. Nero’s correct. I already said we shouldn’t read her replacement as AI, even though post game it is actually AI towards town.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Clemency - Wanna move onto Mastina with me? Testing something. It’ll be a rehash if that anime game.

I also don’t fully think Ras slot is scum, I’m just salty about the replace out instead of just handling things. It’s early game. I don’t have strong reads anywhere. Anyone that does is full of it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Mastina, you’re just gonna get yourself lynched if you’re town, and eventually aight up in a couple days if you’re scum now, and we won’t even look at associations with you, so don’t worry about misguiding that.

[Flavor Leaf]

How am I appealing to you at all? I said you’re gonna push me regardless of alignment, not that I town read you

You're not appealing to ME.
You're appealing to NERO.
Who, fuck yes, scum want to appeal to?

Nero, you think I’m appealing? Thanks. I think so too.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m very appealing.

[Flavor Leaf]

The more mastina swears the townie she is.

Yeah, probably. If she didn’t come after me, I think she’d be scum claiming.

[Flavor Leaf]

This is also a manipulative post because I haven’t even said you were more likely scum.

Yeah--my fucking point exactly.
You didn't.
When you absolutely should have.

Why? I expect you to tunnel me like this as town. You could push me as scum, and I know you’re solid enough to mimic that.

I also don’t take heavy stances early game. I take bits and pieces and then mix the combination of actions. Certain townie things can end up being scum indicative later in game on the chain.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t know what I swear more as.

Probably town, and not really that often anymore. But I’ve had some scum games where I try to mimic that. Oi...those get me really frustrated, and then I like method act it. Not good.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't think FL is capable of rolling scum so can we just Lynch RAS or something.

I am lean scum on Ras, but I don’t like lynching Clemency. I was scum recently, and I mislynched him for the win and I felt bad, so I feel clemency has high equity to pocket me eventually because I never want to kill him. He even came in in a way where he was like “FL, you’re wrong, but I understand why you thought Ras was scum. He was scum, but I’m not.” If that makes sense.

[Flavor Leaf]

Elbirn
ConManMick

Lil Uzi Vert
Montosh
Gamma Emerald
NotMySpamAccount

Based on Mastina’s list, 2 ish scum are probably in here, regardless of her alignment.

[Flavor Leaf]

Lol wait why is Titus in my tier?

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, that Elbirn/ConMan tier is very poor. Neither of them have done anything they couldn’t easily have done as scum, unless that’s supposed to be the Null group, which means you have a load of Lean scums

[Flavor Leaf]

Elbirn
ConManMick

Lil Uzi Vert
Montosh
Gamma Emerald
NotMySpamAccount

Based on Mastina’s list, 2 ish scum are probably in here, regardless of her alignment.

Very helpful post. Wouldn't have expected that.

That’s why I posted it. Most people wouldn’t.

[Flavor Leaf]

tendency was the wrong word, I agree. More like a knack.

Also, you said "easy to vote and lynch baity" which are NOT words associated with Ras ever.

[Flavor Leaf]

tendency was the wrong word, I agree. More like a knack.

Also, you said "easy to vote and lynch baity" which are NOT words associated with Ras ever.

Don't know RAS. But in this game the slot seem easy to vote and lynch-baity. As was your slot to some extent. In many ways for the same reason, an emotional replace-out.

The wagons against both of you seem to be for some similar reasons. Why is one better than the other?

Because Ras is Ras, and Nancy is Nancy.

Crappy to meta it there, but can't help it. I'm also conf bias because I know we're town.

They're similar sure, but they aren't the same.

It's like The Force Awakens to A New Hope; they definitely follow a similar narrative with a lot of parallels, but are they the same thing to you?

[Flavor Leaf]

the game I just lynched you in...and I was scum. with ausuka. let's talk about an ongoing game.

i got my new sig quote from you from it

[Flavor Leaf]

Game slowed down a lot

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Flavor Leaf]

Sure, it could come from town, but it also could come from scum. I was voting him prior to the replaceout, so idk why people are trying to use that as a reasoning.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m not even on Clemency anymore.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hey FL who should I vote?

Idk right now. I’m in a holding pattern.

[Flavor Leaf]

**Mastina has been prodded by request.**

Uh.
No I haven't?

Legit don't have a prod in any format--not on discord, not on sitechat, not via PM.

The mod's a lying scumbag.

You are allowed a single post in the thread once you are dead. This post must not contain any game-relevant information.

Ankamius .. I LOVE YOU!

[Flavor Leaf]

Ras was scummy independently of the replace out. Don’t vote him for the replace out.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think his pride only allows him to leave as scum.

He definitely got more upset as scum than anytime i saw him as town, but again trying not to read the replaceout

[Flavor Leaf]

As soon as I remember, I’ll let you know

[Flavor Leaf]

Maybe Mastina, but i think she was just tunneling town in hindsight

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m a friend to you; you’re a friend to me. When we got each other, there’s nothing we can’t be.

[Flavor Leaf]

What movie

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s me

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Mastina

I think she could be town, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

I haven’t read a single page in a while. :shrug:

[Flavor Leaf]

I forgot I was in this game and didn't have it subbed anymore for some reason.

[Flavor Leaf]

I forgot I was in this game and didn't have it subbed anymore for some reason.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Lol

[Flavor Leaf]

I was about to switch paths too.

[Flavor Leaf]

But you spelled Titus’ name wrong when you voted.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m nat scam

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s classic Flavor.

[Flavor Leaf]

Omochao slot probably scum still

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: not my spam account
flavor has been hedging on whether or not mastina is scum the whole game
titus has been making arguments for why mastina is scum that she doesnt even believe
nero is basically on crack
idk elbirn
nmsa is either lynchbait or trolling scum

Wat u mean i ain’t tryna hide it

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s just throwing shade at me because I know your slot and that’s on record, so you’re trying to discredit early

[Flavor Leaf]

but an idiot isn't self-aware enough to know they s/he is an idiot

Says you!!! I’m super self aware

[Flavor Leaf]

Montosh is doing some hard fence sitting.

thats cause montosh is scum btw

and u r ok with being on a wagon with scum?

He is scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

He shaded me now I’m not even on his lynch pool

[Flavor Leaf]

im probs gonna switch my vote to mastina but im waiting in vain for more ppl to show up and comment on literally anything

He is scum.

arent you so unique

Yes. The uniquest. You aren’t even a dark or hero chao. You a robot critter.

[Flavor Leaf]

For some reason i thought Creature was like 30

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm 30?

No, apparently your profile says 17.

[Flavor Leaf]

I didn’t even know there was a hero garden until way late.

[Flavor Leaf]

Omochao scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ras slot still is scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m pseudo town reading her

[Flavor Leaf]

Can’t get enough of myself

[Flavor Leaf]

Omochao going onto Spam proves that as the counterwagon

[Flavor Leaf]

Three people not on either of the wagons, 1 is Mastina. It shows NMSA is town.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Conman - I agree with your omochao read, but we have a day left. Don’t vote with him, and you being on him is good for him.

[Flavor Leaf]

He’s on Omochao and is one of the 3 people who aren’t voting.

[Flavor Leaf]

On the wagon. a50 is voting conman, so I expect him to go NMSA, which leaves Mastina.

Unless we switch over to Omochao, but i don’t think we have time to make that happen nor the want from you guys.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hammer

[Flavor Leaf]

Can we turbo CMM?

VOTE: CMM

Omochao is who we’d lynch if we aren’t in the main 2 today.

I reached out to conman. Why are you wanting him and not me?

[Flavor Leaf]

Hammer roster

[Flavor Leaf]

But yes Flavour you are scum for pressuring me <3

Hammer

[Flavor Leaf]

Roster’s scumming it up and chainsawing methinks.

His most recent post on me says his thoughts on me prior were merely political, which actually could indicate townOmochao.

[Flavor Leaf]

Actually, that’s a hatchet?

Nah, he called me scum. That’s a chainsaw.

[Flavor Leaf]

I mean Nero I'd love to have a memory but I am only a chicken.

You don't get to control me Flavour.

I was actually stating that people should hammer you, rather than you hammer.

I don’t need to control scum, I just need to WIFOM them.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, typically it’s scum who says the “you don’t get to control me” line to me. I’ll try and find some examples of this tonight.

[Flavor Leaf]

Thing is Roster’s scum independently of Mastina now, so I’d actually be down to go Roster instead of Mastina today.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ah I see so you're using reverse Psychology to make me hammer my partner.

I am a level above you <3

Chicken nugget just scum claimed here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Scum like to use troll humor against me.

[Flavor Leaf]

I can show some examples of this when I get home tonight.

[Flavor Leaf]

That nugget isn’t made with 100% chicken. It’s scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I mean if I was scum I would have hammered Mastina already.

Why? Scum you to town Mastina doesn’t want to hammer because they have an i told you so kinda thing.

Scum you to scum Mastina has a “why wouldn’t i bus my partner?” Defense.

[Flavor Leaf]

The chicken nugget could be town who’s having fun trolling me.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m overgamed right now and kind of want to move further on here.

I’m getting kind of bad feelings about Mastina, though. I think Nero and ConMan are town on the wagon, I can’t say the same for others on it reliably.

At the same time, if Mastina is scum and she lives through that, rip.

[Flavor Leaf]

I could be pocketed by Elbirn, and I generally don’t think NMSA is scum because of Wagonomics.

[Flavor Leaf]

The chicken nugget

[Flavor Leaf]

NMSA is town. Those reasonings don’t come from scum. I’ve never seen a scum use that toxic negativity line.

I could be wrong that that’s been said as scum, though

[Flavor Leaf]

No need for improve. I did well last phase.

[Flavor Leaf]

No need for improve. I did well last phase.

I'm not happy with your contributions so far. Not the kind of play I'd want to fake Masons with tbh.

I’m not faking Masons.

[Flavor Leaf]

No, it just means Mastina knows LUV’s alignment, and the only connection to Mastina that’s out there is LUV.

[Flavor Leaf]

Pretty sure medium is random unless you guys have abilities that say elsewise.

[Flavor Leaf]

A50 is kind of pondering with that immediate backtrack without question, but i don’t think I’m solid enough to think that. He pinged me a bit yesterday with kind of a TMI like playstyle.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel the mediums are more for the player themselves to take into regard the player who died’s reads rather than for us.

The dead guys know their medium’s alignment.

I personally feel like if I were scum with a spirit, I could easily abuse that mechanic, which I’m sure that’s part of the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I personally feel like if I were scum with a spirit, I could easily abuse that mechanic, which I’m sure that’s part of the game.

I agree 100% that

you

could and would. However, mot everybody is as good a scum as you are, and not every good scum can fake someone else's train of thoughts and style of expression. roster/LUV maybe good scum players on their own, but I don't think either can mimic the style of the restless spirits they were assigned.

At the same time, they haven’t attempted to or not.

Who wouldn’t claim who they attached to? That seems like pretty basic and weak reasoning to town read someone.

[Flavor Leaf]

There’s also the possibility for 3rd party, unless rules stated otherwise.

[Flavor Leaf]

There’s also the possibility for 3rd party, unless rules stated otherwise.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

If you’re pushing me for thinking I’m 3rd party, I’d have already claimed to have been 3rd party.

[Flavor Leaf]

I know I’m raw af 3rd party, but like...I’m not setting up nearly enough defense this game

[Flavor Leaf]

To be fair, she went from town reading me to scum reading me and voting, and I voted in the sheep momentum stating i thought she was probably town, and yet she decided to come after me a bit. I don’t believe I pushed her that hard at all. (However, i know it probably would be better if I was actually pushing her)

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t believe i ever once stated that I was voting her because her thought process didn’t line up.

I feel that that’s a misrep.

[Flavor Leaf]

On surface with a quick read up, i kinda think omochao’s townin it up despite my read on Ras here, but I’ll look more into it later.

[Flavor Leaf]

You don’t want to hear what Mastina has to say? We kill LUV she goes away completely, doesn’t she?

[Flavor Leaf]

Well, every player has an equal chance of being scum, there’s just more town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Did somebody say...L-1?

[Flavor Leaf]

Lucky I got cold feet.

I don’t think I ever say that line at actual L-1 and not hammer?

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh, I know. If I were gonna hammer, I would have done it in that post I said it. You can meta check that too.

[Flavor Leaf]

I never like it when my most verbal read gets to L-1 so fast. I have a problem with playing devil’s advocate to whatever the main lynch is.

[Flavor Leaf]

You and Elbirn are kind of scummy.

Omochao I’m still lean scum on from Ras, but I think I’m a bit doubting myself there with the mixture of his play today and the L-1.

[Flavor Leaf]

I am literally conf town because Montosh is talking to me and we have a message saying that I’m town.

That’s not conftown just because you say he’s talking.

I could easily make a dead player’s reads up even if they aren’t talking, it’s really annoying how people are saying stuff like that like it’s impossible.

If you’re town, Montosh knows your town. If you’re scum, Montosh knows you’re scum and you get to say he knows you’re town. That’s not how that works.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I play Devil’s Advocate to everything. Haha.

Jazz Mafia I literally had like a lot of correct reads then defended when people pushed my reads

[Flavor Leaf]

What did you come up with...?

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@roster: This is a technicality though.. you said that was the game Montosh was talking about. Talking where?

I have no idea. I’ll ask Montosh (hey look I’m talking to him!)

I’m not like doubting that you have the Montosh thing, it’s more just like the only way we get any Montosh stuff is by taking your word for it.

I’m more playing devil’s advocate than anything, but yeah.

I generally don’t like to assume people are just going to be incapable as scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Everyones turning on me and its disgusting

I’m sorry I said you could be scum. I didn’t push it at all. My words do a lot.

[Flavor Leaf]

I said scummy, not scum.

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I don't think its exactly impossible that you could fake a Montosh.

Yeah, you’re the only person who can see any of what montosh would possibly say, so we don’t know if you’re faking it ever or not.

Also, with that sentiment, why would scum ever say their person isn’t talking?

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, but not stances.

Do you think Scum wouldn’t claim to have the player?

[Flavor Leaf]

Mastina has never read me correctly.

And people who are dead don’t just magically have better reads.

Mastina’s just salty I got lazy and went on her even though I stated I thought she’d flip town. It’s not like I tried to hide that fact.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel Roster is scum just saying that his thoughts are Montosh’s thoughts.

[Flavor Leaf]

Actually, yeah, but I’m still not scum. Your ghosts are wrong.

That’s exactly the reason why i went on Mastina because she pushes at me when I’m town, and she did it again here.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ve never played with Montosh before, but that should say enough about someone trying to read me on their first playthrough.

I also kill off high priority targets as scum, and Montosh was not that.

[Flavor Leaf]

But it doesn’t make Mastina scummy for Pusina you?

Idk. I’ve never played with ScumMastina.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like she would abuse tunneling me as scum, which is why when I’m tunneled by her, I’m never not just gonna fight back a little.

I can link a game later where I was fighting with her and went back and forth pushing her as scum, but then just calling her town with a bad read and tunneling.

[Flavor Leaf]

A team who liked how the general gamestate was, so they killed someone on the outer rim to not change that.

I kill off threats who can meta me out and know how to argue against me, not someone who’s never played with me and thus has no idea how to argue against me.

ScumMe easily could argue with Montosh and just win the 1v1. I can’t do that with the majority of this player list and then come out Scott’s free afterwards.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like Boon is taking the whole devils advocate thing too far, which is a ding for scum Boon

How so...?

This is something I just realized about myself, and have been generally saying this the past few days.

[Flavor Leaf]

You were literally in the game I realized it

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But it doesn’t make Mastina scummy for Pusina you?

I said she could abuse it.

I don’t think it’s inherently scummy for Mastina to push me because she pushes me when she’s town.

She’s just mad I essentially PL’d her, but I just didn’t feel like arguing with her, and I was overgamed so i didn’t really do much Day 1, which is town indicative of me. ScumMe controls games. I haven’t done shit this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why did you think you were “conftown” then...?

Wtf

[Flavor Leaf]

Wagonomics

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor Leaf has been prodded by himself.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Omochao

Back to serious vote.

Montosh agrees with this btw. He thinks we have either Omochao/Titus or NMSA/Flavour as scumteams. Then obviously one more scum somewhere.

Montosh is obviously putting in more effort than me at the moment so a question from him:
@Flavour:

Omochao slot probably scum still

If you thought that Omochao was scum at this point why weren’t you pushing him instead of Mastina?

I haven’t been doing much at all. I had a scum game on site that burnt me out a lot, and thatjust finished a day or so ago, so I’m in a cooldown period.

Uh, omochao was scummy because Ras, then Clemency Townes it up a bit, then omochao scummed it up a bit, then omochao Towned it up, so that’s where I’m at there. I got AtE’d successfully if they’re scum.

And I just sheeped on Mastina more as a joke, then Mastina came after me, and I went “fine, I’m just gonna leave it because you’re tunneling me incorrectly again or scum.” Either way it was good to go there for me, While i finished up my scum game.

I generally am able to sniff out townies being ran up, though, i just didn’t know where else to go.

If that makes sense.

[Flavor Leaf]

tbf, I was essentially a loud goon in one of Boon's games. And I don't see why the idea of a loud goon is so impossible. In fact, I think its kinda cool. OF course the question then becomes does he claim his loud mod as scum?

I was about to bring that up.

I like to give scum some traps and things to play around.

[Flavor Leaf]

Did somebody say L-1?

VOTE: Titus

[Flavor Leaf]

Didn’t read a single thing, tbh.

I’m town, though, that’ll be a mislynch

Y’all put someone to L-1 with a Flavor not reading

[Flavor Leaf]

At this point, I’m essentially waiting until late game to play this game like a replace in

[Flavor Leaf]

:shrug: blame the L-2. If I’m in a game and not posting, means I’m likely not reading and thus will hammer to make it easier on myself.

I have a meta of hammering like that AND hardcore defending situations like that. This was the former, not the latter.

If this flips scum, look at the people going “damn it FL”

[Flavor Leaf]

If this flips scum, I’m conf town because I would never hammer buddyTitus in that scenario.

Y’all best know Flavor’s coming, so scum, keep @‘ing me hard. Keep thinking you can setup my mislynch.

[Flavor Leaf]

:shrug: blame the L-2. If I’m in a game and not posting, means I’m likely not reading and thus will hammer to make it easier on myself.

I have a meta of hammering like that AND hardcore defending situations like that. This was the former, not the latter.

If this flips scum, look at the people going “damn it FL”

I was gonna be mad at you for having the mentality of a child when it comes to people telling you you're wrong, but I can't be fucked because I'm just happy this is over

I accept when I’m wrong if I’m actually wrong. I was ready for the day to end. I did exactly what i thought was best for the game. If Titus flips scum, I’m not in the wrong at all.

If Titus flips town, sure, I should have been the town hero and defended, but I haven’t been in the game actively enough to feel like that was the case.

But Titus legit got to L-1, if people weren’t okay with her being lynched, they shouldn’t have been on her.

[Flavor Leaf]

I locked the Vote Counts.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nobody claim any of the spirits yet.

@Nero Cain - are/were you in a neighborhood?

[Flavor Leaf]

So i got Titus and she’s pissed

[Flavor Leaf]

She’s not mad at me

[Flavor Leaf]

She doesn’t blame the hammer she blames the rest of it

[Flavor Leaf]

The rest of the wagon

[Flavor Leaf]

EH, she could be mad at me. I have a feeling she’s trying to get me killed

[Flavor Leaf]

Legit as the rogue one I am, you can trust Flavor Leaf.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nobody should claim A50 since that happens by itself.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t understand? Not opposing, but don’t understand

[Flavor Leaf]

Roster, Remember what's fake and never counted for meta. That's great for reading Boonskiies. Keep that in mind and you'll know what I know.

[Flavor Leaf]

Legit as the rogue one I am, you can trust Flavor Leaf.

Nero

[Flavor Leaf]

Titus says she’s still sorting out idiots from scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

She says to reread the crumbs she sent

[Flavor Leaf]

Roster, Remember what's fake and never counted for meta. That's great for reading Boonskiies. Keep that in mind and you'll know what I know.

[Flavor Leaf]

Legit as the rogue one I am, you can trust Flavor Leaf.

[Flavor Leaf]

I low key think she’s trying to get me mislynched for hammering, tbh.

[Flavor Leaf]

https://forums.darklordpotter.net/threa ... fia.33371/

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, that sucks. We had the win lined up imo.

Titus playing for the scum team let us warlock Roster

[Flavor Leaf]

Ras cheated in 5+ games.

I actually started asking people around the site about an account called Notes. It’s why i took like a month to nominate him for Boonin it in the slums, because I was doing detective work. I couldn’t link him to Awestfie ever, though.

I stopped allowing Notes to spectate my games

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah I don’t see why this game ended considering RAS replaced out.

Safety. RAS had too good reads probably. Once he got banned, the concern is town check his reads.

Yeah, Ras knew I was scum, but he knew he couldn’t beat me in a 1v1 and I don’t think he could handle knowing everything and not doing anything about it.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like its maybe a bit premature to say that this defiantly would have been a scum win.

Yeah I wouldn’t have lynched you Elbrin, NMSA, or Omoacho.

You were dead this night phase, though

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, i felt off when I lost a scum game earlier in the year to Ras’ like entrance on site.

And then Ras handled an RC vs FL 1v1 by accurately jail keeping ScumTeacher which made Teacher end up forfeiting.

A lot of games were compromised.

[Flavor Leaf]

He also made Nancy quit here.

Proof that doesn’t matter if you have the correct reads if you can’t get me killed, Ras.

[Flavor Leaf]

Does this mean my scum defeat doesn’t count because Ras was in it and wa sthe reason I died?