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So why would scum do that then? What am I missing here?In post 867, CheekyTeeky wrote:I have a weird tinfoil theory where the nokill was an attempt to discredit DEB who may have been legit.
I think AA knows better than to push associatives in a flipless.
The push on Mastina looks opportunistic from Egix and Bujbuj.
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???In post 868, CheekyTeeky wrote:The way Chemist is thinking solidifies my townread there.People don’t want to hear the truth because they don’t want their illusions destroyed.-
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wouldn't it be funny if the scumteam was just chickadee + chemist1422?
I happened to look at the VC and those two names were the ones that stuck out as the ones I didn't really feel like I had any direct reasons to townread???
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Dann are you scum or 3p this game?
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In post 1020, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
???In post 995, Chemist1422 wrote:
really makes you think, doesn’t itIn post 994, Arkham Asylum wrote:wouldn't it be funny if the scumteam was just chickadee + chemist1422?
I happened to look at the VC and those two names were the ones that stuck out as the ones I didn't really feel like I had any direct reasons to townread???
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Poison Ivy wants to know why you think we are “conf town”.
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Well we know now that DEB was lockscum, since his claim was complete bs.In post 1048, Dannflor wrote:I don't really know if claiming today was mechanically optimal but I figure it's not the worst case at least to get some information out there considering flipless
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LOLIn post 1060, Flavor Leaf wrote:AA was bringing up the fact that they’re the most likely to die right?
That’s setting up this gambit, Dan could be a part of it.
However, by no killing there it makes it seem like the doctor still can protect.
VOTE: AA
This isn’t town
WHAT?
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The problem is I just modded you trying to argue that the traitor in animu was recruited night 3 or whatever instead of night 1 so you making completely nonsensical inferences about night actions does kinda read as scummy to me now, but I've kinda liked you for town since RVS so I don't like this feeling about you right now. There's no reason to think that we would gambit with a no kill night 1 when even if a doc is real that might not be the town's protective structure; instead it's just as likely to think there would be a roleblocker or a jailkeeper. The "doc enabler" doesn't do much since the game is flipless, and in any case if you think scum no kill to bait a doc save claim n1 from a rando... just no, dude. Either you think we're scum with Dann or you evaluate your read of us without that in mind. But the amount of bad logical leaps required for you to go down that little rabbit hole just really damaged my read of you lol
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Now that Dann claimed for basically no reason given we weren't under pressure and he wasn't under pressure is kinda ??? but given the game is flipless I guess I can see a world he would want to claim a soft inno even if it means he probably dies tonight
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@Flavor why are you voting for us, a slot that is almost confitown now due to Dann soft inno?In post 1079, Jingle wrote:
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In post 1060, Flavor Leaf wrote:AA was bringing up the fact that they’re the most likely to die right?
That’s setting up this gambit, Dan could be a part of it.
However, by no killing there it makes it seem like the doctor still can protect.
VOTE: AA
This isn’t townIn post 1061, Flavor Leaf wrote:I can soul read DEB; I’m not wrong.
FL isn’t this bad as town, so I guess our initial tr on him was wrong.In post 1062, Arkham Asylum wrote:You didn't actually roll scum 5 times simultaneously did you boon?
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It makes absolutely no sense for Dann to fakeclaim doc on us and I don’t believe for one second scum no killed last night.
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You either rolled scum here or are smoking something really mind altering.In post 1076, Flavor Leaf wrote:It also benefits scum for people to think DEB is scum, when I feel it’s more likely he is town.
I’m leaning scum.
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I can confirm because I'm smoking the same thingIn post 1084, Arkham Asylum wrote:
You either rolled scum here or are smoking something really mind altering.In post 1076, Flavor Leaf wrote:It also benefits scum for people to think DEB is scum, when I feel it’s more likely he is town.
I’m leaning scum.
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Not WOAT school bad. In what world does a slot claim to have doc’d us, where there’s no kill and no one has CC’d him. Yet, in some nonsensical universe we are logically scum here?
But hey thanks for increasing the entertainment value of this game. You never disappoint. <3
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In post 1087, Flavor Leaf wrote:AA confscumIn post 1088, Flavor Leaf wrote:Look at how they defend themselvesIn post 1089, Flavor Leaf wrote:They’re counterpushing rather than defendingPeople don’t want to hear the truth because they don’t want their illusions destroyed.-
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I think FL knows he can’t mislynch us, so he’s hoping to inject enough paranoia so that Dann doesn’t protect us and he gets a free shot at us. Sorry to disappoint you but neither Dann or us remembered to take our stupid pills today.
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well that confirms that the guess was right at leastIn post 1094, Ankamius wrote:Okay, we really need people to start actually doing something in this game.
This game has strong potential to be a town win just by raw PoE if people just come in and DO THINGS, but I'm suspecting that people are thinking that the lack of flip info means that the game is going to be hard to find enough town to just raw PoE the game out.
First, FL, your argument for us being scum is completely insane. Dannflor I strongly suspect doesn't make a play like that as scum, and you're high as hell if you think that our slot specifically coached them when we have enough competent scum players in this hydra to be able to help direct this play in a way that makes a lot more sense as a crumb instead of Dann fumbling it into a full claim out of nowhere after almost directly hard claiming it. And that's not even going into the idea that town has a doctor enabler that, by occam's razor, has a town doctor attached to it, so our plan, AS SUGGESTED BY YOU, is to claim a role that is NK bait with very likely a town counterpart that has to justify not dying day after day to protect a slot that was doing just fine for itself so that both of them can fall once the doctor claim finally falls through.
This head specifically has never townread you this game, but town!you really needs to shape up here because now I'm the only slot that is balancing my other heads from wanting your head today (which I'm only preventing specificallybecause I know you will spam the thread with nonsense if this tunnel is allowed to continue.)
Now, I want to build another PoE to work from in order to find today's lynch target.
mastina is town because I said so.
Dannflor is town because of the claim.
My townread on Egix96 is intact, but that also is me thinking that he's not a high priority sort, since I expect a scum!Egix will get caught before the game is over regardless.
NerfedBuj and Pine I'm fine with leaving. They'll be plenty sortable over the long term and I remember having townreads on them yesterday.
Flavor Leaf, regardless of alignment, is incorrect to lynch today because we more need the game to not get bogged down in bullshit than anything, because the game is beyond lethargic today.
That leaves Chemist1422, Chickadee, jjh927, Binary Star, and CheekyTeeky.
I'm not entirely interested in lynching Binary Star or jjh927, the former because I'm mostly alone in scumreading them currently and because I need more info before determining what I'm finding scummy about them is valid with what's going on in the game; the latter because he's sortable even though I don't remember a single thing that slot has done since the game started.
CheekyTeeky I've been flipflopping on, my most recent read was town but I don't really know about that.
And as noted before, Chemist1422 and Chickadee are the two slots I have never seen a single good reason to townread, nor do I expect that either of them will unexpectedly town up over time without trustworthy mechanical wizardry going on. I would PREFER one of the two being lynched today off what is currently available in the thread, with particular attention towards attempting to properly sort CheekyTeeky, Flavor Leaf, and Binary Star.
It's time to get off your asses and play the game. Start discussing things so that we can start coming to a consensus before the game dies and becomes a living zombie simulator. A lack of direct flip info is no excuse to not try to sort people, you just need to use different and more clever methods to do so.
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I don't care about DEB's claim. His claim is completely irrelevant to how I'm seeing the game because I don't see enough information to properly sort it within the setup. Nor do I see it likely that we will be able to over time thanks to the lack of flips.
Just hunt, stop humoring things that don't matter.
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I hope you realize that under your own assumptions, we have to weigh the possibility that you're the scum changing and freezing the gamestate off of DEB's claim, especially since you've given no evidence for actually sorting using that instead of just tunneling it well after it became directly relevant to the game until literally just now. Your case on us has been demonstrated to be nonsense and you're already talking like you've accepted it as nonsense, so I'm not buying that case on us being scum as legitimate sorting for this, sorry. Especially since you have far more experience with gambits like this as scum than any of us; I'm more surprised that you didn't see the problems with this immediately.
On top of that, as town!FL, you'd have to accept that as someone who does crazy fake mechanical crap as scum, we can't take you entirely seriously about mechanical things without strong evidence or proof that you are town, so assuming that people are scum for doing this and ignoring your read on DEB is frankly ridiculous.
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I'm ending this side of the debate now before it turns into spam.
I'm also going to bed because I work in less than 8 hours.
If you're town, get people to start talking so that we can start properly sorting people. That will also give you more to work with to figure out what exactly scum is doing here. It might also help stop the game from dragging through the mud because nobody cares. It's really a win/win/win.
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No one is CCing Dann and why would scum!him fakeclaim doc here? We know we’re town obviously and if DEB was telling the truth then maybe there’s more than one doc enabler because I can’t see in which world scum no kills rather than take us out. And if you still think it suspicious that we claimed being N1 NK target, then I have one word for you: Undertale. The most obvtown read hydra was targeted N1 there too. In their case, doc didn’t protect them.
@Poison Ivy, @Katwoman, I may be misremembering that game, probably because it was so painful for me to go through.:/
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...............................................................In post 1112, Flavor Leaf wrote:You’re also using every generic FL discredit technique in the game.
Alright nvm I'm not going to stop my other heads if they want to lynch you anymore.
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But why would scum no kill just to discredit DEB? I don’t see how that serves their scum wincon?In post 1115, Flavor Leaf wrote:That’s LITERALLY the MAIN point I’m bringing up.
I disagree you were the intended night kill because that implies Dann’s doctor shot worked, when I am damn near sure that it didn’t because DEB doesnt make that claim up.
And that would totally suck that Dann hardclaimed for absolutely nothing if true.
If your solve is actually right here, then you, us and Dann are all being gaslighted.
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Some of the things you are saying are probably right. But your conclusion is wrong. And explaining the thing you are wrong about is bad for town. Our heads don't all agree on whether deb was town or scum and I don't think today's flip should be overdetermined from our guess of his alignment or the veracity of his claim.
Take a look at chicka. If you think deb was town, what do you think of chicka's attitude toward deb?
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Why did you ask this? We didn’t see any reason for Dann to fullclaim.In post 1032, Binary Star wrote:You would have to full claim what you have before I can take a "soft innocent" seriously, and you should probably do so given how much you've already said.
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Do you think there’s more than one doc enabler? FL seems beyond convinced DEB wasn’t lying. What I can’t wrap my head around, is why would scum no kill just to discredit a dead player?In post 1117, Arkham Asylum wrote:Some of the things you are saying are probably right. But your conclusion is wrong. And explaining the thing you are wrong about is bad for town. Our heads don't all agree on whether deb was town or scum and I don't think today's flip should be overdetermined from our guess of his alignment or the veracity of his claim.
Take a look at chicka. If you think deb was town, what do you think of chicka's attitude toward deb?
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