Mini Theme 2083 - Vengeful Ghosts Endgame

[Arkham Asylum]

You have a personal PT you're noting them in?

[Arkham Asylum]

With the [post] tags? Or are you rapidly adding them in when you paste here?

[Arkham Asylum]

You're on a tablet?
(Last of my shitty questions, sorry )

[Arkham Asylum]

Step 1: Iso Chickadee
Step 2: Vote Chickadee
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

I have a weird tinfoil theory where the nokill was an attempt to discredit DEB who may have been legit.
I think AA knows better than to push associatives in a flipless.
The push on Mastina looks opportunistic from Egix and Bujbuj.

So why would scum do that then? What am I missing here?

~Harley

[Arkham Asylum]

The way Chemist is thinking solidifies my townread there.

???

[Arkham Asylum]

Oh hey is mastina finally playing the game?

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

Neat

Have one of my hydra partners come get me when you do something readable

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

—

Skip to Next Vote Count

—

---

I look forward to the game becoming unreadable, FL.

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

I might legit try tomorrow idk yet

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

I want to PoE the game again

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

nah I won't

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

are we voting anyone? pretend I'm scumreading them.

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

btw mastina is town

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

can we lynch FL because it's hilarious?

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

wouldn't it be funny if the scumteam was just chickadee + chemist1422?

I happened to look at the VC and those two names were the ones that stuck out as the ones I didn't really feel like I had any direct reasons to townread???

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

do I have to?

can I just not?

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

—

Skip to Next Vote Count

—

---

hmmm

VOTE: Egix

Egix, why did you start taking notes this game?

Dann are you scum or 3p this game?

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

Why is Chickadee not lynched yet after I explicitly told everyone to read her iso and then vote her?

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

wouldn't it be funny if the scumteam was just chickadee + chemist1422?

I happened to look at the VC and those two names were the ones that stuck out as the ones I didn't really feel like I had any direct reasons to townread???

~ Poison Ivy

really makes you think, doesn’t it

???

[Arkham Asylum]

Vote Count 2.1

Flavor?

With 12 alive, it is 7 to Lynch or 6 to No Lynch!

mastina (4): NerfedBuj, mastina, Binary Star, Dannflor,
Egix96 (1): CheekyTeeky,
Arkham Asylum (1): Chemist1422,
Chickadee (1): Arkham Asylum,
Chemist1422 (0):
Flavor Leaf (0):
Pine (0):
NerfedBuj (0):
Dannflor (0):
jjh927 (0):
Binary Star (0):
CheekyTeeky (0):

Not Voting (6): Flavor Leaf, Pine, NerfedBuj, Chickadee, Egix96, jjh927,

Deadline: Day 2 will end in 10 days, on July 13th. This is in (expired on 2019-07-13 08:00:00). Please note, this is a slight extension from the advertised day length, due to mod absence.

Chickadee is V/LA.

Why is Mastina the top wagon?

~Harley

[Arkham Asylum]

AA is um

conf town

Poison Ivy wants to know why you think we are “conf town”.

~HQ

[Arkham Asylum]

@Binary Star, Poison Ivy wants to know what your current reads and thoughts on the game are.

[Arkham Asylum]

Other than Dann.

~H

[Arkham Asylum]

Why?

-B

Poison Ivy says she’s resorting you.

~H

[Arkham Asylum]

—

Skip to Next Vote Count

—

---

I don't really know if claiming today was mechanically optimal but I figure it's not the worst case at least to get some information out there considering flipless

Well we know now that DEB was lockscum, since his claim was complete bs.

~HQ

[Arkham Asylum]

You didn't actually roll scum 5 times simultaneously did you boon?

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

AA was bringing up the fact that they’re the most likely to die right?

That’s setting up this gambit, Dan could be a part of it.

However, by no killing there it makes it seem like the doctor still can protect.

VOTE: AA

This isn’t town

LOL

WHAT?

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

The problem is I just modded you trying to argue that the traitor in animu was recruited night 3 or whatever instead of night 1 so you making completely nonsensical inferences about night actions does kinda read as scummy to me now, but I've kinda liked you for town since RVS so I don't like this feeling about you right now. There's no reason to think that we would gambit with a no kill night 1 when even if a doc is real that might not be the town's protective structure; instead it's just as likely to think there would be a roleblocker or a jailkeeper. The "doc enabler" doesn't do much since the game is flipless, and in any case if you think scum no kill to bait a doc save claim n1 from a rando... just no, dude. Either you think we're scum with Dann or you evaluate your read of us without that in mind. But the amount of bad logical leaps required for you to go down that little rabbit hole just really damaged my read of you lol

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

Now that Dann claimed for basically no reason given we weren't under pressure and he wasn't under pressure is kinda ??? but given the game is flipless I guess I can see a world he would want to claim a soft inno even if it means he probably dies tonight

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

—

Skip to Next Vote Count

—

---

There it is!

That's the Flavor Leaf WIFOM I was on the edge of my seat for!

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

Vote Count 2.3

With 12 alive, it is 7 to Lynch or 6 to No Lynch!

mastina (3): NerfedBuj, mastina, Binary Star,
Egix96 (1): CheekyTeeky,
Chickadee (1): Arkham Asylum,
jjh927 (1): Dannflor,
Arkham Asylum (1): Flavor Leaf,
Flavor Leaf (1): jjh927,
Dannflor (0):
Chemist1422 (0):
Pine (0):
NerfedBuj (0):
Binary Star (0):
CheekyTeeky (0):

Not Voting (5): Pine, NerfedBuj, Chickadee, Egix96, Chemist1422,

Deadline: Day 2 will end in 10 days, on July 13th. This is in (expired on 2019-07-13 08:00:00). Please note, this is a slight extension from the advertised day length, due to mod absence.

Chickadee is V/LA.

@Flavor why are you voting for us, a slot that is almost confitown now due to Dann soft inno?





~Harley

[Arkham Asylum]

AA was bringing up the fact that they’re the most likely to die right?

That’s setting up this gambit, Dan could be a part of it.

However, by no killing there it makes it seem like the doctor still can protect.

VOTE: AA

This isn’t town

I can soul read DEB; I’m not wrong.

You didn't actually roll scum 5 times simultaneously did you boon?

-Kat

FL isn’t this bad as town, so I guess our initial tr on him was wrong.

It makes absolutely no sense for Dann to fakeclaim doc on us and I don’t believe for one second scum no killed last night.

~HQ

[Arkham Asylum]

It also benefits scum for people to think DEB is scum, when I feel it’s more likely he is town.

You either rolled scum here or are smoking something really mind altering.

I’m leaning scum.

~Harley

[Arkham Asylum]

It also benefits scum for people to think DEB is scum, when I feel it’s more likely he is town.

You either rolled scum here or are smoking something really mind altering.

I’m leaning scum.

~Harley

I can confirm because I'm smoking the same thing

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

I disagree.

I’m ONLY that bad as town

Not WOAT school bad. In what world does a slot claim to have doc’d us, where there’s no kill and no one has CC’d him. Yet, in some nonsensical universe we are logically scum here?

But hey thanks for increasing the entertainment value of this game. You never disappoint. <3

~HQ

[Arkham Asylum]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I really thought you were town before this. :/

~HQ

[Arkham Asylum]

AA confscum

Look at how they defend themselves

They’re counterpushing rather than defending

[Arkham Asylum]

UNVOTE: Flavor Leaf

I'm hard vetoing this mutual death tunnel

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

I think FL knows he can’t mislynch us, so he’s hoping to inject enough paranoia so that Dann doesn’t protect us and he gets a free shot at us. Sorry to disappoint you but neither Dann or us remembered to take our stupid pills today.

~HQ

[Arkham Asylum]

Okay, we really need people to start actually doing something in this game.

This game has strong potential to be a town win just by raw PoE if people just come in and DO THINGS, but I'm suspecting that people are thinking that the lack of flip info means that the game is going to be hard to find enough town to just raw PoE the game out.

First, FL, your argument for us being scum is completely insane. Dannflor I strongly suspect doesn't make a play like that as scum, and you're high as hell if you think that our slot specifically coached them when we have enough competent scum players in this hydra to be able to help direct this play in a way that makes a lot more sense as a crumb instead of Dann fumbling it into a full claim out of nowhere after almost directly hard claiming it. And that's not even going into the idea that town has a doctor enabler that, by occam's razor, has a town doctor attached to it, so our plan, AS SUGGESTED BY YOU, is to claim a role that is NK bait with very likely a town counterpart that has to justify not dying day after day to protect a slot that was doing just fine for itself so that both of them can fall once the doctor claim finally falls through.

This head specifically has never townread you this game, but town!you really needs to shape up here because now I'm the only slot that is balancing my other heads from wanting your head today (which I'm only preventing specifically

because I know you will spam the thread with nonsense if this tunnel is allowed to continue

.)

Now, I want to build another PoE to work from in order to find today's lynch target.

mastina is town because I said so.
Dannflor is town because of the claim.
My townread on Egix96 is intact, but that also is me thinking that he's not a high priority sort, since I expect a scum!Egix will get caught before the game is over regardless.
NerfedBuj and Pine I'm fine with leaving. They'll be plenty sortable over the long term and I remember having townreads on them yesterday.
Flavor Leaf, regardless of alignment, is incorrect to lynch today because we more need the game to not get bogged down in bullshit than anything, because the game is beyond lethargic today.

That leaves Chemist1422, Chickadee, jjh927, Binary Star, and CheekyTeeky.

I'm not entirely interested in lynching Binary Star or jjh927, the former because I'm mostly alone in scumreading them currently and because I need more info before determining what I'm finding scummy about them is valid with what's going on in the game; the latter because he's sortable even though I don't remember a single thing that slot has done since the game started.

CheekyTeeky I've been flipflopping on, my most recent read was town but I don't really know about that.

And as noted before, Chemist1422 and Chickadee are the two slots I have never seen a single good reason to townread, nor do I expect that either of them will unexpectedly town up over time without trustworthy mechanical wizardry going on. I would PREFER one of the two being lynched today off what is currently available in the thread, with particular attention towards attempting to properly sort CheekyTeeky, Flavor Leaf, and Binary Star.

It's time to get off your asses and play the game. Start discussing things so that we can start coming to a consensus before the game dies and becomes a living zombie simulator. A lack of direct flip info is no excuse to not try to sort people, you just need to use different and more clever methods to do so.

~ Poison Ivy

well that confirms that the guess was right at least

[Arkham Asylum]

I don't care about DEB's claim. His claim is completely irrelevant to how I'm seeing the game because I don't see enough information to properly sort it within the setup. Nor do I see it likely that we will be able to over time thanks to the lack of flips.

Just hunt, stop humoring things that don't matter.

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

And now you realize why I'm scumreading Binary Star?

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

I hope you realize that under your own assumptions, we have to weigh the possibility that you're the scum changing and freezing the gamestate off of DEB's claim, especially since you've given no evidence for actually sorting using that instead of just tunneling it well after it became directly relevant to the game until literally just now. Your case on us has been demonstrated to be nonsense and you're already talking like you've accepted it as nonsense, so I'm not buying that case on us being scum as legitimate sorting for this, sorry. Especially since you have far more experience with gambits like this as scum than any of us; I'm more surprised that you didn't see the problems with this immediately.

On top of that, as town!FL, you'd have to accept that as someone who does crazy fake mechanical crap as scum, we can't take you entirely seriously about mechanical things without strong evidence or proof that you are town, so assuming that people are scum for doing this and ignoring your read on DEB is frankly ridiculous.

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

I'm ending this side of the debate now before it turns into spam.

I'm also going to bed because I work in less than 8 hours.

If you're town, get people to start talking so that we can start properly sorting people. That will also give you more to work with to figure out what exactly scum is doing here. It might also help stop the game from dragging through the mud because nobody cares. It's really a win/win/win.

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

No one is CCing Dann and why would scum!him fakeclaim doc here? We know we’re town obviously and if DEB was telling the truth then maybe there’s more than one doc enabler because I can’t see in which world scum no kills rather than take us out. And if you still think it suspicious that we claimed being N1 NK target, then I have one word for you: Undertale. The most obvtown read hydra was targeted N1 there too. In their case, doc didn’t protect them.

@Poison Ivy, @Katwoman, I may be misremembering that game, probably because it was so painful for me to go through.:/

~Harley

[Arkham Asylum]

I actually think I know what happened but if I explain it to boon it ruins it.

Can you drop the night action spec boon? Thanks.

-kat

[Arkham Asylum]

You’re also using every generic FL discredit technique in the game.

...............................................................

Alright nvm I'm not going to stop my other heads if they want to lynch you anymore.

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

FL still maybe town. I have trouble believing scum!him would be insane enough to try to push the slot that was the obviously intended NK.

He also sounds really sincere.

~Harley Quinn

[Arkham Asylum]

That’s LITERALLY the MAIN point I’m bringing up.

I disagree you were the intended night kill because that implies Dann’s doctor shot worked, when I am damn near sure that it didn’t because DEB doesnt make that claim up.

But why would scum no kill just to discredit DEB? I don’t see how that serves their scum wincon?

And that would totally suck that Dann hardclaimed for absolutely nothing if true.

If your solve is actually right here, then you, us and Dann are all being gaslighted.

~HQ

[Arkham Asylum]

Some of the things you are saying are probably right. But your conclusion is wrong. And explaining the thing you are wrong about is bad for town. Our heads don't all agree on whether deb was town or scum and I don't think today's flip should be overdetermined from our guess of his alignment or the veracity of his claim.

Take a look at chicka. If you think deb was town, what do you think of chicka's attitude toward deb?

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

You would have to full claim what you have before I can take a "soft innocent" seriously, and you should probably do so given how much you've already said.

-B

Why did you ask this? We didn’t see any reason for Dann to fullclaim.

~HQ

[Arkham Asylum]

Some of the things you are saying are probably right. But your conclusion is wrong. And explaining the thing you are wrong about is bad for town. Our heads don't all agree on whether deb was town or scum and I don't think today's flip should be overdetermined from our guess of his alignment or the veracity of his claim.

Take a look at chicka. If you think deb was town, what do you think of chicka's attitude toward deb?

-Kat

Do you think there’s more than one doc enabler? FL seems beyond convinced DEB wasn’t lying. What I can’t wrap my head around, is why would scum no kill just to discredit a dead player?

~Harley

[Arkham Asylum]

0.o check my theory on discord harley

-kat

[Arkham Asylum]

Anyway, back to hard townreading FL. I had a strong gut townread on him from pretty much the first post.

~Harley

[Arkham Asylum]

C O O L
B E A N S

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

Stop this BS, BS

~ Poison Ivy stealing Jokers joke

[Arkham Asylum]

I feel like that slot is only pushing us because I called them scum

~ Pichu

[Arkham Asylum]

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

Having scumreads means I am pushing a scum narrative, gotcha.

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

It has nothing to do with your post quality degrading drastically, then going stone cold silent until you come by to try to push me essentially for scumreading you?

That's a pile of crap if I've ever seen one.

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

Cool

Do shit so I can actually sort you, thanks.

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

—

Skip to Next Vote Count

—

---

The counterplay to scum!boon is to think for more than two minutes with your brain

I laughed harder at this than I should have

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

Good talk everyone now let's go back to lynching obvscum please thanks

VOTE: Chickadee

BS has (expired on 2019-07-07 17:07:27) to stop being bad because I think they're too smart to actually believe the rubbish they've been spewing in the last two pages before I just assume they're S/S with Chicka and were waiting for the focus to be off her.

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

I'm commander shepard and this is my favorite

store

hydra partner on

the citadel

vengeful ghosts

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

What rubbish have they been spewing. They’re the most correct in this game that I’ve seen thus far

Thinking we no kill night 1 with 0 town power structure revealed to bait a save that we don't even know exists which requires us to have knowledge of DEB's alignment to know whether he was disabling the role that we're apparently baiting a fucking save on are you LISTENING TO YOURSELF BOON?

Lynch Chicka, my patience for your deep dive tinfoil pizza only goes so far

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

I really don't care how we look, I just want people to actually show up and do things that will get us any closer to sorting people than the same 3 slots we've been talking about all day?

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

FL do you think BS is town still

I'm really struggling to believe that they think we would be looking to make them a late game lynch in this type of game as a response to a scumread

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

I don't. Feels good here.

So which head is smoking the crack pipe?

Asking for a friend.

~Harley

[Arkham Asylum]

Guys don't claim

[Arkham Asylum]

It’s anti town not to claim in a flipless game.

I will catch you two scum guaranteed if we mass claim, so only scum won’t be claiming.

Why does flipless imply an immediate mass claim? Is there precedent for this?

I believe some roles probably counter the flipless mech through information on dead slots - having them claim and get neutered by scum is anti-town at this point.

How would you catch two scum guaranteed?

[Arkham Asylum]

And we already have PR’s claimed, both of which are good to keep alive so mass claiming onl ypotentially protects them and if not, they’re gonna die anyways.

If you don’t think DEB was a Doc Enabler, then that means we have an active doctor in play as well, automatically meaning that any PR we want can be safe.

If another claim's protecting them, it's because the other claim's more valuable to town and is killed off.

We get no info from flips, but there must be roles that gain information. If we out them now, we'll render them useless.

[Arkham Asylum]

We aren't claiming, at best this is completely unnecessary and at worst it directly lowers our winning chances by encouraging town to think mechanically over things that actually matter.

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

Is Harley Nancy, I’m terrible with figuring out hydra heads.

Yep.

[Arkham Asylum]

Dann, Egix, Binary, Flavor town block.

AA can hang out on the porch, but they’re being decently anti town and gives me the jonkie bonkies.

Didn’t you say in LotV, you could read me better since our ND hood?

~Harley

[Arkham Asylum]

I'd rather not

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

@AA - I’m Not really keeping track of who’s who again, but I said that i was lean towning that slot.

And I disagree. You guys aren’t handling flipless well.

Just trust it, please

I don’t remember what lotv is either

Legacy of the Void. You said you could read me because of the hood but now I suspect that wasn’t true, it was your mason buddy A50 that made you realize I was town.

I’m Nancy and both you and especially BS are being WOATS and you guys should feel bad about that.

Anyway, don’t ever say again you have a clue how to read me because you clearly don’t.

Spoiler:

I don’t even understand the convoluted thought process involved in sr us here. There was no kill D2 in YGM because you proected our slot but in this game you misread us for the exact same thing. How?

~HQ
.

[Arkham Asylum]

I’m not scum reading you, idk why you keep saying that.

And i didn’t really do anything in YGM.

Oh, I thought you were voting us?

You jailkept my slot and prevented the NK, although I think we still had a commute we could have used. I’m a little fuzzy on the details now.

~H

[Arkham Asylum]

—

Skip to Next Vote Count

—

---

Oh yeah, could anyone who likes to be considered sane but is also currently TRing Flavor Leaf make themselves known so we can have a short conversation with the intention of challenging one of those views

I think town!FL gets it into his head that a mass claim is a great idea very easily

Fellow insane person checking in. You know I picked Harley Quinn for a reason.

[Arkham Asylum]

You seem to not understand that this game is FLIPLESS and the ONLY source of information is player claims.

Why are votes on FL when this slot voting us is even more gazillion times wtf, considering that they’re apparently 4 heads that have taken leave of their senses? You would expect at least one head to smack the other three out of the most ridiculous moonlogic I’ve ever seen in my history of playing mafia.

~HQ

[Arkham Asylum]

FL, this is hugely important.

What are your individual reads currently?

I feel like I'm close to a solve.

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

LOCKTOWN

Arkham Asylum
Flavor Leaf
jjh927
Dannflor

LIKELY TOWN THAT I WANT TO FACTCHECK

Chickadee
Egix96
CheekyTeeky

TOWNISH

NerfedBuj
Binary Star (Secret Hydra)

PoE

Chemist1422
mastina
Pine

I think these three lynches end the game significantly more often than it doesn't. Most of the rest are ended with NerfedBuJ and Binary Star also flipping.

I want to double check that the other three names are valid townreads before locking them in, but I think they're less likely to be scum than any of the rest below them.

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

I think anyone who is trying to place Boon on wifomy meta is kidding themselves.

Try to come up with actual reasoning behind actions and actually say that. 1249 is an indirect and less powerful version of "I think FL's push for massclaim comes from a genuine belief that it would be positive." Would you take that stance, or are you trying to say you think he's town without making a hard commitment?

I think the last several posts by FL are significantly more likely to be town-indicative than anything he's posted so far this game, I don't buy that scum!FL has that type of attitude towards a game like this, especially in a world where DEB is also scum.

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

And btw, yes I don't agree with the Pine townreads at all.

Look at how he handled DEB and tell me that scum never pull that shit.

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

I think anyone who is trying to place Boon on wifomy meta is kidding themselves.

Try to come up with actual reasoning behind actions and actually say that. 1249 is an indirect and less powerful version of "I think FL's push for massclaim comes from a genuine belief that it would be positive." Would you take that stance, or are you trying to say you think he's town without making a hard commitment?

I think the last several posts by FL are significantly more likely to be town-indicative than anything he's posted so far this game, I don't buy that scum!FL has that type of attitude towards a game like this, especially in a world where DEB is also scum.

~ Poison Ivy

You say that right before he hamfistedly accuses everyone voting him of being scum

This is exactly how town!FL responded when he was almost mislynched in ND.

FL is obvtown here. He has shown a sincerity here that I have never seen him replicate as scum. His thought process is nuanced. I’m genuinely surprised that Mastina can’t see how 180 degrees different he is here than in RS.

~Harley

[Arkham Asylum]

I was also kinda expecting the "Whoopsy I didn't notice I was voting AA" at some point because the dumbtell was well set up

Just I'm pretty sure it's a faked dumbtell and if it wasn't I'd expect maybe some actual reflection on how his interactions with you might have contributed to people voting him aside from the whole massclaim bullshit in a fairly significant way

First of all, you’re wrong. Second, how does this serve a scum agenda?

~HQ

[Arkham Asylum]

Although on the other hand I probably shouldn't expect Boon to have awareness of his limitations like that?

Scum!FL would have found a scummy way to pivot from that. RC called FL one of the 5th best scumplayers on site in GS, so he’d be playing really horribly in a world where he is actually scum here.

~H

[Arkham Asylum]

Are you seriously back to doing wifom meta

"How does this serve a scum agenda" is not how you place boon

Why isn’t it? Why does scum!FL risk drawing all of the negative attention on himself and for what? to defend a dead slot? Scum!FL always has an extremely clear agenda and the fact that you can’t find one here, is because it doesn’t exist.

~H

[Arkham Asylum]

VOTE: Chemist1422

Mastina goes tomorrow unless she towns the hell up.

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

The guy does things as scum just to then say he wouldn't do them as scum

And accusing everyone on his wagon could well be out of both his playbooks
Hell, a lot of shit he does is out of both his playbooks which is why meta is so questionable here

But what I'm thinking is that something isn't adding up right in both his logic and the drive behind it and that's indicating to me that Boon is scum

You’re telling me I don’t know how to sort him? ISO him in No Deadlines and ISO him in Restless Spirits. This isn’t a good basis to read him.

~HQ

[Arkham Asylum]

no.

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

this 1v1 is stupid as shit and needs to stop

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

—

Skip to Next Vote Count

—

---

I think you're forgetting that jjh will literally out himself as scum before the end of the game if he is legitimately scum

he's not hard to read.

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

FTR I've played with scum!FL 3 times (1 being offsite and 1 that just finished where I was scum too) and never played with town!FL so admittedly I'm lacking perspective but I'm trying to do away with meta on this read

If he's town, convince me of genuine town motivation backing his statements somewhere

Convince me of actually scum motivation for anything he’s doing here and don’t tell me that doesn’t matter. If he was actually scum here, it wouldn’t really be that hard to find. Quote a few posts of his from RS and I’ll tell you

exactly

the scum motivation he had in that post. You don’t need a building to fall on you to see what he was doing in that game with his actual “WIFOM”.

~H

[Arkham Asylum]

I really wish I rolled scum this game

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

laughing my ass off at how badly town wants to lose rn

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

VOTE: FL

L-3

I think he’s pushing the agenda of PR!DEB with what he said early on about them being a PR or scum

Yeah this vote makes absolutely no sense. Because what scum agenda is this? How does this further a scum wincon? It doesn’t. I think Chemist is being lamisty and tryharding in this game and it’s way over the top and if anyone seriously going to bring up logical inconsistencies, his ISO is rife with them.

~Harley

[Arkham Asylum]

laughing my ass off at how badly town wants to lose rn

~ Poison Ivy

that's how I feel when people fight the mass claim

I've been doing just fine without it???????

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

I wouldn't be fighting a massclaim as scum because then I get to build a complete plan for how to get to endgame comfortably to maximize the potential abuse of the flipless system considering people seem to not be able to handle it

I'd bet town has methods of getting flip info and I'd bet anything they'd be dead before long if they were forced to claim

plus I never see towns play better when all the mechanical bs is on the table because... surprise surprise, people who are competent mechanical players can fake that type of play as scum very easily

it's a fucking waste and has very good odds of making things even worse for town, especially in a game where people are just going to latch on to it

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

—

Skip to Next Vote Count

—

---

laughing my ass off at how badly town wants to lose rn

~ Poison Ivy

that's how I feel when people fight the mass claim

I've been doing just fine without it???????

~ Poison Ivy

disagree. you still think jjh is town

wow

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

okay let me know when you two kiss and make up so we can start doing something productive ty

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

disagree. Mass claim hurts scum here. it focuses all on day play, which is what we should be doing and not having to rely on PR's to solve games for us

are you reading my posts

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

disagree. Mass claim hurts scum here. it focuses all on day play, which is what we should be doing and not having to rely on PR's to solve games for us

are you reading my posts

~ Poison Ivy

btw I'm not accepting yes as an answer to this

because if your answer to that post is "massclaim makes the focus on day play"

then you're either being extremely obtuse or you're straight up not reading my posts

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

Spoiler:

Because it’s not unlikely that I’m confbiasing and my reasoning doesn’t hold up, which would make it not deserving of a vote

Lol so that observation gave you *no* clue about their alignment, yet you mentioned it - why?

-

Pennywise

The Joker

It didn’t give me no clue

There’s a chance it does give me a clue, but the chance isn’t deserving of a vote

Makes it difficult for me to work without a read on them though and that's kinda annoying

We're locktown, let's proceed from there

-The Joker

Sure why not

I think whoever said second that the big hydras had a scum is probably a wolf here

Okay is there anybody who townreads ZZZX?

not I

That makes me slightly more confident DEB's role claim was fake, and that he's scum.

-TJ

can roll with this

not a lot of actual scumhunting going on rn, and I know I'm not helping

think scum are comfortable in this gamestate

VOTE: AA

science

wouldn't it be funny if the scumteam was just chickadee + chemist1422?

I happened to look at the VC and those two names were the ones that stuck out as the ones I didn't really feel like I had any direct reasons to townread???

~ Poison Ivy

really makes you think, doesn’t it

Chemist why is AA scum

That's what I'm trying to find out, hence the science wagon

I do think rn they're fluffing when fluffing shouldn't be happening so I'm willing to pressure them over it

864 and 871 make no sense with the other posts. His progression in reading our slot here makes no logical sense. His reponses to our posts clearly indicate he views our slot as genuinely solving, yet he claims we need to be “pressure voted” for “fluffing”. Town just does town things, scum want to beat it over your head that they’re allegedly doing town things.

~Harley

[Arkham Asylum]

focus on day play effectively making this a mountainous game which is easily solvable.

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

you just figured out what I've been doing since the start of the game FL

and I don't need a massclaim to do that

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

and lo and behold

I've pushed a solve earlier today, like 50 pages ago by now since it got buried in all this nonsensical crap

why do you need a MASSCLAIM to just judge people by how they're playing

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

literally THE ONLY reason to massclaim on day two after a very probably scum lynch

is to keep the option of solving the game by mechanics open

there is literally no day play advantage to massclaiming because mechanics are a ~D I S T R A C T I O N~ to scumhunt with

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

@Mastina - if you're town here, you town read me when i was scum, and now you're scum reading me when I'm town. please see it

She read you correctly in RS, that’s what I can’t figure out.

~HQ

[Arkham Asylum]

laughing my ass off at how badly town wants to lose rn

~ Poison Ivy

that's how I feel when people fight the mass claim

I've been doing just fine without it???????

~ Poison Ivy

disagree. you still think jjh is town

He could be pushing you and be bad town. The tell is does he actually believe what he’s saying? Chemist doesn’t look like his reads are beyond surfacey, when they don’t entirely contradict themselves from post to post.

~H

[Arkham Asylum]

tbh I'm mostly just upset at this game because I've been trying to revive it all day and nobody is really biting

and then it gets undercut by random bs

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

laughing my ass off at how badly town wants to lose rn

Wrong, there'd be no laughter from you--only sadness.

why

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

I've explained many times why I'm fully against a mass claim and you have yet to address it

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

literally THE ONLY reason to massclaim on day two after a very probably scum lynch

is to keep the option of solving the game by mechanics open

there is literally no day play advantage to massclaiming because mechanics are a ~D I S T R A C T I O N~ to scumhunt with

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

Mastina

I'm not comfortable asking for sheep atm since I know at least one of my hydra partners is not going to be very happy with me rn

and
like

really all I want is thoughts

80% of the game has had mostly flat contributions to the game and it gives me so little to work with in getting town to unify anywhere

I don't want to do it by just overpowering everybody because that's very temporary and town will just go right back to being apathetic and not sure what to do if this slot happens to die sooner rather than later

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

I'm going to start completely ignoring you if you keep trolling fl

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

FLs back in the lynch list

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

What do you think of Pine lately boon?

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

Spoiler:

VOTE: FL

over it

let me be one of the vengeful's and hopefully i can spite from the dead

im killing AA when I go down

i need a new mislynch on record anyways

UNVOTE: FL

I was done here but Egix and Bujaber brought me back

Wtf are you doing here FL? You should know Poison Ivy always hard pushes anything that makes her suspicious. We’re not even freaking voting you, nor are any of us in favour of your lynch so fucking chill!

And why would you want to gamethrow just to spite us? Is that fair after I hard defended you like that?

Btw, Mastina’s town.

[Arkham Asylum]

Hey will catch up soon. We should probably consolidate I'm not big on either wagon but I'll go with consensus would prefer Egix or Binary iirc.

I think Egix’ ISO seems really townie. Unlike Chemist, his reads and thought progression don’t seem forced or illogical in anyway, so tl on that slot for me.

~Harley

[Arkham Asylum]

BS has 0 days, 22 hours, 4 minutes to stop being bad because I think they're too smart to actually believe the rubbish they've been spewing in the last two pages before I just assume they're S/S with Chicka and were waiting for the focus to be off her.

There still being bad only change here is that Chick obvtowned.

[Arkham Asylum]

Spoiler:

I'm a twinkle little Mermaid girl
waiting for a honey man
de-dup-i-dip-i sing a song
love me, take me there

I'm a twinkle little mermaid girl
Oh, I'm in a heavenly world
de-dup-i-dip-i call my name
de-dup-i-dip-i hold me long

I lived in an ocean, a coral palace.
Grown up in comfort, sweet princess.
Sugar and spices and all that's nice,
The missing ingredient was just your presence.

One day, a witch gave me lovely legs
to come up to your side.
I know this dreamy world's a fairytale.
But could you kiss me here?

I'm a twinkle little Mermaid girl
waiting for a honey man
de-dup-i-dip-i sing a song
love me, take me there

I'm a twinkle little mermaid girl
Oh, I'm in a heavenly world
de-dup-i-dip-i call my name
de-dup-i-dip-i hold me long

Bubbles sparkle and disappear into the deep blue sea
I know my life is a sad fairytale.
So could you wipe my tears?

I'm a twinkle little Mermaid girl
waiting for a honey man
de-dup-i-dip-i sing a song
love me, take me there

I'm a twinkle little mermaid girl
Oh, I'm in a heavenly world
de-dup-i-dip-i call my name
de-dup-i-dip-i hold me long

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

VOTE: Pine

Who wants to dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

Here’s how you know if I’m scum: if I look Towny, be suspicious.

Well you definitely do look townie in this game. Are you suggesting we should sr you for it?

~HQ

[Arkham Asylum]

this game is really something isn't it

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

VOTE: Binary Star

rereading iso I find a lot I dislike in this slot, not sure it's waaay scummier than pine/chickadee/chick-fil-a but sometimes you gotta eat your chicken not just bake it

also need to kinda start consolidating on something that isn't a townread i.e. mastina

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

Between all current wagons, my lynch preference is
mastina > Pine > BStar ~= Leaf > Asylum

Yeaaaah, not sure I like this.

"I'll vote any of these wagons if you give me a pretext to!"

dude

there's two days left on the deadline

that's actually townie

Good post

No, it isn’t. “I’ll lynch any of these five people” is not Towny. It’s opportunistic.

Scummy

BS and AA, can you consolidate on Mastina so i don’t get mislynched?

Bad post

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

I will compromise on Mastina. While I don't have a strong SR, she's a difficult read and it's better to be sure.

VOTE: Mastina

(<3)

but... you won't be sure?

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

Let's CFD chickadee! Whooooo hooooo!

VOTE: chickadee

Gogogogogogo

-Kat

P.s. would also do pine

[Arkham Asylum]

Who's ready for some AtE?

"If y'all lynch mastina here you're dumbasses"

There we go solid dose of ate tho

Really tho we're not doing her today or any day

VOTE: binary I don't even love this but not mastin mmmmkay?

-kat

[Arkham Asylum]

Problem I'm having with Boon is he's saying 3 scummy things for every townie thing he says. But he has said townie things, which is generally more townie things than he says in a scum game. If that makes sense. But yeah he has spewed a lot of dumb stuff this dayphase and it's legitimately distracting me. I still don't think he's today's lynch though.

I'd say I'm masons with JJH but I'm not mastina



Pine CFD isn't off limits, might take that over a chemist lynch even though I think my chemist read is not hydra-consensus... in fact I think Harley is fine with Chemist and Poison Ivy is fine with Chemist if my PT notes are up to date. So if we need to do chemist we can but, Katwoman isn't super in love with Chemist going today. In fact Harley specifically wanted Chemist over Pine ughh... annoying having Harley be out of town at EoD.

Right now we all agree we don't want mastina to be today's lynch though. BS is fine. Chemist is fine for several of our heads. Pine is fine for some of our heads. Poison Ivy started townreading Chickadee but most of our heads are still okay with that too. Obviously one is town out of that group.

We do however need a lynch in the next 12 hours and I'm not okay with it being mastina. If we can't get a better lynch than Binary Star, then we should lynch Binary Star.

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

Boon why is Chemist better than BS for today if he is?

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

It's a slightly racist shorthand for 'end of day speedwagon'

'chinese fire drill'

[Arkham Asylum]

+I could see {Pine, Chemist, Cheeky, chicks} being a solve

Not sure I remember the context here but how many of these (not including yourself) do you think could be scum rn?

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

Vote someone that isn't mastina

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

Vote BS.

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

Dann come back to BS

Boon go BS

Egix, Chemist, someone please log on and vote BS

EZ we got this

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

what do you townread in bs?

[Arkham Asylum]

Boon there's less than a day left wtf are you talking about prodging

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

OK we can do this if he doesn't want to get on board with a non asinine compromise

[Arkham Asylum]

You can't just keep jerking around and openly advocating scum agenda bullshit, if this is what we're going to see from you tomorrow then you just go today

[Arkham Asylum]

You are voting town right now and you've really exhausted my patience with your play for this dayphase. Saying you're going to jerk around with a quasi vanity wagon with 10 hours left is dumb.

Be less useless or be today's compromise lynch, it's your choice

[Arkham Asylum]

OK then join us on Boon he's decided he's not going to be useful this game

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

Honestly I still think Egix is town but that proposed plan was so fucking stupid I am rapidly losing my ability to care about this game.

Boon has decided to play to scum wincon and that he is why he is being lynched. We are not ressing someone to test your mech, Egix.

[Arkham Asylum]

I’ve done the most in this game. Tried game solve.

So far today you've tunneled town, proposed a massclaim on day 2, and then proposed wasting town's lynch.

You've definitely done things today and absolutely none of them have been in the interests of town's wincon.

[Arkham Asylum]

Btw I've given up on this game

Find some other way to try to motivate yourselves

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

Frankly I think anyone who posts in this thread with anything other than a vote on Boon is scumclaiming.

He absolutely has to go and if Egix resses him he is getting lynched tomorrow. In case our position there was unclear, Boon is getting lynched and then he is staying dead.

Unsigned posts on this page are Kat btw.

[Arkham Asylum]

Happy with you? Yes. Happy about this game? No.

[Arkham Asylum]

Pagetop

[Arkham Asylum]

Dann is not what I thought he was so now we do go through with mass.

Mastina can start given she wants to keep playing bad

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

I opposed it yesterday since I thought dann was actually babysitter and that he was playing into a quasi vig.

I guess that was incorrect. Hmm.

I don't exactly understand what was up with deb now tbh

-kat

[Arkham Asylum]

Scum informed there was a doctor and he was coached to claim doctor enabler?

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

VOTE: Turin Turambar
We're town.

-The Joker

[Arkham Asylum]

I considered that, but if you have reasons to trust your source, you're scum

[Arkham Asylum]

We're massclaiming anyway, Nico, so if you're claiming a hood then say who you're in a hood with and what they say they have.

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

Boon is just salty lol

So what's your role, ghost PT person or something?

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

You should also say who the other person is with you in the PT

[Arkham Asylum]

Which night did he claim to get the guilty on?

[Arkham Asylum]

Yeah, but scum can say 'I am town' too and get away with it, so give me one good reason why you shouldn't be lynched.

A guilty is a guilty, no matter how many times you say 'I am town'.

Sure, I'll give you an excellent reason - Flavor is scum?

[Arkham Asylum]

I am tired o people saying 'I am town' and expecting to be believed instantly without any objections and say that anyone who doubts their towniness is either dumb or scum. Like, what do expect? Your word is not law and you saying you're town doesn't make so, so stop pretending it does. >.>

Because it's blatantly OBVIOUS we're town

1. DEB is essentially outed scum at this point, and our slot was the first one to directly push them
2. DEB is outed scum, and we didn't try to prove it ourselves, Binary Star and Dannflor (I think???) did that for us; unless you think we're scum with Binary Star, then what does that bus achieve for us
3. Flavor Leaf is known for fakeclaiming random bullshit every game, I'd be very wary about any guilties he ever puts out
4. It's not surprising that he'd randomly have a guilty result on the slot that pushed him to a lynch for being a distraction to the game, that's not convenient in the slightest

This slot has been at the forefront for getting people to actually contribute to the game rather than apathy out
This slot has been blatantly obvious town to anyone paying any attention because there's zero reason for us to start the DEB wagon in the first place in a game where it's hilariously easy to abuse the lack of info for a free win

FL trying to push a guilty on us is blatantly fake and all I can presume is that he's pushing that because he's upset that we pushed him for a lynch at deadline yesterday, which is whatever. We're 100% dying tonight regardless so it really doesn't matter, but use your brain before blindly believing a guilty that is a hilariously obvious fake just by what's in the thread

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

Especially when they end up being scum in the end. I've had an experience with scum player behaving exactly like you do. Therefore, I am sorry if I am inclined to believe his guilty over your word alone. :3

you're believing in a player that is INFAMOUS for claiming bullshit every game

I'm not going to be taking you at all seriously if you genuinely believe that

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

People who expect everyone and their mother and their dog to townread them immediately just because they say 'I am town' and insta vote people who don't like you just did make me so mad. :c

ftr this is exactly what FL did this game

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

Anyway, finish your claim. Who else are you in a hood with?

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

People who expect everyone and their mother and their dog to townread them immediately just because they say 'I am town' and insta vote people who don't like you just did make me so mad. :c

ftr this is exactly what FL did this game

~ Poison Ivy

You're the one saying 'I am town' and expecting everyone to insta-believe you.

ok don't engage with my points showing why we're town and just dismiss it as "us saying that we're town"

enjoy your town loss!

~ Poison Ivy

[Arkham Asylum]

UNVOTE:

Now we're not omgusing you.

Now finish your claim please thanks.

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

So that's the full extent of your role then, access to the dead thread? What's your role name?

What has DEB said in the dead thread since you joined it?

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

That's fine, mastina would be my preference for next in the massclaim order.

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

VOTE: mastina.

It's been a day; claim already

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

VOTE: pine.

You can claim first instead if you want Pine

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

Ok then we're not massclaiming, only you are claiming now Pine.

[Arkham Asylum]

Ok so you would rather just get lynched today?

You have played with boon before

You are not handicapped at mafia

Given those two facts, believing boon had a cop guilty on us should be basically impossible

[Arkham Asylum]

I'm trying to reconcile the level of dumb necessary for you to make that vote with the fact that you are not stupid

[Arkham Asylum]

While there are additional liabilities to n this game due to lack of flip, I don’t see any reason to think scum would wildly risk a blatant false claim, especially with the likelihood that someone has a coroner-type role and could reveal the bluff

Except if that scum's already lynched, the risk reduces greatly.
If FL's scum, what does he *lose* even if someone verifies it?

Turin, it definitely isn't impossible. Our position is that it's highly improbable.
Do you agree that Dann is

very very very

likely town?
He claimed to protect us N1. We have a claimed doc enabler

and

backup enabler.
With the No Kill, it's very likely that we were targeted for the kill, yeah? This should point to us being town.

If that doesn't convince you, simply have a look at our ISO.
It's very difficult for a 5-headed hydra to get townread as scum.
The way we've been playing would be nearly impossible to fake as scum. This should point to us being town.

-The Joker

[Arkham Asylum]

Pine, "Guilty is Guilty is Guilty" except it's an unverifiable guilty that might as well be bullshit; what leads you to believe the guilty?
Egix, please don't resurrect Flavor Leaf on the basis of his cop claim - there must be a mortician in this game who should be able to verify we're town, in case we're lynched today.

-The Joker

[Arkham Asylum]

If that's a real guilty I'm a backup doctor enabler

"If that's screaming, I'm a fly"

I thought it was a sarcastic jab too, but both the Dann kill + No kill N1 when he claimed to protect us make sense with a backup enabler, so I think he meant it in the sense of "If that's a real guilty, here's my claim, it's backup doc enabler"

-The Joker

[Arkham Asylum]

And you know what I'd say? I'd say that you are making convoluted leaps instead of embracing the simplest explanation. Do you doubt every damn cop guilty that comes your way? Cos in every game I've played, people ignored the cop guilty and it bit them in the ass.

The source and context of such claims are also important.
Flavor Leaf is known to make fakeclaims as town.
Dead scum claiming cop is a virtually risk-free strategy with a great payoff.
If town buys that, we get lynched; FL gets resurrected.

I wouldn't doubt

every

cop guilty that comes my way, but this particular "guilty" is extremely fishy, yeah?

-The Joker

[Arkham Asylum]

Guilty

Is

Guilty

Is

Guilty

Your reflexive OMGUS is all the surety I require.

OK Pine.

Let's consider the facts.

A) You voted Boon yesterday, which implies that at some point you read his posts.

B) If you read his posts, you know there's no chance in hell he had a guilty on us from days 1 or 2

C) This is Boon in a game called "Vengeful Ghosts" -- I would be shocked if he didn't claim a guilty in the graveyard as either alignment regardless of his rolecard

D) The nightkilled doctor claimed a save on us

E) You have played with Boon before

F) You are not an idiot

So are you scum or do you just have amnesia about the entire preceeding game?

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

I mean, you can defend them all you like, but they'd have to stoop down to my level in order to do that as town.....

Because to believe the guilty in the first place, you need to throw away a lot of convincing evidence that shows it's fake.
I voted you because I thought you were claiming the guilty was yours - thus putting us in a direct 1v1 anyway.
Krazy voted Pine because either Pine -- who's smart enough to know not to trust that guilty and push our lynch right away -- is either playing dumb, or is scum trying to push a crazy agenda. I'm inclined towards the latter.

Besides, why would this be the smartest move for scum!us?

-The Joker

[Arkham Asylum]

and given their jabs at my level of play, it's unlikely they ever would. Ergo, the guilty is real and they're just scum.

Can you quote my jabs at your play, Turin?
I was the one who placed the vote on you.
Have I ever played with you? My main is Auro.

Are you saying town!us wouldn't vote you if we thought you claimed a guilty on us?
What would town!us do?

-The Joker

[Arkham Asylum]

Egix, it's pretty possible DEB was scum and a doctor enabler.
If there's an actual town cop, they should claim with N1/N2 results.

-The Joker

[Arkham Asylum]

Of course I'd say the guilty is a load of rubbish, since I'm town.
The first thing scum would do is to try explaining the guilty or whatever.

Of course I'd win a 1v1 against you if you were scum

-The Joker

[Arkham Asylum]

And the vote on you wasn't an OMGUS, technically. An OMGUS would imply you have bad reasons for voting us. It's not that you "suck" for claiming a guilty on us, you're scum

-The Joker

[Arkham Asylum]

Then I wouldn't be confident in winning a 1v1.
So, I'd take the 1v1 with confidence if I'm town. Which is what I did. Ergo, I'm town.

To the rest of town, we've laid down a lot of evidence for the guilty being bullshit and our being town. I'm inclined to believe that Turin genuinely doesn't understand what we said over her being scum pushing this.

I also think Pine is much likelier scum for pushing this. At the moment, I'd be happy with a Pine lynch.

-The Joker

[Arkham Asylum]

Either people will believe everything other people say - including the guilty - or they won't believe anything others say - including your repeated sayings that you're town. Pick one.

Believe the overwhelming evidence we're town.
Believe the empirical likelihood that FL bullshits as either alignment.

You don't have any problem with the evidence we presented beyond "it's possible", yeah?

-The Joker

[Arkham Asylum]

Will be ignoring Turin's posts beyond this.
Rest of town should continue the claims. If my slot hasn't yet, VT.

-The Joker

[Arkham Asylum]

VOTE: Binary Star

Binary Star you can claim next.

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

OK, we're not doing a massclaim. Only you are claiming because you are now today's lynch otherwise.

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

If town wants to be bad and ignore it, I'm totally down to eat a mislynch without claiming because my patience with this game is just about exhausted. Don't expect much talking from me while AA is still alive.

OK you are a hydra of 3+ heads, at least one of which is relatively regular player, and right now you are looking at "Boon said stuff in the dead thread" and saying you're going to stop playing until "Boon said stuff in the dead thread" is resolved?

And to be clear, your patience with this game is exhausted?

Do you want to be regarded as playing as bad as fucking NicoRobin? Because I have ideas about at least a few of your heads and if that's how badly you want to play this game then, hot shit have I been overvaluing your townplay if you're town.

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

You can't push through a lynch alone. There's a lot of heat against you right now. You can't just keep saying "You're the only one to claim, GO! Or die!"

Interestingly enough this is literally exactly what happened when I decided Boon could go, though.

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

It's pretty obvious who I am and the vast majority of posts in this game have been me. And you can drop 3+ heads thing, I've been solo here for quite some time. Sucks to be flaked on again tbh.

OK well can you just claim your main then so I can decide whether it is plausible for you to fucking sheep Yume believing Boon while he's shitposting in the deadthread? Because there's 0% chance one of your other heads would do that as town I'm pretty sure.

[Arkham Asylum]

Did Boon retract the guilty or what does that post mean exactly?

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

I don't really get how anyone could not TR AA

I did, but then they did wildly scummy shit.

Scum can fake being Town for a while, but when a TR starts acting really scummy, you don't ignore it.

So Pine, are you actually being a WOAT here or just scum?

[Arkham Asylum]

Arkham Asylum -- VT
Pine -- VT
NerfedBuj-slot -- Dead Thread Viewer
Egix96 -- Resurrect but not scum kills

--- Egix's role sounds strong on paper but really seems like garbage so if that's a big part of town power I'm going to be super disappointed with this design
Pine's VT claim is probably fine
Buj-slot's dead thread viewer seems town so far but we might need a clearer sense of setup

Chickadee -- need claim
Chemist1422 -- need claim
mastina -- need claim
jjh927 -- need claim
Binary Star -- need claim
CheekyTeeky -- need claim

Dead
Flavor Leaf -- VT
Dannflor -- Doctor with claimed save
DEB -- Claimed doctor enabler

Right now I'm thinking probably only one of the people who bought boon's fake guilty is scum at most, it's possible 0 but meh

Turin idk, she's easily readable over multiple days, coming in with a fake guilty from the dead thread is... I don't know how else I'd expect her to react to that and the way she played this is basically the same as to how she played boondom menace

I dislike how much Pine is making everything about personality this game; honestly I think me vs boon yesterday was super obviously TvT and I was kinda baffled on how much steam that picked up compared to the BS push which was much, much better. Then again I don't really know if he goes heavy AtE as scum but his play lately has been jarringly bad, particularly when compared to some of his recent town games where he was fairly analytical and controlled.

BS I guess is an imploded hydra, which frankly is usually not a great sign. I say that though as someone who has solo carried two imploded hydras in the last few months so it definitely can happen. Still I think the push on our slot lately is just bad. It's been hiding behind mech softs basically the entire game and I'm not sure what it still wants to claim after the doc flip. BS lynch should have gone through yesterday and it would have if Boon didn't start being a massive pain in my butt in the last day.

At least one out of BS and Pine is town but until they actually town up and start playing this game in a way that doesn't perpetuate the disastrous gamestate of yesterday I'm going to treat them like scum because my patience with braindead town is totally gone by this point. Poison Ivy has already written this game off as unwinnable for town due to the abysmal play we've been seeing and I'm very close to joining her. If Auro hadn't insisted he wanted to play it out, I definitely would have already bailed on this shitshow.

I think most of the current claims are town. Of the dead, only DEB seems likely scum.

Given the scum know the fakeguilty is a fakeguilty it wouldn't surprise me if they just didn't really engage in it early here since they would know it would be likely to be retracted relatively early. Still they might like to see it develop. Turin's impulse to scumread people defending my slot is actually intuitive, but I disagree since I think jjh is likely town, and Chickadee was concerning me most of day 1 but what she's been saying here has been pretty reasonable and rational and that's making it a lot harder to see her as scum. Not impossible but given how bad this game is it would surprise me.

There is definitely scum inside mastina, chemist, and Cheeky and we should continue to finish mass claim.

mastina I think is of the three the most likely town, but she needs to stop playing like a jester if she wants any of the town left in the game to continue caring about the game. And playing like a half-jester is within her scumrange so her playing up becoming extreme mislynch bait in no way clears her. I just think she has said certain things that strongly spew her town. Unless the scum team is just three goons? Actually her one comment that she thought it was mountainous would maybe make sense if the scum team was just goons. So worth still thinking about but still thinking town.

Chemist I liked for town on page 1 and have kinda pushed my hydra heads from diving but he 's no more town here than he usually is, and unfortunately he never reads as obvtown to me.

Cheeky I have generally liked the reads of, but since EICN this just makes me think she's scum since I strongly mindmelded with her when she was scum in that game.

So we can continue to play around BS refusing to claim; I don't care if we just lynch the slot frankly. But only one of the two people still on us is scum at most and the rest of the town should not pause the massclaim just because boon decided he wanted to justify his mislynch yesterday retroactively.

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

I think Harley is either back or close to being back so there may be scattered unsigned posts by her

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

Chickadee -- need claim

ebwop -- this is VT claim from day 1, forgot about that

[Arkham Asylum]

I'm feeling a DEB/FL/Turin or Pine team based on this silliness after a pretty lame push at pseudo-confirmed town.

Isn't Binary Star worse?

I think Egix is town.

-The Joker

[Arkham Asylum]

Also how is it my fault I'm mindmelding with you when my reads have been my own? I don't feel like I've sheeped you at all.

It's not actually a good reason to scumread you, it's just a reason I think we need more information to solve this game. As much as I want to powerlynch one out of pine and bs since scum know the guilty is fake it is sooightly surprising they would be fast to push it.

We know that deb was not telling the truth about his role. Ideally that makes him scum.

-kat

[Arkham Asylum]

Will be ignoring Turin's posts beyond this.
Rest of town should continue the claims. If my slot hasn't yet, VT.

-The Joker

That's what they all say, as scum. The only slot which will be given a pass for behaving this way is Wisdom for being Wisdom, and you're not Wisdom, so thanks for scumclaiming.

We in dead thread agreed to lynch everyone except AA at some point.

Consider the guilty retracted.

VOTE: jjh

It means that I am vengeance. I am the fire in the night. And I am punishing everyone who blindly believes you are town by letting you endgame. And

then I'll force them to admit they were wrong, and hopefully insert some wisdom into their stupid heads to use in future games.

Thanks for the entertainment.

Can I frame this post-game, plz?

I am actually far more suspicious of players like BS and Pine, who actually read the interactions between us and FL, which proved there was no fake guilty. Does a player who has a real guilty on another beg them to save them from being mislynched, the way FL did? There is absolutely no justifiable basis for anyone who read that to seriously believe FL had a real guilty on us.

I seriously cannot believe Pine and BS are this bad.

[Arkham Asylum]

Arkham Asylum -- VT
NerfedBuj-slot -- Dead Thread Viewer
Egix96 -- Resurrect but not scum kills
mastina -- VT

Pine -- VT
Chickadee -- VT
Chemist1422 -- VT
CheekyTeeky -- VT

jjh927 -- need claim
Binary Star -- need claim

Dead
Flavor Leaf -- VT
Dannflor -- Doctor with claimed save
DEB -- Claimed doctor enabler

I think based on pure setup spec at least one of the VT claims is scum, town needs more power than just Egix's nonsense.

Whether Egix dies tonight or not probably hinges on BS and jjh, both of which... should? be PR/non vanilla claims.

Mastina I want to treat as conftown, Egix I think is conftown off role, Buj slot is almost certainly town off role and setup, leaves us with probably? 1 scum already having claimed VT in addition to our hopeful conclusion that DEB was in fact scum.

-Kat

[Arkham Asylum]

Arkham Asylum -- VT
NerfedBuj-slot -- Dead Thread Viewer
Egix96 -- Resurrect but not scum kills
mastina -- VT

Pine -- VT

Chickadee -- VT
Chemist1422 -- VT
CheekyTeeky -- VT

jjh927 -- need claim
Binary Star -- need claim

Dead
Flavor Leaf -- VT
Dannflor -- Doctor with claimed save
DEB -- Claimed doctor enabler

I think based on pure setup spec at least one of the VT claims is scum, town needs more power than just Egix's nonsense.

Whether Egix dies tonight or not probably hinges on BS and jjh, both of which... should? be PR/non vanilla claims.

Mastina I want to treat as conftown, Egix I think is conftown off role, Buj slot is almost certainly town off role and

setup, leaves us with probably? 1 scum already having claimed VT

in addition to our hopeful conclusion that DEB was in fact scum.

-Kat

Mastina

I run a summer camp

We’re in season

I missed the clues that it was a fake guilty

However

AA’s response to getting pushed has been

Pure

Fucking

Scum

Eww

~H

[Arkham Asylum]

I’m starting to wonder if BS is really the best lynch now. Pine, acknowledging he missed clues wrt to fake guilty and not even considering re-evaluating, looks really really bad.

~H