Mini 2090 CYS: AtmosFEAR of Terrors

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VOTE: Plum

Something doesn't feel right here.

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go on

probably something about her posts

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ok but what gives you that feeling

49 seems pretty heavy-handed on wanting a vote to come out... 56 I can't tell if it's a good or bad post but it's a weird post.

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okay, why do you think its weird

it's literally just "gj" in response to a vote on her

On one hand, 49 makes that post make more sense... on the other hand, I'm confused about thinking about 56

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This is certainly an interesting turn of events...

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Merci, Madame!

Wow I missed 127...

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Merci, Madame!

@TL - got anything else for us, or just sideline stuff?

I think Alisae could be town... Katsuki seems pretty NAI

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can we not deathtunnel pine

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Are you offering an alternative course of action or a reason not to? Or just sidelining?

I know Pine is scummy but...

145 could potentially be a townslip

... though I'm not inclined to believe 119 since it has a bad limerick.

tl;dr pine is scummy but not to the point where I'd campaign for powerbanishing him

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I want to townread Alisae, but the deathtunneling of Pine (evident in 146) just makes me want to disagree with townreading Alisae.

Same applies to GreyICE, the post restriction sucks when it comes to scumcasing (evident in 217) but I still have to take the case with a crystal of salt

Katsuki is strange, but if I had to give a read, I'd say null!scumlean with 200 being the worst post (though I think it could be a meme)

230 at least looks good from a distance...

I agree with 222's sentiment, but that probably isn't a town-AI post

pedit: lurkers are probably not where the town is

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The last thing I want to do in this setup is give out townreads like they're candy.

If I end up TRing scum, it could be disastrous.

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The scum only needs one key to win.

A badly placed TR could end the game for us.

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pine's iso is just performance art

i'm just not sure what subgenre thereof

I would guess avant garde then

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I don't even about pine anymore...

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maybe not even odd

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I'm gonna bite the bullet and vote a good townread...

VOTE: implosion

Quality ISO, setup spec, and 317.

I could also go for hebi tbh

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VOTE: hebichan

hey if even implosion wants this, might as well

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I don't think NK15 has efforted even an iota of effort

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I'll provide a lead rist soon

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Wait, is hebi not a lyncher?

when did "hebi could possibly theoretically potentially be a lyncher I think" ever come up?

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katsuki really makes me paranoid...

everything can't be decided by powerlynching, that's not how town works

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my bad; I got hebi and katsuki mixed up somehow

I honestly think katsuki is just scum

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Merci, Madame!

We need to send Katsuki into the thunderdome, even if it kills me

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Katsuki needs to be put into the thunderdome

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Don't you need three other players to vote?

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I think my read list looks like this for now:

[Town]

implosion (setup spec and pushes ahoy)
Skygazer (quality ISO)
hebichan (townreading here, I can see good intentions here. May the green key secure the town win)
Alisae (the deathtunneling seems odd, but I think I still TR alisae, treat this as a townlean)
GreyICE (your limericks and non-post restricted posts were towny, townlean here)
MariaR (don't have much to work with here... uhhh... town?)
kuribo (uhh... hard null at best I guess)
Plum (scummy ISO)
Not Known 15 (zero effort means zero reason for me to townread you)
Katsuki (not the lyncher, therefore 9 times out of 10 is a scumlord. If this is the 10% universe, maybe this game is weirder than normal)

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how am i possibly your second strongest town read

your ISO looked quality to me, especially 375

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considering we want to thunderdome this team of lucky losers:

bottom read / strongest scumread
lurker
someone you'd cop as a cop
a townlean just in case the thunderdome is good

I'd probably guess the ideal thunderdome team is:

Katsuki, MariaR, kuribo, Alisae

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Further questions:
Why is post 375 a town-tell?
What are, exactly, the good intentions of hebichan and where are the posts these reads are based on?
Why do you townread Alisae in the first place, them being post-restricted to pictures very fast?
Why is "zero reasons to townread" lower than "scummy ISO"?
What exactly is scummy about Plum's ISO?
Why are the limericks and other post of GreyICE towny, in your opinion?
What are the conflicting signs that put kuribo at "hard null at best"?

1. I like the reads in 375, either way I'd say it's the best post from Skygazer's ISO
2. Besides from hebichan basically instantly getting the green key (from 386 being towny to a fault), 466, 213, and 487 don't seem scummy to me.
3. I thought Alisae's ISO before the post restriction was good, even with the post restriction I felt Alisae was efforting (even if it included deathtunneling pine)
4. Your ISO is significantly worse than Plum's
5. The weird push for votes is one thing, I still don't think Plum is looking out for the town
6. Most of GreyICE's limericks indicate reads, 239 is very off the wall but I don't see it being a scum thing. First actual post after the post restriction is 543, and I don't need to explain how that is towny
7. kuribo's ISO either doesn't ping me, or makes me think kuribo has good intentions but is scummy

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if you're voting to thunderdome me, which of these four categories apply to me?

bottom read / strongest scumread
lurker
someone you'd cop as a cop
a townlean just in case the thunderdome is good

just saying the ideal thunderdome is one player from each category

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actually that applies regardless of who you're voting

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VOTE: Katsuki

for the bottom read category

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Yeah... maybe 3 scumreads isn't ideal.

Instead of a lurker you can vote a town lean or strong TR if you want

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just saying the ideal thunderdome is one player from each category

why are you so goddamn confident of this

I thought it was a good idea, was feeling the game might have bad things in it.

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yeah, if one scum has the right key... the scumlords win

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Katuski you're not a lyncher

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should I answer NK15's question?

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should I answer NK15's question?

like r u actually asking us this srsly?

yeah...

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you know what screw it...

it's very clear that question doesn't deserve an answer.

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NK15's shade on implosion is so toothless it practically makes implosion untouchable

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VOTE: Not Known 15

Scumread to thunderdome

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I agree with everything kurbio is saying

but also how does TL need to seek the opinions of others as to whether he needs to answer a question like this???

because NK15's question isn't a threat to me or implosion at all, though me answering is negligibly helpful to town.

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you know what screw it...

it's very clear that question doesn't deserve an answer.

Not true. I also requested you answer. You might have missed it. But please do.

not really, though you probably forgot the quote of that question in 609 is a naked quote

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Yeah fuck it I think he should answer


I mean I don't actually care about the answer


But I'm willing to scream at him for fifteen pages about it if necessary

Not really out of wanting to know but more because I think it would be amusing

It's slightly more beneficial to the town to do your setup spec out in the open, so the rest of the town can know it... that's the reasoning I got.

It means the other townies don't have to setup spec as hard as normal.

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Actually, I didn't forget that. Don't know why you made that assumption. Any reason you didn't respond at the time?

I probably missed that, or missed that you wanted me to respond.

Okay now sorry to ask, but does this hold true when the setup spec isn't. Like when it isn't setup spec.

If it's not setup spec it's pretty obvious it's hollow and not worth townreading over... though 51/52 is setup spec and you can't tell me it isn't.

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though 51/52 is setup spec and you can't tell me it isn't.

it isn't.

... why would you attack a townread on you?

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why is the sun blue.

The sun isn't hot enough to be blue.

pedit: okay, 443 is still setup spec so my townread stands

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NEED VC

we still have quite a few time units before the thunderdome gets locked in... we can wait for the VC

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IDK if lexi anticipated high activity messing with her setup but it'd be nice if we had fast forward buttons XD

says the one who wants every lynch to be a turbolynch

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I think we can play the game without being blood-frenzied demons

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I think we can play the game without being blood-frenzied demons

how


like legit question

Think about things, discuss your feelings and emotions, make plans, and don't make rash decisions like powerlynching.

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And the most important thing of not acting like blood-frenzied demons: We have time units, and we should not be afraid to use them

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3 time units before the thunderdome gets locked in...

I don't know why NK15 isn't in yet...

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I haven't voted Pine...

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Wait, that makes zero sense. There's no RVS phase in this game, because there's no real reason to have one. Outside of initial "hi here we are" crap, you should have some basic scumreads just from the player list. Did you think Plum would pick scum? Had you played with any of these players before? Did you have any thoughts on who might have picked scum?

I have not played with Plum before. 68 explains my vote on Plum, and I didn't move due to me thinking Pine was being deathtunneled.

I've played with Gamma Emerald, Skygazer, and MariaR before... They don't strike me as scum pickers.

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okay I've not played with Pine before so I thought he was being deathtunneled.

If he's indeed a scum picker... then yeah that's a good reason to banish him. Pine already was being scummy but the deathtunnel was off-putting.

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okay I've not played with Pine before so I thought he was being deathtunneled.

If he's indeed a scum picker... then yeah that's a good reason to banish him. Pine already was being scummy but the deathtunnel was off-putting.

what does deathtunneling or powerlynching even mean to you

Deathtunneling is when you try to honestly eliminate someone regardless of any reasons to think that player could be town.

powerlynching is lynching very fast and powerfully, Pine's lynch would be a powerlynch because it was very fast and there was no stopping that wagon.

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So it didn’t occur to you to think “hey, maybe there is a REASON that Pine was being voted, I should try to figure out what that was, or ask someone who might know?” Like, at all?

apparently not

either way that lynch was fast

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Deathtunneling is when you try to honestly eliminate someone regardless of any reasons to think that player could be town.

No, deathtunneling is when your entire purpose for being is to lynch that player and nothing they say or do can ever convince you they're town. It isn't that you don't care if they're town, you're so convinced they're scum that their death is the only thing that will slake your thirst.

Imagine you're speeding along in a murder car, and you're chasing some scumfuck, and you're at point A, with their death being point B.

No matter how many detours you come to, or whatever evasive maneuvers that scum Fuck makes, you're still right behind him because you're chasing him through a tunnel, and the only way to get out of that tunnel is to beat him to death with your own two hands.

That's a death tunnel.

Yeah, that's what I was trying (but failing) to go for.

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the honest part being you honestly believe the player is scum, or even scum even if they're town.

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My chips are on town!Pine

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My chips are on town!Pine

Why?

The interaction post-hammer feels townie, 335 and360 are good posts.

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Have you played with Pine before?

I have not played with Pine before.

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Is there much I need to really catch up on or did we just talk about who to throw in again

kuribo called you a lurkaderp, GreyICE thinks I'm scum for not voting Pine and thinking Pine is probably town, and Katsuki is fine with the current votes.

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I'd be interested in hearing why that makes you scum. Mostly because I think you're scum for other reasons.
Also yes, I probably should be a lurkaderp if I was V/LA for 3 days

You can read 736 and 749 then

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Congrats I am confirmed town

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look despite pine being scummy (and me never having played with pine so idk if pine is a scum picker) I still think pine was town

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and yeah I'd rather self-vote to lynch than townread NK15 right now

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NK15's push on me rings so hollow I might as well be completely ignoring it or treating it as a meme

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ME + KURIBO DREAM SCUMTEAM HERE APPARENTLY

... what even is this supposed to mean?!

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IT MEANS IM CLAIMING SCUM WITH KURIBOP

... so that's why you want every lynch to be a powerlynch... You want the Town to lose the Well of Fears

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Now we have a reason to be blood-frenzied demons... we have scum we need to get rid of for the sake of the town

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if that's the case the game is more bastard than I thought

regardless the votes should be fine at least according to Katsuki

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Merci Madame!

give alisae the key for time's sake

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TL, how do you think we should play this game?

ask implosion because he's the towniest and I don't think implosion has an agenda in any of this yellow key shenanigans.

if nothing else, make sure you or implo gets the key.

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and since I don't think implo needs the yellow key, if I had to choose Alisae would be the obvious choice.

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who would you try to banish?

GreyICE.

I'm not banishing myself as that would be stupid, if I want you to have the key I don't want to banish you, and dayvigging implosion is a scumclaim.

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just to make it clear... if anyone even thinks about banishing implosion... they need to taste collapsed star remnants.

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I'd be happier with banishing GreyICE.

I mean do you think 749 is the mark of town?

That being said I'm not a blood-frenzied demon, so I'd like to hear GreyICE's thoughts on who should vote what.

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I mean implosion having the key is good, but I'd rather have the key where it counts.

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and since I don't think implo needs the yellow key,

Why do you think this, again?

for some reason I thought you were a green key (you aren't, 403 backs that up), but I was still thinking you aren't in need of the yellow key either.

405 is probably the best supporting post for me saying you don't need the yellow key beyond the Town wincon.

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I'd appreciate if TL can also say how he's going to vote. Forgot we have so little time.

I just realized the other theoretical risk which is if the person we think will go for the key actually goes for safety all four of us could be banished, but of course that probably would benefit some third party with a weird win condition more than scum.

Given that (1) GI can confirm his ability and (2) i'm sure there are other ways to swap keys around if he doesn't/if he turns out to be scum who knows the yellow key is real/a third party who needs it for something, i'm in principal fine with him taking it conditional on him immediately swapping it to a townread that isn't solely decided by him (i'd be fine w/ plum if not me). There's some paranoia that he's a third party with some weird win condition like "you must hold at least x keys at various points" or something like that. But the ability to swap the yellow key for a different key is something I can believe would be put on a town role.

I think I'm voting safety, though I'm waiting for the plan.

If nothing else, safety is my vote.

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I don't have much incentive to go for key seeing Alisae's plan is to banish me regardless of what happens...

Come to think of it Alisae might be the scum here.

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If I get control of the banish, I'm asking implosion on which one of Alisae or Grey to banish.

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If GI doesn't show up until deadline then I'll go for the key to guarantee we don't all get banished. I should be online around deadline.

sounds good, I can safety then

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implosion can't be banished so *shrug*

we should force a claim before banish tbh

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o yeah i forgot to mention i'm pretty sure i had a dream last night where tl died and his death caused a town win because all scum were dead and i was really confused bc (1) that makes no sense (2) not the town win condition and (3) that really doesn't make any sense

that said dreams don't lie so i guess tl has to be scum

I'm town though. Purple is the key that powers me up.

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I'm probably going to be banishing you.

Anything else you wanna claim before that?

I have an ability where I can reflexively snatch keys from people who target me.

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I also have an unused key cop ability.

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As in, target a player, learn if they have a key?

nah, just check if a key is real or not.

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I am not holding a key, also why do you want to lynch town?

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I am not holding a key, also why do you want to lynch town?

I don't particularly want to lynch town


I just don't care if town gets lynched

ok you're defo not town, you're either scum or 3P

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it's not my fault you claimed third-party kuribo

I mean how is 944 ever a town claim

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You wanna uh, use that key cop before you maybe get banished, then???

I'd love to but idk.

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or maybe kuribo simply trolled and really is 3p this game but all that matters in the end is that he's not mafia

I copped him last day and got the results (not mafia)

thanks for confirming kuribo is 3P and not scum...

it's still better to banish 3P than town though.

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I may fullclaim soon if need be, I claimed my abilities already.

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I'd love to but idk.

why not

I'm not holding a key.

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or maybe kuribo simply trolled and really is 3p this game but all that matters in the end is that he's not mafia

I copped him last day and got the results (not mafia)

thanks for confirming kuribo is 3P and not scum...

it's still better to banish 3P than town though.

Thanks for twisting my words scumfuck

well I was pretty sure kuribo wasn't town so... not town + not scum = third party

your cop check was "not scum"

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ya but then we consider the fact that I have many more years of proven experience reading Kuribo with an exceptionally high degree of accuracy so I'm sure you'll excuse me when I say that your thoughts on the matter can be dismissed entirely even excluding the fact that you're scum

I can't help but feel kuribo's claim isn't town...

but your green check makes it more likely kuribo is town (and thus worth red keying and not banishing).

there is still a world where kuribo is town, but no longer a world where kuribo is a uber-scumlord kill it with fire

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there's a small chance you gambited me with your cop check and kuribo is a full-on IC though.

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I still have suspicions on Grey being scum... if there are no scumreads in the safety pool then it really is a game of "you are the weakest link, goodbye"

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I'm not a kuribo goon.

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implosion only thinks it is free since implosion wants to banish me regardless of what happens

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implosion has already imploded me though...

whether the key cop is a scummy claim or not won't unkill me.

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Merci, Madame!

this post is pointless but it exists anyway

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>not including implosion on that list

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I still think pine was town but w/e

we'll see later in this world which doesn't exist

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Merci, Madame!

Hi ghosts how's your day

green

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I still consider Nightkill 15 to be scum

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I'd much rather vote GE, so he can shoot scum

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Guess whose key cop ability doesn't work like the others.

I have a key cop that works on a key I'm holding. TL has a key cop that works on a key he's holding. Implosion has a key cop that works on any key no matter who is holding it, and can steal a key.

How does yours work?

mine works on any key actually

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Skygazer is now diegazer?

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Banish: Not Known 15

Your time has come.

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btw I was town